/vr/ - Retro Games

It's not as good as Quake unless you play Doom 64. The atmosphere isn't right, Duke Nukem nailed the atmosphere just right as far as laid back shooting went.

Doom has always been a technical marvel but void of creativity/atmosphere.

>>6555000
Still holds up and ignore anyone that tells you Quake is better

I tried to play Doom but i got bored. I dunno. Old pc game are kind of dull.

Doom is pretty fun.

Play Doom 1 Episode 1 and give yourself a super shotgun if you still hate it don't bother with the rest.

>>6555041
>>6555187
>>6555208
Are any of the 16-bit console ports worth playing or is the original DOS version the only real way to go? I'm not interested in any remakes, mind, I just want to play the core original game.

>>6555000
Yes Doom is the nuts.

>>6555318
DOS version is the way to go. Most console ports compromise on things. Some have exclusive levels, but there are PC mods that add most of them. I would suggest using a source port. Either Chocolate doom for a very vanilla experience, or GZDoom for something that looks prettier. Both run on Linux and Windows, and the game actually looks really good with higher resolutions.

>>6555360
Xbox One/PS4 Beth releases run like champs as did Doom 1 and 2 that were included free with Doom 3 BFG Edition for 360/PS3.

>>6555318
Check out the megathread here. It has all the wads you need. Use GZDoom. And yes it holds up along with Quake

Now that the dust has settled, this Dark Souls of FPSes has objectively aged well

>>6555529
It has soul.

>>6555000
I'm 19, can say that DOOM and DOOM II are fun as hell. I've had an absolute blast playing these games. And the fan maps and map sets just add a lot more replay value.

This question warranted it's own thread. We need at least 7 DOOM threads up concurrently.

>>6555318
if you really want the vanilla experience, aka 35 fps, keyboard steering and 4:3 ratio, get either the DOS version or the bfg edition

>>6555687
hello my dear esl friend
when referring to something related to or owned by a subject called "it", using an apostrophe is a grammatical error
"it's" is a contraction, not a possessive
the correct spelling is "its", without an apostrophe
now with that ouf of the way, cry more bitch nigga

>>6555318
>>6555360

>>6541856

Get this pack, has Quake + 2 expansion packs, Doom 1, 2, 64 (mapset), Sigil and No rest for the living. Also other mandatory DOS games such as Heretic, Hexen, Duke 3D, Wolfenstein etc. All in a ready-to-go package using DosBox.

>>6555000
Yes, it holds up.

>>6555040
>but void of creativity/atmosphere
This person is objectively wrong.

>>6555041
Doom is my favorite, but Quake is a very good game, and I can see why someone would like it better.

>>6555000
They do hold up except you'll most definitely want to play them with mouse aiming and wasd movement, which wasn't really so popular or even common when the game was new.
The default would be keyboard only at the time.
So yeah, it's fun as shit but it's hard to get the real context of things when you change the input method.
Think of playing Goldeneye 007 or Perfect Dark with a keyboard and mouse. For me the result would be a totally different experience from the original.

Its so fun and there is 25 yrs of maps, megawads, mods etc and a couple active multiplayer source ports to play on like zdaemon and zandronum. Im literally mapping right now. Check out "doomkid"s videos on YouTube to get started they are pretty concise.

zDaemon on top

>>6555318
If you just want the vanilla experience, get Chocolate Doom. Mind that you may want to apply a hack/trick to turn off Mouse Movement, because it's slightly annoying. Optionally you can use Crispy Doom, which lets you fix that, and apply a few basic but minor quality of life improvements.

Doom is best played with a mouse for horizontal turning, and a keyboard or gamepad for movement. You can play the original game with keyboard only or gamepad only, it's not too hard, but a mouse is ideal, as it lets you turn with speed and precision.
If you choose to use any advanced port, mind that Doom wasn't really supposed to be played with jumping, crouching, or being able to look up or down, your view is locked horizontally, and a vertical auto-aim lets you compensate for height.

>>6555040
Yes, Quake is a 3D shooter that set the grounds for pretty much everything 3D FPS that the world knows today.
No, Doom is not devoid of atmosphere, much less creativity
>Made the FPS genre wildly popular, inventing mechanics no one dreamed of before
If practically defining a genre is not being creative, I don't know what is
>Devoid of atmosphere
It has one of the most memorable OST's known to men, inverted pentagrams, a sinister ambient where everything is demonic and hostile, killer sound effects, demons scream in agony when you shoot them.
Your character gradually starts becoming a bloody mess the more damage you take. He grins maliciously when you find a bigger gun.
You can hear enemies grunting in the next room waiting to eviscerate you. You get stuck in dark, narrow corridors being jumpscared every 2ft from monsters that come out of nowhere.
It's still one of the most based, devilish atmospheres the gaming industry has ever produced, to this day.
Kids that played it literally got nightmares from the game's horror.
You don't see inverted pentagrams on the walls much these days.

>>6556518
>The default would be keyboard only at the time.
That was really only because a lot of people didn't have enough RAM to run Doom and mouse drivers at the same time, the game was developed with mouse turning in mind, and if you look at the attract mode demos, they are visibly recorded using a mouse.

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>>6556521
The shelf life is outstanding. It cost $40 to order the original registered version in 1993/1994, and the value has been great.

>>6556530
Some people played with the mouse as the character's movement, too.
But the mechanics in Doom aren't based on mouselook, because the height of your shot had zero importance, if your aim was horizontally aligned with the enemy you'd hit it no matter what height.
First FPS where the shot height actually existed and mattered was Quake.

>>6556536
>because the height of your shot had zero importance, if your aim was horizontally aligned with the enemy you'd hit it no matter what height
That's not strictly true, there are situations where it can miss anyway, and there is actually a range limit for the vertical auto aim.

Doom is literally just 3d Gauntlet, especially when you're playing 4 player coop

Doom has extremely solid mechanics, good gameplay, good balance between enemies and weapons. It is not surprising that almost 20 years later, it is still possible to find new maps that use only the vanilla elements of the game and are still stupidly fun.
The original maps are outdated, but for beginners they serve as an introduction to gameplay. And some are are still fun today.

>>6555000
Checked.
>Does it still hold up
Yes. I'm currently going through and recording demos of my favorite custom maps
> https://youtu.be/cQKLpG9Qb5c
For future reference, ask Doom-related questions in the Doom thread, because like this anon pointed out >>6555687 , it's annoying to have multiple Doom threads at once, especially considering you could have asked this question in the Doom thread. Open the catalog, press Ctrl+F to open Find, type "Doom thread" and it will come up

>>6557734
goddamnit i meant to sage, pls forgive me

The best part of Quake is the soundtrack. Prove me wrong.

>>6555000
>I'm 33 years old but I have never played Doom
Faggot. The first PC game I ever really played was Doom II. It was in 94/95 and I was like 10 and my friends completely rednecks boomer dad, dude was a construction foreman, showed me how to run it with the command prompt and play it. "This is how you get to Doom II: He'll on Earth" (in as hillybilly an accent as you can imagine, he always called it by the full title) "Ya gotta shoot these demons now, here's how you move" Was bizarre having this type of guy show me what seemed like futuristic technology, I only has an NES and Genesis and didn't really play them in our schools at the time, just old Apple-IIs. And the game was so cool and brutal and evil it was just the most bad ass thing I ever played.

A few months later my friend said his uncle who was into computers put a bunch of levels and other funny stuff in their Doom and Doom II he downloaded off IRC. I didn't even know what the fuck IRC was at the time, I still hadn't really been online. So I guess that was the first time I played custom wads, only thing I remember is Doomguy saying lines from Ace Ventura when he would kill demons or get shot. Next time I went over there it had stopped doing that. I didn't understand how it did that till I got a computer and internet access in 96 and got into Doom/Doom II myself

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>>6555000
>I'm 33 years old but I have never played Doom.
Stop lying anon

>>6555000
Bet your ass it's good. It's a timeless classic for a reason.

>>6555000
It holds up until you get the level that's literally 4 huge square buildings, that shit is just an annoying keyhunt.

>>6557881
Kakkoii monogatari, onii-chan! Aside from all the obnoxious gay stuff, but thumbs up for Doom.

>>6558016
Learn to navigate

>>6558028
>Learn to
No.

>>6558029
Then go sit on a cactus

>>6558034
>Then go
No.

>>6558037
Eat shit you waste of oxygen

>>6558042
>Eat
No.

>>6555360
>>6555459
>>6556162
>>6556510
Thank you all for such helpful answers!
>>6557881
>Not having the same childhood as me makes you a faggot
Neck yourself.

>>6558097
>>6558025
I was just kidding with the faggot part lads, don't be little faggots about it
>>6557918
Go back faggot

>>6557765
If it wasn't for gameplay very few would've played it to this day. Definitely no thanks to soundtrack. And I don't think you walk around listening to og Quake soundtrack on your player.

>>6557881
Ha its always shocking. thought everybody from the south was dumb when i was a kid too i think media and city slickers promote that stereotype . Then i moved to Texas from Canada for an IT job and realized its basically a mini silicon valley full of incredibly smart people. That accent still throws me off.

>>6557765
Quake has nice music, and amazing sound, but the gameplay is what makes me continue playing.

>>6558016
I don't remember that.

>>6558612
Not him, but sometimes I do just listen to the soundtrack.

>>6559321
Yeah, Texas has a very well developed software and hardware industry with a lot of history in the business.

Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, Quake, Heretic, Hexen, Rise Of The Triad, Shadow Warrior, and Duke Nukem 3D, these were all developed in Dallas, Texas, all relatively close to each other (Raven Software used to be in the same building as iD Software even).

>>6555000
the original version? it's fine and playable, but a source port like GZDoom might make it much more enjoyable for you. just turn off billinear filtering, for the love of god.
try out the shitload of WADs and IWADs that are available; you've got literally 25 years of user made content, and because it's been so long, it'll take forever for you to run out of truly worthwhile content.
also, OG quake aged better than OG doom, but both are equally worth playing today when factoring the source ports that are available today

>>6559689
Yeah i worked for a hosting company. The street i was on had multiple hosting companies then Dell headquarters and others were right down the road. My life consisted of dooming, Linux server admin, guns and hookers. Getting payed that sweet american dollar i had too much money i couldnt spend it. Now I'm back in totalitarian Canada i wish i never left.

>>6562027
Sounds like a very based time

>>6555000

Yes play it. The essentials are:

>Doom
>Quake
>Duke
>Goldeneye
>Perfect Dark

Play GE-PD with:
https://archive.org/details/1964-60FPS-Edition

quad bump