/vr/ - Retro Games

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>>6554727
Sorry I only accept game consoles that terminate in 300ohm forks
Pic related is peak performance

Anyone here have luck with the quality of American brand sets, particularly s-video capable RCA or Zenith sets?

yay I get to post my toshiba 27a41 again!

>rgb

>>6554876
Nice set anon.

>>6554876
Good shadow mask sets deserve more credit

>>6554871
i see someone liked the picture I posted on Reddit of my 13" RCA running NES over Composite :-D

It takes some GPU but I'm currently loving CRT-Royale Kurozumi Edition. To me it looks better than my real Sony consumer set.

>>6555640

Can I fix these bendy lines in the service menu?

>rgb

are there any HDMI/DP to VGA converters that can do interlacing and high resolutions like 1440/1536p?

>>6555921
Mmm yessss colors....

Got one of these the other day for the cost of nothing

>>6556137
Sunix DPU3000.

When they make new games and movies, are they intended for new monitors and tvs? Do they still look good on CRT?

>>6556415
new games and movies are mostly intended for 1080p or 2160p screens, higher res than most CRTs would do. you'd lose detail watching them on a CRT.

My Trinitron HMD A200 PC monitor shows ghosting with white colors on dark backgrounds. I believe that the issue is with the VGA cable, but the cable is part of the monitor, unlike the power cable I cannot unplug it.
Is there any way to actually change the VGA cable? The ghosting is not bad enough to be an issue most of the time, but when playing dark games like Doom 3 is very noticiable.

>rgb

I don't want to sound blasphemous, but are there good ReShade CRT filters?

Do you know any PVM with AR coating? It seems like only consumer crts have it.

>>6556840
PVMs and BVMs don't even have black filters. Their gray screens only look good in dim lit rooms.

Is a 27" Trinitron going to be too heavy for 1 person? I am relatively strong but I also remember how heavy they are.

I found one for free but I don't have a stand or any friends to help

>>6554724

Sony WEGA master race reporting in.

>>6557049
If it's a flat trinitron, a 27 inch set will be in the neighborhood of 100lbs, maybe a bit less. Lighter if it's curved. It should be fine, 27 is the cutoff for most people. 32 and up is an issue because they're also hard or impossible to get your hands around them in a good way for carrying but unless you have t rex arms the 27 should be manageable

>rgb

>>6557141
gosh you are persistent

What's the benefit on playing on a CRT besides natural scanlines

Do games look smoother

>>6557295
It's hilarious just let him post it who cares

>>6557317
Motion clarity, If you don't believe me try searching for a free crt monitor and hook it up to your laptop or whatever via VGA, open up testufo and compare.

>>6556796
I don't think so. But check out XM29.

Posting more XM29 shader porn. The shader that makes people who got PVMemed seethe

No shader

Shader

Without shader

With shader

>>6557049
Get someone to help or get some low trolley to move it.

>>6557375
Nothing beats the glow of the monitor yet still retaining pitch black on blacks, and no input lag, haha

>>6557413
now zoom in close to the monitor

>>6557436
Consoles have a few frames of lag and CRTs have 8ms of lag. Are you talking about using an OLED with runahead? That's the only way I can think of to get almost "no input lag" but you'll still have around 9ms.
>>6557440
Why the hell would you put your face that close to the screen? That can't be good for your eyes.
>zoom
Oh, that explains it.

>>6557375
>XM29 shader
Maybe so, but setting up emulation can be such a pain. There are always games you have to tinker and tweak to get just right. Far better imo to just play original on a cheap CRT

What adapters do I need to convert an HDMI output to RGBHV

>>6557369
Looks good, thank you anon.
>>6557482
>setting up emulation can be such a pain
True, but so is buying a console, the CRT, the games, placing all that stuff, etc.
Not saying that it's not better, but rather inconvenient.

>>6557369
Have you tweaked it in some way? Default has that stupid geometry warping and the colors aren't as vivid like in your pics. But I'm only on 1080p, so it probably doesn't work 100% anyway.

>>6557369
Maybe I'm retarded, but where do I find it?

>>6557547
In RetroArch called CRT-Royale-XM29

>>6557501
Eh, getting a good low latency monitor to make this wothwhile costs a decent amount, but getting a Wii and the first class a brand component crt I can find online costs about $40 (and space, to be fair, unless you manage to net something like pic related)

>>6557571
Not him, can't find it either.

>>6557571
Oh, I thought it was for ReShade.

>>6557596
In the Slang directory only under presets.

>>6557603
Ah, thanks, I was looking in the CRT folder.

>>6557295
>>6557319
>scanlines

>>6557613
>not liking scanlines

>>6557586
If you’re poor, this hobby may not be for you. Just stick to shoddy emulation on a Wii I suppose, lmao.

>>6554724
Am I wrong or are you playing Mega Man Zero on a CRT?

>>6557479
>CRTs have 8ms of lag
Hahahahaha

>>6557616
lol that looks awful

>>6557479
SD TVs operate at a single fixed frequency (15kHz) which means they can natively display either 240p or 480i. EDTV CRTs also operate at a fixed frequency, 33.75kHz (540p/1080i), though they can also accept a 15kHz signal and upscale it to 540p (and further crop/zoom that 540p image to create a 480p image), but that introduces lag and often doesn't look very good with 240p sources.
A multiformat can automatically switch between 15kHz, 31kHz, 45kHz (240p/480i, 480p, and 720p respectively) based on the signal it receives, so it does not need to further process the signal before displaying it, brainlet.

>>6557479
>CRTs have 8ms of lag.

>>6555640
>To me it looks better than my real Sony consumer set.

>>6557479
>CRTs have 8ms of lag
zoom zoom

>>6554724
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmtmWk3puGg&list=LLm03lBVu1M3FkhkoNm2KBTg&index=24&t=0s

>>6557479
The fuck? Stop huffing glue.

>>6557808
How much lag are you under the impression they have, little zoomer? Did you think your magical new PVM instantly displays phosphors the exact same moment it receives the signal? Or that it happens in less than a few ms? Try doing some basic googling kiddo before you make yourself look any stupider

>>6557617
Says the pc emulator user? I would at least understand that statement if you used scalers but you aren't even using real hardware.
>>6558021
Analog video is nearly instantaneous, it's how light guns work. That applies to all standard definition sets, from professional sets to rf only paperweights.

>>6557479
>>6558021

The 8ms is an average number if a measurement of refresh rate of 60Hz at dead center of the frame given over given time.

In an analog CRT, the image is written to the first line of the screen as fast as it is received, with only 'nanoseconds' of delay for the signal to traverse the wiring from input to the electron gun. Digital signals need processing power and memory to prepare the frame for display, this is where 'milliseconds' of input lag occurs in digital displays.

While the original statement is true, it is false equivalency with respect to refresh lag and input lag. The latter of which a CRT is effectively zero and excels at for vidya.

>>6558119
Thank you for proving my two points, that
1. it takes 8.33 ms for a CRT to show the image (fully), and
2. you are retarded
With your (retarded) logic, my LCD has only .7ms of lag. In reality, it takes 9ms for my LCD to show the image.

Let me explain it in simpler terms for the zoomer brain.
If we take a slow motion camera, hook up the CRT and LCD to the same input, what will we see happen?
We will see the CRT image fully appear only .7ms sooner than the LCD image appears.
This fact makes CRT owners assmad because they never knew this, and it defeats one of their main purposes for owning such shitty hipster technology.
>>6558086
>>6558001
>>6557937
>>6557909
BTFO.
A 9ms LCD only takes .7ms more than a CRT does to display input. This is a scientific fact that can be witnessed in real life, outside of the fantasy of your PVMaginations.

>>6558165
Not only are you wrong, but you're also really embarrassing.

>>6557616
Dorris! Open the damn blinds, I can't see the Marios again!

>>6558171
>n-no!
Feeling humiliated again are you? What’s the matter, can’t form an argument or cite specific facts yourself? Aw, diddums.

Do I have to ensure any settings besides converting a HDMI signal down to RCA/component?

>>6558339

Quit owning yourself and go back to /v/ with what dignity you have left.

>>6558165
>A 9ms LCD only takes .7ms more than a CRT does to display input. This is a scientific fact that can be witnessed in real life, outside of the fantasy of your PVMaginations.

More like 33ms on average.

>>6558165

For the love of god stop giving that moron attention and just post things that are on-topic. Let him drown in his own ridiculousness, he's not worth your time.

Finally found a CRT smaller than 20 inches with s-video/component. Took me a few weeks of pruning every site I could find that would sell CRTs. Got it free too, kind of ridiculous how much people will gouge prices for sets these sizes.

>>6558431
>>6558435
I was hoping you would BTFO yourself further and embarrass yourself even more in front of everyone for us all to laugh at even more.
Now, let's read my post again which you quoted
>A 9ms LCD
Now let's see what you compared to a CRT. Not a 9ms LCD! Oh no, you're wrong again and proved it yourself!
In fact, you didn't even post the model of that LCD whatsoever. You just pulled an irrelevant example out of your ass that doesn't have to do with anything.
Now, try that test with a 9ms LCD and see what happens. Go on. What happens? What's the result? Oh how sad, you can't answer this question because it proves my point and ruins yours.

Yes, a 9ms LCD against a CRT shows that there is less than 1ms of difference, and it makes you seeeeethe.

Anyone here have experience with RCA/Zenith sets? Are their high end s-video ones any good?

>>6558456
Nice man.
What brand, got any pics of it in action?

>
As a result of this test I can conclude that in fact there is a very little input lag on the 120Hz LCDs like ViewSonic VX2268wm compared on what you get on a good CRT display, but still there is some, even if it is very little. Now I’m talking about a very minor input lag and by that I mean something like 1 or 2 milliseconds at most
>1 or 2 milliseconds at most
OH NO NO NO NONONONO
CRT BROS IT CANT BE TRUE
WHAT IS THIS
https://3dvision-blog.com/tag/120hz-lcd/page/5/

>As a result of this test I can conclude that in fact there is a very little input lag on the 120Hz LCDs like ViewSonic VX2268wm compared on what you get on a good CRT display, but still there is some, even if it is very little. Now I’m talking about a very minor input lag and by that I mean something like 1 or 2 milliseconds at most
>1 or 2 milliseconds at most
OH NO NO NO NONONONO
CRT BROS IT CANT BE TRUE
WHAT IS THIS
https://3dvision-blog.com/tag/120hz-lcd/page/5/

>>6556307
How's it holding up?

>>6558478
I mean, who cares. It's one metric. I'm sure it sucks vs a CRT in some other category.

Am I the only one who would gladly get rid of my CRT if there was a display that matched or bettered it in every category? Like, usually for free, you can get a display that will show any /vr/ console at it's native output res with no scaling etc required, is basically the baseline for "no" input lag, has contrast, viewing angle, colors that are only matched or beat by plasma/OLED, and has NO motion blur outside of phosphor trails. Wake me up when there's a display that can do everything a CRT can, as good or better, simultaneously.

>>6558457
>9ms LCD
>9ms LCD
>9ms LCD
>9ms LCD
>9ms LCD
>9.3ms LCD
>9ms LCD

>>6558462
It's a Toshiba AF, besides some geometry problems because flat, it's actually in great shape. It's bright to the point where it actually hurts my eyes though.

I need to make some adjustments after getting back home because I had to travel a bit to go get it and I'm crashing at a friend's place. Here's a shitty pic of PS1 composite.

>>6558478
It's been this way for a while, and the difference isn't enough to matter which is why esports competitions with millions of dollars at stake haven't used them since the beginning of the last decade. CRTs still have their place as retro displays probably forever, but when stuff like microLEDs come in that match or exceed CRTs with nanosecond response times that allow it to have similar "zero lag" times which will also result in similar motion clarity, it will be impossible to recommend CRT usage outside of its niche.

>>6558523
I got rid of mine because of the high pitched noise they emit. It’s so nice having silent LCDs even if the motion isn’t technically as good. I play a lot of RPGs so I don’t really care about motion.

>>6558594
Honestly this is how I remember my games looking like

>>6554724

>>6557893
Even SD TVs at 15kHz have 8.33ms before they display the full image.
Brainlet.

>>6558935
It wouldn't be parsing anything, there would be nothing to lag it would just display it 1:1, great bait though

>>6558998
So according to you how many ms would it take for the input signal to display (completely) on the screen? The signal would just instantly transport faster than the speed of light?
Retard.

>>6559008
That guy already anally raped you with the explanation for the refresh "lag", even though the original statement was about controller input lag retard lmao

>>6558613
this image is wrong though
there are no LCD panels that can go as quick as 1ms or below, its just impossible, that's marketing bullshit

>>6558339
No, you're just retarded. You didn't provide an argument, just foolish nonsense undeserving of anything but criticism.

>>6559171
>there are no LCD panels that can go as quick as 1ms or below, its just impossible, that's marketing bullshit
CRTards really don't understand anything. I'll explain it for you.
They're measuring lag in the same way people do here when they say CRTs have "0" lag. Actually, CRTs have 8ms lag and actually those LCDs with "1ms" lag have 9ms lag, but it depends on how you measure it.
You're right, they're basically spewing marketing bullshit and being deceptive. But ironically you've just pointed out that the people here claiming CRTs have "no lag" are doing the same thing, spewing bullshit and being deceptive.
>>6559020
>even though the original statement was about controller input lag retard lmao
No. It's not about controller lag. You don't know what you're talking about lmao

>>6557089
That looks like really good geometry for a flat set did you get it like that or fiddle with the service menu?

>>6559692

20FV300 from the factory. Only thing I've done in service menu is adjust the color drive. One solid consumer set.

>>6560325
Good shit

>>6557440
>scanlines

Why do games look smoother on a CRT vs emulated?

>>6561262
When you view a pixel on a digital display, it’s displayed as a perfect square without any influence from surrounding pixels or distortion from the cable used to transmit it to the display. On a CRT, this isn’t the case.

>>6561262
Carts don't have perfectly square / sharp "pixels", the parts of them that get lit up by the electron gun aren't perfectly round, they're also seperated by a grille/mask.

Also most video connectors used besides pure rgb or component are blurrier than pure digital to digital, this is even seen on hd scalers that take "lesser" connectors as inputs.

>>6561332
That looks like shit. Is it emulation or what setup is it?

Got an old SHVC SNES and recently its started to have wind like distortion on my CRT (29" Megaview). I tried a different AC adapter, still does it. I recapped it a couple of years ago and checked all the solder points and they're still good. I read the "7805" regulator might be noisy and I can replace it or add caps, but the website said the regulator causes the white vertical bars (and I have wind). I tried a couple different carts and the wind distortion is always there. Slowly rolls up and down the screen. Any ideas?

>>6561643
Is this a CRT filter on a computer monitor?
It's like looking through a screen door

>>6562380
No, bad angle or camera or just the pvm is too small. They all look better in person anyway

My crt just started randomly switching to black and white for a few seconds and then back to color. I've seen some videos that say all you have to do is re-solder the main chip to make it stable again, but I've never tried it. Anyone got experience with this and can confirm it?

Well, that's it. The audio on my philips broke.

>>6563354
Buy a av reciver and some good speakers, screw the inbuilt speakers

>>6563560
That actually can be a good idea. I have an old av, also philips if I remember correctly, and a 5.1 dvd player. Thanks, anon.

>>6563575
wats the best cheapest crt to buy

I got this CRT that appears to be in nearly perfect condition but has tearing like lines on certain parts of the screen. When turned off, there doesn't appear to be any damage to the glass and there is some gunk since I just recently obtained it from some guy who was keeping it in his garage. DO I just need to clean it up or is there possibly something wrong internally with the screen? They kind of look like thin scratches but also appear like static I can't tell and I'm kind of new to this.

>>6563687
Sounds like scratches. Did you try running your fingernail over the lines? You could also try shining a flashlight at the screen. Any scratches/defects on the scratch will cast shadows.

Anyone happen to know a working retropi 4B config file for a pvm 14m2u

>>6563592
free ones are generally pretty easy to find on Facebook marketplace / Craigslist. Usually they are free because they're one of the larger "need two people to move it" sets to the point where it is a physical burden on space to keep it.

>>6563801
If that is the case, are there ways to resolve that without noticeably effecting the screen?

>>6563801
>>6564002
I checked again like you suggested, and there does appear to be what is faint but observable scratches. They become very noticeable against light backgrounds though. I might have some ideas about what to do but if you know a good suggestion I would appreciate that.

I'm perfectly happy with my Sony Trinitron EXCEPT I would really love to have progressive 640x480 on it (it only does 480i), specially now that I managed to hook a PC to it. Is there any similar consumer TV that does 480p, or should I switch to a CRT Monitor? What would be the closest thing available in a range of 21"~24"? Ideally flat.

>>6565754
I still have my old IBM p275 monitor. think its 21 inch flat. Bought cheap as refub back in 2005. Had my 360 hooked up to it for years. Best thing ever for playing CoD. Thing supports up to 2048 x 1536.

>>6565960
I'll keep an eye on those. Thanks for the tip.

>>6565754
Is this a US model?
I've had 3 Trinitrons, no issues on 480p.

>>6567259
Mine isn't the one on the picture exactly, but it's good to know there are Trinitrons compatible with 480p out there. But no, I'm not in the US, that might be a factor.
Do you have the exact models of the ones you've had?

Are you supposed to use screensavers on PC monitors?

Why is it so fucking hard to find a CRT that's new enough to take YPbPr but now new enough to be HD

>>6567748
It's better to just turn them off when not in use.
>>6568163
I have 3 SD TVs with YPbPr inputs just sitting in my closet. Where are you looking?

>>6568185
Damn you're lucky. I'm in Massachusetts. The big issue with finding them up here is that pawn shops are basically illegal, I saw more when I was out west

>>6554724
Can anyone recommend me some 14" or below crts? I only have limited room where i'm at. Pic related is my current tv. Nes and Snes games look really good but my ps2 looks like ass.

>>6564013
It can be done effectively with minor scratches. One method involes buffing the glass with some sort of chemical. Apparently it's a long, laborious process. Some CRTs have an anti-glare layer over the screen. Peeling that off the screen can actually "fix" scratches as well since the scratches are actually on the plastic covering rather than the glass tube. I've done the latter with several of my "scratched" monitors.

>>6568196
I'm in California so that makes sense. I got mine by going door to door in my neighborhood. I'd just tell people I could take old TVs off their hands and they were often happy to oblige. Have you tried second-hand video game stores? I got a 30" Panny with component for 50 bucks from a local store.

is it worth it to emulate games on a crt from a wii? im a poorfag that doesn't wanna buy a $70 snes flashcart and emulating shit on a pc just doesn't "feel right", excuse my autism.

>>6567269
Not that anon you are talking to, but to my knowledge no SD consumer CRT does 480p. You'll have to look at HD CRTs and CRTs that support multiformat (specific pvm and bvm models).

>>6568226
From my experience it's fine. Though for some reason playing on original hardware feels better but I don't know why. But yeah, it's fine. I did that for a while and enjoyed myself.

>>6568221
Definitely gotta go to more video game stores, the only one I go to regularly is too small for TVs but there are more in town

>>6568228
Aren't HD CRTs inherently shitty?

>>6568228
This is the answer I expected and mostly wanted to confirm. Thanks. That narrows it down enough.

>>6568278
I've heard they are shitty for 240p and 480i games but I'd imagine they'd be pretty good for HD stuff.

>>6568206

Sony KV-13FS100 or KV-13FS110

What's a good display if I want to be able to do use YPbPr component cables to put out a 480p signal? I know most consumer displays don't do it

>>6568414
To add on to this, Toshiba 14AF(40 to 45) and JVC AV-14F(702 to 704).

Are subwoofer vibrations bad for CRTs, PC or regular?

Anons, are CRTs bad for your health?

>>6568228
Does that mean there is no actual consumer grade crt compatible with progressive scan for certain games on a system like the gamecube?

>>6568213
Do you know how I can check if it has a filter over the screen? And if not, what would the process be to clean small scratches? I have some material like glass polish scratch remover chemicals, that you can use to make glass clearer for car lights, windows and things like that. But I don't know if that is compatible with the specific type of glass of crt glass that I'm looking at here. This is a Sony Wega Triniton btw. Could it also withstand things like glasses polisher used for glasses? Because the screen is also a bit dirty in general and I need to fix that problem as well.

I've got a 27-inch panasonic; s-video, nice and bright, slight geometry issues. The only problem I have with it is that the image quality is so grainy compared to screenshots posted here. I don't remember my old tubes being so grainy when I was younger. Could the cables be causing the effect?

>>6554724
If I want to emulate a PS1 game on my laptop and connect it to my CRT, would one of these HDMI to Composite converters do the trick?

>>6555890
No. You, like me, will have to open the fucking thing up, reseat the yoke, and get better placement on the magnetic strips to get the edges correct.

>>6569854
It would, but gross. At least try it on a hacked psp with a cables or something.

>>6569854
When it comes to connecting a PC to a CRT-TV, nothing short of a signal converter + crt_emudriver setup is worth your money or trouble. It's not just the signal conversion

Those cheap cable adapters can at best force a blurry downscale from your native higher resolution, it's not gonna magically adapt your output resolution to what it should be. In short, it's not gonna look nowhere near what you're expecting from a "true CRT TV setup". Might as well just play on your laptop's screen.

If you're determined to get the most of your favorite CRT-TV, here's a few links:

>crt-emudriver guide and list of compatible video cards:
http://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?id=295

>VGA to Component cables/Transcoder:
- Retrotek VGACTV1 (https://www.ebay.ca/itm/VGA-to-Component-Transcoder-Retrotek-VGACTV1-/192116647418?_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l10137&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true))
Probably the easier one to find. Comes in a nice metal box. Expensive.
- Keep an eye on the eBay seller "linuxbot3000". He doesn't have anything listed at the moment, but he sold a much cheaper and smaller alternative, much better if you plan to keep it inside your PC and not as an additional box.

(I have both. Both work exactly the same)

If you don't currently own a CRT-TV you plan to use, it's easier if you just get a CRT PC monitor and skip all the cable/transcoder issues.

>>6569672

The answer to your question is in the post you relied to.

Finished Girlfriend of Steel (Saturn) today, was pretty solid. It felt like an extra episode of the TV series.

>>6570769
Definitely worth a play-through if you're a fan of Eva. No idea if it's available in English, but I think the PSP port of the sequel might be (lol)

>rgb

>>6554724
Are there any CRT repair services that can take jobs from around the world?
I live in the Philippines but I wanna get my CRT fixed, but unfortunately, the CRT repair services here are quite shoddy, if they are still around to begin with (and you would only find them in lower-class places because Philippines is a cyberpunk dystopia in real life).

I just wanna get my CRT shipped from the Philippines to the US or UK to get it maintained.

>>6570326
>CRT PC monitor
What's the point

>>6570375
Well I saw what he said but I guess I'm asking for clarification purposes because I'm wondering what it is that people used to take advantage of resolutions beyond 480i that many games supported on the consumer end for crt TVs. Was it just something almost no one ever utilized?

>>6570875
Play videogames on it at the right resolution, I assume

>>6570883
But it still won't be the right resolution.

>>6570882

By that point LCD's were beginning to corner the market and HD-CRTs with their 480p support were also available though quickly being phased out by LCD. So that was your options if you wanted 480p.

>>6571035
Ah, I see.

Does anyone know how to enter the service menu for this bad boy? It's a Samsung TX-R2035. I know one exists but I can't seem to find the code.

>>6569827

An improperly wired S-Video cable can produce a checkerboard effect.

480i isn't bad if you have a ps2. it looks a e s t h e t i c

>>6555640
CRT Royale makes games so comfy. Does any CRT shader do anything better?

>>6571303
>CRT shaders

Let's slap exhaust speakers on my electric car...

>>6570869
That would be extremely expensive to ship depending on the size, even a 14inch one would be insanely expensive to pack and ship properly, you could just find another crt for a fraction of the price of even free in that shithole of a country.

>>6554724
I made a PS2 RGB Scart cable and everything with it seems fine, but wherever the color gray is on the screen, i see a snow like effect that is not that visible, but annoying. It is especially visible on the browser/memory card screen as the whole screen is gray. Is this normal? Maybe just a crt thing, as it is visible through a stock composite cable too. The issue persists whether or not i have 220uf caps on the rgb lines. TV is a Sony Trinitron 21 inch that is new to me. Thanks.

>>6571196
thanks for the response. I am using some generic multi-system cable from gamestop that I bought years ago.

>rgb

Should I buy it for half a dollar in russian currency?

>>6572341
I'm retarded, I'ts $5. But still.

>>6572341
if you have the space, why not

>>6572349
It's small (which is not a bad thing if we're talking about old pc games and emulation) and it's 60hz. I'm not sure, but I think my old iiyama was 120hz. Not 60 or 75 that's for sure.

>>6554724
How is a 1:1 aspect ratio screen for retro gaming? is it a meme? Should I just go for 4:3

>>6572423
Imagine allowing this question to boggle your pea brain for even one second

>>6554876
What game?

>>6558594
Not a fan of the brown-ification that composite does to reds, but this image is well-blended.

>>6572428
i lost my brain bro

Should I buy a NEC multisync XV17+ for $18
it has an integrated VGA cable that is wonky. can I just yank it out and replace it?

>>6554724
will a crt hurt my eyes/give me cancer!?!?

>>6572041
No noise on gray for me using RGB SHART cables without caps connected to a BVM. Might be the TV.

>>6569674
You'll have to remove the front bezel/mask so you can get a good look at the edges of the tube. If there's an anti-glare layer, you'll see it pretty easily. Once you get a bit peeled up you just pull the rest off. Use an x-acto knife to get it started.
I can't help you with the scratch removal stuff because I don't have any experience doing that but there are videos and guides on the net.

>>6572523
I picked this tv up from a garage sale, so the odds that the previous owner tampered with that are unlikely. Is it known if Sony Wegas carried anti-glare filters? Because if so, this one probably would still have it because there's no way the previous owner messed with any of that.

how will running a vga cable through a dvi adapter affect video quality/lag and all that? is an hdmi adapter better? my card doesn't have vga in.

>>6570885
It would if you have crt_emudriver. By my last comment I only meant you could do without a signal transcoder

Not trying to troll, just genuinely curious what the appeal is of playing on a CRT instead of just using a retrotink on an HDTV. The only reason I can think of is the lack of input lag, but I don't even notice any when I play on my HDTV

>>6572531
>Sony Wega
Many do have an anti-glare protective film on them. What's the model? The user manual would probably tell you if it does. Keep in mind that removing the anti-glare sheet will make the screen noticeably shinier. Shouldn't be a problem when gaming in a dark room.

>>6572801
Literally autism and nostalgia.

>>6572801
Input lag is very real with retro consoles. Its not some autism minute shit. I was blown away at how sluggish some fightinggames felt

>>6573308
Were you using a .2ms LCD?

>>6572436
mad stalker

>YPbPr to RGBS converters are expensive as fuck
what the hell? i thought the signals were similar.

>>6572801
Shar pixels are ugly as shit.
Also, see: >>6557227

>>6557512
Geometry warping could be you enabling PGXP which you should only enable on certain games
Also you need to enable Integer Scale for royale and I have a 1080p monitor too, make it 1600x1200 which does cut a few pixels off the top and bottom

>>6573720
forgot pic

Heres a shitty photo of my 14L5

What's the best way to connect my PC to my 20L5? I just wanna watch my pirated anime on it.

>>6573812
a simple hdmi to ypbpr converter will do the trick, but do check what frequencies your pvm can handle (and what resolution it can display) if you don't want to fry it.

>>76592273
got this but the image is still unsharp
I already adjusted all the trim pots I could find
>>76641920
but it doesn't do much at all
Is this normal?
Is there a way to combat the sharpness issue?

Thread got deleted
this is the monitor I got

even in a dark room blacks don't actually appear black
Is this related to my video card?

>>6574050
This has absolutely nothing to do with CRTs or retro video games, you retarded faggot.

>>6574052
what if I use this monitor for video games

>>6574050
The brightness is up way high, turn that shit down.

>>6574127
But it's all the way down

>>6574127
OK. I think I get you, Anon. I need to turn the brightness all the way to zero to obtain absolute black

>>6574251
>>6574296
No need to get sarcastic, I may as well assume with "this is the monitor I just got" that you may not realise that brightness and contrast adjustments don't work the same as they do on an lcd monitor, whenever I reply to any questions I always assume they're a mouth breathing retard because its easier to start at the most basic solution.

>>6574050
jesus christ how are people so bad at setting up TV's

>>6574050
If you're using an HDMI to VGA converter, it could be that.

>>6573692
>that's why i mentioned the retrotink, because it has a smoothing option

>>6575397
whoops. didn't mean to greentext

>>6572904
It's a Sony WEGA KV-20FS120 20" CRT Television

>>6557616
>somebody, somewhere, thinks this is how games were meant to be played

>>6572474
SOMEONE HELP ME

>>6571303
I've been using Lottes, is Royale really better?

>>6575645
Yes. Just try it for yourself.

>>6575701
Which Royale? There's like 8

>>6571346
A more apt analogy would be putting a DAC on your audio set up

Best shader I think is ntsc-256px-gauss

I don't have my SNES hooked up to compare to, but it seems closest to my memory of how it looked

>>6573761
the illuminated buttons on the sides give this monitor such a cool aesthetic
do want

if I already have a perfectly good S-video cable, is it worth investing $30 into an hd memetrovision component cable?

>>6576119
Nah, s-video is fine, even preferable.

>>6575720
I use crt-royale-xm29plus.slang. it is under
shaders_slang/presets/
>>6571303
>CRT Royale makes games so comfy. Does any CRT shader do anything better?
Does anybody know of a better one or is it really peak shader?

>>6574739
Nah. I was using an old shitty Nvidia card on Windows. With my newer amd card (also analog out) it looks how it should be

>>6576119
for SNES? not really. unless maybe you want to free up the tv's svid input for a different console. if the saturation is set correctly it's practically the same quality

How can i connect stuff to an imac g3 in order to use it like a regular screen? Like as a monitor or a tv. While still allowing it to function as a computer otherwise.
I want to connect it with composite cables too. For my consoles

>>6576248
At the moment it’s the best, I don’t think it can get too much better
Yeetron is pretty good, it’s used on sonic mania I think

>>6576334
Without opening it up and nigrigging the insides entirely to cut out the mac component and just make it a dummy tube somehow no, it has no video in and most models didn't even have a video out. Someone has probably figured out how to nigrig the insides.

>>6576248
Crt-Royale is the best shader if you know how to tweak it.
Here are some screenshots I made at 8k: https://postimg.cc/gallery/v8xdsLr.. (filesizes are too big to post in this thread)
Obviously, 8k is very slow even with today's hardware. 1440p or 4k already are plenty enough to do aperture grille but they are not enough to do slotmask.

Do these work good?

>>6577027
yes I have one. I'm not sure if it looks all that good, though -- it's been a while.

>>6577027
It works, but you'll still be taking a 480p signal and passing it through to a 1080p screen, so temper your expectations accordingly. Also mine has an annoying audio buzz, not sure if that's a common problem or I was just unlucky.

>>6577037
>>6577204
Is there also one of these for the original Xbox?

>>6577508
Yup, you'll have to do your own research though. I have no clue about the quality.

>>6577027
It doesn't handle dark screens well. Mine has video noise that's noticeable on dark colors. But once you're in a game it looks fine.

>>6577529
Oh, I have a OLED tv, sounds like it will be quite shit on it.

>>6576952
Retroarch noob here, how do I run it at 8k? I only have a 1080p screen and have just been setting SNES games to their lowest res, I think 240 or something, since that's what they were originally (again, I think)

>>6577885
First find and change these lines found in retroarch.cfg to this:

>aspect_ratio_index = "22"
>video_fullscreen_x = "5760"
>video_fullscreen_y = "4320"
>custom_viewport_width = "5760"
>custom_viewport_height = "4320"

This is basically 320x240 times 18, but I also just found out that you won't get any scaling artifacts at 8k if you throw other resolutions at it such as 256x224 (SNES) or 320x224 (Genesis).
Next, choose a game then select the shader.
Then go to Settings -> video -> scaling, and set aspect ratio to "custom". Now it will output the 8k resolution.
After that go fullscreen by pressing "f" and then f8 to take a screenshot.

You can find my shader config here:
Aperture grille: https://pastebin.com/qvaKjUR7
Slotmask: https://pastebin.com/x4deJ6Cx
Save it as what-ever-you-want-to-call-it.glslp in the root of your shaders folder.

>>6576842
Wrong

Can anyone tell me if you need an original remote to a tv to access its service menu? I think I found a service menu code for my Samsung TX-r2035 but I can't access with my remote despite having all of the needed buttons.

I bet I haven't used my snes in close to ten years, was so pleasantly surprised to see my old 100% save was still there

>>6575521
>Sony WEGA KV-20FS120
I'm fairly certain that model still had the anti-glare coating. You should be able to peel it off after removing the front bezel. Use an x-acto knife to get it started.

>>6578183
you don't need the original. some universal remotes are more compatible than others. Some tvs give access from the face buttons on the set also.

>>6573402
Not him but I use the lowest ms led possible to own shitters on fightcade. Every form of emulation ever has always had very noticeable lag. As soon as i tried real hardware the difference was insane. It isn't a meme but it definitely isn't worth it

>>6572474
>>6575637
Bait shitpost but I used to get cluster headaches and daily migraines for months. Recently after getting a crt they've almost completely gone away. Is it related? Fuck no but just sayin

>>6576119
for consoles with native YPbPr output? yes
for consoles too old for it i'd separately buy an RGB SCART cable, RGB to YPbPr transcoder and good component cables

>>6572474
If you play in the dark yes you will fuck up your eyes because your pupils dilate

Does japanese rf work with american tvs and monitors?

>>6578171
>Wrong
enlighten me then

>>6578087
Thanks fren, I'll give it a try

>>6579317
Ew, why would you use rf?

>>6579931
Can you fuck off man

>>6577027
I bought one and it was getting red noise over certain colors. I got a refund and got a hyperkin cable that works much better

>>6579317
Yes but instead of channel 3 it's channel 93, or something like that

As a relative outsider to the CRT scene (I basically got the two monitors I wanted and didn't bother looking for more), it amuses me to see the shift in desires, or maybe lowered expectations. It used to be "holy grails" were things like Sony BVMs, decently sized Sony PVMs, NEC XM/XP29, and other pro monitors, now I see posts where a consumer set is looked at as a top tier desired item.

How much longer before 15" kitchen-tier TV/VCR combos are seen as desirable sets commanding $100+?

>>6581787
I think professional monitors are still "Grails", but no one wants to pay a premium for them. My local craigslist and facebook marketplace is still full of free Trinitons, wegas, and other consumer sets here in socal. I think most people consider scoring a free Trinitron a bigger score than finding someone willing to sell their 20L5 for a grand.

>>6579171
Is this just a crt thing, or should I stop using my PC in the dark too?

Can you guys id this one? Someone is selling it for 10 bucks online. But they are refusing to make the effort to measure it or give me a model number

What's the best way to hook up a Dreamcast to one of these old monitors? Do I need a VGA box or will any vga cable with a female to female adapter work just as well? Any tips regarding audio would also be appreciated.

>>6581880
https://youtu.be/iLkN2AZLBMA

>>6581880
>wat da bes way too

>>6577027
I'd recommend using composite instead

>>6571190
try other models code, like mute-1-8-2-Power

>>6554724
Guys, I'm moving this month to my own house and want to get a decent CRT for everything up to PS2.

Thing is, I'm not from states and I can't get trinitrons over here. Is there a decent alternative? I have some old toshiba, but it ain't too good

>>6581917
Yes purchase a PVM on evay and have it shipped to you.

>>6581874
Dude, don’t waste your time. There’s obviously something wrong with it, or the person will be an ass the entire time if they’re not even going to give you the model number

>>6579948
No, fuck you. Don’t use rf

>>6581998
Only option
>>6581939
Nope. There's nothing wrong with it moron

>>6558504
Really well.
Been trying to find out how to sort out overscan as a tiny bit of the top of the screen is off when its ran via SCART

>>6557369
This is like black fucking magic holy fuck. It's most apparent on the globe too.

>>6581880
get a VGA cable from aliexpress and don't fall for the scammers telling, you need 100$ VGA box since Dreamcast natively outputs VGA, you only need a cable. I have a chink cable and works well no artifacts or any bullshit.

>>6582250
>blue swirl
good lad
>>6581880
I use my dreamcast on that exact same monitor, dell e771p.

>>6581874
>>6581995
Update, I randomly got a picture of the back after saying she couldn't.
Looks like it's a kv-20v80

Seems kinda crusty though, and I'm starting to worry about the condition

>>6582028
Well get a better option then doofus

>>6581880
A cheap-o VGA cable off Ebay.
Almost all games support it, those that dont have been patched.
Sound wise, just get some speakers

>>6582250
I had one of those VGA cables and honestly it looked like shit. Maybe just a quality control issue and not a widespread problem, though.

>>6554724

>>6583809
Looking good m8

>>6572341
What's the difference between crt monitors and crt tvs? Will emulated games look better on crt monitor or do I still need a tv for that and it's only good for pc games?

Well, can you?

>>6572341
I have a black model, pretty good monitors, if it's cheap, I'd say yeah it's worth it.

https://youtu.be/iLkN2AZLBMA
>scanlines

>>6584512
I've found even better one I think
https://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-syncmaster-765mb-crt-monitor-17-series/
And also for less than $5.

>rgb

>>6584443
>big whirring noise of safety
>minimal delay
>too heavy for rioters to steal

>>6584376
The difference is that you need to jump through a lot of hoops to connect a PC to a standard definition tv meanwhile connecting it to a VGA crt monitor will work right out of the box. The same is somewhat true vice versa, it's a pain to connect old consoles to a computer monitor without a line doubler or whatever.

If you want to emulate with a crt look you can either take a homebrew Wii and play on a crt tv or grab a PC and play it on a crt monitor with a low resolution set in the settings

>>6584443
Low end sets are good, zero chance of being rebadged crap marked up, they all sit at either an acceptable level of quality or above. This was Sony at their peak doing pretty much everything in-house.

maybe this is heresy to ask, but how do you guys feel about composite for games with heavy dithering, like MGS or silent hill?

>>6584443
Even Sony's low end sets are good, the baseline of quality is generally higher than all the other brands around it. Sony didn't mark up anything lower tier manufacturers, needing to use their patented special sauce meant doing it all in-house with their Bubble economy cash.

Shadow mask sets weren't "inferior" to Trinitron sets but it's much easier to find a shit shadow mask than a bad Trinitron.

>>6585205
Intentionally switching my consoles back to composite for a video effect is too cumbersome for me to want to care tbhq

>>6584796
good points anon lol!

Help me decide, /vr/, this one
>>6584571
https://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-syncmaster-753dfx-crt-monitor-17-series/
or this one
>>6572341
?
The former is 1600×1200 but I'm checking the reviews now, and one says it has minor geometric problems.

Help me decide, /vr/, this one
>>6584571 (You)
or this one
>>6572341 (You)
https://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-syncmaster-753dfx-crt-monitor-17-series/
?
The former is 1600×1200 but I'm checking the reviews now, and one says it has minor geometric problems.

how bad is vga-dvi adapter? does running those cables through an adapter affect the picture/lag?
the only crt monitor near me is a 15" dell for $20

>>6585635
I have a vga hdmi adapter and I think it's really bad.

>rgb

I love this Royale xm29 shader but can anyone tell me why I get these thick lines across the screen with it? You can see it best here in the black part. I've tried adjusting all parameters and can't get rid of them.

>>6585656
Because
>1920×1080

>>6585656
Try turning on integer scaling in the video settings. Uneven scaling is more apparent at lower resolutions such as 1080p.
Also, the PSP outputs 480x272. 272 * 4 = 1088 which is very close to 1080. You can try setting the height to 4x. This should only cut off 8 lines in total.

>>6585659
What resolution should I be using?

>>6586103
Integer fixes it, but I guess there's no way to use it and be full screen? Though now I notice some lines when I use PS1 core with this shader.

>>6586539
4k. Not joking.

>>6585656
Is that what an XM29 looks like? I use an XP29 and the scanlines and overall image are sharper than that.

>>6586746
I don't have a 4k display. I can't even set it to that in the options, apparently.

>>6586826
Yeah, it's the one under presets. What is XP29? I can't find that one.

>>6587021
I understand. All I'm saying it was made for 4k resolution. I've seen people say it looks good on 1440p too, but can't say anything about it.

I got memed into picking up 2 CRTs recently but they both have a high pitched noise that’s annoying, is there any way to get rid of it

>>6587042
That looks sexy

>>6587061
Tinnitus

>>6587061
Stop being audio cucked.

>>6587021
XP29 is another NEC monitor. And I meant the look of the actual set, not shaders.

>>6587061
Grow old.

first-timer, got a 20" JVC for $10. I dunno how to take a better picture of it with a phone but I'm pretty happy with it

Finally got me an Extron to connect my PVM but it didn't come with a power supply

What do I do

>>6587042
>>6587063
I don't remember where I found it but this one looks even better.

My friends, which of these two is more closer to the authentic CRT experience?

I want to get it right before I start FF5.

>>6587619
Of these two — left.

>>6587619
None
2:41
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br6HtislxjE

>>6587629
You must be 18 to post here

>>6587641
>of these two
Fuck off, imbecile. Literally fucking imbecile.

>>6587641
>This is a Startech USB3HDCAP capture test.
Also, kill yourslef, дoлбoёб блядь.

>>6587641
Thanks, yeah it doesn't HAVE to be between those two, but those are the two shaders I've found that I thought looked nicest. In the video it doesn't look like either composite or s-video show scanlines. I'm just trying to find a good one to use.

>>6587706
Because it's a raw video capture from an hdmi converter, it has nothing to do with a crt screen or any screen in general.

>>6587619

They both look fucking awful. Either get a CRT or leave it alone. This zoomer trend of emulating CRT while emulating a game is vomit inducing.

>>6587716
Why? Also, it's not zoomers who make emulators and shaders.

>>6587716
I am not emulating a crt...these are two crts i own

>>6587716
I have a CRT and an SNES but I'm a retard who gave away my FF6 over 20 years ago and besides I want to play the fan translated FF5 tonight anyway and am not going through the trouble of finding a repo cart for it.

>>6587716
CRT is not some magical device. It's a tool. Old games look better on a crt screen, sure but if the emulators could reach the real crt image quality that would be enough for many people. I don't see anything bad about it. Again, it's not some magic box that makes everything look good.

>>6587738
It kind of is
The emulators cant reach crt quality

>>6587829
You're delusional.

>>6587912
Nah man crts are the most amazing things ive ever seen and i was born in 2002

>>6587919
Ok, that means you can explain why do you think so.

>>6587972
Somethings are beyond logic my friend.

>>6588090
Why did I read this in a stoners voice?
Is it because how stupid the response is?

>>6568163
JVC D Series or Toshiba Cinema Series. Both are waaaay lighter to pick up than a damn Trinitron, and pretty cheap to obtain. They come in lots of different sizes so you can go for one that fits your setup. They're also bubble tubes and do not run into the same kind of bs geometry issues you'll run into with the Trinitrons that can do component.

>>6587090
I do have external speakers. The high pitched sound isn't coming from the TV speakers, it's coming from inside the TVs.

>>6557616

>>6588131
Not that dude but if it’s this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITyKEf4bu0I
Then it’s just inherent to most crts

>>6575754
That's actually pretty good anon.

>>6587912
cool crocodile

>>6588135
This is the only reason I hate using CRT tv

>>6588106
>geometry issues
Plenty of curved sets have it too.

>Both are waaaay lighter to pick up
You're acting like you lug that thing around to LAN parties. Set it up and leave it.

>>6554724
Does anybody has any experience with this converter?

https://www.amazon.com/Portta-Component-Converter-Scaler-support/dp/B00JVNUAEI/ref=pd_rhf_dp_s_crs_dp_rhf_k2p_0_5/137-6888805-6734401

I wan to plug my PC (HDMI) to an old Wega Trinitron TV (Component), but I'm worried about the image quality or if this thing is gonna work at all.

I miss my old graphics card from the early 00's. It had some shaders built in, one of which gave a passable CRT effect (real CRT, not that scanline shit) in windows and anything else. I didn't appreciate the option at the time, but for the past five years, I've wished I could run games and watch videos with a CRT shader.

>>6557049
I don't have any friends either and I have to warn you, I had a serious pain in the back for a couple of moths after lifting a 25" Wega. I was in good shape and regularly lifting back then I might add.

>>6557369
XM29 messes way too much with colors, just look how pale Mario looks. Some anon suggested copying XM29 setting into CRT-Royale and that looks way better imho.

>>6588557
This the royale-xm29 mix.

>>6588557
>>6588559
I think it’s just the LUT which you can disable

>>6578651
Damn, how do I go about getting started on that? I hear opening up a CRT for any reason can be quite dangerous without proper precautions. Is it a really simple process to just open the front? Is there an online guide for this kind of thing?

>>6588442
You get used to it and after a while the whirring also decreases in volume

>>6588829
Nah I just use CRT shaders now, not worth the headaches

I don't get using crt shaders, when I emulate a game I just play it as is, the shaders look bad no matter what I'd rather just play with the raw pixels and polygons.

>>6589086
That’s fine, but that’s just your opinion, don’t know why you’d come into a CRT thread if you don’t like the look

>>6589091
I have crt's, I just don't get using a shader, if you're going to play on an lcd just play with the raw image, the shaders just look horrible.

>>6589104
I have CRTs too and yes they do look similar, so either you have a terrible monitor that isn’t set up correctly or you haven’t set up the shader properly

>>6589119
I'm looking at the ones in the thread and they look shit.

Sharp televisions from the 80s are canonically how NES games should be experienced.

>>6582729
It's got svideo and a non flat tube tho, it's pretty cute too I'd pick it up if I saw that locally

>>6589136
Good for you I guess, looks good on my screen

Just found out my dad has an RCA flat-screen kicking around. I took a quick look at it and it has composite and s-video video for inputs.

Any idea if HDMI to S-Video is worth converting? Or is it going to fuck my shit up?

>>6554724
Hey all -- I'm looking for a photo that I saw once of a CRT TV playing Street Fighter 3. I don't remember what CRT it was, but I THINK it was a Trinitron PVM. I also think it was in the character select screen with Urien (see pic) currently selected.

Wondering if anyone knows of the photo I'm talking about -- i think it was memed around a bit on /v/ or /g/.

Hey guys, I bought a CIB CRT computer monitor and hooked my PS2 to it via S-Video (it runs through a S-Video to VGA converter). What is the optimal resolution and refresh rate I should use? The lowest my converter does is 800x600. How should I setup my monitor? Before any of you talk about it, I do have component cables but I dont have a converter to use it and dont plan to buy one. Thanks.

>>6589119
>I have CRTs too
Doubtful.

>>6589119
If you have CRT's as well why do you care about which shader looks better, just slap your pc into the tv, if you don't have a crt and have to use an lcd for games honestly just use the raw pixels.

>>6589787
>>6589742
Read up the reply chain, I don’t know why you guys are so bothered by them

>>6589787
any good converter to get the pc from hdmi to svideo?
the one i have display the image black and white on my tv.

>>6589891
No idea, in the uk s-video kind of just doesn't exist, very uncommon.

What's a cheap transcoder/converter for component > HDMI?

>>6589136
t. can’t even afford a 4K monitor, spent all his neetbucks on shitty CRTs

I do property management and people constantly abandon CRT shit mainly cause they're too bulky to move. Is there a list of go-to models that sell well? I swear I've trashed out like 30 CRT TVs these last 12 months.

>>6590486
anything made by sony should be worth trying

>>6590486

>>6590556
>>6590619
Thanks famalams

>>6588584
The manual should show how to dismantle it. You just have to remove the plastic shell. No, it's not dangerous. The worst it could do is give you a bit of a shock but you won't have it running so that's highly unlikely.

Somethin ain't right
Anyone know how to fix the red and green in the corners?

Some of these listings are way too high.
https://dayton.craigslist.org/hsh/d/dayton-tv/7139923208.html

Anyone running interlaced from a Ryzen APU? I've been thinking about getting one since my AM4 motherboard has VGA but I'm not sure if it will work. I know it's probably dumb to sacrifice performance for an iGPU when I already have a dedicated card, but my 5700XT can't do interlacing even though my adapter supports it. Using Linux btw.

Not mine but I came across this listing and thought it was cool. A CRT with a built in Super famicom.
https://www.mercari.com/jp/items/m83284098661/

>>6592857
weren't these things made for hotel rooms? nice

>>6590619
>sony wega unicorn

>>6593043
>You realize that showing enthusiasm for something is a fork of weakness right?

>>6593163
Explain how the idea of “Sony Wega unicorn” isn’t onions. I’ll wait.

>>6593163

>>6589787
>if you don't have a crt and have to use an lcd for games honestly just use the raw pixels
Worst advice.

>>6592517
Use a demagnetizer, swipe it over the corners a few times

>>6593005
nah, you're thinking about those n64 controller things. sharp made a famicom and super famicom tv for consumers

>>6591530
It didn't come with a manual, I got it in a garage sale.

>>6594682
retard

>>6594682
just google your model name, as far as i know most manuals have been scanned somewhere