/vr/ - Retro Games

yeah

>>6576073
...ok

>>6576062
I personally feel Majora's Mask is superior, but if someone disagrees I won't accuse them of being a nazi.

I never found the 3D Zelda titles much fun and much preferred the more "arcade" style action of the NES games. Majora's Mask improves some simple issues OoT had (like text speed), but isn't a game I go back to because the overall core experience is just not what I want in a video game.

it's blood omen

>>6576062
I enjoy mm more now even though as a kid I loved oot way more. And 3ds mm is kino, most of the criticisms are overblown, although slow zora swimming does suck. And it's weird how they nerf'd the odwala fight while making gyorg and twinmold fights more complex.

>>6576062
Most ambitious Zelda in terms of themes and story. Not the best designed one.

Neither. 3D Zelda is shit

>>6576157
>3ds mm is kino, most of the criticisms are overblown
based
>although slow zora swimming does suck
gay, you can control it better, it makes more sense to use magic to become invincible and go faster, just like goron

For me, it’s Ocarina. MM just doesn’t have enough dungeons.

TP is better than both of them, of course.

>>6576181
>gay, you can control it better, it makes more sense to use magic to become invincible and go faster, just like goron
yeah, but it was fun to swim around the ocean all fast without wasting magic. They should've put magic jars at the bottom of great bay or something.

>>6576218
you have a bunch of rupees in the bank that go unused, buy some magic milk, it lasts a whole day

>>6576062
>image of new ported version
gay

>mask
>time limit
gay
>but also needs expansion pack because more advanced
Well.
>but link's dead
Gay as link's awakening that sort of thing is. Like paper mario is also gay. I hate that. You're already playing something fake as hell and it goes and makes itself faker. I see a dream of a dream. Then he plays a minigame within that dream of a dream.

>>6576303
link isn't dead?

>>6576330
He fell into a bottomless pit then le "you've met with a terrible fate haven't you" and people aren't meant to go into the lost woods because like that one angsty kid from ocarina of time you'll die and become a monster. DMT trip, the game (hence bosses looking like a DMT trip in mask).

Link is a stalfos dreaming while in mask.

In awakening he's dying of dehydration while floating on a bit of his boat after a storm. Hallucinating and dreaming.

Courage gets you killed is the moral. Bravery holds hands with stupidity.

>>6576112
>>6576062
Soul Reaver 2 is best Zelda game
And Raziel is best Link
Kain is best princess

>>6576356
that's some nice headcannon you've got there, it'd be a shame if there were official continuity

>>6576062
I love Majora's but it really only works as a followup to the more grounded OoT. Also that remake is fucking atrocious, the original is the only way to go The OoT remake is better though

disgusting how they butchered this

>>6576385
>Remake a game
>Leave out the SOUL
Why do they keep doing this?

>>6576391
SOUL is offensive to modern sensibilities
Everything must be soulless and indistinct

>>6576365
The thing had recycled dead characters from oot and even the town is called Termina (sounds like Terminal).

There is official continuity.

Also when you die your brain releases DMT so it's just blatantly the dark theme of the game. Also, that moon is not realistic. It's windfish tier dreamland.

Or were you being sincere and not sarcastic about it being as shame that there is no continuity?

Ocarina of Time had a better story/structure/plot/etc. while MM had better features and mechanics

>>6576382
That's a nice fap box he has. I guess he's fanning it with the right hand, must have an internal windmill device propeller thingy, heat rises/pushed/sucked out of the tube. Where can I buy one of these machines? Could be the next finger box.

I don't like saying Majora's Mask is the best Zelda but it's definitely the most experimental one by far and I really admire that.

Also jesus christ what the fuck were they thinking with the remake?

>>6576443
>There is official continuity
I like Zelda, but the continuity is always awkwardly patched together after the fact. Which is fine; caring about the "plot" in a Zelda is kind of silly

Currently there's like 3 different timelines iirc and a bunch of games don't even count as anything but "gaidens"

>>6576443
>that moon is not realistic

>>6576465
That's not Zelda that's a game where space travel is so easy that they could sculpt moons for shits and also giggles hundreds of years ago.

>>6576457
>what the fuck were they thinking with the remake
Zoomers can deal with trial and error design, but Majora used a somewhat aggressive brand of it that most casual players would have found poorly designed in 2015

>>6576062
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYpryVA5WQQ

I would always say Ocarina is better, but honestly, I liked Majoras Mask, and then I watched this and I have to say he makes some valid points.

I guess I just glossed over the weak points of Majora because "muh its Zelda muh recognizable OoT characters" but honestly, it is nowhere near as good as OoT.

>>6576157
>And it's weird how they nerf'd the odwala fight while making gyorg and twinmold fights more complex.
Hitting things with a sword is WAY too much for Aonuma so he changed things to be more puzzle like.

>>6576595
wow, how can you think avgn had any (1 single) valid point at all? he over exaggerates everything in that video, its his worst one by far

>>6576062
That is a picture of neither. It is Majora's Mask, specifically the 3DS version.

There was some shit that is valid, like buying one thing at a time, how fucked you could be with the platforming, and having to restaft a whole chain if you fuck up, but part of his misery was from not leaning into the game mechanics and lack of skill.

Get the warp to the dungeon and the unlock song, then fuck about doing sidetasks until you reset time, then you'll have the full three days to play the dungeon. You can literally just mow down a patch or two of grass and get plenty of replacement arrows and bombs. With that monster with all of the protective blobs, why the fuck was he not using the sword spin? What the fuck was he thinking trying to go against the current into that one tunnel?

>>6576062
Personal taste. For me it's
>Majora's Mask
>ALttP
>TP
In that order. TP would be my favorite if it wasn't for those damn wolf sections. Shit bores me to death, each town you enter you have to play that nonsense for like an hour.

i really like MM when i was younger but after trying to replay found it tedious and not as memorable or exciting as OOT

>>6576062
I like MM more than OOT in certain ways but OOT is probably the more solid experience. I'm biased since I was one of those weirdos who got really into the lore when I like 12

>>6576356
Wrong. It's not An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge, it's Alice in Wonderland. Happy mask salesman is the Cheshire Cat.

>>6576062
Personally I prefer OoT because it's comfy and there's no time limit hanging over my head
I definitely respect Majora's Mask very much though and I should get around to another replay

Tried it multiple times couldn't get into it. Something about the level design turned me off. I like the darker tone but the game overall lacked the atmosphere of OoT

>>6576062

I think OoT is better but only played MM way later.
OoT is more of the epic adventure that the Zelda experience entails, while MM is more world-building and atmospheric. OoT you help people in towns and stuff so you can get items that'll help with your quest to save the world, where MM has you helping people because they're real characters that have 3 days left to live and want some closure in one aspect or another.

MM is like a TV series, while OoT is like a movie.
I think MM is a more mature and developed work with themes of mortality, societal disarray and terrorism (ie. Skull kid could be a parallel to the lonely school shooter archetype); where as OoT is more of a traditional coming-of-age call to adventure type tale.

MM is kind of like RDR2 - Lots of bit parts that add to an overall immersive and lore-rich world that is ripe for discussion and analysis, while OoT is more like RDR1 - More straight-forward and linear but a compelling story from the outset. That analogy is kind of weak but just thought of it.

>>6576062
Ocarina is the best, but I wish someone would make a hack to get all the masks from mm in oot. That would be fucking amazing.

>>6576443
I think youve done too much dmt. You talk like a fag and you're shits all retarded

>>6577692
>MM is like a TV series, while OoT is like a movie.
that's actually pretty interesting take
I guess every three day cycle is an episode

>>6576062
Fuck the 3DS version. I know I'm not being original, but my opinion will not change simply due to it being a common sentiment.

>>6576062
The detail in Clock Town made me personally enjoy Majora's Mask a lot more. Ocarina of Time is the better game though.

>>6577719

Yeah if it's going to be over-arching, I was thinking more like one episode would focus on a 3-day time course of Cremia's missions, another Anju/kafei etc.

>>6577724
Only one I played through - is it the brightnes/atmosphere, dumbing down, or something else? It's got better graphics, portability, and accesibility going for it.

>>6577724
>Fuck the 3DS version.
I don't know why the remake triggers autists so much, it's the best way to play the game.

>>6577764
They probably changed the level design for the better, I admit. But for those who wanted a definitive way to play MM as it was originally, it was a huge let down. I don't know every change, but these are the ones that stuck out to me:
-Owl statue saving is dumbed down and easier
-Colours don't quite match the original's vibe
-You could time travel to within the hour of an event, as opposed to 6 hours(I'm not 100% on this now, but I think it's true)
-Boss fights became longer and had puzzles in between combat, there are also giant glowing eyes you have to hit, and they look awful aesthetically(my opinion)
-Zora swimming became a lot slower, and they had to change the moon dungeon to incorporate this. Yes, you can use magic to go fast, but you don't feel as free.

>>6577768
Yeah, they get triggered over the stupidest shit. It's not like they changed the mechanics, like in SMB on all stars. Mm is the same game but with better graphics.

>>6577787
Bruh that's not true at all, there are tons of changed mechanics. Read my list above for reference.

>>6577768
It is the Comic Sans of remakes

>>6577812
I did notice that the text was displayed differently

>>6577794
Shit up, bitch.

>>6577774
>Owl statue saving is dumbed down and easier
each time someone types up what is changed it becomes more and more shallow, jesus christ

>>6577819
It's important because on 3DS you can reload your save if something goes wrong. In the original, there's no way to go back unless you reset to the first day. It add alot more weight to your actions.

On the flip side of things, the 3DS remake of OOT is 10/10.

>>6577774
Yeah those are most of the arguments I hear about and fair enough, didn't bring me down.

>>6577787
I think it's like the above poster said, more a let-down leading to frustration on what could have been than genuine seething. (but what's the difference really)

>>6578334
I feel that way about the original versions of zelda not really so much the remakes. Because fuck all the lighting stuff, what about additional dungeons, they used to do that for gameboy remasters.

N64 MM > 3DS OoT > N64 OoT > 3DS MM

Neither but I prefer Ocarina between the two of them.

>another thread by nonretro-image-for-retro-thread-kun
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>>6576062
Changed the lighting, ruined half of what made the atmosphere. It isnt a meme, fuck you.

>>6576107
I am a Nazi and I agree with you.

>>6576180
Nice, let’s derail the fucking thread.

I replayed LTTP recently, and it really does have very little charm compared to the NES, Game Boy, and N64 games. That said, it’s the most important Zelda game in the series for creating what we think of as the “Zelda formula.” Of course, it’s also really tight in technical and creative aspects.

>>6576217
>MM just doesn’t have enough dungeons.
But it has better ones.

>>6576217
MM doesn't have a lot of dungeons but it has by far the most things to do in the overworld and the most side content. Personally I find the dungeons to be the weaker part of MM.

Alright boys I'm hopping in for a replay. Any tips? Haven't played in years. N64 version btw

>>6577918
Are there any modding efforts for OoT3D to restore the original lighting and atmosphere?

There's straight up total conversion mods for MM3D to unfuck everything that got fucked but I'd really like to see that one simple fix to make OoT3D actually perfect. OoT3D is almost exactly what I want to see out of a remake but they just spoiled the atmosphere.

>>6576062
minish cap is the best zelda

>>6576397
Need to keep the Brand digestible and comfy for the babies

>>6579695
OoT or MM? In OoT, I broke sequence to obtain goodies from later dungeons to use in earlier dungeons. Wasn't a huge difference, but fun enough.

>>6582275
Did you feel like a big man after you did that?

>>6579693
I loved that you could replay aspects of the game. Would have loved it if you could do that in OoT. Maybe the Modloader stuff will give us something good.

>>6582276
I felt like me, but with a smile on my face 'cause I was playing the game in a way that I wanted to.

>>6577439
>fall into a bottomless pit
>hit head and have dreams
Yeah sure thing. Even if it is a dream he's dead just like he's dying in LInk's Awakening.

>>6580468
>the tendency to glitch to start screen in Vaati's castle

I had to download so many emulators just to get that shit to work. Even my old winxp glitches rnadomly with it using visualboyadvance.

>>6582310
Are you sure it’s not like that mark twain book where he gets bonk in a bar fight and travels to future?

>>6582316
You mean Kurt Vonnegut?

>>6582335
Pretty sure it’s “Kurt von Nugget”

>>6582310
Link isn't dying in Link's Awakening though

>>6582406
No he's not dying from dehydration while seeing whales flying through the air after dreaming a giant adventure no less. He's perfectly fine. It's like Narnia surely. Narnia that comes back with you.

>>6582417
Why is it that people suddenly decide to take games very literally at totally random times? Is it just autism?

>>6582423
Literally not an argument. Guess you're admitting I'm right.

>>6582429
Fat chance zoomer! I’m just regrouping to store more energy!

>>6582430
>zoomer
I was born in late 80s.

>>6582417
In Zelda 1 Link is dying because he travels over an entire area including an arid desert and numerous dungeons but he never eats any food or drinks any water it's a real tragic bad ending game.

>>6582436
He was eating the hearts of his kills and drinking their blood. Also eats fairies. Also potions are in that game as they are in all zeldas.

>>6582438
Baseless conjecture, no evidence of such things. Potions aren't food. Cope, my game for kids is really dark and edgy.

>>6582429
>everyone who responds to me on 4chan is the same person
It's just so tiring.

>>6582450
Why don’t you have a rest then guy

>>6582450
>implying I implied that that was the same anon
>using wojaks/pepes in current year

>>6576062
if you apply the project restoration patch to MM it makes it way fucking better

>>6579696
Eh, in my personal opinion the lighting is fine. It messed up the final boss fight a little, but since OOT was a more lighthearted game anyway, it's not as offending as MM.

>>6582630
>>Eh,

I remember you from our conversation on whether or not it's a robot in Chrono Trigger.

>>6582649
No, I'm just Canadian. I often forget to change these small things.

>>6582657
>Canadian's all have an uncontrollable impulse to start their sentences with inane noises

>>6582759
Yessir, it's a vibe check.

Neither are the best Zelda, but OoT is much better at being a Zelda than MM.

10/10 OOT N64
9/10 MM N64 (LACK OF DUNGEONS9

>>6576397
This is it. "Good design" has replaced soul and art

>>6584552
this anon has never designed something in his life

>>6584557
Nerd

I think OOT is the best Zelda ever. I loved the balance between dungeons, exploring, and puzzles. The hype when it came out was just insane too because it was so different than anything that came before. while MM recycled all that OOT made for a new story and a lot of people seem to prefer it nowadays, it just didn’t have the groundbreaking impact that OOT did.

Did anyone hear that story about how Miyamoto claimed he came up with Zelda? When he was a kid he took a lantern into a cave to explore it. So he wanted to capture that feeling. I get that from Zelda I strongly and OOT but not so much from MM.

>>6576062
Ocarina is good. Majora's mask is just a funky rom hack of ocarina that was rushed.

The great thing about Majora's Mask as a sequel is that it doesn't just try to do "Ocarina of Time but better". They're both excellent and very different games, with strengths in different places. It's actually really hard to choose which is better and in the end it doesn't matter much since they're both among the very best in the series.

>>6576109
There is nothing arcade-y about the 2D Zeldas. Just because the combat is simple doesn’t mean it’s arcade-y.

>>6585514
yea mm almost seems to give off the vibe the developers must have felt the rush to finish the game in a year
the design of the game seems to cater to the short time completely