/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6585484
>How long you stayed on it?
until 2004, switched to XP so i could store files over 4G in size since i got a dvd drive
>What games did you play on it?
yes
>Did you learned anything from it?
i learned that the word "illegal" doesn't necessarily refer to the law

Definitely played a lot of this on win 98.

>>6585535
>System Memory: 512 MB RAM.
>On a computer from 98
FYI the games people are crying about require 64 MB of ram. Literally 1/4th what Halo and other 2000s games took.

>>6585537
Doesn't matter, it supports win98.

>>6585540
Good luck playing that on a computer that originally came with win98 you butthurt faggot. At least you can play Deus Ex and Hitman on a computer from the 90s.

>>6585543
OP didn't specify the hardware setup. Sorry, go cry about it somewhere else.

>>6585537
>got back on to have another autism attack

>>6585484
I was still playing WoW on it up to like late 2006

I'd get like 12 FPS in Ironforge and 4 FPS in Alterac Valley when the screen was full

>>6585546
OP didn't need to. The board already specified it. It's only one rule, and it's very simple, you should learn it.
>This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.

>>6585554
>still trying this hard
Really hope you don’t get yourself hurt doing that lol

>>6585537
It says 128MB right there, are you blind?

>>6585554
>Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
>platforms
Which 98 is. Sorry, it's retro. Deal with it.

>>6585537
>512
>being this illiterate

>>6585535
Actually, hated it on PC back in the day. It was already a dated game with lazy levels.

Did not seen what the fuss was about and went back to playing games on id tech 3.

>>6585551
I was playing with similar fps till end of LK.
I'm sure it was just our PCs which were pretty dated by then and not the OS which was causing so low fps.

>>6585572
>went back to playing games on id tech 3.
Yep, pick related was one of the best.

>>6585584
You know what else is still technically a game on id tech 3?

https://mega.nz/folder/3t8nzSIS#947kyMN6Z80f8HS7q2XlqA

>>6585591
I mean that's using code from id tech. CoD1 literally runs on id tech3

>>6585598
True, and it can't be run on 98.

>>6585594
Sweet

>>6585484
>How long you stayed on it?
December 1999 to somewhere in summer of 2008 when I finally switched over to XP. I had an episode with XP around 2002 but it sucked on my first PC and I went back to 98 SE.
>What games did you play on it?
Too many to list, but among the most important ones were Heroes of M&M 3, Unreal and Unreal Tournament, Age of Empires 1 and 2, Warcraft 2, Starcraft, C&C Red Alert 1 and 2
>Did you learn anything from it?
How to use DOS because I had to constantly re-install the system. There was a time when certain important files were missing for no apparent reason and the only way to fix this was to set up the system again. Sometimes I had to do this day after day, still I don't know if this was caused by faulty HDD or some kind of virus. And my brother always blamed me for every single crash (huurrrr, I just play games, you mess around the system!!1oneoneleven) and forced me to reinstall the system because he was too dumb to use DOS commands such as DIR, CD or FORMAT.

Also Win98 GUI was fucking kino. When I migrated to WinXP I made the Explorer toolbar look exactly like it was in 98. The nostalgia was strong.

>>6585685
>How to use DOS because I had to constantly re-install the system.
Funny how I too needed to do it, but with ME and XP constantly.
Only when I switched to playing multiplayer games for long period of times and shitposting system became stable.
tl;dr - DRM in games sucked.

>>6585484
>Until XP, I think
>Everquest
>I learned to mock remaining windows 3.1 users, which I now regret.

>>6585484
Last time I used it with any regularity was in 08 where I had a Win98 laptop working as an unapproved wireless router in my dorm room, but I’ve kept at least one Win98 box around at all times for the past 7 years or so.
This was the OS I learned how to computer on. First computer experience was on a C128, then some Apple ][s at school, later a Win3.1 box at home, but under 98 is where I really got my fingers dirty for the first time. Still one of my top 3 windows OSes to this day.

>>6585484
That was my first owned computer. An hp with a pent III in 2007 or 08 when I turned 18. I put many emulators on it, even wonderswan to try to force myself to learn Japanese. The first time I played FF7 was on it too, with epsxe and psxeven to get past the city of the ancients glitch if I recall. I also probably had project64 on it and visualboyadvance. I rememeber emuparadise having bad hacks for gba, "this isn't a gameboy advance" would show up when you tired playing the legacy of goku, that I recall. Fucking new gens. But anyway. I first played the minish cap to completion on it, ironically most gba won't do that for androids to this day. You have to play around to get past the glitch at the end in Vaati's castle that resets to title screen. But anyway, I had lots of emulators and lots of roms I used to bring back to it, as I had no Internet access, with the hacked psp. I got the hacked psp after the win98 though, at first I used cd-roms I bought at a library for 50 cents each to bring back roms and emulators and other things to the thing that I carried in books.

I used to save lots of things on a hacked phat psp I was using as a pda, this was before androids were big and I wished I had a gp2x or something like that. I had lots of homebrew on the psp, and homebrew apps that weren't emulators too. The deadulus was hilariously bad. I couldn't get the x86 emulator to do anything. Had a fake winxp and fake apple II on it. Had a star chart. Lots of things, but mainly played snes on it. I gave both of these away, the win98 and phat hacked psp once I got a netbook, winxp, in 2009ish when I moved.

The first time I used linux , puppy linux on it, back before they changed, it ran on the win98. I wish I could recall how much ram I had. It crashed often. I used to carry puppy linux in a text book to use on locked computers as school randomly just to see if I could. I could. Now days boot menu is locked out I'm sure.

I learned everything I know on it.

>>6585698
I set to classic mode as well.

I hate win7 trying to force that silly 'new' look onto people. I'm tempted to alter it but don't want to break my computer in the process.

>>6585543
>>reee NEW THINGS ARE BETTER

Holy shit stop breathing anytime!

>>6585760
It wasn't win7 that started that new look, it was Vista that had the windows aero crap. Funfact, it was so horrifically unoptimized almost nobody at microsoft could run that shitter of an operating system. There are loads of leaked messages from employees pleading with higher ups that the OS wasn't ready for market. They pushed it out anyway and got sued for lying over the system requirements lol.

>>6585484
The first computer I owned used Win98, it was a hand-me-down from my father, which I used until 2007 or 2008.
Used to play the fuck out of G-Police, Battle for Naboo and some other games that were already a tad older than what most played. I also got introduced to emulation by MAME around that time.

>>6585685
You're a late bloomer. Everybody was on Vista about to go to 7 by then.

>>6585874
Nah, I just had a very crappy PC for a long time. 466 MHz Celeron with 64 megabytes of RAM (don't even remember what kind of RAM) and S3 Savage 4 GPU. Yeah, a card-mounted Celeron well into 2008 - enter the poorfag me who has anti-computer parents.

>>6585810
>90 percent of comments pruned in this thread
Wow. It's still retro hardware so anything goes. Delete the loophole mods. Make a new sticky that bans all newer games on retro consoles such as any homebrew game for snes. Also
>blocks me from replying for over an hour

There's at least six threads that need pruning on top of this.

But @ you now, I meant the classic mode for win7 is shit but winxp's was win9x tier.

I never had one at home myself. At school and at friends' houses I would play games on it. Mostly early Flash games, some emulators. I remember fucking around with Bleemcast with a friend of mine. My first emulator experience was NESticle on the school computers and multiplayer games.

>>6585484
Wowee this thread keeps getting smaller and smaller, but it’s staying at the top of the catalog. Must be a magic thread wow

>>6586028
A jannitor deleted 90 percent of the posts. He's abusing his power at this point.

>>6585810
My comment was pruned but I meant that the classic mode for xp = win9x tier and win7 = not even when in classic mode.

>>6586052
Well it’s probably because he’s one of the retarded shitposting 40 year olds who can’t stand the passage of time.

>>6586057
>homebrew made past retro phase to be played on older hardware
>>that's okay guys
>suddenly this also makes a loophole for win9x to play literally halo
>he gets triggered

He could just delete the thread.

>>6586061
It’s sad really

I was on DOS for the longest time before convincing my dad to install Windows 98 (and 2000 a couple months later).

>cd lemmings.exe

>>6585484
>How long you stayed on it?
I didn’t get my first real computer until 2000, so I was on 98 until the next machine, which was about 2004.
>What games did you play on it?
Worms Armageddon
Unreal Tournament
I was mostly a console kid
>Did you learned anything from it?
I learned C and other programming on it, which is what I do for a career now.

Fuck Halo, what noteworthy japanese games were available for W98? Besides Konami's MGS2 and SH2.

>>6586147
Halo

>>6586069
>cd
>program

>>6586152
dude that's ruff
i think you're barking up the wrong tree
how about you fetch another answer

>>6586158
I’m not too worried about it, you’re all bark anon

>>6586147
Add the first MGS and SH3 as well. Besides that, there was also FF7 and 8, Megaman Legends, RE 1, 2, and 3, Dino Crisis 1 and 2, and Panzer Dragoon.

>>6586165
All is great mainstream games.
Anything else? What about RPGs except FFs?

>>6586172
When it comes to more mainstream games, Breath of Fire IV is the only other one I can think of right now (well, there's also Atelier Marie, but there isn't an English version available). Probably way more if you're willing to look at doujin and ero games, like Lightning Warrior Raidy.
I should also mention Yoot Tower, the sequel to The Tower (or SimTower, as it was known outside of Japan). It's a simulation game similar to SimCity where you manage a skyscraper, it's pretty neat.

>>6585484
>What games did you play on it?
halo

>>6586147
Due to emulators lots were.

>>6585484
Late May 1998 (review/press copy) to late February 2000.

Meanwhile I used NT 4.0 from 1996 all the way to mid 2000, but that system was not intended for gaming.

>>6586065
Sad is not the word.

>>6586202
Based, fellow sixthy

Windows 98 was technically the first OS I've ever used as we had a family PC.

>How long you stayed on it?
We had it until 2005, when we switched to XP. Though I still sometimes used it until 2007 or so.
>What games did you play on it?
Probably a lot of Humungus Entertainment titles, I was pretty young in the early 2000s.
>Did you learned anything from it?
I learned that I liked working with computers at an early age, messing around with settings and screensavers (the Aquarium and Maze were the best screensavers, oh and the pipes too)

>he's still pruning it
Admirable, but wasted.

>>6586283
being a janny is like gardening, there's a lot of pruning, sometimes you get your hands dirty, sometimes you get all sweaty, and sometimes you get a funny rash that you don't remember where it came from.

>>6586228
I'm interested specifically in native ports, I want to know if I missed something back then.

>>6586165
Is it still possible to play MGS, RE 1, 2 & 3 on Windows 10? If so, how?

>>6585484
Win98 was on my first computer to have internet, and so it was the first computer I actually took a serious interest in. I'd once had an old mistreated Tandy running 3.1 back when I was in Kindergarten, but that was several years earlier and wasn't the same. Windows 98 crashed a lot but I have a lot of good memories on it of more than just video games.
>How long you stayed on it?
Four years, maybe five.
>What games did you play on it?
Mechwarrior 2, Graal Online, Fighter Ace 2, SubSpace, Cybertown. Lots of the Internet Gaming Zone (later MSN Zone) games. Also, I played an absolute ton of ZSNES and NESticle.
>Did you learned anything from it?
Pretty much everything I first learned about computers and the internet, I first saw while on Windows 98. And I learned patience; I used to live in a rural area, and so I had to deal with 56k until 2007. YouTube and Web 2.0 and all that other shit was already bumping by that point.

>>6586296
It's not something I've tried to do, but the PCGamingWiki is great for fixes and fanpatches for old games.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Resident_Evil
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid:_Integral

>>6585484
at school ? all the way till graduation in 2002, though by then the school lent me an exclusive win2000 machine for project work. at home, i used it till 2004 i think, then it died and i got a 2nd hand WinME machine... which is still alive.

>>6586379
>WinME machine... which is still alive.
The only way WinME will be alive today is - you just did not power on it once, and keeps it as some junk.

>>6585760
i did it for Win7 too until i realised vsync doesn't work UNLESS i turned on desktop composition AND use an Aero theme. that's so bullshit.
if i tried to turn on desktop composition with classic theme, desktop composition automatically turns itself off when i leave the settings...

>>6586382
i bought a WinXP rig soon after so it didn't see that much use. it still works but the parts inside are all rusty because tropical weather next to the SEA. i'm still surprised it outlived TWO WinXP machines.

>>6585484
>What games did you play on it?
pic related

>>6586382
WinME wasn’t as bad as everyone claims it to be. It wasn’t great, but it only super sucked on underpowered machines with spotty driver support. I.e. every big box PC that shipped with ME installed, hence the meme.
It still sucks compared to 98se, and killing off DOS mode while still running on top of DOS was straight up retarded, but on the whole it wasn’t THAT bad.

>>6586409
I don't need any meme to remember how I reinstalled that shit every week and sometimes even every day.

Man, the janny sure has a hateboner for Halo. Stay obsessed my dude.

Also Max Payne is best Win98 game.

I used 98 exclusively until about 2007. I still have an old ThinkPad with it installed, suffices well as an old gaming machine.

>>6585594
thanks, senpai. but you really should have removed the "CDPath=" from the INI config file from the Deus Ex 7zip....

I'm trying to remember the name of a mining game we played in school. Each level was a cave of sorts, entirely visible from the start, with diamonds and other minerals distributed in random ways among lumps of soil, and your job as the miner was to get as many minerals as possible without being killed by one of the beasts trapped in certain parts, which could be let loose if you weren't careful with your mining.
I looked for "90s mining game" but couldn't find what I was looking for.

>>6586416
>another fucking protection error??
>98 startup disk
>format c:
>e:
>setup
Oh believe me, I know that pain, but just for shits and giggles I’ve managed to build a stable ME rig once or twice in the 20 years since it’s been relevant.

>>6585484
>How long you stayed on it?
It was our first Windows OS in our home from December 1999 until January 2002 when Dad listened to the "tech" guy at work that encouraged him to upgrade to Windows ME and did it for him. Thankfully, a year later, after I had accidentally sabotaged our PC video driver trying to switch out video driver to get Max Payne to work, a family friend tech guy who actually knew his shit, fixed the issue and got us up to Windows XP in no time.
>What games did you play on it?
Quake III Arena was our first PC game that was copied for us by my brother's friend along with Half-Life + Counter-Strike not too long after. I also played the Army Men games, The Sims + Hot Date and the pet expansion packs, Diablo I & II, RollerCoaster Tycoon, and Age of Empires II.
>Did you learned anything from it?
AOL was terrible pretty early-on, there were funny sites, and there was a way to get music for free. Mainly just used it to play games and for Napters mainly. It wasn't until I got into retro gaming and found gamefaqs mid-02 that I rarely got into PC stuff.

>>6586351
Okay, thanks.

>post deleted
Um no, it runs on 98, it's retro.

>>6586557
stop deleting your own posts.
a mod would never do such a thing

>>6586153
I knew something was wrong as soon as I posted it. My bad, it's been too long.

>>6586571
>cd lemmings
>lemmings
Is probably it

>>6586565
Not him, but https://archived.moe/vr/thread/6585484/#6586557

And ponder.

At least the mods realised they can't keep getting away with shutting down Win98 threads. But deleting posts about Win98 games within the thread is pretty dumb.

>>6585484
>How long you stayed on it?
I stayed on 98/ME as long as I could.
I tried XP near launch and was pretty with the new aesthetic but also fucking horrible, nothing worked and the performance of the system dropped like a rock.
It wasn't until I had a vastly beefier pc and some games that couldn't run on ME that I "upgraded" to XP.

>What games did you play on it?
Too many to remember.
but Jazz Jackrabbit 2 is still the first I remember whenever someone says Windows.

>Did you learned anything from it?
I learned a bunch, so much that I had no problems at all with ME and now I work at IT.

desuarchive.org/vr/thread/6585484

archived.moe/vr/thread/6585484

>>6586817
>schizos keeps deleting their own posts
>SEE??? NAZI MODS ARE ATTACKIN USSSSSSSS!!!!!!
take your meds

>>6586831
Look at that thread carefully and you'll see a shotted web of someone showing off their ban warn in this very thread.

It's a janny mass mute bloxxing and trying to get anyone he doesn't like banned. He's kept the thread up to foolishly assume that new tier users that would post about win98 stuff can't delete their cookies nor reset their routers to change IP. This thread is his honeypot.

>>6586765
>I tried XP near launch and was pretty with the new aesthetic but also fucking horrible, nothing worked and the performance of the system dropped like a rock.
a lot of Win98/95 games won't work on XP because of missing DLLs and whatnots. and probably because they drop Directdraw support. As for performance, XP is bloated yes. But you can make it run faster by switching back to to the classic Win2000-ish theme.

>>6586831
He must have removed it too quick I guess. It actually isn't there.

Yes, I learned that I could change the sound Windows made when I opened a folder and even use custom sound clips, so I recorded myself farting into the micro and use that.
Every time my dad opened his work folder the PC would fart and I'd die. I think I was like 6-7 years old.

>>6586876
>farting into the microphone
what the hell did you guys have a microphone peripheral for back then lol

>>6586876
i still use the soundclips from the old Master Of Magic Theme for Win98...

>>6586916
i never got a mic until i used one for a school project back in 2002 or 2001.

>>6586857
nah, XP was the same as Vista and 8.
at launch were terrible in general but thing were ironed out with time.
it's always the same, devs need time to understand how new systems work. even Vista and 8 are solid OS's right now.
but for some reason the general public has a very good view of XP despite suffering the same as the others.
same goes for ME.
after trying XP I installed ME because everything worked like in 98 and contained some of the QOL changes of XP, it is great right now. my current retro pc has ME installed (dualboot with DOS 7.1) and it just works.

>>6586917
what else do you do anon

>>6586920
yeah alright, was gonna say I don't think that's something most people really needed/had unless they did audio

>>6586461
Can anyone help me?

>>6586932
>>6586920
The fuck? Mics were cheap and every idiot with a cheap Soundblaster card in the early 90s could plug one in. Fucking Zoomers.

>>6586949
did you read the post at all?
>don't think that's something people really NEEDED/HAD
why the fuck would that imply I thought they were 'hard to plug in'

>>6586960
1. Mics are cheap, especially consoomer mics.
2. Every PC with shitty Soundblaster had the ability to record audio

Fucking retarded kiddies

>>6586970
most people had absolutely no use for them unless they did amateur recording lmao

>>6586971
You are retarded, fuck off kid.

>>6586972
>no argument
>lashes out at the white man instead
you really hate to see it, folks

>>6586973
You are retarded, fuck off kid.

>>6586976
oh no he's stuck lol

>>6586981
Fuck off spic

>>6586982
you really, really hate to see it folks

>>6586876

OMG you are SO special and quirky

>>6586987
who pulled your chain, gen6kun?

>>6585760
Got worse with 8 and 10 doing away with the start button.

For me, its pic related.

>>6587019
Amateurs

>>6585484
>How long you stayed on it?
Until 2008 when i finally replaced my 166 mHz Pentium 1.
>What games did you play on it?
Duke 3D, Quake 1, Blood, Fallout 1/2, NFS1, Wing Commander Prophecy, G-Nome, Have a N.I.C.E. day (had fun remembering that in the /vr/ racing thread), GTA 1, Red Alert (in skirmish because it was on bootleg compilation and lacked the campaign), Warcraft II. Played the shit out of Total Destruction, Terminator Skynet, Titanic: adventure out of time. I also had Constructor, that Aliens adventure game, and some obscure RTS titles. Most of those came from the pawn shop nearby and i usually took whatever fitted my system, without paying much attention to genres.
>Did you learned anything from it?
I learned to always check the .ini files of any game for fine tuning it. Made a lot of cool units for Red Alert that way with rules.ini - napalm launchers, autocannons, etc.

>>6587041
>2008
>Pentium 1
Are you from Brazil?!

>>6585698
I did that too. Stayed on it up until Windows 7 because fuck the farts&whistles they try to add every single goddamn time.

>>6587046
I wouldn't be surprised if 60% of posters here are from Brazil and Russia

The metro screen is a retarded replacement for the start button, but it's godly in combination with a replacement start button.
Pressing the windows key and having all of your software one click away is great.

>>6587005
>win10 has no start button
I shalt not go past win7 if true.

I had it in 1998. Dad, genius that he was, wrecked our Gateway Windows 95 machine with malware from porn sites, and then accused me of clogging up the system with too many games, and in an effort to delete them "without going through your lies" or something, he literally deletes System32.

When he took it to his "guy who knows computers" (why do boomers have guys for everything? Seems kinda gay) he had Dad bring me in so we could laugh at him together. He beat the shit out of me for it when we got home with our Win98 machine.

>>6587070
>why do boomers have guys for everything? Seems kinda gay
Imagine being a socially inept Millennial without a network of contacts

>>6587075
Imagine not being truly independent.

>>6587060
https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu

>>6587068
Win10 brought it back, and also got rid of Metro.

>>6587081
>not having a community to fall back on when your own efforts don't work
>"independent"

>>6585698
>>6585760
>>6586390
Ayyy Classic chads on deck

Once this Win 7 laptop dies, I'm moving to Linux. Win 8-10 just seems like utter dog shit.

>>6587081
You are not independent, you are a sperg without friends.

>>6585698
I always used the classic theme until I finally moved to 10. Though even now I use the classic start menu. Some people say the grey blocky look is depressing, but to me it's very utilitarian and professional looking.

>>6587070
Fuck being "that guy" when home computers first started getting popular among the kids.

>accidentally click on realplayer
>might as well push the reset button because it's much quicker than waiting the realplayer to launch and then manually close it

>>6587174
>installing realplayer
>ever

>>6587181
Where else are you going to watch grainy 10 second music video clips?

>>6587191
IDK, not with that disastrous piece of ass fudge.

>>6587075
>>6587091
>>6587115
>>He beat the shit out of me for it

Why would you want to 'rely' on normalfaggots?

Not him by the way. Just thought the whole 'independence' thing is super illogical of which it is. Literally you're relying on rape culture.

>>6587081
Is that a TAM?

>>6587046
I mistyped 2006.
I am from Russia.

>>6587191
On TikTok.

>>6586571
>My bad, it's been too long.
The syntax is the same as on modern Windows. You never use cmd/powershell? It can be surprisingly useful.

>>6585484
>How long you stayed on it?
Until 2002 when I switched to Windows 2000. I probably stayed on that for until 2006 or so when I finally moved to a very mature Windows XP. Didn't move to Windows 7 until 2011, and didn't switch from that until this year when I finally moved to windows 10.

>What games did you play on it?

Unreal Tournament, Quake 3, Neverwinter Nights, Diablo 2, Morrowind... Lots of great memories of Win 98 gaming.

>Did you learned anything from it?

'How to use a computer'. My Win 98 PC was the first computer that was completely mine that nobody else in my family touched. I put it together, I installed everything, I unfucked its problems. Pretty much everything I know about about Windows - the registry, services, etc, I learned the basics of on Win 98.

It's a little sad that every version of Windows gets easier and easier to use and more rigorously idiot-proofed. I'm sure plenty of kids never really get an opportunity to get interested in the inner workings of a computer these days because they can usually expect a button to unfuck most problems for them.

>>6585685
lmao I had to reinstall windows constantly on my parents HP pavilion desktop.

>>6587206
I want to preface this with "I am an SJW that would unironically say rape culture in the correct context:"
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>6587056
How did dogadalsya?

>>6587218
>looks up TAM

Yes. In Serial Experiments Lain she is on a fantasy version of Macintosh called Copland that MIGHT have came out but never did in real life. Thanks for letting me know what they modeled her fantasy Mac on anon.

>>6586987
That was uncalled for.

>>6587250
>doesn't understand the circle of tyranny

It's almost human...

>>6587276
>fantasy version of Macintosh called Copland
copland is the codename of a real version of mac os, it was the replacement for system 7, but it was scrapped and we just got a minor update of mac os 8 instead
of course, in the anime it's portrayed as some fantastic holographic thing, which it certainly wasn't in real life

>>6587151
i still hate it, but whatever, i only use windows for work nowadays anyway, so i thankfully don't need to interact with windows itself all that much

>>6587276
Still getting a good laugh about the massive the CrApple faggotry in Lain, just like when I first watched it 20 years ago. That was the time when PC DEFINITELY started to overtake Macs for creative applications like digital illustration, video and 3D...and a few years later it was only the Mac hipsters desperately defending their $5000 paperweights.

>>6587951
Already started in the late 1990s regardless of what macfags say.

Mac: good for art and video
PC: good for everything else*

*including art and video

>>6587206
>Rape Culture
Rape culture is a myth

>>6587985
Rape culture doesn't mean that there's a secret men school where you learn the best methods for rape or a rape license or any dumb shit like that, it just means society has excuses like "she was asking for it." That's it. You faggots use this word so much it's lost all meaning and you don't even know that.
I don't remember 98 that well, as a kid I thought it was just a souped up version of Windows 95.

>>6587985
This

>>6587274
Não faço ideia

>>6585484
2004.

Diablo 1 and 2, Command and Conquer/Red Alert/Tiberian Sun, Sim City 2000, Warcraft 2, TIE Fighter, Duke Nukem 3D, Random Freeware.

Clair De Lune doesn't sound too bad as a midi.

Never had 98. Went from 98 to ME. What did I miss out on?

>>6588340
95 to ME*

>>6588340
>>6588346
Win98SE was supposed to be more stable than ME, but i never had it. i only have Win98 first edition, only had dialup webz and no idea how to get an official upgrade and whatnots. ME was more stable than 98FE in my experience. but well, DOS games don't work in ME.

>>6586924
i also used the mouse icons for Dune and MOM theme, but they were too ugly even for my nostalgia so i switched back to vanilla mouse icons.

>>6586949
zoomers? i'm gen X. and by the time i had a PII machine, sound chips were already integrated and i didn't need a soundblaster to record stuff. maybe you're the zoomer hipster talking shit you don't understand.

>>6585484
I've never used it. I sat on win95 and then jump up to win2000.
Yeah, it was truly retarded.

>>6588498
ME was supposed to be more stable than 98SE
ME was quite similar to 98SE, but had some changes, such as;
- introduced zip folders
- introduced system restore
- windows 2000 theme/icons
- new driver model
- hides/disables some of the DOS integration for stability reasons

windows me being an unstable mess is a bit of a myth, which comes down to two things
a. it came out after 2000, and 2000 is much more stable, since it's NT-based, so ME seems like a step back next to 2000, but compared to 98SE it's better
b. the driver model changes meant it worked best with drivers desgined for ME, in many cases, ME issues are a result of using 95/98 drivers with ME

>>6586916
>zoomies will never understand the ecstatic joy of making pic related mimic your high-pitched profanity and fart noises on your 286 in 1992.

>>6588578
>introduced zip folders
shell-integrated zip support first appeared in 98 Plus!
>new driver model
WDM? That's been around since 98FE (WDM for sound cards debuted in 98SE). Are you thinking of the networking stack that was borrowed from 2K?
Also why no mention of the native USB mass storage support?

>>6588776
>shell-integrated zip support first appeared in 98 Plus!
only counting ootb windows features
>why no mention of the native USB mass storage support?
damn it's been a while, that's usually the first thing i mention

honestly i don't know what about the driver model they changed in ME from 98SE, all i know is that the OS is fine if you use drivers made with ME in mind

>>6588025
You can literally ruin someone's life by accusing them of being a rapist without any evidence, that's how seriously our society takes rape. If we were living in a "rape culture", people wouldn't react so emotionally and violently over mere implications of rape. There are places and cultures in the less developed parts of our world that could actually count as rape cultures, but many people believe in the noble savage myth and refuse to acknowledge these troubled parts of the world.

Speaking of Win98, the native MsDOS support/base was great. All of the old games would run just fine without any extra work. There are so many Windows 95 & 98 games that simply refuse to run on modern systems, that's why most of the classic "Windows games" being sold on GOG are the MsDOS versions. Phantasmagoria, Phantasmagoria 2, pretty much all the FMV games. Someone should come up with DosBox equivalent for Windows.

>>6588025
"rape culture" suggests that rape is accepted or encouraged, which it isn't in any part of the developed world
the only arguments that i've seen for it are from people who are surprised when their allegations aren't automatically taken as fact, sorry, but saying this person raped you doesn't mean i should take your word for it, and giving someone the benefit of the doubt doesn't make me part of a rape culture

My family pretty much skipped Win 95*; we went straight from WfW 3.11 to 98FE around the week it was released to retail. Overall, I think it was the worst Windows experience I've ever been through. The family PC in question:
- Gateway 2000 desktop built circa late '94
- 90 MHz Pentium
- 16 MB RAM
- 2x CD-ROM drive
- ~700MB hard drive
- 1~4 GB hard drive (can't remember the exact size, but I remember it needed EZ-Drive DDO in order for it to be useable)
- can't remember the video card, maybe an S3 of some kind?
- can't remember the sound card either, maybe something from Ensoniq
- 28.8K modem
Anyway, my dad (bless his heart) bought the upgrade edition of 98FE right when it came out, and pretty much slapped it on top of that 3.11 install that had been on that computer for nearly four years at that point. My god, it was slow! Slower than pig shit in winter slow. If you're aware of the minimum requirements for 98, then you'll know this computer barely met them. But that's not all!
Because of whatever version of EZ-Drive that was installed on one of the hard drives, it would constantly present itself as a yellow exclamation point in the Device Manager. As a consequence, both drives always fell-back to MS-DOS compatibility mode, which paired up with just those 16 megs of RAM made it disgustingly unresponsive. My dad was never able to figure out how to solve that problem in a way that wouldn't involve blowing everything away and installing 98 from scratch (which he never did because 1. upgrade copy and 2. couldn't find the original restore disc for 3.11). He eventually bumped up the RAM to 48 MB, which alleviated some of the sluggishness.
(1/2)

(2/2)
The thing crashed frequently, too. Some programs that worked fine in DOS & 3.11 failed to launch in 98. Since we had dial-up, the machine never got patches and updates, so throughout the rest of its miserable little life it was affected by the infamous CON\CON, fast shutdown, and 49.7 day uptime bugs (not like it would actually make it to 49 days without it locking up on day 1).
I used that PC for about two years before dumping it on my younger sister and getting a Dell desktop that probably was an order of magnitude faster in every spec. It felt like a breath of fresh air despite it shipping with WinME (which, aside from a botched network card installation, I never had any problems with it).
So yeah, that's my experience with using 98, and it definitely was a tarnished one. I did learn a few things about hardware upgrades when my dad replaced certain things like the RAM and processor. It was probably the first Windows OS where I learned how to do file management and file system navigation on my own. I definitely played games on that thing such as Simcity 2000 and Simcopter, plus some edutainment games (Super Solvers games, Mathblaster, Magic School bus) from the leftover 3.11 install still worked.

Sorry for long-winded blogpost.
*Actually the 95 thing is a lie. My dad got his first laptop as a birthday present which came preloaded with 95C. I don't really count it as using 95 overall because,
- it had that IE shell installed, which made the interface just like 98 (honestly I had no idea how different the original 95 shell looked until I installed a torrented copy on a VM about a decade later for shits and giggles)
- my dad only had it for about a month before upgrading it to 98 as well (perks of having no product activation in windows)

>>6588510
Take your brain medication gramps, you're babbling again.

I'm pretty close to proceeding with my Windows 9x project PC.

Probably going to sport a 1 GHz Pentium III and 512 MB of RAM. The motherboard I'm looking at has an AGP slot, four PCI slots, and 3 ISA slots.

>>6589094
What graphics card are you planning on running in it? Gonna rock a PCI and ISA soundcard setup, or just an ISA soundcard?
512 isn't especially necessary for a Win9x system, but it'll make everything nice and zippy.

Indeed

>>6589096
The suggestion I saw was the GeForce 6800 Ultra, which is apparently the equivalent of a Quadro FX 4400.

The 512 MB of RAM comes with the board I'm looking to get.

>>6589096
Oh, and the sound card is probably going to be ISA. Apparently PCI sound cards aren't the most compatible with Windows 9x. That's one area I haven't dug deep on as of yet.

>>6589102
That's a pretty nice card, but I personally wouldn't bother with it for a strictly 9x system. Sure, you can use it in Win98, but there are some graphical features that were phased out in that generation of cards. A GeForce 4200/4400/4600 Ti, or a high end GeForce FX, like an FX 5900, is going to be your best bet if you want an all rounder that'll be good for practically anything compatible with Win98.

>>6589103
PCI soundcards are fine for Win98, some of them are great even, like the Sound Blaster Live! or Aureal Vortex 2 (though for the Vortex 2 you may want something faster than 1GHz)
It's DOS where PCI soundcards aren't so great. The Vortex (and maybe the Live! as well, not so sure) have decent Sound Blaster Pro compatibility, but they sound terrible. If you want the best compatibility, you should go with one of those cards along with an ISA card. I like to recommend the ESS AudioDrive, since it's cheap and has an almost spot on OPL3 clone, plus it has bug-free Wave Blaster compatibility, if you decide you want to use a MIDI daughter board on the card for DOS stuff.

>>6589103
PCI sound cards will work just fine in Windows, it’s under DOS where they become a pain in the ass. Check out Phil’s Computer Lab on youtube, he’s done an excessive amount of research and documentation on the subject.

>>6589118
>some graphical features that were phased out in that generation of cards
What features? I have AGP version of 6800 with 128MB I think, is that good?

>>6589146
The big ones are Table Fog and 8-bit Paletted Textures. Table Fog was used to render fog in a lot of titles up to 2000, some titles that it really makes a difference would be Thief II, Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear, and Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire. FF7 and 8 are the only big games where Pallated Textures are kind of a big deal, but there were quite a few games that used them in some way.
There are also several lighting and shadow rendering features that were really only featured on the 4XXX Ti series of cards, and partially on the FX series, but Splinter Cell 1 is the only game that I can think of that takes advantage of those.
That's still a nice card to have, but the entire GeForce 6 series phased out those features.

3 long, long years

>>6587232
Also because of mysteriously missing files?

>>6586295
>native ports
>invariably missing full controller support (force feedback and/or analog), shaders and effects (see: GTA VC or your very own pic related, and those 'good' ports for the time)
Don't bother. Just emulate unless the game can be fixed with 20 fan patches, if that's worth it to you.

>>6586147
RE2 and 3's ports weren't fucked up if I recall. Doubt they have force feedback, though.

>>6588578
ME was fucking garbage.

>>6589163
So, emulation. Or original hardware maybe.
If we talking about PCSX2 then what else notable I can emulate there?

>>6589206
are you saying this from personal experience? because i used it for years and has less problems with it than i did with 98SE

>>6589208
You're gonna want a CPU with a lot of cores and hyperthreading if you're going to dive into PS2 emulation. Some games are fine on a Quad Core, and some games chug like hell.

How do I run this on Win98?

>>6589216
I'll figure it out.
More importantly what games you would recommend to check out?

>>6585484
Until 2003, when my modem broke down and the replacement was non-compatible with Win98. Year later I switched to a new PC and stayed with XP... pretty much to this day The first XP PC lasted me to '08, when I replaced it with a new one and that one is running to this day as a back-up/secondary which I frequently use to various purposes, but from '18 onward things get wonky due to various things being waaaay out of date when I try to get new stuff or just surf the net
And as far as I know, the server of my local network is on 98, so go fucking figure.

>>6589218
You'll need a fan patch, plus a system that would be a waste to run Win98 on.

>>6589220
Ratchet & Clank, the Atelier games, Lupin the 3rd, Mister Mosquito, Shadow Hearts, Viewtiful Joe, The Warriors, Yakuza, Destroy All Humans, Evil Dead: Regeneration, Disgaea, Killer 7, Sly Cooper, Graffiti Kingdom, Dark Cloud 2, Stretch Panic, Okami, Samurai Western, Spy Fiction, WinBack, Fatal Frame, Haunting Ground, Katamari Damacy, Gregory Horror Show, Michigan: Report From Hell.
Several of the Simple 2000 line of games are also worth looking at, and many of them had English releases in Europe. I like Zombie Hunters (which is the English title for Oneechanbara), Demolition Girl, Zombie Virus, Splatter Master, Monster Attack, and Global Defence Force.

>it's a low key 6th gen episode
6th should be retro

>>6589249
>Haunting Ground
A nice choice, just beated it a couple of years ago after it punched my shit when I was younger.
It was very fun to watch how mad is this incest-rape-house.

>>6588578
Oh boy, 98 but with improvements you can put in yourself, with hoops to jump through for proper DOS support. Fucking pass.

>>6588835
>>6587985
>>6588025
>>6588857

Our society isn't consensual. Making rape about sex is feminist as fuck.

There are basically two sexes and feminists like to make things about just one of them.


Our society doesn't respect itself is the whole point of the REAL rape culture.

>>6589257
>three video game boards
>one is generals of which generals is always cancer for board culture

>/vr/=actual retro
>vg should be /vi/=intermediate retro eg gba but not wii nor wii u+
>v=zoomer central

>>6586147
i remember some arcade lightgun games had Win98 ports, but they work with mouse controls. Like Biohazard.
Virutal Fighter 1 also had a good port. don't remember anything else.

>>6589257
How? 98’s heyday was from 1998 until late 2001 when XP was released. Sure DC was around, but the PS2 was in its infancy and the og xbox hadn’t even come out yet. Sounds pretty 5th gen to me.

>>6589212

Not this guy, but I simply skipped ME since 2k was already out at this point, being a more than worthy replacement for my aging NT 4.0.

>>6589257
4th and 6th gen are the best two anyway. PC stuff during the 5th gen is great too.

>>6586302
>that wallpaper.
looking back, i wonder why they made a wallpaper that showed fucking vaccum tubes, in an era where they were long dead(except for the usual audiophile nonsense and musuem stuff).

>>6588340
Nothing. As far as running native Windows apps went, ME was just like 98. It just sucked at DOS unmodified.

>>6589270
Well, it's Windows 98.
You can try to remember anything with support for it or patches for it to make games work. Surely, there should be plenty games around with those fixes.

>>6587102
I'll be using lubuntu lxde and lakka myself in case lubuntu emulation confuses me or glitches or something. Installing from the tar is silly an idea. Unfortunately lakka won't include the bios of psx, of which is hyper-gay. I figure maybe, maybe there's an easier way around than then using two computers to alter it (neets would care about this) but I'm a baka that's not motivated. Maybe you can copy and paste it but the creators don't make it seem that way.

Linux's Internet cultism is annoying as fuck. Network craving autism.

>>6589274
It was made for people who had never actually looked inside of their computer.

>>6589280
Nevermind that looks too crisp. Something else that's lxde.

>>6589249
Should I know anything before going into this?
Gameplay tips? Or maybe some fixes?

>>6589284
Clock Tower 3? I've never actually played that. Been meaning to at some point though.
Apparently it runs fine even on a Core 2 Duo, so I don't think there's much you need to worry about. There's a widescreen hack if that's your kind of thing, but other than that, it should just work.
I don't usually use PCSX2 too often myself, I have a phat PS2 with FreeMCBoot and an HDD that I load games off of.

>>6589301
>Been meaning to at some point though.
Well, I'm too trying to allot some time for it, but it keeps to go further in backlog.
It's premise with rapers out for mahou-shoujos seems very fun, I need to try it already.
>I don't usually use PCSX2 too often myself, I have a phat PS2 with FreeMCBoot and an HDD that I load games off of.
A great thing to have!

>>6589273
if i was older and used my computer mostly for things other than games, i would have as well, but while i had tried 2000 and knew it was better than both 98SE and ME, it also didn't run many of my older DOS games, so ME it was, even at the time i knew it was a compromise. all i'm arguing is that i used both 98SE and ME extensively, and found ME to be at a bare minimum, no worse than 98SE, and certainly not the trash heap it's made out to be

>>6588835
>Someone should come up with DosBox equivalent for Windows.
I thought that was what WINE and Windows Virtual PC was for?

Didn't realise WVPC is freeware now. Well, it doesn't work with Win10 and it was made for networking stuff with old corporate machines, not really for gaming.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Virtual_PC#Windows_Virtual_PC

Otherwise there's nGlide, which ain't a virtualising thing but it helps with a lot of Win95/98 games that were made for Voodoo GPUs.
http://www.zeus-software.com/downloads/nglide/compatibility

>>6588835
Dosbox itself is just fine for 3.1 (though 99% of 3.1 stuff is fine in 9x). PCem for 98. VMware for XP.

>>6589318
There's PCem, which is actually an emulator, rather than virtualization. On the plus side, it runs pretty great if you have a powerful enough system. Last time I used it though, fastest system you could emulate was a Pentium MMX 233 with an SLI Voodoo 2 setup, and the best soundcard you can use is a Sound Blaster AWE32.

>>6589280
>Unfortunately lakka won't include the bios of psx, of which is hyper-gay.
just download it by itself??? unless your ubuntu variant can't download/extract anything that isn't verified or can't open zip/7zip files for some insane SECURITY reason.

>>6589280
>Linux's Internet cultism is annoying as fuck.
you're just looking in the wrong places, first timers and/or kids using linux are obnoxious as fuck, as are any group who think they're the only one using something
i used to be the same, laughing at windows users even though i'd only used linux for a couple years, that and i was 14, ugh, it's painful to even think about

you can just install retroarch on lubuntu, no need for a special distro unless it's a single-use machine. no emulators ship with bios images because it's illegal to do so, finding them is not hard, just throw them in retroarch's system folder and you're good to go

>>6589326
That's fine for anything that was really supposed to run on 98 in its era. VMware'd XP/dgvoodoo's fine for anything more demanding

>>6589284
die like a little bitch and scream. then check a walkthrough 'cause you keep dying?

>>6589339
It depends if dying in this game are fun. Like, if it's a rape-simulator then it has some funny deaths, right?

>>6589334
>no emulators ship with bios images because it's illegal to do so
most ePSXe downloads i found came with BIOS files. at least those that i remember linking from dead emuparadise...

My only problem with PCem and VMware is that its frame pacing and vsyncing sucks ass. Anything that has so move smoothly, like Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure is just kinda gross on it. That's at least sorted out in Dosbox.

>>6589346
sure you'll find bundles on rom sites... they're rom sites.. they also host roms of games, which is equally as illegal
you won't find emulates with bios's bundled in from the actual developers or first party websites
even epsxe, the official website does not offer bios downloads, and never has
https://www.epsxe.com/help.php?step=step01
>2) You must to have a PSX bios, which you may only be in possession if you're legally entitled to. You can dump your PSX bios, using a gameshark or a action replay, or you can download it from some internet webpage. Sorry, we can't give it.

>>6588025
t.Dumb brainwashed Social Justice Incel

>>6589218
What game is that?

>>6587102
Win8 AFAIK seems to have better /vr/ compatibility than Win10, but maybe it got better. The dumbed down cellphone Metro UI is still terrible though.

>>6589363
hmm, i'm going to go with doom3

>>6589378
There's a DOOM 3 demake mod that makes it run on potatoe /vr/ machines.

>>6589327
You don't get it.
>computer dies
>get new computer with no os
>put os on it
>it doesn't have the bios
>go into os settings to choose
>that doesn't work
>options: [cry] [use second computer to add bios to lakka]

>>6589334
No. The tar is the issue. Assume there's no network of any kind and you're just sitting there with one computer and then flash drives.

>no emulators ship with bios

They generally all do. Sometimes not gba or psx though, but that's not he issue. You can't choose it. It forces you to get on the network, at least according to lakka guides, and to add it through more than one computer simultaneously. Both shown methods force either access through directly one computer to the lakka one, remote control, or remote control through the internet from your two computers. It's linux users forcing people onto a network. They hate installing from random drives. They want people to communicate. It's why windows is the best.

>>6589378
Are you seriously needed to google it?

>>6589381
straight to defence even though i never suggested it shouldn't be allowed here. ok.

>>6589386
no.. i'm telling him to google it
was my post really that confusing?

>>6589378
>Google
I don't use it due to privacy issues.

>>6589375
If it does, it's negligible at best. Win7's support for legacy directx/show and being able to turn off DWM puts it far ahead of 8/10 as far as backwards compatibility goes. If you insist on using 8/10 just install VMware and PCem immediately. You're gonna need'em.

>>6589416
that's nice, dear
i prefer yandex anyway, much better results

>>6589405
>no.. i'm telling him to google it
Not really feeling it, no.
Just making that screenshot seemed like a lot of extra unnecessary work.

>>6589424
>Just making that screenshot seemed like a lot of extra unnecessary work.
it's really not that difficult

>>6589425
I know, but your point was almost missed.

>>6589427
some people just can't be helped

>>6587102
>Win 8-10 just seems like utter dog shit.

It is anon. It is. But so is linux. I have mint on a system hooked to my tv and the package management system was hosed right out of the box.

>>6589383
>You can't choose it. It forces you to get on the network, at least according to lakka guides, and to add it through more than one computer simultaneously. Both shown methods force either access through directly one computer to the lakka one, remote control, or remote control through the internet from your two computers. It's linux users forcing people onto a network. They hate installing from random drives. They want people to communicate.

well that's lame. at least it works? loonix tends to give black screens of death if they can't find a device driver that works with your GPU/Motherboard/etc. and device drivers are the major weakness for loonix variants.
>windows best
i guess if you're a single player fag like me.

The real lame about lakka is that for win32 it cant' do n64. So, if you were on a computer, a single one, and it were a 32bit one, then you'd end up not having either of those emulators.

Then again maybe psx you can really copy and paste it into the installed flash drive you'd presumably be using, but I don't know if it lets you. You'd figure the website would say that you could install it to a drive then use a single comptuer to paste it in.

But, win32 can actually do project 64, so windows wins again for that reason.

>>6589567
meant for >>6589514


obviously

>>6589567
>>6589573
>captcha distracting me so much fucked it up this bad

*64 bit

*32 bit not win32

etc

>>6589567
i've never heard of lakka, but there's no technical reason why it couldn't have a 32bit n64 emulator

>>6585484
I got a new PC when XP came out and stayed on XP until 2009/2010. I loved XP.

98 was good and I have good memories but my computer was so slow. Neopets was fun.

>>6586970
I never got my first mic until 2006. It was like a 60$ peripheral and I think my webcam in 2005 had a mic attached to it but it was super shitty. 2006 is when I started making Flash animations using a mic so that's what I'm basing this on. My friend had a mic in 2003 and it was so bad it could barely pic up what we were saying and it was the size of a regular microphone. I think his parents paid over 100$ for it so I'm not sure if it just sucked or was broken.

>>6585510
>i learned that the word "illegal" doesn't necessarily refer to the law
/g/ here. You've been nominated for our coveted "most underrated comment of the month" award.

>>6587081
>have an issue with something outside of my specialty
>ask my friend for help

This is literally adulthood. My friends all do different trades and we help each other out. If I have a water leak in my house I call my friend who is a plumber and my friend who is a flooring/carpet guy to help me out. If they have troubles with vehicles or machinery I am the guy they call and I help them out. If it's something intensive/big we charge each other a fee to work on it. If it's something small we help each other out when we meet up for dinner/playing games.

I wish somebody told me in highschool to keep as many contacts as possible for adulthood and be nice to everybody because that is literally what you need when you are in a career position. I got my job by networking with a friend from school and his uncle. A couple years later I was at a conference and saw a dad of another friend of mine and chatted with him to get an 'in' for our company with this guy who specializes in something. Now I get a promotion for getting this contact that we use all the time and my friend's dad is glad I got him a bunch of business. This is life as an adult. Be nice to everybody you can and remember names and funny stories to tell people.

>>6590990
>I wish somebody told me in highschool to keep as many contacts as possible for adulthood
why? most of them were awful or didn't even remember my name. gtfo normie >>>/out/

>>6587070
>he had Dad bring me in so we could laugh at him together.
i guess he's not as t-gay as your gaydad.

>>6590951
>It was like a 60$ peripheral
cheapest mic i ever got was worth just 10 bucks maximum. that was in the early 2000s, and almost everything in my cunt is imported and overpriced. PS2 cost a 700+ USD in my country on release, and its price hardly dropped until PS3 came along.

>>6591064
I am on the verge of being a normie because I can act normal at work but am a total sperg online and when I go shopping for food. I am also totally weird around my close friends which is how we have always been.

You don't have to be a normie but it will get you further in life. It's not what you know it's who you know. I was top of my class in my respective field of study/trade work and got lucky with my first connection to getting a job and then from there it was a result of people liking me and my personality and networking between other companies as well as mine and finding openings I could jump to.

>>6591080
Canadafag here. I remember not even looking at microphones because anything over 30$ was considered expensive to me. I grew up middle class and had expensive sports equipment and a decent TV at home and a nice computer but my parents didn't know anything about computers or how they worked. The only reason I had for getting a camera was for MSN and the only reason for a mic was for Flash MX which was something only I used (to make shitty flash animations btw) and we didn't see a need to purchase.

>>6585484
Ran it until I built an XP box in, like, 2004? Kept it going that fucking long, but only for games. Basically, I think Steam and Half-Life 2 pushed me to upgrade to XP. Windows Me was a fucking phrase: "Yeah, Windows Me Harder! Windows Me in the ass so fucking hard!"

Sooo much HL varients. HL Classic, CS, Diablo 2, Day of Defeat a lot. Caen FTW.

I learned to skip every other Windows release, starting with 95. Skip 95, use 98, skip ME, use XP, skip... Uhm, there was something before 7 right? 98 was ass, but it ran forever.

Not a video game, but I missed the After Dark in Win 3.x

>>6589604
Guess I'll have to just install lubuntu and then sudo apt-get install [random-bullshit-gtk] and then clone the flash drive a bunch of times just in case. I figure cloning your drives is problematic because if you switch computers when one dies then it won't work though of which is why I've always worried over installing from tar. I suppose installing from tar is possible but when you're a baka.....

I guess I'm going to be forced do download all of that random software dependencies shit and then like ten guides on how to manually install things and stop daemons and alter them and shit.

>>6590990
>>adulthood is asking mommy for help

You're confused by our modern society. In ancient times you'd just fuck off into the woods and hunt, then trade dead deer for new shoes. Now days you are forced to pay monthly fees for everything while having fake friends on your fakebook and it programmed you to think it's impossible to take some time to survive by yourself.

>>6585484
>How long you stayed on it?
until 2004, switched to XP, i skipped all the dross in between.
>What games did you play on it?
Yes, i was principally a PC gamer for most of the 90's and 00's and it was my only platform until the PS3 got released.
>Did you learned anything from it?
Not W95 specifically but PC's in general during that era help my IT career no end. I practised at home and used it at work.

>>6590990
>>6592110
>Two manchildren larping as grown-ups, going all "N-no, you!"
Also, nice, compelling numbers

>>6592119
>>larp
>live action role play
>text on some monitor
It's role play, not larp. Larp is when you're a cosplayer in real life doing things.

I would appreciate it if you end this zoomer 'fast to type on a phone' culture term right now, as it is being used improperly due to such culture.

>>6592126
>internet isn’t live action
>”haha I’m not as much of a larper as those guys at the park!”
Cope zoombie

>>6592119
Also, aside from your improper use of larp, the last numbers going from right to left is how numbers work on this site, zoomer.

t. the omega male in the thread

>>6592128
>>cope
Thirdly, this is how redditors use the English language. Normal 4chan users that aren't extremely new zoomer normalfaggot invaders do NOT use cope that way.

Go back to where you came from. You don't belong here.

>>6592130
>normal 4chan users
Hello board tourist

>>6592132
You're not fooling anyone. Literally /r/incel invented using the word cope that way.

>>6592126
>>6592129
>Both triggered
Pottery

>>6590990
>This is literally adulthood
>My friends all do different trades
Yes, this is adulthood for raging mediocrities whose friends are all tradies.

>>6592108
>I figure cloning your drives is problematic because if you switch computers when one dies then it won't work
it doesn't matter
just make sure you boot using the fallback initramfs on other computers (or just make it the default, it only adds a little bit of time to booting)
>I've always worried over installing from tar.
in most cases you don't need to, use the repos, or add a repo if it's not in the official ones
most linux users don't go around manually building and installing software from source tarballs

>>6592179
>reading comprehension
I'm both.

>>6592223
Are you sure there won't be driver issues? Even with things like raspberry pi each needs a differing os despite having similar hardware.

>>6592236
>Are you sure there won't be driver issues?
not between pc's
>Even with things like raspberry pi each needs a differing os despite having similar hardware.
not between rpis and other sbc's, they are different architectures, don't blame linux for this, blame the lack of standardisation

>>6592248
this was written poorly
i mean there won't be issues between pc's, but there will be issues if you're going between rpi/sbc's

What's the best storage solution for retro PCs? I'm leaning towards SD card IDE adapters but none of them have a way to be mounted to the case properly.

>>6592137
Stay safe out there anon lmao

>>6592250
>>6592248
I know that pc's don't have arm cpu's but they make a different os's for different pis you know. Pi zero gets a different os than better pis.

>>6592283
yes, because they're different architectures
unlike PC's, which have a standard firmware, method of booting, method of addressing and idenfiying peripherals, etc, etc, etc, all things which need to be known by the kernel (such as linux) to be able to work, these devices are all unique to themselves in some way, there's no standard by which an operating system can figure out on it's own the hardware it's been given
it's also the reason why we can't have android distros that work on multiple phones, most sbc's actually use phone hardware, it's all unique stuff
there's generally actually very little difference between any two sbc's (or phones), but it's enough to require an os to need special configuration for that system (often not really that much configuration, but it's not really the kind of thing any random person can handle, either)
all that said, when it comes to software packages you install on these systems, only the cpu architecture matters (unless it's really specific to that hardware, like a package that say, changes the fan speed on an odroid)
(the pi1 and zero both have armv6 cpus, later pi's have armv7 cpus)

>>6592283
>>6592317
-- actually, for a familiar analogy
remember "plug-and-play", and how big a deal it was?
well sbcs and phones don't have this (yet)
you'd think they're just pc's with arm cpus.. but they're not, there's more to a pc than just it's x86 cpu

>>6592321
But embedded systems can do plug and play, just not that well.

I've read that androids can't update their firmware though. Like I posted up there, I figured there'd be a driver issue because I originally figured it's more an issue than just the cpu, arm or otherwise. The question is, would cloning be problematic outside of pis, and if it is does that mean I have to buy the same computer model over and over, or would that not even work due to some mac address issue or something? I mean, I've had a dell die before just switching it's batteries. The small hardware change literally made win7 demand an install disc before. Since then I've been tilting my head at modern OS's and don't trust them.

t. >>6592283
>>6592236
>>6592108

>>6592329
regarding pc's, windows historically had problems with hardware changes, because it was designed for prebuilt machines, it was licensed for one machine, and traded the flexibility of booting on machine configurations for a speed boost during startup (you can save a bunch of time by not probing for hardware if you know ahead of time what hardware to expect)
historically, the method of moving windows to another machine was to run sysprep, generalise the system (remove system-specific configuration, and tell windows to expect different hardware, a similar state to when windows has just been installed and is booting for the first time), then move the installation
since windows 8, with advancements like ssd's and hibernate ("fast boot"), avoiding hardware probing was no longer considered necessary, and they've also seen benefits in things like windows on a usb drive (windows-to-go), so win8+ is designed to check for new hardware on normal booting, and there's no need for sysprep generalisation anymore

as for linux, since the advent of initramfs, distros have provided options for including most common boot-critical drivers in the initramfs, which is neccesary for booting on arbitrary hardware
most modern distros have two choices during boot, the normal initramfs which only contains drivers for the system it was made on, or a fallback initramfs, which is bigger and slower to load, but contains most common drivers, so will boot on most machines, for a system you intend to clone and move around, you should make the fallback initramfs the default

I could buy a GeForce 2060...or an FX 5950 for the same price.

>>6592348
>>6592329
hey i just remembered, earlier versions of windows actually had a unique boot splash for the specialisation phase i mentioned (as opposed to generalisation, which reverses this), maybe you've seen it before
windows 8+ show unique text during boot on new hardware, too

>>6592363
Yeah, that's stupid as fuck, don't buy that. Retro PC hardware has been having it's own bubble for several years, for which YouTubers are also partially responsible.
You might be able to find a 5900XT/SE (they're the same cards, just labeled differently by their manufacturer) for a more reasonable price, or a 4200 Ti. They'll be just fine for almost everything you'd actually want to play on Win98, including a lot of post-2000 games.

>>6592363
i laughed at someone for owning an FX card in 2004
why the fuck would someone want one now?

>>6592468
The high end cards are fine, even a bit better than the 4XXX Ti cards, but they would have also cost way more.

>>6592253
Look for ide flash modules on eBay. They’re fairly cheap and just plug straight into the 40 pin header in the motherboard. Can’t put a slave on the same bus but you didn’t want to do that anyway, right?

>>6592253
just get some velcro tape

>>6589161
It would blue screen constantly. I blame the porn my dad would download on it, but then again I would download some too, so we both were screwing it up lol

>>6592130
>>6592132
feels like summer samefags producing fake outrage and pretension of retardness.

>>6591110
>I grew up middle class and had expensive sports equipment and a decent TV at home and a nice computer but my parents didn't know anything about computers or how they worked.
gotcha, you were an uber normie all along.

>>6592892
>fake outrage
People that use the word cope come from troll subs on reddit and use parroted responses like:

>yikes
>crab
>oof
>cope (but using it too often and or wrong (eg end of sentence like d e s u )
>cringe
>jfc
>imagine (at start of sentence)

Learn cultures and you'll realize I'm right.

>>6585484
I hate that modern Operating Systems have no charm or character, especially Windows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tajDxBaPBBM

>>6592892
Also, to add to >>6592904 my post there, that anon you are (You)ing other than me that is calling me a tourist, of which I am not, is making a bad joke about how no one is normal here, of which, it's no longer 2007 so yes, yes they are normal. Most of them. Young invaders from reddit they be. I am here for that reason. To keep away from normalfaggot zoomer invaders from reddit.

I'd be somewhere else, but kikes took down better sites and my home boards never came back.

>>6592904
Imagine this cringe cope jfc oof
yikes desu

>>6586934
>>6586461
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWN5HDoGKyo

?

>>6585484
For my personal computer, a couple years on 98SE, switched to 2000 Pro circa late 2001. We had a shared family Windows machine as well, but that one was on 95 for the most part.

>>6593773
Oh, and to answer the rest, mostly SC/Brood War, Diablo 2, and Crusader: No Remorse. We were macfags through the 90s, and by the time I went full Windows I was on 2000 Pro.

Would a VM work for a few win98 games?
If so, which one should I use?

>>6595906
the /rec/ method for tricky Win98 games is to look for fanpatches or sourceports first. if not found, install gentoo and WINE.

>>6595906
dosbox

>>6595979
I've heard DOSBox isn't meant for applications, just games.

>>6595979
Is it usable though? I remember installing windows 95 and a game and it ran in single digits, alongside various other problems.

>>6585594
Cool stuff

>>6595906
It’ll work fine. I’ve been doing it that way with virtual box for probably 10 years

I'll admit I'm an authenticityfag who has a hard-on for swapping out PCI cards so I need bare metal.

>>6595906
VMs don't work especially well for Win9x gaming. You should use PCem instead. It let's you emulate a range of components, the fastest being a Pentium MMX 233 system with SLI Voodoo 2s.

>>6585484
Skipped it and went for XP

>>6596183
>PCI
Pleb. ISA is where the fun stuff is at

>>6596336
ISA sound cards, but PCI video cards.

>>6596338
I’ll give you that, although the time period between VLB and AGP was basically only the Pentium 1 era.

>>6596454
My favorite system I own currently has an ATX Socket 7 board with an S3 Virge/Voodoo 1 combo, ESS Audiodrive, and MMX 233.

My first computer I owned was running it, started as a pentium 2 e-machines at 300mHz and upgraded it to 1.5GHz. Ran it up to 2009-10 when I needed XP for Visual Studio college projects, but I still have it under my desk and plug it in from time to time to play mostly pre-2000 games (Icewind Dale mostly).

The fuck are you guys doing that you can tell the difference between versions of Windows?
I've had nearly every version since 3.1 and I honestly can't say switching has been enough of a milestone to even remember when it happened.

>>6596702
Based boomer with Alzheimer's

>>6585484
I skipped over 98 when I went from 95 to 2000, but I do want to build a J-Win98 SE machine to recapture the time with some Japanese games I played back then. Visiting friends who had 98 machines we'd have LAN gaming fun with games that really took advantage of the platform like RPGs (Diablo/Bioware), RTS (Total Annihilation/Blizzard/Microsoft/Red Alert), and FPS games (Q3/UT/AVP2/Tribes) which controlled best to me using mouse+keyboard. At that time I learned Intel/nVidia were the ideal systems to build around but their unaffordable premiums forces me to make due with the poverty AMD/ATI options with their multitude of issues. While AMD/ATI will never be as good, I still like them for nostalgic reasons.

>>6597010
Do NT-based OSes really work that well with DOS-based Windows applications?

>>6597037
>DOS-based Windows applications

>>6597096
Oh for fuck's sake, I mean Windows built on DOS. Do the applications written for those also work in the NT-kernel Windows?

>>6597329
Yeah, there are Win 95 games that won't out of the box on NT systems or OSes with NT-Kernel, but not that many I think. Only one I ever encountered was the original unpatched retail of Warzone 2100 which refused to tun on Win2k.

>>6597362
*run

>>6596754
The jump to 95 was massive. After that, its been so incremental that I haven't noticed. I can't say Visa was better than 7 because____. No difference except for minor little things.

"ah yes, I changed over to 98 back in the summer of '03." Why do you remember such a mundane detail?

>>6597010
I knew it was you even without the faggy little note. You type like a rapist.

The image of you digging through boxes for the junk relevant to the discussion and setting up your little photo shoots on that ugly counter all for a single 4chan post slays me.

>>6597886
My guess is mild autism.

>>6585484
Saved up for a year to buy my first PC, age 14. Did it with paper round money; my family didn't think I'd manage to save it all, when I did they were so furious they tried to make me buy it from a god awful high street computer store. Got it through one of those huge Computer Shopper magazines instead.

Arrived just after Christmas, exploring the early internet when it was snowing outside was magic. Stuff that was irritating then - Netscape Navigator, dialup internet, geocities fan sites with hand drawn logos, freeserve chatrooms - now all have a magical, nostalgic quality.

Had the 98 train station theme for years, so comfy. Played Red Alert 2, Unreal Tournament, Half Life, System Shock 2, and a tonne of emulated SNES games - Gundam Wing Endless Duel is the only fighting game I ever got anywhere decent at, and it was with a keyboard ffs.

>>6597971
>Gundam Wing Endless Duel is the only fighting game I ever got anywhere decent at, and it was with a keyboard ffs.

DOS Budokan is still the best fightan on PC.

>>6596336
>>6596338
were there even ISA 3D GPUs???

>>6599698
Doubt it. You need a certain data throughput for it to make sense. I guess PCI was the minimum.

>>6599698
A few existed, but they weren't capable of fast 3D rendering for gaming purposes, instead they were for CAD applications.
There is the Creative 3D Blaster for VLB, but its proprietary API supports a low number of games, and you need a memory expansion for it to even run DirectX at all.

>>6597010
Socket A/462 AMD CPUs like the Athlon and Athlon-XP are just fine, even better than the Pentium III/4. The biggest issue would be that you need a PSU with a strong 5v rail, but it appears that the board you have has a 4pin for the CPU to provide 12v power, so you can use just about any PSU with that.
Radeon cards aren't exactly terrible either, just usually had worse drivers. For one brief generation, they were even on top (even if some of that has to do with Nvidia fucking up big time with the FX series)
I would probably recommend a GeForce 4 Ti or FX since you're going with a 98 build, though. Plus it just feels weird to use an ATI card on an nForce mobo.

I went from windows 95 to Windows 98 Third Edition (ME)
ME was good if you installed a non bloat OE version

>>6599698
Yes. Some GUI/CAD accelerators like >>6599898 said, like high-end cards from Intergraph, Weitek, SPEA, VideoLogic and the like.

>>6585484
sad to say I was three when I first had it then they moved to xp. I member playing Mighty math number heroes and space cadet 3d pinball, but thats it. I was a kid. didn't play doom or half life becauseI didn't know those games existed plus I wasn't allowed to play those kinds of games anyways

>>6599989
>didn't play doom or half life becauseI didn't know those games existed
did your local bookshops , grocers and WALLLLMART! not sell shareware disk compilations?

>>6585484
I spent hours playing these games.

>>6585484
I still have the machine
put more ram and installed Windows 98lite + Plus! 98

it runs like shit if I don't change the default configuration in the BIOS

Intel Celeron - 333 MHz (Slot 1)
760MB RAM
40GB hard drive
Motherboard PC-Chips on SiS 620/5595

>>6597037
I fon't think they worked well from my memory. Most of the games I mentioned at that time were made to be or become compatible with both 98 and 2000. As for DOS games, I had a dedicated DOS machine for those titles. That's probably why 98 is so popular being built upon DOS for a greater compatibility for a larger set of titles.

>>6597894
That's why I keep reusing the images from my phone. I enjoy making the pics and posting here for fans like yourself.

>>6599935
Oh that pic are parts of my old Win2k system. I am very familiar with the crap drivers AMD provides, they are the bane of poverty builds, but in theory they could be the best price for performance. I was trying to consult /g/ for my J-Win98SE build, but since it was for Windows and not GNU/Linux I didn't receive much help. You are right though, I am looking into FX cards for it. As for the nForce, I am trying to clean that southbridge to attach a new heatsink for the Win2k revival. You seem to be knowledged enough on 98, so I'll ask again later.

>>6601135
Oooh, a Sound Blaster Pro 2.0! Excellent choice. If it had a Wave Blaster header, it'd probably be the perfect DOS soundcard.
The Tseng is great for a strictly DOS machine as well. Can't go wrong with the Voodoo 3 in a 98 machine, though. Nice quality image, good DOS compatibility, and obviously a staple of 9x gaming.

>>6585484
>How long you stayed on it?
I got computer from my dad who built it from parts lying around. That was prob late 90s, so used it to about the mid 2000s. Eventually upgraded from Pentium 4 to an AMD dual core and thus to XP.

>What games did you play on it?
The usual PC games; Warcraft 1/2, Diablo, Starcraft, Doom, Wolf3D, Duke3D, etc. One that always stood out was Bedlam, shame you can't really play it on newer Windows, all kinds of problems. Also loved the Disciples series, blew my mind you could use music on HDD for soundtrack. I believe that last 'new' game that I managed to get working on there was Warcraft 3.

>Did you learned anything from it?
I learned a lot from it. I would accidentally fuck it up and would have to learn how to fix it. Learned how to use BIOS and all that to reinstall Windows after accidentally deleting important files as well.

>>6585484
Skipped it entirely, went from 95 to XP to 7 to 10 because LULZ FUCK YOU ASSHOLE. LTSB isn't god-awful, though.

>>6601135
it's that recent pic from you? i frankly never seen such clean retro parts.

>>6600665
>CCleaner
I remember when it was NOT china's spyware.

>>6600665
>runs like shit if I don't change the default configuration in the BIOS
>Intel Celeron - 333 MHz

Celerons were always shit. Even the newer ones that are still being sold....

>>6601492
>Celerons were always shit
Usually true, however, an OC'd Slot 1 Celeron 300A could hold its own against the PII 450, and wasn't even too far off from the PIII 450.

I intend on building a time machine to go back before this post-apocalyptic world and change the future. I want to perfect the formula, but there's always something to sacrifice with one choice over other choices.

>>6592253
I am also looking for the answer to this. I am considering 120GB SSDs with the assistance of SATA to IDE adapters because of the size limitations of Win98. However, I don't know if the limitation is for one whole drive, or am I allowed a master and a slave on each, meaning I could have two 120GB SSDs. The other issues includes the garbage collection, how to identify DRAM-less ones (because I want to avoid those), and OS alignment.


>>6601160
Yeah, I am not sure if it is a personal thing, but I think I hear a difference with OPL2 and OPL3. I am more used to the games I played with OPL2, as that original SoundBlaster was what I transferred from my 286 to 386 to 486 and I was envious I was unable to afford the much touted SoundBlaster Pro. Yamaha sounds were how I remembered the games, so I am not sure what Wave Blaster or that Dreamblaster X2+S2 does. Is it like a replacement or a cheaper alternative to Roland devices? Do they take up resources?

As for the Tseng, it is a newer version of what I had which was a 4000. However, the Cirrus Logic does Commander Keen which I think the Tseng was unable to do right. The Voodoo3 overheats and I have no idea how to replace the heatsink since I believe the mounting holes may be in a non-standard location plus I'd have to identify an acceptable thermal adhesive, not just thermal paste. Those are for DOS, which I am considering the usage of Win98's DOS which is a newer version than 6.22 but I'd like to keep it strictly DOS so I'm not sure if MMX266, MMX166, or K6-III+ (which I had for 95).


>>6601476
It is not super recent, made before the pandemic. This damn COVID made isopropyl expensive and I want to clean them before usage as they've been in storage.

>>6600210
I was three years old and only cared about mario and sonic.

>>6585758
This isn't your blog fag.

>>6602179
There's definitely a difference between OPL2 and OPL3, since 3 has newer features and such. Not so sure if you'd hear a difference on older stuff that was originally composed for OPL2 devices though.
Wave Blasters and Wave Blaster compatibles are MIDI daughterboards, even Roland and Yamaha made some that are comparable to their MIDI modules. It's just a simpler and easier way to get quality General MIDI for your DOS games. Most Sound Blaster 16s have a buggy Wave Blaster interface, however, so I wouldn't recommend those. Typically I go with an ESS AudioDrive.

Mhm, Commander Keen does kind of hurt the otherwise great Tseng cards. You could always go with an S3 Virge, just make sure you get one made by Diamond, since they always have clear picture quality. The Virge may suck for 3D acceleration, but it's excellent for 2D! If you combine it with a Voodoo 1 or 2, you'll have a sweet little system.
Keeping the stock heatsink should be fine for the Voodoo 3, but you should add a fan to it. That usually helps out quite a bit. A little heatsink stuck on to the opposite side of the core could help as well.
WinWorldPC has an unofficial DOS 7.1 package that'll install without Windows: https://winworldpc.com/product/ms-dos/7x
Never tried it myself, but it looks like it could be helpful if you want a strictly DOS machine.
The processor you're going with there all depends on what you want out of this machine. If you want to only play somewhat later DOS games that aren't as strictly speed sensitive, go with the MMX266 (interesting, wasn't that actually meant to be a notebook CPU?) but if you'd like to be able to play some older stuff with a little bit of tweaking, the MMX166 may be the way to go (though may end up being a little too slow on some titles if you turn off all of the caches, an MMX200 is about the sweet spot for that, I'd say)

>>6602179
its 128gb total on win98. You get data corruption otherwise. Its still a huge amount and you will not fill it easy

>>6603375
it's 127GB per disk
look up LBA28

Thanks for all the info everyone, more than what I got from /g/ in preparing my J-Win98SE build. I am getting a better direction in how to proceed.

>>6602887
It could just be the placebo effect, but I do think there is a slight difference in sound between OPL2 and OPL3.

Winworld is exactly where I intend on getting my J-Win98SE from hopefully in conjunction with 98lite like >>6600665 did for the more streamlined 95 explorer since I don't intend for the machine to go online. The last pic were the parts I were deciding for the J-Win98SE machine.

As for the DOS machine, you are right, I took a better look and it is a MMX233 not 266. The K6-III+ is a mobile processor, but it is compatible with that motherboard. I would like some slow speeds since I have very fond memories playing Wing Commander 2 on my 286-12.

>>6603375
They say that about all capacities and what ends out happening all the time: it gets filled. Still I guess it is good news that I only need one 120GB SSD as that's all the OS could handle and they are only $20USD from China. Still have to figure out how to identify if they have DRAM or not and how to align 98SE to the SSD.

>>6601484
Wait. When was this? What is the cutoff point?

I've used a pentium 1 pc with 98 up until 2007 but also used a much newer family PC. Then I built a pentium 2 system with win2k and some months later upgraded to a pentium 3 and XP.
2 years later upgraded to a core2quad, now that was a performance boost.

Is windows ME retro? It was released in 2000.

>>6587151
Classic Shell?

>>6604204
windows me is not a game, so none of the rules apply to it, if you run games designed for 1999 or older hardware, then it's fine, just like any other version of windows

>How long you stayed on it?
We weren't fast adopters of XP so like 2003-2004
>What games did you play on it?
Harry Potter and the Sorcerers Stone, Roller Coaster Tycoon, and Warcraft 2 (which I am about to redownload)
>Did you learned anything from it?
It was better than WebTV and that the anime show "Betterman" that aired on anime unleashed did not have a website called Betterman.com, that was a penis enhancement site

>>6604191
I don't have much experience with J-Win98, only ever used it in PCem, but it seems to not be too far off from the regular English version of Win98. Anything that would be good for a standard Win98 build should also apply for J-Win98. Haven't tested it much, but English games seem to be just fine on J-Win98 as well (only tested Need for Speed II SE and Interstate '76 on it)

There can be a slight difference, but I think that's more down to individual cards having a slightly different sound to begin with.
WinWorldPC is great for finding specific versions of old operating systems. Helps out so much.
The MMX 166 is probably your best bet there, then.

>>6592095
>After Dark
Aw yeeeeh
>Bogglins
What?

>>6592492
using an MSI MS-6156 with a Pentium 3.

the problem is the bios limits the drive size to under 40GB.

been using 32gb/120gb ssds with a bunch of Win98 systems with really good results!
but because the drives cant trim you will notice the write speeds drop after a while but that really isnt as important on a win98 system and those read speeds will always stay solid.
(Pic related)

>>6585594
>Putting ion fury in the list
Even though its the build engine, cant that game actually run on a win98 machine? It pushes the engine to its limits.

>>6585484
I played an online game called Acorphobia or some shit. It was a fun way to waste time.

>>6606484
Not only that, they also extended its functionality.

>>6585760
Just set it to classic theme and install classic she'll, you won't mess with system files at all. You'll want to change colors to look more 95/98, but that can be changed under the windows appearance settings.

Win 98 will always remind me of playing Episode 1 Racer.

the only thing windows 98 reminds me of is how crash prone it was. Getting blue screens was a daily thing

>>6604191
https://www.zdnet.com/article/avast-no-plans-to-discontinue-ccleaner-following-second-hack-in-two-years/
started around 2017. it's quite recent. repeatedly hacked by china to steal data from users.

>>6608086
No, it wasn't if your system was properly set up, correct drivers were installed and you didn't mix any overy exotic hardware components. I've never seen one BSOD while having Win 98 on my machines back in the day. Factum. Win 95 fared far worse in contrast.

>>6608223
yea right, you can bluescreen win98 by just copying a file off a cd and ejecting it half way through

>>6608231
Never did that, happened to me. But please...I can swear on my dead mother (or whatever people do) if you want. Not one BSOD until I retired it in early 2000 for Win2k.
Win 95 on the other hand gave me a lot of shit, especially related to installing hardware.
The entire Win2k and XP stretch was also BSOD free for me, it got generally worse after Win 7 for me.

>>6608231
>accidentally be retarded to the point that computer is confused

Yes. That was the win98's fault. Sure sure.

I wonder what the smallest win9x computer ever made was considering new small hardware doesn't even run win7 easily now days.

>>6585484
I mostly played a game that was called SoftICE and that fucked my system clock.

>>6608262
where did i blame win98?
all i'm saying is that i find it hard to believe someone could use win98 for a good amount of time and have no bsod's at all, since it bsod'd over the smallest of things, and it was not all user-error

>>6608274
smallest as in size ?

>>6608315
>since it bsod'd over the smallest of things,
It normally didn't, like I posted >>6608243
Aside from the PNP feature not working 100% when changing some PCI cards I had a stress-free experience with that OS.

>>6608231
This was one of the tamest blue screens you could easily recover from. I wouldn't even count it as a BSOD; it's on the same level of docility as the CTRL+ALT+DEL screen in Windows 3.1.

>>6608329
Cool little anecdote: It's funny how well Windows 9x could tolerate being transferred from system to system without a reinstall. Most of the time all you had to do was boot into safe mode and delete the Enum key in the registry so it could reconfigure all the new hardware on the next boot. Windows NT/2K/XP would just dab on you and demand a repair install if you changed your motherboard or moved your hard drive to another system.

>>6608463
>Windows NT/2K/XP would just dab on you and demand a repair install if you changed your motherboard or moved your hard drive to another they have a tool for this purpose, sysprep

>>6608463
>Windows NT/2K/XP would just dab on you and demand a repair install if you changed your motherboard or moved your hard drive to another system.
they have a tool for this purpose, sysprep

>>6586382
I never had any issues with ME edition. The one that really pissed me off down the road was vista but some people even swear by that.

>>6608570
>pissed me off down the road was vista but some people even swear by that.
i remembered Vista screwed up Warcraft 3 and Starcraft 1. not sure if such problems were fixed by updates.

>>6608684
I remember throwing a fit when Mechwarrior 3 was suddenly broken beyond Win XP SP1

>>6585484
I feel like a good portion of my PC gaming memories were on Windows ME instead. Windows 98 maybe NFS III?

>>6608942
>Mechwarrior 3 was suddenly broken beyond Win XP SP1
i thought MW3 only worked on 98?

>>6609016
Nah, I remember playing it just fine on an unpatched version of XP

>>6602785
>This isn't your blog fag.
Stfu anon. I'd rather read this than shitposts all day. Keep blogging anon.

>>6586052
>A jannitor deleted 90 percent of the posts. He's abusing his power at this point.
Fuck the jannies!

Gawd, the price I pay for retro hardware...

$100 for this shit (not this exact one but this is the best image I could find) before shipping but I had to get one that was confirmed working...

Plus I hear these can be weird because of the dual coupling they use to have both drives exist on one floppy cable, which can result in a mismatch with your motherboard. I see this being troublesome but figure it's worth a go.

>>6585698

Absolutely agree. I even made my windows 10 look like windows 98, lol

>>6609546
I wish you could do something like this to Windows 8. I would have been all over that.

>>6609506
100 for a 3 inch floppy drive? Are there even any original 3 inch floppy dick games that still work?
>>6609556
gross. i just want the old start menu back.

>>6609614
I think the cost is more down to the 5.25" drive. I see prices for those staying consistently high.

>>6608086
worked on my machine stop downloading porn bro

>>6585484
>How long you stayed on it?
My first computer as a kid was Windows 3.1, I upgraded around 00~ish to 98 till about 03 when I got an XP machine

>What games did you play on it?
Solitaire, quake 2, myst and its sequels, I wasn't really into PC gaming

>Did you learned anything from it?
It's when I started using a computer basically daily so pretty much everything

DualShock 4s work on Windows 98.

What an interesting find.

>>6608323
Yes, as in the chips. Sony made really tiny xp computers but how small was the smallest win9x x86 computer? Could you use the similar drivers for the tiny sony things?

>>6611147
I had one of these. Such a great little thing but it was already outdated by the time I got it (and this was in 2013) so I could barely find a use for the thing.

Oh well, I'll always have the GPD Win series.

>>6608274
>>6611147
does it have to be a whole machine like a netbook or ultramobile?
if not, there are many examples of small/single board computers out there that will run windows 98, they've been around longer than you think, just for commercial or thin client purposes

>>6611186
commercial/industrial

>>6611186
Yes I meant just small motherboard mainly in general, and system on a chip aka single board computers have interested me since forever going back to the gp2x of which I blogged about not having near the top of the thread.
>click image
>can't tell name

The filename says eos, does that mean this soc is an eos? I'll find it eventually. i wonder it's specs *quick search on duckduckgo*

I can't quickly find it. What is that and what's the cpu and ram and gpu on it?

My dick is getting hard. You could turn it into a little netbook and put retroarch on it or older emulators. All I care about is retro gaming and reading books anyway.

Cross referencing cactus sdd and eosystem doesn't work for me.

I see it's an mSATA hard drive but that's all I can tell about this thing.

What is this thing, like 4.5'' across square?

How much does it cost?

Please tell me how to find these so I can abandon new things once and for all.

I just run into bait and driver issues that I read about when I try to find such things. So I stick to the newer stuff that's cheaper but not by choice. I wonder how expensive old x86 tiny soc's are.

>tfw know that even if I bought it I'd likely not be intelligent enough to get past the driver issues that mini-itx gives people

WHAT'S IT'S NAME ANON PLZ IS IT AN OLD mini ITX?

>>6609127
I meander more than blog usually but thanks.

>>6611252
>I can't quickly find it. What is that and what's the cpu and ram and gpu on it?
just a random old sbc
https://www.syslogic.de/eng/ipcnetipc-6-35444.shtml
it doesn't specifically mention win9x, i'm not recommending it, it was just an example picture
>You could turn it into a little netbook and put retroarch on it or older emulators. All I care about is retro gaming and reading books anyway.
if you don't care about windows 9x games, you can just use any modern sbc instead, they're fast enough for emulators and dos games
>I see it's an mSATA hard drive but that's all I can tell about this thing.
it's a CompactFlash card, not an mSATA SSD
clearly you've never need old sbc's before, since compactflash was the go-to form of storage before sd cards took over

>>6611276
never seen*

>>6597886
I used to remember many such things 10 years ago, even more 15 or 20 years ago. Now the few things I can remember are a few CPUs and the last non-AGP video adapter I had. Oh, and one of my first HDDs, it was 130 MB if I remember right.