/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6555312
I hope that doesn't happen since they also have MST3K episodes that aren't on youtube and other hard to find movies and shows. As far as game, though, we'll live. Lots of other sources, but you are right, data hoard NOW.

>>6555312
data hoard anyway but this is probably a nothingburger. this is about the lending library which they've already ended.

>>6555319
I know, I said as much, but I'm sure many people would want to be aware of it and archive some things to err on the side of safety

>>6555327
I'm the other anon, and you're cool man, I appreciate it. I can't buy everything I want to see and not everything is for sale.

is this because of that book shit? If all the games get nuked because of some shitty books I'm gunna be pissed.

All of this because a literal hackfraud bitched about his book being pirated.

>>6555340
yes, it's because of their book lending feature, which has already been stopped, so there's a good chance it'll all be fine and come to nothing. Still if you have anything there you might want, and you probably do because of how enormous it is, you may want to save something.

>>6555346
wasn't it some really trashy fanfictiony star wars shit? Which is based on copyrighted content right?

and I was still waiting for the full ibm pc redump. FUCK ME

I want to download the libraries of nes,snes,pcengine,mastersystem,saturn,dreamcast,psx all in one go but i cant now! THERES NOTHING. FUCK THIS FUCK THIS ITS OVER
im gonna sell my computer. Emulation is dead

>>6555401
Why can't you?

>>6555312
Is it just the roms and isos or you mean the whole site?

>>6555409
dont know where to go. want to download it all at once

>>6555312
>archive.org will explode because they're storing 5v roms on 3v storage
Look blogstory smoothbrainbro

>>6555585
Either you download a torrent to get that or you're satisfied with downloading entire sets for certain, if not for all consoles, after much hunting. For example, you can easily download all the Atari 2600 ROMs in one click, but that's down from two easily found sources. Just be happy that you can download entire sets now, but asking for everything in the world to be at the click of one button and done on one website isn't happening.

Does https://archive.org/donate/ also go to legal defense or is there somewhere else to donate? Archive.org is a vital resource so I'd happy to throw em 20 bucks to get copyright terrorists off their backs.

>>6555340
It's because of the nigger uprising. You might be familiar with Fentanyl Floyd.

We just need to go to 17 years of fucking copyright. This eternity for copyright bullshit benefits no one but rich shitholes and greedy, talentless distant relatives mooching off their famous, talented relative that happened to give the rights to them.

>>6555629
20 years is fine.

>>6555585
>no intro
>redump
There you go; you should be able to find what you want now.

>>6555629
>>6555632
We should just get rid of copyright altogether, it's just an arbitrary monopoly.

>>6555653
No. People need to be able to profit from their ideas exclusively for at least 20 years, that's just fair. They created it, they should reap the most benefits.

>>6555601
How do i find the sets?
>>6555637
I dont know what that is

>dabbing on cringe nostalgia redditfags in fell swoop with one lawsuit
I see this as absolutely BASED

>>6555684
>How do i find the sets?
put the name of the set you want into a search engine.
>I dont know what that is
Use the terms "no intro full romset [of whatever]" into a search engine. "no intro" is good because it means that there's no bullshit put into the file-it's just the game as it was on a cartridge or CD.
Let it not be said that this board never spoon-feeds.

>>6555684
you're too dumb to hoard, anon. plus optimally you'd want to curate your hoard, which can take months.
I've been updating my sets. I think I spend 2 weeks on PS1, STN and nointro alone.

>>6555698
I need more help man

>>6555718
Emuparadise
greasemonkey extension for firefox

Deleting this post soon.

>>6555319
Sites you'd never expect to go down have gone down before, it's a good idea to take it seriously.
>>6555401
I and probably several others have a full set of pretty much every retro cartridge console. There are other sites that have every PSX, Saturn and dreamcast game.
The real at risk games are CD based PC games, those are rare and harder to store.
We should get a record going of every backed up game to make archiving more efficient.

dont focus on the vidya you idiots that shit's archived everywhere, archive the old gaming websites and shit like that

>>6555732
data hoarding can be daunting. the fags over at leddit are supposedly trying to achieve the archive in chunks per person. but if you go through their post history at least half the sub has had a critical server failure at one point or another.
>The real at risk games are CD based PC games
I'm familiar with consoles but not DOS and Win9x sets. how complete are them? I'm assuming not at all given the nature of PC gaming.

>>6555738
I'm really hoping this doesn't affect the actual web archive. I mean, they're two separate things, right?

Guys what gaming website stuff should be backed up? Also strategy guides are hard to backup 4000+ does someone have an idea to dump all of that somehow?

>>6555742
The DOS set has around 2500 games, and the site Abandonware has mostly all of them.
Win9x has no set actually and archive.org is where all the games are kept. The extra stuff like strategy guides and music are more significant though.

>>6555667
Go back to bed, Ayn Rand.

>>6555312
Jason Scott works for them and he's one of the biggest fags to ever live, so I hope they shut down and he loses his job. More worthwhile and uncommon shit is archived in different places anyway

>>6555750
No. The Wayback Machine is part of the Internet Archive.
If this lawsite bankrupts The Internet Archive, the Wayback Machine will die too.

>>6555781
She was literally a welfare queen who preached selfishness, anon, she ought to be your hero.
Current copyright laws are bullshit, though, so take the ground you have already and be happy.
Be mad the most at Disney since they are the company that has extended copyright into infinity, effectively anyway.

>>6555684
GoodNES, GoodSNES, etcetera. Google is your friend.

>old news
EFF and a law firm have already taken the case on, so the IA doesn't have to worry about legal fees. The IA already shut down the offending service, so even if the court rules against them the plaintiffs aren't likely to get much in the way of a monetary judgement. They are a non-profit and they were not intending on committing piracy, they just overstepped their bounds when they decided to encourage people to read stuff during the lockdown, and they shut it down before it even reached the courtroom.

IA will not be killed by this, stop spreading old news repackaged in clickbait articles.

>>6555653
Copyright protects artists. Just because it means you can’t pirate their shit as easily doesn’t mean it’s not good. It has been massively twisted though. 70 years after the authors death does jack shit for the artist

>>6555312
I thought they were literally exempt from the DCMA

>>6555818
To be fair, their "wayback machine" is controlled by government anyway and all the best stuff is hence, censored and not there.

>>6555312
I swear there will be fucking dead people if they mess with the archive. You can't erase our history!

>>6555781
Only those who have no imagination and are creatively bankrupt don't want to see creators benefit from their work. You're trash, tranny.

>>6555797
you're so full of shit gtfo

>>6556901
tell that to all the cucks tearing down statues

>>6557065
that can be solved by shoothing them and beating them in the streets

>>6555714
>I think I spend 2 weeks on PS1, STN and nointro alone.

And he's the dumb one?

After I heard about this stupid lawsuit I downloaded a couple No-Intro sets just to be safe.
Hopefully nothing truly comes out of this, it would be such a fucking blow to see so many archived things just gone because of one fucking douchebag waving his dick around when it comes to people reading his old books.

>>6556168
Copyright law only exists to benefit the rich. Ask Robert Kearns how 'copyright law' protected his patents from being used without compensation for over two decades.

>>6555797
>Jason Scott works for them
He's not associated with the Internet Archive.

> and he's one of the biggest fags to ever live
This I may agree with.

>>6557103
Copyright law is also what allowed him to win 10s if millions of dollars from the lawsuits against the companies that ripped him off. If companies are doing that while we have the laws, imagine what they would do if we didn’t have copyright protections.
My biggest problem with copyright though probably has to do with sampling. For 9 cents you can get a mechanical license and cover any song you want, but if you want to sample a song you have to shell out millions of dollars. Collage artists sample other artists work and it falls under fair use. It just seems anti-black to me

>>6557131
ok retard

>>6557020
>oh no, my console fullset roms aren't going to be available anymore
who fucking cares you can get them anywhere. and for pc games, shit like old games ru and legendsworld exists. and for people who say "well what if they go down?" well then download the shit you want because thats the only true way to make sure you'll have it forever

>>6555781
Post what ever you've created so I can profit from it and claim it as my own. Also you'll never ever pass.

Torrented the j2me phone game collection, just in case. I also have all the Nintendo Power magazines, fuck, gotta download the other good mags

>>6557385
>it says so on twitter so must be true
he's just a volunteer

Say goodbye...
https://archive.org/details/NoxUSA

>>6555340
yes blame book publishers

>>6557481
>old games ru
lol shitty dumps

>>6555653
Naw copyright is fine for the most part it's just the stupid term lengths.

25 years and you can renew it once for another 25. End of story.

>>6555312
Indeed troubling. Another reason why the Copyright system of the 1960s-1977 was better overall.

>>6557792
you don't realize how brainwashed you are. 5 years tops

>>6557578
pretty sure he's over the software/vidyo games side of things
but yeah he is kind of an asshole who constantly goes into debt apparently

>Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution defined copyright protection. This was formalized into law with the Copyright Act of 1790, which granted authors exclusive publishing rights to their work for 14 years. Thomas Jefferson was notably against the idea of copyrights as he argued that it limited the free dissemination of knowledge.

>The Copyright Act of 1835 extended this to 28 years, with the option to renew a work for an additional 28 years, making for a total of 56.

>For the first 100 years of US copyright law, there was no protection afford to works published by non-US citizens. Bootleg copies of foreign books, particularly British ones, circulated widely and numerous complaints arose from their authors, especially Charles Dickens, who received not a penny from the many unauthorized printings of his novels in the US. After years of debate, Congress passed the Copyright Act of 1892 which extended copyright protection to the works of foreigners.

>The Copyright Act of 1976 extended copyright terms to 75 years in total. If a work was not already public domain when this came into effect (effective starting 1/1/78), then it could be renewed for an additional 47 years, bringing it up to 75.

>>6555797
>Never heard of this guy
>Don't care to look it up either
Lol I'm better than you

This is as good a place as any to ask: where the fuck do you find Apple II games? I'm trying to play the original release of Ultima but that shit can't be found anywhere.

>>6557869
what does this schizopost mean

>>6557834
Not enough time for the creator to profit from it if it's successful. 20-25 years with the option to renew it, as well as what the creator decides to do with it, was always the best option.

>>6555312
It won't go down, its the same faggot shit Chuck Wendig was doing, suing them for lending out his shitty comics which only had like 50 downloads anyway. They already stopped lending shit. Sucks because they have alot of obscure books by German generals from WW2 and other shit that is hard to find on like libgen.is which is by far the biggest pirate depository of books online, and I was on the waiting list to borrow alot of them.

Literally whenever I am depressed I go back and watch random VHS tapes they have archived. I might try and download a ton of them even though they are GBs each.

>>6557861
Intellectual property is not property. Fuck copyrights.

it's UG all over again

>>6556820
Cool story bro

This bites. I remember when the internet was a vast and wild frontier where people could exchange information and ideas. Where things were preserved and saved. Now thanks to corporate monopoly and greed everything is becoming lost never to be seen again so the suits can feed us garbage and expect us to pay for the privilege.

>>6558618
But who is this mysterious "corporate monopoly"? Well imagine my coincidence...

>>6558590
Not everything gets saved or can be saved, naive zoomy anon.

>>6555773
I backed up every strategy guide on archive.org that they labelled a "strategy guide." There were around a 1000.
You use a program called wget to dump the files theres a guide for archive.org.

>>6555653
No. Original ideas should be credited. What is arbitrary is being denied of accessing old magazines from 20 years ago because someone somewhere might own the rights to those magazines... magazines that have been out of print for decades... with outdated and mostly useless information. That's the true grey area. Same with old games; I'm sure people would love to pay a buck or two for all the old obscure games if the games actually were purchasable.

>>6558659
>he called my bullshit
>better cope and call him a zoomer
Back to le facebook little zoomer

>>6558618
>Where things were preserved and saved
mass archiving only really started being popular in late 00s and early 10s

>>6557069
Try them and you will be the one getting beat

>>6559543
ok low test

>>6555312
They will be fine. Check their actual info on this. Jason Scott says they'll be fine.

>>6555312
I know everyone says it will be alright and nothing will happen but it would be wise to buy a External HDD and have an archive folder to back everything up to on the off chance it does. We need to learn from Sadpanda as an example to data archive ourselves than to hope some Autist will back everything up.

>>6557861
Fuck I hate this country sometimes. Run by Creatively bankrupt Baby Boomers that only care about money, power and control.

>>6560446
I really want to get all the romsets but most external drives wouldn't be able to hold them all.

>>6560446
>learn from Sadpanda
why is there no alternative to sad panda even after its (temporary) death last year?

>>6560607
How small are your drives?

>>6557578

>>6557578
massive cope

>>6555319

The lawsuit is about the emergency library, but if it goes to trial and the Archive is found guilty (and they will be, they massively fucked up here), they could be fined up to $100,000 per book, which would force the entire site to shut down.

>>6555351
No they can't stop the lawsuit now else it will set a legal precedent to other sites to "lend" books for free. It's over.

>>6555797
Maybe because he was right that you are a massive faggot?

>>6557578
Well, like most people who work at/for IA

>>6561074
That's a very different situation than the site as a whole being C&Ded by the government, since the site would most likely just be sold off to some tech giant like Google. Which isn't ideal, but at least it would survive to some extent.

>>6560714
not the same anon, but it's not that simple. not everyone has the cash for a server or dozens of external drives.
no-intro, bar the bigger stuff, is about 30 gigs. DS is 200. Saturn is 700. PS1, US 500, EUR 1Tb, JPN 1.2Tb.
and that's ignoring stuff like MAME and just about every other redump set. GC is over 3Tb, PS2 is something like 15~20Tb and the half-assed original Xbox set is, fuck, I don't even know. all the dvds are DL and redump accounts for the dummy data as well.

It's already happening. a no-intro rom collection has been deleted.
https://archive.org/details/no-intro-rom-sets
Back up stuff now.

>>6560714
full sets start getting huge around ps1 era

>>6561109
Sure it can.... as an out of court settlement.
Internet Archive (and the EFF) are the only organizations I yearly donate to, but my fucking god IA really fucked up beyond words.
I'm just praying that the publishers will fear bad PR from killing IA so they'll work on a settlement instead.

>>6557861
If you want fucked up, try learning about international copyright laws.

The EU has its own, but then, countries within the EU have their own variants which can differ greatly. Basically nobody knows what the fuck applies so publishers sometimes just do whatever and if they don't get sued all the better.

If you archive anything you're literally HITLER

>>6562181
They dont want the stupid shit they say archived so you cant pull it up when they do a complete 180 later. I swear this anti archive attitude is just from kikes trying to control the narrative and they dont want people finding old articles that contradict their narrative.

>>6562187
Of course, these are the same sites that bitch and moan about a white power video tweet Trump deleted like a hour later because he didn't watch it completely.

>>6562205
What did he post "take back our future:a message from the alt right?" I fucking wish lmao!

>>6555431
The whole site.

>>6559108
Not everything is saved you halfwit.

>>6561447
Which one.

>>6562989
Did someone say that?

>>6558209
Sounds like they don't work

>>6563006
https://archive.org/details/no-intro_romsets

latest and greatest. update your bookmarks/archives.

>>6556909

>>6563036
What's no intro mean? No logos on launch?

>>6563043
Pretty much. They originally formed to remove screens and such that dumpers inserted into the roms. The idea was to keep only the best, clean hashes and checksums into a database that others could compare their roms to, and got rid of anything else. Any roms based off of their latest .dats are often considered the best.

>>6562989
Not everything needs to be cope you halfwit.

i'm just gonna finally download a full mame set
downloading individual roms all the time probably took more time in the long run anyway

>>6563043
Not official logos, no-intro means no intros added by crackers. Basically, pure clean 100% accurate when possible rom dumps

>>6555629
40 years is more than enough and wouldn't hurt individual IP holders one bit, only faceless corporations would be buttblasted over it.
People may seethe about it but at least in the gaming domain a smaller term is already used, organically, by people who doesn't give a fuck about the law but care about the media as a whole, which is aided in part by how console hardware design are protected by PATENTS which didn't fall into the copyright term dumbfuckery yet.

>>6562254
Fuck

This scare got me to download 400 gigs of vidya.

>>6566121
>gigs
heh
amateur

>>6566127
I only downloaded the games I actually wanted to play and libraries from consoles that can be downloaded in seconds.
Plus, I only have a 1TB external HDD right now.

>>6566131
I know. hoarding this shit can be really expensive. Saturn is 650 gigs, PS1 is about 3Tb.
everything else is too big for me. stopping at DS and PSP. I think I have like a dozen external drives lying around.

>>6558618
this begs the question... can we just make a new internet, entirely isolated from this one? how would one even go about doing so?

>>6566131
I'm did what you did. My main interests are 3rd and 4th gen with dabbling in 5th gen, so those are the sets I focused on. Got away with about 35GB and that's probably more than enough for a lifetime honestly.

>>6566150
*25GB. Oops.

>>6555613
this. blm wants y

>>6555613
this. blm doesnt want games to be freely available online they want them in stores so they can loot them. its all part of Soros's master plan.

>>6555781
t. Commie

>>6555667
>>6556168
>>6557760
>>6559102
Artists and content creators are not a sacred cow, there's no reason for them to have a legal monopoly over an idea. I don't give a shit if it's one hundred years, five years or two weeks, it's still parasitism, plain and simple.

>>6566503
Parasitism is someone riding on the coattails of something someone else created to make a quick buck. Do you really want the market flooded with godawful soulless chinese knockoff garbage? Copyright should last until the original creator is dead or willingly puts it into the public domain.