/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6583716
N64, but I like both (and the Saturn).

>>6583723
Based idort

AssPlayStation.

>>6583716
Objectively speaking: PSX > Saturn > N64

>>6583716
N64 is missing Mario Party. Idk why you left out Spyro 3, that honestly is my personal favorite in the series. You also forgot Tenchu, which will piss off the comfy gifs anon. N64 also had a Castlevania game people gush about.

>>6583716
>>Street Fighter Alpha 3
the ps1 port?...

>>6583803
>N64 also had a Castlevania game people gush about.
I only ever remember people hating that game.

>>6583887
Yeah. That's what I though to but I'll occasionally see a random batch of people talking about it with high regard.

Why did the PS1 have so many more games than the N64? Was it only because the N64 was cartridge based so third party devs jumped ship?

>>6584043
Yeah it was cheaper to develop for and in many cases Sony offered to pay for the advertising too, like FF VII.
Really, neither Nintendo nor Sega could compete with a corporation that actually knew a thing or two about how to install a platform on the market. It's a miracle Nintendo is still doing hardware tbqh

>>6584043
Much easier for develop for. Much cheaper to ship games on. I hear the N64 was hell to work with.

>>6584072
What they did with the PS1 was smart but the PS2 was like opening Pandora's box. Making the PS2 a cheap DVD player was a really good way to sell a shitload of consoles to people who don't even play games. It made their platform the biggest in game history since it artificially increased the platforms player base, which caused most of the devs in the era to make their game for the PS2. Resulting it in becoming the biggest selling console in history.

Ever since then console developers have focused almost entirely on gimmicks, becoming a media device or some other shit that has nothing to do with games. Even the PC was affected since AAA wanted to focus on the consoles that had all the gimmicks and shit. I genuinely believe Sony ruined the entire game industry

>>6584129
>Making the PS2 a cheap DVD player was a really good way to sell a shitload of consoles to people who don't even play games.
No kidding. People may take it for granted now, but even my fucking boomer father loved the playstation 2. He'd use it for movies all the time. I think the PS1 and PS2, for what they tried to accomplish, were the two perfect video game systems.

>>6584147
Yeah. I knew a ton of people who owned them just for the DVD player. The PS1 and PS2 are both amazing game systems, but like I said It's Pandora's box. They got tons of success by over inflating their playerbase and drawing all the developers to their platform, but now every single console dev tries to do that and the entire industry doesn't even give a shit about games anymore.

>>6584072
>It's a miracle Nintendo is still doing hardware tbqh
basically a combination of how well the Game Boy was doing during that era(and the GBA and DS in later eras), and how well the SNES and NES had done in prior eras is what allowed Nintendo to thrive through the relative slumps of the N64 and GameCube eras, cause unlike a lot of companies Nintendo maintains a a surprisingly large amount of reserve funds to keep going during slump periods

>>6584168
Completely agree. The PS3 launching with a million ports and gimmicks racking the price up to an absurd degree was without a doubt because they got the idea into their head that more features = better without much consideration for people who just cared about games. I still think the PS3 is a pretty alright system, but it absolutely pales in comparison to the PS1/2.

>>6584129
I don’t know anyone that bought a PS2 solely for DVD.

>>6584217
The PS3 was honestly a dumpster fire on launch. They tried pulling that DVD gimmick again, but with the blueray player. Thing is though there isn't as substantial as a difference between DVD and blueray as there is between DVD and VHS. It also was absurdly expensive and it also was hard to develop for.

All the boomer consoomers moved onto the Wii because the clickbait articles and CNN reports told them they could get them fit by playing Wii Tennis. Nintendo even capitalized on it and made WIi fit. Good lord what a fucking scam that console was. That was the last console I ever bought before going full vr (aside from the occasional decent PC game).

>>6584218
I don't know who you were talking to at the time then. If you only talked to kids that makes sense, but I knew a lot of Gen Xers who owned one and had no games for it. The jump form VHS to DVD was huge, and DVD players were going for about $450 at the time. Meanwhile the PS2 was $300 on launch.

>>6584263
>Good lord what a fucking scam that console was.
Some would say the Wii was the beginning of the end for Nintendo, but I might be so bold as to say it was the N64, which marked when Nintendo essentially became the 'buy our systems for our first party games and nothing else' console company. The Wii U in 2012 was the last console I ever purchased, lord knows why the hell I did that. What an awful, awful system. Dark time.

>>6584352
N64 is extremely beloved

>>6584406
So is the Gamecube. It just isn't for me.

>>6583716
Neither of those lists is complete but the pro of psx is more games, and a fuck ton of jrpgs to boot, and the pro of n64 is it has that special gameply that only nintendo ever gets done on top of having smaller files. Objectively n64 should have been the best but people are morons so they went an developed for the psx and also to this day n64 emulation suffers because HURR.

>>6584492
Smaller individually than an iso I mean.

>>6584492
>Objectively n64 should have been the best but people are morons so they went an developed for the psx
I'm glad they did. Imagine playing most PS1 games on an N64 controller. The N64 worked for Nintendo's quirky stuff but it's hard to imagine it being a third party dev's ideal controller.

>console with literally 5 times more games has more classic titles

Stunning revelation, lol.

>>6583716
>half of PS1's list is jarpigs
Nintendo 64 wins by default.

>>6584432
Gamecube is only loved by gaylords

>>6584715
What's wrong with it? I feel like it and the Dreamcast were the last vestiges of the good old days in the 6th Gen.

>>6584719
Why would you consider the gamecube the last vestige of the good old days but not its generational peers?

I grew up with an N64, still pretty much a Ninten-drone for life but I'm also a big fan of platformers, and having dipped my toe into the playstation 1 library for the first time this year, i'm starting to think I would have been a much happier if I got a PS1 instead of an N64 that christmas. Yeah, Mario and Banjo are great, but quantity is actually pretty important too, and PS1 is a platformer gold mine.

>>6584743
>still pretty much a Ninten-drone for life
I wish I had your optimism. I think it was between 2010-2016 they released five copy-paste 2D Mario games using the same assets over and over, released Skyward Sword (which I hated everything about), and the Wii U which spectacularly flopped with even games like Smash feeling disappointing. Nintendo lost their way to such an extreme degree to me that I've never really considered buying anything Nintendo since. And I loved them growing up, my first console was the NES followed by the SNES. These days I'm just /vr/ and pc.

>>6584263
>Meanwhile the PS2 was $300 on launch.
You could get a $90 dvd player instead at the time. People wanted ps2s.

>not picking both

>>6584743
play klonoa and tomba 1 and 2 next, threads of fate and brave fencer musashi too if you want a more 3d game

>>6583716
N64 library can be summed up as:
>shovelware
>collectathons
>$100 cartridge
>battery saving
>1/5 racing games
>sub 20 fps with slowdowns
>all the 5 good games
>too poor for PC

>>6584875
They're definitely on my list already.

>>6584883
Once in a while I'll boot up an N64 game on my everdrive and they just have this way of disappointing. It's really the frame drops that do it to me, start up pokemon snap, watch the intro, the game turns into a slideshow during the cutscene and it just kills my mood. Jet Force Gemini, can't skip the cutscenes, watch the intro and it just chugs and I'm just thinking to myself "I don't even want to play any more" knowing the game will get that bad at some point.

>>6583716
N64 was the era that Nintendo fucked up their 11-year domination of gaming. I think the answer is obvious.

The SNES was still putting out hits while the N64 was waiting for games. Games that would never come.

i find it strange as fuck the Super Famicom was getting games like a new Fire Emblem in 1999 instead of the N64. games like this would have helped the N64 in Japan

>playstation
>a bunch of ass games
Only good ones: SotN, Tekken 3
>n64
>a bunch of ass games
Only good ones: Mario Kart 64, Wave Race 64
You kids need to understand that generation was the beginning of the end for gaming and make /vr/ pre-1995.

>>6583716
Yes

>>6584043
the N64 was;
- harder to develop for (weird unified-memory architecture, took a lot of effort to get anything out of it)
- used cartridges, which were both expensive just in general next to CD's, and cost more the bigger the games were, so games were designed to be as small as possible. yes, developers had to pay nintendo to make cartridges, it was a huge risk

while the psx was a simple, straightforward architecture, with cheap as fuck CDs with 650M of space gauranteed (which was basically infinite space in 1994), nobody made a game smaller because of the CD format, it was so cheap that lots of games just went with multiple CDs to fit tons of video and things in

>>6584790
>You could get a $90 dvd player instead at the time. People wanted ps2s.
No you couldn't zoomer.
Maybe in 2002 you could and maybeeee in late 2001, but the PS2 launched in 2000 when DVD players were the new hot thing. It's probably what drove the prices for DVD players down so drastically.

>>6584758
Almost the same exact reasons I abandoned Nintendo, except it was Twilight Princess instead of Skyward Sword. I also didn't realize just how weak smash got until I went back from Brawl to Melee and realized how much more impactful the sound effects were. It's doubly true for the n64 game.

>>6584790
>$90 dvd player in 2000
nope

>>6585441
>$199.99
I'm floored it's that cheap. Although, that is a Christmas magazine, so it's probably on a massive discount and the price was driven down substantially from the PS2.

>>6585474
yea, that was really cheap to be as well
the ps2 came out many months before then though
plus i'm not american, our dollars aren't as strong as american dollars

>>6585489
I know the DVD player was weird in that it lost value at an insanely rapid pace. Going from $700 to $100 in just a few years.

>>6584406
only by North Americans.

>>6585494
well i'm sure that was the intention, there's no way it could take off like it did unless it got cheap quickly
at the time the ps2 came out, it's dvd playing ability was a great incentive, as it didn't cost a whole lot more than a standalone dvd player

>>6585504
The entire 2000s was a revolving door of technology coming out and then being phased out within a year. I think when the PS2 came out it was still cheaper than other DVD players, but it didn't last long. Only on release. The thing absolutely flew off the shelves.

>>6585509
i also remember there being a moment where the ps2 was cheaper, but i don't have anything to back it up

>>6585393
>>6585441
Why didn't sony just use a CD drive and a 3 GB HDD or something, if they were concerned about load time. Hard disk prices have felt into the $12-20/GB territory by 2000.

>>6585692
Because they thought if they crammed a DVD player into the thing it'd sell more consoles and they were right. They got in at the perfect time were they could undercut the DVD player prices and sell to people who don't even play games.

Gotta go with PS1
such a based little system

>>6585393
>By the end of 2000, players were available for under $100 at discount retailers.
>>6585441
>cope
You're one of those faggots who think eBay BIN prices are what something is "actually" worth, aren't you.

>>6585862
i didn't write "cope", and my picture is not a screenshot of ebay

>>6584263
The blu ray gimmick worked for the ps3 because when it launched it was the cheapest blu ray player on the market, AND it just so happened to be a next-gen game console. It was a no brainer, especially compared to the 360 which backed the HD DVD horse and couldn’t even do that without an add on drive.

>>6585869
too bad nobody cared about bluray video

>>6585871
Brain dead boomers did. I knew at least one who bought a blu ray player then hooked it up to a 4:3 CRT via composite.

>>6585871
>>6585891
My old man genuinely asked me at the time why someone would want to watch movies tinted blue.

>>6585936
>you just DONT GET IT dad, UGH

>>6585968
You don't get outside much, do you?

>>6585993
no

>>6585863
All your posts have been nothing but cope, and your picture is cope

PSX, because its lifecycle went from 1994 to 2006.

>>6586582
sportsball current year doesn’t count

>>6586601
they were absolute KINO outside the USA.

>>6584602
>>6584602
>having ocd over how your controller looks
It was fine. Most games could have used one side or the other resulting in it lasting twice as long as other controllers if in the options you switched modes.

>>6584352
>beginning of the end for Nintendo
>Nintendo is now more successful than ever
Make you think

>>6586582
>all that shovelware

>>6583716
with the exception of Pokemon Snap and Pokemon Stadium, I never got into N64...Playstation on the other hand, it had tons of games.

>>6583729
Liking both doesn't mean you HAVE/HAD both, which is what makes one an idort.

>>6587348
This. I had a Saturn and N64 back then and hated both and spent most of my time playing PSX games. Saturn was only good if you lived in Japan and N64 was only good if you were younger than 13 at the time.

>>6587362
I had all three. I like the Saturn the most now, the PSX then. N64 never really did it for me and I regretted buying one instead of literally anything else. The reason I like the Saturn the most now is probably due to having easy access to games I never had access to and a few translation patches being produced recently.

>>6585091
Nice shitpost but the PS1 (and this is to go even further beyond, the PS2) had the objective best libraries of all time. Both quantity AND quality, plus for the PS2 pretty much every multiplat of that generation came out on it, so if you only ever bought one 6th gen system, it had to be the PS2.

Sonyggers truly ruined this board.

>>6587442
Poor thing.

>>6584743
>and PS1 is a platformer gold mine.
Not really, and N64 has the best platformer of that generation.
5th gen in general was very dry on side-scroll platforming though, I was disappointed by its output after coming from SNES+MD combo during the 16 bit era.

>>6587442
Pretty much, it's a shame 5th gen ended up being allowed when /vr/ started. Board would have at least 50% less console war shitposting.

>>6585869
It didn't though. It flopped hard and was an uphill battle right out of the gate. It wasn't till midway through the gen that it suddenly started to claw it's way back.

>>6585891
Maybe that was true for some people but it's nowhere near the difference between DVD and VHS.

>>6585862
>A quote with no source
Also how is the price for a DVD player several months after the PS2 launched even remotely relevant. The thing was dropping in price hard. The PS2 was the best selling console at launch. Find me a DVD player for less than $100 on the day the PS2 launched.

>>6583716
Think i got n64 first because of pokemon stadium.

Then the ps1 no not the psx the small white one


Then ps2

Then xbox360 and later a ps3

Then ps4/pc

>>6588710
master system > gameboy colour > pc > psone > ps2 > psp > pc
from 2005 onwards it was just pc and picking up second hand consoles i missed, never got into 7th gen

>>6588661
>a zoomer with no ability to google a quote
How is a price of under $100 by the end of 2000 relevant to debunking a zoomers claim that they were $90 "Maybe in 2002 you could and maybeeee in late 2001"? Gee I wonder.
zoom zoom

>>6583716
They are both shit.

>>6587194
>shovelware
More like soulware, those are a good quantity of games.