/vr/ - Retro Games

iirc they pushed out standalone MK3 as "the first part" to meet the extreme demand for a new MK game for the summer

>>6537595
I... I mean, I know what you're saying, and you're only saying what you've heard, but I've read your post several times and I still don't understand. The first part to an arcade game? What? So they released a half-finished game and then later released a "better" version of the game (debatable given how much was also cut) out of season? Why not just release MK4 next year then if they're just going to the yearly release route like King of Fighters?

>>6537603
Midway went out of business for a reason. Just sayin'.

>>6537603
>The first part to an arcade game?
>what is SFII everything
>what is NBA Jam TE
>what is Soul Edge 1.2
>what is FF Special
>etc

>>6537613
I think the point they were trying to make is why release a gimped version of the game deliberately just to release a better version later instead of just doing it from the start, therefore already turning off a significant portion of the players. I think Street Fighter III would be a better example here than the ones you named, where they axed everybody except Ryu and Ken from SF2 for New Generation and they were even debating doing that as well.

>>6537592

the best characters

mk1: liu kang
mk2: jax
mk3: nightwolf
mk4: fujin

>>6537623
Because MK was immensely popular and it had already been 2 years since the release of MKII.
So they released 3 and "Ultimate 3". Rather than 3 and 4. Big whoop.

>>6537613
I guess. I still don't get why they would choose to not include the most popular character in the first version, though. Or why they have Kitana's mom but not Kitana.
>>6537623
I still don't think that makes any sense either!

>>6537592
Infinite Run saves the game. Unless it's a Kabal or Jade player pre-Ultimate. Then you're fucked.

>>6537714
Godamn it i'm a retard Jade is Ultimate but still has an infinite combo with run.

>>6537623
Well for one, MK3/UMK3 still sold a shit ton, unlike Shit Fighter 3 which only sold 80k units total (all versions included)

>>6537735
Wasn't it more contemporary with 4 though?

>>6537592
>I mean, why would you axe Scorpion
One of the higher ups at Midway probably said "No Ninjas". Likely the same higher ups who told them they needed more new characters for 4 thus having Kitana, Noob, and Kano axed for Tanya, Reiko, and Jerek.

Obviously, they realized their mistake and had UMK3 released.

The only game I like out of the series is MKII, it's been downhill since then.

>>6537592

They had guts to remove the most popular characters.

Since MK3 had a more modern style and atmosphere so the ninjas wouldn't fit really...

It took place in "human" places.

>>6537809
2 is my favorite, but i played a shitload of 3 on snes back in the day before we got a playstation

>>6537592
They wanted to cut down on the clone characters, it was just two + a secret like in the first game, as opposed to a whopping five (almost half the roster of 2). And then when people complained they were like "fuck you, you want clones? Here's the whole rainbow"

I'm more mad that they axed Sheeva from most versions of Ultimate, she was the most interesting addition by far yet she was only on the supposed inferior version home-console-wise. But hey at least we got a shiton of recolors I guess.

>>6537941
Have you read "Mortal Kombat: A Forced Hero"?

>>6537949
what the fuck
what the flying fuck

>>6537953
Just thought you might like it because of Sheeva who gets a really good scene

>>6537959
Link?
What are you talking about, Google is just bringing up MK11

>>6537962
https://archiveofourown.org/works/9800783

There's two big scenes with her if you're into that.

>>6537964
>Sheeva began spreading his ass, her thick fingers getting a good feeling for his behind as she massaged them in different directions
I don't want to be on the internet anymore.

>>6537949

nobody likes your shitty fanfics, go jump in a lake.

>>6537992
The stats say otherwise

>>6537623
A bird in hand is worth two in the bush. Corporations will usually choose to make money today versus the potential of more in the future.

>>6538017
Also there was no telling how long the "Mortal Mania" would last. It was probably smart to release 3 then and there, with the possibility of an Ultimate 3 in the future.

>>6538008

They read it to laugh at you.

>>6537973
eewww

>>6537592

MK3 was the point where the Midway suits and the dev team started sniffing their own farts, firing the people who had made MK great because they didn't feel like sharing the millions it had made because of these people.
Gone was the attitude of "okay so we build up a pretty decent lore, where can we go with it?" and in was the "How can we make this as whacky as possible? this is OUR creation, lets totally go the opposite way and show everybody that we can do whatever we want and be a huge success!"

But then they had to make UMK3 because people hated where they went.

>>6537592
They didn't get around to filming the ninja characters like someone else said it was rushed out. The MK 3 characters are all lit darker so the old ones would have stood out if they just included them.

>>6538390
I thought MK3 was an interesting place to take the lore. Shao Kahn actually succeeding in invading earth, EVERYONE on earth dies except a group of chosen warriors, fights taking place in deserted cities as a result, shit was crazy.

>>6537949
>>6537959
I'm not judging or anything but it's not necessary to be into that to appreciate Sheeva:
>first (and for a long time only) playable shokan character (that wasn't through hacking wich doesn't count)
>most monstruous playable character until then for the same reason
>animated with GLORIOUS stop-motion
There was a short video on youtube about her creation and puppet, but I can't find it. All behind-the-scenes videos about MK3 have little more than screenshots of the puppet.
But anyway, fighting Motaro with Sheeva is epic, especially knowing their species are mortal enemies. It's like playing a Harryhausen film.
In a way the addition of Sheeva was the perfect send-off to the classic 2D era of the series.

Forget the characters, the question should be why did they decide on the setting they did? A city street? A bank? Another city street? You can set the story on Earth but pick more exciting locations, even for a city. Aside from Soul Chamber every stage was either grey or brown and looked terrible. Motaro's stage with just the dark bricks has to be hands down one of the worst stages in all of fighting games. It's so bland.

>>6538407
>They didn't get around to filming the ninja characters

Since they would have palette swapped them anyway you'd think they'd film them first.
no I dont buy it, they chose not to bring the ninjas back because they wanted to do something different. which is commendable but not when you got a weak story going on with weak newcomers.

>>6538418
>I thought MK3 was an interesting place to take the lore. Shao Kahn actually succeeding in invading earth, EVERYONE on earth dies except a group of chosen warriors, fights taking place in deserted cities as a result, shit was crazy.
Well at that point they didn't know what to do, so apparently they decided a bunch of people lived I guess? Like there's only 15 people left on Earth but Sonya and Jax still have jobs and Johnny Cage is still making movies.

The cartoon was kind of funny, with the heroes protecting a completely barren wasteland from invasion, who knows why, it's not like Shao Khan's going to make things any worse. What did they even eat, I don't even think they had grass anymore.

>>6537603
>I... I mean
You don't need to type with ellipses like a faggot.

>>6538727

While the whole concept of a desolate Earth seems fun to write a game around, it just doesn't really work when you actually do it.
they should have shown the invasion to be more like how MK9 did it, with tanks fighting monsters and helicopters flying around.
not just go out and say "AND THEN EVERYBODY DEAD CUZ KAHN LIKE.. STOLE ALL THEIR SOULS! except for the heroes.. and then everybody was fine again at the end.. and shit."

Neat idea, poorly executed. (which about sums up MK3 in general)

Hard to believe that Tobias thought this was a good idea, guess Daniel Pesina really was the other half of MK.

>>6538776
Anything sounds bad if you type it in allcaps like that
Kahn figured out a loophole in the MK system, stole everyone's souls, but the rules still said earth could pick a number of warriors to try and take back earth. It's a cool idea and it shows in the cast and stages.

>>6537592
Mortal Kombat is just two games, 1 and 2.

>>6538727
Johnny Cage was dead in 3. Trilogy's excuse for bringing him back was the gates to the afterlife were blocked or whatever because of Shao Kahn's invasion so he just returned to his body. They killed him off because of Daniel Pesina and Bloodstorm.

>>6537776
Noob was in Trilogy.

>>6539094
>because of Daniel Pesina and Bloodstorm.

The Bloodstorm thing actually came after the failed lawsuit, Tobias actually told them to contact Daniel because he felt sorry for his friend.

>>6538727
Bait. They only survived because Raiden. No one had jobs, and Cage was dead.

>>6538776
>they should have shown the invasion to be more like how MK9 did it, with tanks fighting monsters and helicopters flying around.
>back in that time
Corpses would have been possible.

>>6539201
You mean 3, Trilogy came after UMK3. And they used Kano's sprite for him. Anyways, thats what I read somewhere years ago, that Midway were sick of the ninja's and had them banned for a bit after the lawsuits.

>>6539201

The ad still got the character killed off, did it not? Otherwise, I have some reading to do somewhere.

>>6539263
What are you talking about? I am saying he was playable in Trilogy, not UMK3. Also, the ad was about Cage, who was brought back.

>>6537592
I'd wager what this guy said >>6538390 is probably the most likely scenario. There was an overall lack of vision amongst the dev team and it just fell apart, and UMK3 was an attempt to fix it. I'd wager this is primarily an Ed Boon issue, because even up to modern day with MK11 Ed Boon loves to axe characters in favor of brand new ones that may or may not be worth a shit, even if the ones he is axing were literally just introduced in the last game.

>>6539270
Confusion obviously. I said ninjas were banned in MK3. You said he was in Trilogy. I thought you were trying to correct me since Noob was technically in 3 despite not being playable and noob was technically supposed to be a ninja, and corrected you as a result. When I said Midway banned ninjas in MK3, I just meant that specific game. Not the other games made from 3.

>>6539334
I think you responded to the wrong guy. You were saying that they put in new folk instead of Noob for MK4, which is true. It seemed like you claimed they put Noob in UMK3 to fix things, which I was saying wasn't true as he was put in as a playable guy in Trilogy, but was a fighter in 3 as well as Ultimate.

I'd only ever seen MK3U arcade cabinets and SNES cartridges for rent, I didn't even know a version of MK3 with that tiny roster existed until this year. What in the fuck were they thinking?
MK3U is fucking superb though.
>>6537628
More like
MK: Sonya
MK 2: Kitana
MK 3: Sindel
MK 4: Fujin

Midway not using Ninjas in MK3 because of the lawsuit makes sense, they probably went waaaaaaay overboard with the whole "We don't need Cage, we don't need Raiden, we don't need Kitana, we don't need the Ninjas."
I bet they were pretty pissed that they still had to put Liu Kang in there.

>>6539349
>What in the fuck were they thinking?
Yes, that is what the thread is asking. Unfortunately, the MK team and especially Ed Boon are renowned liars so it's a bit difficult to actually say what happened with X or Y because you can ask them the same questions year after year and they'll likely have different anwers.

>>6539349

Please don't say MK3U, its UMK3.

>>6539396
Sub-Zero is ninja enough that they could've just had a facepaint palette swap for Scorpion. So many of these characters feel like after thoughts with little effort put into them. Cyrax and Sektor didn't even have names until, what, like a week before launch?

I think the robots were a good addition because fighting robots IRL would be unironically scary

>>6540116
But they are not robots

>>6539349
Fujin was MK4 you fagget!

The weird thing is in the BTS video footage for MK3/UMK3, you can see the actress for Kitana/Jade/Mileena being present at the same time they were shooting the footage for unmasked Sub-Zero, which implies those characters were planned to be there from the start.

Kabal looks so bloody stupid

>>6537592
They kept getting shit for the rainbow of pallette swapped ninjas from the gaming press, that's why they axed them and added pallette swapped cyborgs

>>6537603
He means they rushed out an essentially incomplete product to get a new MK title out there with the intention of making UMK3 with the rest of the content.

No idea if that's accurate but Midway did do alot of dumb shit and I am baffled how you don't understand this notion

>>6540662
That's pretty despicable then. Basically the 90s equivalent of on disc DLC.

>>6537592
Man, fucking Bruce Lee/Martial Arts movie asthetics and level settings in part MK2, the same with a supernatural and far more sinister asthetic in MK2...

And on MK3 you're fighting on fucking shit and garbage covered streets and subway stations with robots, cops and faggots in gas masks. So fucking lame and jarring compared to the first two titles. I always hated 3, it just didn't feel like MK.

>>6541348
*meant in part 1, obviously

>>6539216
>No one had jobs, and Cage was dead.
Yeah and then they ignored that whenever they felt like it in the sequels, except sometimes not. You never see cities or anything but apparently the Outworld Investigation Agency and the Black Dragons are still around?

https://youtu.be/85B-L5O3wU0

>>6541352
Because the heroes won and earth went back to normal.

>>6541348
Agreed. They should have swapped 3 and 4 around. 4 still had the fantasy aesthetic better with more Outworld/Netherrealm stages and more sorcerers and gods.

>>6541362
Yeah I think 4's design aesthetic but with the 2D gameplay would have been much better for 3, and then with 4 the shitty MK3 art and character design may have worked better just because it was a whole new style of game. New style, new aesthetic.

May have still been shit but who knows? As far as gameplay, I never really cared for the running and dial a combo gameplay of 3 either but 1 and 2 are so admittedly shallow in the fighting department that many fans do consider MK3/UMK3 to be the pinnacle of the2D style games

>>6541362
The setting of 4 sucked dick. Actually I don't even remember what it was about.

>>6541805
It was about Shinnok and Quan Chi trying to take over Earth Realm, and played up the fantasy stuff alot, elder gods and all that

What's wrong with the setting of 3, the whole deal with the world of MK is that it's a mishmash of kung-fu magic and ninjas and ancient gods and fantasy worlds and futuristic tech and police agents and criminals and whatever else, that's what makes it fascinating. One could bitch about 2 for suddenly taking the setting into magical worlds with fantasy races and shit when 1 was just Enter the Dragon with wizards.

>>6541845
I think >>6538529 nailed it. Seeing Earth being invaded by Shao Khan's forces makes perfect sense from a storyline standpoint but many people find the choices they made boring and uneventful. Personally I liked but I'll admit the empty bank is boring.

>>6541845
everybody looks like a power rangers villain

>>6541360
not 100% sure that makes sense but I guess it's good enough

They left out all characters modeled by Carlos Pesina (Raiden, Johnny Cage, all ninjas including Scorpion). Sub Zero was the exception because the hired another face for him. Carlos Pesina did some work for a Mortal Kombat clone by another company, so the MK team fired him. We don't know if this means they scrapped work he had already done for those characters for MK3, or if it was a deliberate decision to arrogantly punish him ("we're not even gonna use your characters anymore"). They probably decided to put those characters back on a future revision at this point.

>>6541893
Meh, I got it half-right

>Some of the characters from previous Mortal Kombat games who returned in Mortal Kombat 3 were portrayed by new actors since their original portrayers left Midway due to royalty disputes over the use of their likenesses in console versions. Ho Sung Pak (Liu Kang in the first two games, as well as Shang Tsung in the first Mortal Kombat), Phillip Ahn (Shang Tsung in Mortal Kombat II), Elizabeth Malecki (Sonya Blade), Katalin Zamiar (Kitana/Mileena/Jade) and Daniel Pesina (Johnny Cage and Scorpion/Sub-Zero/Reptile/Smoke/Noob Saibot) were not involved in the production of MK3.[4] Prior to the release of Mortal Kombat 3, Daniel appeared in an advertisement for another fighting game, BloodStorm, which resulted in a false rumor that it got him fired by Midway. All this led to the use of new actors for Liu Kang (Eddie Wong), Sonya Blade (Kerri Hoskins), Shang Tsung and Sub-Zero (both played by John Turk) in MK3. Richard Divizio (Kano) also took over the role of Noob Saibot (as the character was a recolored Kano in this version). Carlos Pesina, who played Raiden in the first two games, did not appear in MK3 as a penalty for his involvement in the rival game Tattoo Assassins, but was still employed by Midway and his character would return in Mortal Kombat Trilogy, although through the use of recycled sprites from MKII and new sprites performed by Sal Divita.

>>6537592
Do people really not know this? The actor who played Johnny Cage and the Ninjas, Daniel Pesina, got into a pissing match about the money he was getting paid and left Midway, so MK3 was made without any of his characters, until they recast them for UMK3.

That's the reason. No mystery, just time and money involving the original actor.

>>6541913
Why would the actor matter? They're ninjas just put the mask on some other dude

>>6537603
Could be a time issue, could be a money making technique. Sell the base MK3 for full price because operators have to have the best, newest MK to stay competitive, and then not much later have an upgraded version, which I assume was also sold as an EPROM and cabinet art upgrade kit as opposed to solely full PCB setups. Even for increased business I would assume many operators would balk at having to buy a full priced game all over again, but paying a reduced price for some EPROMs and art was probably palatable for most who wanted to have the newest games on the floor.

>>6541913
>>6541932
They recast almost everybody whether they wore a mask or not. Including, eventually, Johnny Cage. So that explanation never made any sense to me.

>>6540662
That is interesting. Maybe they finished filming everybody, but cut corners when it came time to code.

>>6542000
My guess is that they were so mad at the guy they didn't even want to acknowledge him by still having his characters around, surely they got over it later on and brought the characters back.

>>6541348
Shit opinion.
>>6541891
>being a jackass
It is literally what happened.

>>6541845
I know you're young, but even then you should know that it was Big Trouble in Little China that was the main thing for the game.
>>6541886
The main issue was never the setting, but rather the lack of an in-game story. The levels all make sense if you are traveling the city for whatever reason. Shame MK9 didn't do much for it.
>>6541902
Always nice when you are only allowed to work for one company.

>>6542085
Have you seen Enter the Dragon? It's the plot of MK1, no difference. It's got the island, the tournament, the shang tsung, the goro, the liu kang, the johhny cage, they had even planned to put Jax in MK1 instead of Sonya, then it would have been even more similar.

>>6541902
>Sonya Blade (Kerri Hoskins)
HHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGG

>>6541932
>Why would the actor matter?

It was a personal insult, as in "We don't need Cage or the Ninjas anyway! we're the MK team we can create new amazing characters!"
but then they couldn't, and we got the ninjas in UMK3 (but still no Cage till Trilogy, see how it was all personal?)

>>6537603
If you go straight from MK3 to MK4, a jump in numbered sequel, it is expected that you would need a new roster, new stages, new music, new moves, new fatalities. Developers make 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, etc so they can keep using the assets and build upon it to milk off of what you've already made as much as possible. The reason why this practice didn't set the world on fire like it would today is because the players don't pay for it.

>>6542102
Shang Tsung is Lo Pan, faggot. Cage is suppose yo be Van Damme.

>>6542209
Maybe MK staff liked both movies.

>>6537635
>I still don't think that makes any sense either!
What is there not to get? Either they wanted to do something fresh or they deliberately cut characters out so people would become upset and they could release a revised version to sell more. I'm honestly not quite sure what's so hard to follow about this.

>>6542209
>Cage is suppose yo be Van Damme

According to Daniel Pesina he was actually based on Iron Fist. (Yeah, I don't get it either)

>>6537592
It's the Street Fighter 3 of Mortal Kombat.

Does anyone know why Mortal Kombat Trilogy HD was cancelled? I think it couldla been fun, or at least interesting. Ed Boon refuses to talk about it

>>6537592
Of course somebody asked that. And don't call me Shirley.

MK2 best MK

>>6542339

That was really weird when that got cancelled, they were already part of WBs so you'd think money would not have been a problem.
also everything seemed to be going smoothly, I think they had like Liu Kang/Sonya/Kung Lao/Kahn/Kitana all done.

>>6542339
It was around the time the MK1-2-U3 collection was released on PC/PS3/X360. They probably just decided to go for the proven, cheaper, safer option, and avoid involving third parties.

>>6542407
>>6542572
>>6542339
Ed Boon also hinted at something with Shaolin Monks, but nothing came of it.

Also my theory with MK Special Forces, not sure if you guys will agree, but Tobias sabotaged everything (like the game code, computers, shredded game design documents, etc) - which is why there has been such bad blood between him and Boon that took years to heal.

>>6542632
I don't think Tobias went that far. If anything it would've been more passive aggressive, like showing up late (or not at all) to meetings and missing deadlines repeatedly.

>>6542054
I don't think someone who likes MK3 has the right to criticize anyone elses opinion faggot.

>>6542767
>I don't think Tobias went that far.

Then why was the leaked Special Forces footage we got that featured Sonya A TON, while the version we got cut her completely. They look like completely different games.

>>6542815
I've never seen this footage. Got a link?

>>6542821
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5upRPAvEmQI

It's also possible that it wasn't a malicious act by Tobias, and that there was some sort of harddrive failure, and having to restart from scratch pissed him off enough to want to leave the company.

>>6542835
Man, that does look way different. Even if they were on a crunch why just restart the whole thing?

They weren't thinking at all.
MK development team was just a bunch of amateurs, young guys doing what they liked, with no real direction at all besides "more blood".

Suddenly martial arts movies weren't that hot anymore while Image comics were all the rage, so they just slapped a bunch of cyborgs clad in motocross armor fighting Cable dressed in blue, Alice Cooper and injun Alice Cooper, centaurs and a fucking traffic warden.

>>6543207
>Suddenly martial arts movies weren't that hot anymore while Image comics were all the rage, so they just slapped a bunch of cyborgs clad in motocross armor fighting Cable dressed in blue, Alice Cooper and injun Alice Cooper, centaurs and a fucking traffic warden.

Ughhhhhh, I often wonder if it would have stayed like this if they hadn't fucked over Daniel Pesina.
him and Tobias worked well together, he might have been against the whole techno direction.

>>6541319
>not liking one of the rare good things about MK3.

Nigger, you serious?

>>6537941
>>6538523
based anon. I remember when I first played MK3 at arcades right when it came out, my first pick was Sheeva, just because she was female goro, it was without a doubt the most interest character.

>>6537592
>Killing off Mileena. The most popular female character of the series

They're still doing weird shit

>>6543942
They did it because of what Mileena represented. Hot girl with tons of sexual innuendo is sexist fascist and racist in today's fighting games.

>>6537941

Yeah that sucked, though it did make people get creative and they hacked her back into both the Snes and Genesis version.

https://youtu.be/8h6iZ14c4CA

https://youtu.be/BX7eTcakKgE

>>6544019
Sadly true. I think Boon is also secretly jealous of her success. Fans love her, but call him a liar.

>>6544019
Lol you're retarded.

>>6544274
>Mk9

Yeah now look at how 11's turned out.

>>6544286
It's fine with me. You just sound triggered.

>>6543942
Ed Boon is still married to the idea of starting MK over with a new batch of characters to replace the old, that was their plan ages ago but they could never actually pull it off

They already rebooted the timeline of MK9 and are starting a new reboot with MK12, and I guarantee it will be a new try to put a bunch of OCs over, and it still won't work, didn't work in 3, or 4, or any game

Everytime I play UMK 3 I have the felling that I just playing some crap bootleg, not a supost enhanced version of MK3.

>>6537592
>Surely, at some point in development, somebody had to have asked "Are you SURE this is the direction we need to be going with this game?" I mean, why would you axe Scorpion, one of the most popular characters from the previous two games?

Zoomer confirmed.

Scorpion sucked in MK1 and MK2. He's an iconic character but few people picked him because he was grossly outclassed by most other characters.

Smoke practically serves the same function as Scorpion in MK3 while making a previously hidden character playable.

>>6544629
>Scorpion sucked in MK1 and MK2. He's an iconic character but few people picked him because he was grossly outclassed by most other characters.

No characters "outclass" each other. There is no match up game in classic MK...outside of special moves, every character literally has the same exact punches, kicks, speed, strength, etc....are you dumb? In fact, the only characters with an edge in terms of specials are ones with status effecting moves like spear or ice ball, or teleportations....which Scorpion has both, and not only that but his teleport is also offensive, this makes him a very good character for what tiny amount of depth there is for classic MK match ups, since who wins only comes down to who's specials are more exploitable

>>6544629
>He's an iconic character but few people picked him because he was grossly outclassed by most other characters.
>t. zoomer larping as a boomer
lmfao

>>6544317
>>It's fine with me. You just sound triggered.

>>6544685
He does though lol. Not that I don't like tits, but if you're playing MK for the tits I think you've missed the point. And if Titty Fighter Alpha Extreme is what you actually do want Japan has you well covered.

>>6541797
I would kill for a MK4 made with 2D sprites, some guy was making a MUGEN project with that idea, but it was cancelled a few years ago.

>>6544769
>I would kill
Wow you're a real Mortal Kombatant

>>6544769
Those are MK Mythologies sprites. Mortal Kombat Quadrilogy has (or plans to add?) Quanchi, Shinnok and Fuji from MK Mythologies to the MK1-3 roster.

I really recommend MK Quadrilogy. It's the closes you'll get to play Trilogy with Arcade quality sprites.

>>6544286
This. MK11 is a piece of shit. They covered them up all of them.
But let man testicles exploding for some reason.

>>6544754
You're insecure about the fact that you love cock.

>>6545058
Sadly MK4 2D deleted all his gameplay videos, there's only a couple of images left, it combines the weapon usage of the original MK4, the grabs, bonebreakers and the throwable objects.
The only complete projects left are Quadrilogy and OG Project.

>>6544649
>outside of special moves, every character literally has the same exact punches, kicks

That's only true if your dealing with the palette swaps. Things like hitboxes and attack speed distinguish a character just as much as special moves. I remember Sonya in MK1 having a much more spammable sweep than the ninjas in the same game. MK2 ninjas supposedly have the best roundhouses in that game. I don't have any specific examples in MK3\UMK3 because I don't read too much about the competitive aspects of it, but the female ninja's supposedly have a smaller hitbox in that game like in MK2.

JUST

>>6544754
It's more about the hypocrisy of NRS. In MK9 Sonya was wearing a tactical vest with no bra under it. Mileena was naked with only thin strips of toilet paper covering her crotch and nipples. Fans were fine with it, NRS was fine with it. Fast forward to now and omg it's suddenly such a horrendous crime to show any skin on the females because it's "not realistic" according to NRS, but sure half all the men shirtless, no armor, that's fine.

>>6545382
Any reasonable businessman would just turn this into an opportunity to sell alternative outfits as DLCs. Like make some middle of the road (suggestive enough without full on one thread away from being porn) the default and everything between the two extremes purchasable.

>>6539396
>>6541913
It's interesting to think what an MK3 game without this lawsuit dickwaving would've been like. Probably considerably better than what we had gotten.

>>6545454

MK3 sucks, but MK3 with at least Cage instead of Stryker would have been a much better game.

>>6545058
what about the MK Solano Edition, looks different then many of the MKP edits out there.

https://youtu.be/_zQwBe-bjo0

>>6545382
Lol I still think you're whining over nothing.

>>6545493
Not as good as the Vanilla version of MKP

>>6542104
Yeah, Kerri was a major upgrade.

>>6545484
But Stryker's awesome

>>6543932
Do you remember how people felt about the game overall? Pissed about the characters left out? Personally where I was we still played the shit out of MK3. But myself and my group were easy to please. Obviously can see now it's the least good of the original 3.

>>6537595
Ah. You know, seeing as how we still get part 1 in today's games or expansions always coming out later, it totally makes sense. We were doing that all along! And I'm guessing shortly after MK3 came out there was probably talk that Ultimate was on the horizon and soon.

>>6542102
Every tournament fighting game plot is Enter the Dragon. SF2 is even more similar right down to the tournament being a front to hire muscle for the figurehead's drug running cartel, just with added mind control powers.

Would MK3 have been better received if it had come out looking like this?

>>6546991

I remember when it came out and me and my friends kinda felt like

>OMG NEW MK IS COMING?
>WHOOHOOO KANO AND SONYA ARE BACK!
>WHOOoooooo? wha.. what's this?
>I.. I guess it could be good
>Game comes out
>Whooohoooo new characters and stages!!
>WHooooo fatalities!! wait these are stupid.
>Whoo.. aww I miss MKII

>>6537592
>Mortal Kombat
>no ninjas
>4 fucking robots
Mortal Kombat 3 vanilla was a mistake.
UMK3 more than made up for it, though.

>>6547131
That was the general consensus here too. A friend hated the combos and run systems.

>>6546991
We knew it was going to be a two part release back then via magazine interviews.

>>6547191
No we didn't. Here's a pre-release interview that already feels like something is amiss with the game.

And part two of the interview.

>>6547226
Doesn't feel like that at all t.b.h.
It just sounds like they are very satisfied with the game they are making.

>>6547158
I remember seeing a video of a guy with an MK3 cabinet prefering it to UMK3 because in his opinion "UMK3 is just MK3 with ninjas". The video is old and probably long gone now.

>>6547297
They are, yeah. From a reader's point of view they're saying stuff that makes me raise some eyebrows, though. "Only six returning characters?" Never mind that is objectively wrong, by the way, and there are seven returning characters (not counting Smoke). So even then they didn't seem to have their shit together that close to release date, which is typical of the MK dev team.

>>6547127
I think the two biggest duds on the MK3 roster are Stryker and Kabal, actually, and not the cyborgs.

>>6547342
Stryker sucks but I think he fits the MK universe well. I like most of what they did with 3 thematically though, it's the gameplay where it falls apart.

>>6547342
This thread is honestly the first time I've seen people complain about Kabal, I'm kinda surprised. He's easily the coolest dude in 3.

>>6544629
Now this is some zoomerific revisionist history right here. Scorpion was nowhere near unpopular back in the day lmao

>>6547127
I suppose but I can't imagine it without at least one of the cyborgs. They are essentially The Predator, wich may not fit with the martial arts theme but the games were also a sponge of popular movie elements from the time (Kano being a reference to The Terminator).

>>6545535
Not him but that's because you're a very stupid zoomer. 'lol'.

>>6537941
>>6543932
Yeah, they axed Sheeva and not a lame character like Stryker.
Boon and Tobias were so sure that everyone would love Stryker that when it didn't happen they still tried to force him down our throats.

I'm not even a MK fan anymore, but Sheeva is easily one of the best characters in the series. Everyone wanted to play as Goro, but he's too strong, so we have a female Goro that, as a woman, isn't strong as Goro but still stronger than everyone else.

I still contend Reiko was an interesting character in his original MK4 incarnation when there was mystery to him.

>>6547342
>and not the cyborgs.

I disagree with that, Mortal Kombat's style was always the weirdness of Big Trouble in Little China mixed with Enter the Dragon & Bloodsport.
Yeah Kano had his cyborg eye, but to go from a thug with a cyborg eye ripping your heart out to full on cyborgs who explode the world/trash compact you. that's.. just too much.
maybe from a gameplay standpoint they are good, but Boon & Co. ruined the mystical atmosphere in MK when they added full on cyborgs and lame empty stages like the bank/rooftop/balcony.
(I wont complain about the street and bridge stages because I feel they capture the feel of the earth having been invaded.)

>>6548013

Because of the ending in mk4 i thought reiko was shao Kahn reincarnated or something.

>>6548274

I thought it meant something like "ohhhhhh he was secretly Shao Kahn all along!"
then they came out and said "lol, no. that's not what we meant AT ALL"

Fucking idiots at Midway/NRS, MK4 hast so many stupid endings where they keep on talking and talking, and for Reiko's you can't give us a simple "YOU ARE NOW KAHN'S SUCCESSOR!" ??

>>6546991
Yeah the buildup hype was big and we still played it a lot.
It was strange but I think the realization that it wasn't as interesting as MK2 wasn't so obvious at first.
As others anon said, Sonya and Kano back was a huge deal, Tsung looked more edgy (and thus cooler) than his MKII version, and had better moves IMO, Sheeva, as already stated, was kino and one of the most impressive MK characters ever (I'm glad to see more appreciation for her itt), Not having the ninjas was weird but we were still distracted by the cyborgs (btw Cyrax ended up being my main, mostly because I learned how to play with him by watching an older guy play him extremely good right when the game came out).
Kabal was cool I liked his mask, Stryker was the only one that I thought was shitty.
Also the SEKRETS, I played as Smoke a lot on the SNES version, and you'd be hopeful there'd be more hidden characters to play as, that was always one of the main selling points in MK. Having Smoke getting teased on the very char select screen was a smart move.
The post-apocalyptic city setting was also in tone with the general aesthetic of the mid 90s, so even though in retrospect it is more boring than MK1 or 2, it seemed cool back then. Also the church stage is still pretty good looking, as is >>6543932 (too bad you transition into Motaro's boring stage if you uppercut there).
MK3 and UMK3 actually have some of the best stages in the series, it's just overall there's less memorable/iconic ones than the ones in 1 and 2, and that accounts for the game in general too.
One thing I immediately thought was shitty were the animalities. I loved the idea of them because Liu's dragon fatality was my favorite from 2, but in 3 they have the shitty traced graphics (including Liu's dragon one which looks exactly the same as 2's, except bad).

>>6547131
That was our reaction as well.
>>6547158
Man, such a classic logo design. I used to draw that fucking dragon on EVERYTHING. We were obsessed with Mortal Kombat growing up. Got my parents to take me and my 2 buddies to see the MK movie opening weekend, we were 11. I later would rent that movie every fucking weekend from the same video store (I don't know why I never just bought the VHS. I did a couple years later) and literally knew every single line, I would act out the movie and all the fights with me playing all the parts on my trampoline. Probably looked absolutely retarded and spastic to any neighbor watching, throwing kicks and punches and jumping around and then being the other guy miming getting my ass kicked. Kids are retarded.

I remember the first time I ever saw MK. It was showing the demo attract screen on the arcade at a local skating rink probably in late 92 or early 93. I just remember 8 year old me standing dumbfounded seeing all this dark and bad ass Bloodsport-esque imagery, blood and spikes and death.. it was the coolest thing I ever saw.

>>6547391
>it's the gameplay where it falls apart
Compared to the previous two? You mean the running and the combos or what?

>>6548525

It really was super cool, and the magazine hype was huuuuuuuuge too.
Mortal Mania indeed, I'm still not sure how the MK guys managed to drop the ball so badly.

>>6547226
>Maybe they don't get what it is about Mortal Kombat that makes it Mortal Kombat

Oh the irony that they'd say that while they were making the most un-mk like game in the series.

>>6537592
But bro, CYBORGS bro

>>6548547

>>6548590
Animalities were super gay because of that mercy shit requirement.

>>6548529
Yeah the run button and dial combos were what did it in for me. I was probably starting to burn out in MK by that point anyway but the gameplay in 3 just never felt right. I actually liked the setting and most of the characters but I got out of MK entirely after that and fighting games in general for a few years until I found KoF then didn't play a Mortal Kombat game again till 9.

>>6548807
Animalities were just gay as fuck anyway. So fucking lame, the animals didn't even make sense in alot of cases. And if it had always been planned to be a two part release, why the fuck didn't they reserve a SCORPION for Scorpions animality? It was some other animal if I recall.

Any time I hear the word Animality I think of that terrible scene from MK Annihilation where that dude from Indian in the Cupboard playing Nightwolf did the worst CG morph from a wolf to human and then cockily asks Liu "Like it? It's my ANIMALITY"

So bad.

>>6548887
>Animalities were just gay as fuck anyway.
Liu Kang's is the only one that I remember not being shit.

>Any time I hear the word Animality I think of that terrible scene from MK Annihilation where that dude from Indian in the Cupboard playing Nightwolf did the worst CG morph from a wolf to human and then cockily asks Liu "Like it? It's my ANIMALITY"
That sounds terrible and I'm glad I have no idea what that is.

>>6548905
It's the second Mortal Kombat movie, Mortal Kombat Annihilation. Its fucking horrible and most actors didn't return except for Liu Kang and Kitana. Rest are recasted. There is also an infamouz reuse of film in it, early on Rain is on screen for like 2 mins serving Kahn and then Shao Kahn gets pissed over something he says and knocks him into this fire pit in his throne room.

Later Liu Kang fights Baraka (in super shitty costume) in the same set and knocks him into the same fire pit. They use the same clip of Rain falling into the fire for Baraka, its so obvious its laughable too. I mean motherfucker is a purple ninja, its pretty easy to tell that isn't Baraka falling.

Check out the trailer. I do recommend seeing it as an MK fan just to see how bad it is, when MK 1 movie is probably still the best video game movie ever made, in my opinion.
https://youtu.be/ObHbkrh8qZM

Look up Baraka fight scene (its only like 1 min long) and check out the Rain thing, its hilarious.

They try to shoe horn in all the characters which results in people like Ermac literally being on screen like 30 seconds. Also for some reason Ermac spawns Noob Saibot out of himself.

I will say the cyborg ninja costumes looks OK, but clearly also cheap.

One more thing I just remembered... when Deadly Alliance came out, the first PS2 MK game, it included a bonus feature which was a cool documentary on the history of the series, with Ed Boon commenting on events and stuff... they dedicate a whole segment to the Mortal Kombat movie in 1995, how much of a hit it was and show a bunch of clips and stuff. When they get to 1996, literally it just says "A second MK film is released" and Ed Boon just says like "Yeah in 1996 we also did the second Mortal Kombat movie, Annihilation". And that's literally it lol.. they just move on. That's all he says about it, that it existed.

>>6548905
>Liu Kang's is the only one that I remember not being shit.
Possibly because it was just an old school fatality.

Always wondered if he could turn into a fucking dragon why he didn't just do that at the start of the fight..

>>6548905
>>6548950
Liu Kang's Dragon animality in MK Annihilation lol

He fights some other horrible CG, Shao Kahn, which turns into some hydra like tentacle monstrosity, in stiff and badly animated sumo wrestling, since they really just kind of push each other around and slam each other once or twice.

>>6548950
>Always wondered if he could turn into a fucking dragon why he didn't just do that at the start of the fight..
Against the rules of the tournament, abilities like that or even Kung Lao's hat decapitation (he throws the hat all the time, why not aim for the neck at the start?) are not allowed during a match between Kombatants and are only allowed for fatalities.

>>6548942
Oh God, I remember this movie now.

>>6548997
HAHAHA YOU WEAK, PATHETIC FOOL! YOU WILL DIE, MORTAL!

>>6537603
How is this confusing to you?

>working on game
>short deadline
>decide to release it in "editions"
>regular edition
>"ultimate" edition
>"trilogy" edition
>both editions after the regular one have the exact same gameplay and sprites, but as did additional characters each time.

Also, you apparently never played an arcade fighting of any kind before if any of this sounds foreign or odd to you. Almost all of them did it.

>>6548887
>It was some other animal if I recall.
It was a fucking penguin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMvLPzNtCTM

A look at why Annihilation was so shit, for anyone who cares

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32eQ-88WOpI&

>>6549053
Yeah, what the actual fuck!? If I recall, a scorpion was already used by like Sheeva or Cyrax or something? That alone to me shows either when these were conceived and created, plans to release an updated version with Scorpion wasn't a thing yet or they are just completely fucking retarded and thought it would be cute to make the guy named after an actual animal (insect, arachnid what the fuck ever) something completely unrelated.

Even if the second scenario is true, you would think they would just change it in subsequent versions like UMK3. Give Scorpion the fucking scorpion animality and give whoever had it something else

>>6549080
One of my favorite episodes he has done so far... goddamn that movie sucked and some completely retarded decisions were made.

>>6548942
>>6549003
>>6548964
Top kek. This is actually worse than fan-made shit on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYZOPFtXMgs

>>6549116
Yeah it's probably worth watching just for the cheese factor at this point but when it came out, wow what a horrid disappointment. The first MK movie was awesome. It was still way cheesy but rolled with it. I even took my mom because she was semi into MK at the time and we had a blast. Annihilation though was so god damned awful I found it hard to even appreciate on that level and never saw it again after that first viewing. I almost want to now thougg.

>>6537814
So did SF3 and more recently, SC5. Look at how shit that game was. Turns out, taking away the cast that people love is a shit idea and is basically self sabotage. All of these franchises basically had to reboot themselves afterward, nothing saved them from that mistake.

>>6549151
Yeah, they hammed it up in the martial arts movie sort of way but with a wink and nod to the viewers/MK fans. And it helped that the fight scenes were actually really well done and entertaining. Scorpion is so fucking brutal, just relentlessly beating on Johnny Cage and stomping and kicking the fuck out of him when he's knocked on the ground. The Reptile fight was really good too, it goes hard, the song the use kicks ass and Liu Kang beats him the fuck up so much that it is the only scene (besides the one of the original character, that black karate guy, Art Lee or something) that had a Kombatant actually appear to be in their dizzy for a fatality. Of course he finishes him off with a bicycle kick but even that actually looked good.

>>6545138
The costume designer for MK11 is literally a homosexual. Now are you so surprised all of the women look like dump trucks with burka's on, and all of the men are glistening adonis' practically sweating baby oil?

>>6544649
>>6545224
Mk2 Mileena was the most broken character by miles. She was basically O.Sagat: MK Edition. U/MK3 was full retard broken all over the place, Kabal for example was crazy OP, fucking Kung Lao had one special infinites, all sorts of shit.

So the question is.. was UMK3 always planned? yes or no?

Some say yes, because of the BTS videos having footage of the female ninja being digitized.
But what if that was just footage they shot during the UMK3 creation process?

Also, apparently the bank stage is gone from UMK3? (says so on tcrf)
why would they remove an entire stage if the plan was to make an addon all along?

why make black Kano into Noob when the plan was for UMK3 to exist later on?

Personally I think UMK3 was a panic move by Midway, because they were so high on their own farts that that they thought they could do no wrong.
Vanilla MK3 just looks like a gigantic corporate middle finger to Daniel Pesina, which is why they didn't add the ninjas or Cage or Raiden.
but when MK3 reception turned out to be weak Midway panicked and quickly digitized a male and female ninja and went crazy with palette swaps.

>>6549330

Oh yeah and the whole Sheeva having the Scorpion animality instead of.. Scorpion!
why not keep that animal for your "intended" upgrade? easy, because UMK3 was never planned.

>>6549330
The real answer is likely something in between. Most game development includes tons of stuff that never makes it into the actual game. So when Midway saw the lukewarm reception after a few weeks/months, they went "Alright, we need to fix this", and took resources they already had leftover from MK3's development, and then added more stuff.

Why they removed some stuff is unknown, maybe space limitations due to price or some shit, who knows.

And did you know UMK3 removed all the fancy bio pictures for the characters? and all of the intro pictures where the story is explained? all gone!
UMK3 was never planned, they had made a full game but got a weak reception, so they went back to the drawing board and cut a buncha stuff and shoehorned in the new stuff.

>>6548887
>>6548942
>>6548964
>>6549003
>>6548997
>>6549080
>>6549116
Whenever I remember Mortal Kombat Annihilation I think back to this article from Cinemafantastique. Some of the people behind it seemed pretty proud of the movie, especially the special effects allegedly being pioneered, it kinda makes me feel bad.
Tbh I've come to enjoy MKA as a guilty pleasure more than I do the first one as a legit pleasure. The first one may be a good video game movie but the second one is a universally cheesy movie.

>>6549381

>>6549381
>>6549385

I saw a short clip with Christopher Lambert a while back, and they asked him why he wasnt in the second MK movie. his answer?

"I turned it down because the script was just awfull."

>>6548887
Too bad YOU...

>>6549539
Syndel is so fucking hot holy shit I'd nut in her

>>6549539
...will DIE

>>6549539
...will DIE!

Great movie. I mean, it's so bad its horrible, so it's funny as fuck.

>I'm a furry. Do you like it?

>>6549090
>If I recall, a scorpion was already used by like Sheeva or Cyrax or something?
Sheeva. And they cut Sheeva.

>>6549539

always loved me some Musetta Vander.

>>6549560

Just in the console versions right?

>when I see people talking shit of this movie

>>6549565
Yeah

>>6549579
If they fucked would their offspring have four legs and four arms? I mean, this is otherworld meme genetics.

>>6549192
>So did SF3 and more recently, SC5. Look at how shit that game was. Turns out, taking away the cast that people love is a shit idea and is basically self sabotage. All of these franchises basically had to reboot themselves afterward, nothing saved them from that mistake.
Interestingly Tekken 3 did this and it didn't have nearly the sort of backlash other titles had when they did it.

>>6549445
Think about that for a quick moment.
The guy who did Highlander II, one of the worst movies of all time, thought that THIS movie was so bad he didn't want to do it.

>>6549579

You just know she admired herself in the mirror dressed like that, but naked

>>6549635
You mean like replacing Marshall Law with Forest Law, Jack with Gun Jack, Julia with Michelle, Kazuya with Jin... All while having the good sense to keep guys like Yoshimitsu, Heihachi, Lei, Nina/Anna, and Paul around exactly as they were. T3 couldn't be more the opposite of what SF3 did. Garou would be the closer comparison, with character tropes being passed through bloodlines or disciples directly rather than scattered about piecemeal among swaths of the cast. And people love that game too.

>>6549193
Yeah I watched it last year and amazes me how well it still holds up. It's goofy for sure, but boy is it fun.

>>6549224
She also had the easiest fatality. I taught my mom to just spam teleport kicks and rolls then randomly sweep or uppercut and she could trounce a lot of my friends then finish cheering "go Mileena eat em.up and spit out the bones!" I think I legit lost some friends over that but they're the kinds of people you're happy to be rid of lol.

>>6549560
They also cut all the animalities for those versions, iirc.

>>6548942
>Its fucking horrible and most actors didn't return except for Liu Kang and Kitana. Rest are recasted.
For whatever it's worth the guy who played Reptile in the first one returned to play the second, younger Sub-Zero.

>>6547450
You're totally right. Scorpion in MK2 didn't have a shitty moveset that was easily punished. What was I thinking?

>>6549975
Low tier in serious play is a very different thing from unpopular.

>>6537592

>>6550052
>trying too hard / 10

>>6537592
No they didn't, or you'd have fucking heard their explanation by now. Fuck you.

>>6537592

Because there were severe time and hardware/memory limitations to arcade games at the time. Also they were a sequel heavy franchise and could always add more characters in next year's release, which they did.

>>6537592
is there a reason people always seem to mention umk3 instead of the trilogy edition? Is trilogy not just better in every way?

>>6550198
I'll just post some of the things I remember hearing about Trilogy.

>Mugen quality new characters added, some overpowered
>cut down presentation compared to arcade
>Load times for cd versions
>33% faster which screws with people who are used to playing at the arcade versions speed
>kinda buggy

The n64 version usually gets more competitive play than the cd versions because of some gameplay changes, nearly non existent load times, and 3v3.

>>6550198
It sucks. Has more characters but it's an overall worse package. See >>6550219

>>6549894
Didn't know that but oddly enough I've seen both films enough (though 1 far more obviously) to be able to see it just based on the eyes which is all of reptile you can see

>>6550198
Trilogy was exclusively a home release, it didn't have an arcade version.

>>6549635
Difference there is Tekken really didn't swap character so much as swapped models. Jin was just Kazuya with a different skin, and so on and so forth. MK and SF outright wiped away characters everyone had grown to like. Necro doesn't play shit like Dhalsim despite having some stretchy limb gimmicks, Remy isn't a damn thing like Guile, etc.

>>6542339
There was an HD remake of MK1 that a small studio apparently achieved alot with as far as having a playable demo and work done on several characters. According to an anontmous dev who leaked the only screenshots we have, WB apparently loved it when shown and all indications were the project was a go, then said they got a call from WB saying nevermind we don't want it, sorry.

Sucks, I believe it was to coincide with the release of MK9

I don't like mk3/umk3 at all. They looks like a chinese bootleg of mortal kombat with all of the ancient chinese mysticism and music/art replaced with gritty cyberpunk futuristic crap with people dressed like comic book characters. The first and second games were basically big trouble in little china.

>>6549381
>>6549385
Based as fuck article anon! Thanks for sharing.

>>6550837
>coincide with the release of MK9
I was going to say how this sounds an awful lot like what Capcom did with SF2 HD Remix, how it came out partway between SF4 arcade and SF4 home, and maybe it didn't perform up to expectations despite entailing a huge amount of work and getting delayed a ton so it scared WB out of doing the same thing with MK. Except I looked it up and it actually smashed digital-only sales records. So, idk.

>>6537592
>MK Quadrilogy.
Have you guys tried that "Ultimate Mortal Kombat Trilogy" Mod for genesis has all characters from MK1-3 + UMK3 plays pretty well

I havent tried any of the MK's made for mugen the sprites def look good

>>6537592
>tfw sheeva will never give you a double handjob, finger your butthole and caress your balls at the same time

Coomcore

>>6551839
Wait who's the grey female ninja?

>>6551887
Khameleon probably. N64 Trilogy exclusive.

>>6551887
It's Khameleon, >>6551923 got it right.

The PS1 and N64 versions of Trilogy both had a secret ninja that changed colors and could do moves corresponding to the respective color. Their color just changed constantly. The lore was they were the last of a race related to Reptile's.

In PS1 it was a male ninja sprite, and was Chameleon. In the N64 version it was a female ninja sprite and called Khameleon.

>>6549894
Looked pretty lame

Annihilation was bad because it was exactly like the games: a clusterfuck of weird ideas

Who was your favourite character in this mess?

And WHY the BEST CHARACTER IN THE SERIES wasn't in the movie?

Too badass for a bad movie or too lame even for one of the worst movies ever?

>>6552942
No way was he going to let himself be played by Johnny Cage.

>>6552924
I loved the scenes with Cyrax and Smoke (actually Sektor but grey). I like to pretend I'm watching a Saban movie with ninja cyborgs.
>>6552942
Supposedly he and Kabal had a subplot in the original script, hence why Rain mentions capturing them in the movie. Kitana was going to be put in the same prison as them and the three would escape. Just one of several things that had to be cut.

>>6553120

Funny how the first movie is fondly remembered because unlike SF The Movie it managed to keep the focus on the main characters.
then the second MK movie comes out and pulls a SF The Movie times 100 and flops.

I don't think the director knew what he was doing.

The source material (mk3/umk3) being shit also doesn't help.

A dumb thought popped into my head. I wonder how non ninja Sub Zero would've been received if he dress in a suit like in that official MK2 comic instead of the Cabel in blue get up as some here put it.

>>6551923
>>6552430
Oh wow. Now that you mention it, I think I recall seeing a male Khameleon somewhere, but don't recall grey clothes.

>>6553920

It's a Sega Genesis hardware restriction, they do change colors during the fight but just not as quickly as on PSX/N64.

>>6553920
>>6554078

https://youtu.be/jYqeXn62-Ss

>>6547127
>>6547342
I legit think you could remove festival-security-man and replace him with Scorpion and it would be a straight upgrade

>>6555162
Stryker isn't a popular character. Supposedly the idea they were going for was that he's an "everyman" that people could relate to but that logic never made any sense. I think Boon just had a gay crush on his actor (who admittedly is pretty handsome).

>>6547342
>>6555162
>>6555280
I can understand having a police character in a game with an urban fantasy setting, and a regular guy that happens to be that good at fighting as some sort of equivalent to Johnny Cage (who wasn't in the game), but my problem with Stryker is that his design doesn't scream cop to me, I had no idea he was one as a kid. He looked like a guy trying way too hard to look cool in a 90s sort of way, and maybe that's why the staff expected him to become popular.

>>6547127
>
Drop Sindel cause she is just a plot device at best and change her for Sektor. Make Cyrax a hidden character and that's a kickass game right there good buddy.

>>6551839
its hyper jank that is fun with 2 players. If I recall correctly, that question mark on the menu should spawn you as a slab of meat and die instantly.

>>6555326
I agree with you that Sindel is just a plot device but if Kitana was in the game would that have also justified her creation?

>>6537592
>Surely, at some point

and don't call me Shirley.

>>6537592
cuz he sucks

>Replace Unmasked Sub-Zero with Johnny Cage
>Replace the Cyborgs with Scorpion and masked Sub-Zero
>Replace Stryker with Kitana

>Use male/female ninjas to create a bunch of hidden characters that can be fought and unlocked ala cyborg smoke was originally.

>Create Pit 1 stage out of Pit 3 floor and Cemetary moon+clouds (for the hidden fighters)

>Use the 11 best stages of MK3 and UMK3 (MK3 had 11 original stages)
>Street/Subway/Waterfront/Belltower/Cemetary/Desert/Pit3/Church/Soul Chamber/Kahn's Cave/Hell.

>Move the boss fights to Kahn's Cave to make it more like MKII.

All for no increase in rom space, it would be the same space as MK3 had yet be much more like MKII yet still fresh.

cyborgs ruined mk

>>6555486
>best stages
>Hell
I actually think this stage is really stupid because it retcons the Outworld invasion of Earthrealm into an invasion on Netherrealm too for some reason. I get that they wanted Scorpion to have a stage but even the MK movie didn't make his stage so generic. It also transitioning into Kahn's Cave is dumb too.

>>6555551
Netherrealm didn't exist when UMK3 was made.

>>6555551

honestly though "best stages" doesn't really mean much when it comes to mk3.
there's like the graveyard and the soul chamber and thats it.

>>6555467
>>6542352
Nice.

Why are the Animalities all washed out in MK3 with a glow added to them while the new ones are not like that in UMK3/MKT?

>>6556630

It wouldnt surprise me if they didn't do it like that again because it originally cost so much time.
I mean, HOW did they do that? looks like searched through all these national geographic magazines just to find 3 frames of the same animal doing something cool, and then scan in the pictures and cut them out and resize them all to be the right size, and then apply that glow filter to it, and then run it through their state of the art mid 90s morphing tool just to have the fighter morph into the animal.

UMK just digitized a toy penguin like how they did with Goro.
there's not even a morph, its just an explosion with smoke and voila! animal.

Just more proof that UMK3 was a rush job.
(funnily enough the animals in umk3 look much better than that glow stuff)

>Okay so in this fatality Liu Kang drops an MK cabinet on the opponents head.
>What cabinet?
>MK1?
>Ohnonononono that wont do! the suits say we'll all be fired if we use anything that has to do with Daniel Pesina.
>MK2?
>Neh, we fired also Carlos remember?
>MK3?
>Too meta
>Is that even a word in 1995?
>is it?
>We'll just have the arcade guys print out an MK1 side panel without Danny on it.

>Okay so in this fatality Liu Kang drops an MK cabinet on the opponents head.
>What cabinet?
>MK1?
>Oh nonononono that wont do! the suits say we'll all be fired if we use anything that has to do with Daniel Pesina.
>MK2?
>Nope, they also fired Carlos remember?
>MK3?
>Too meta
>Is that even a word in 1995?
>is it?
>We'll just have the arcade guys print out an MK1 side panel without Danny on it.

>>6556712
Sounds more like just a general fuck you Pesina than anything else

>>6538390
>firing the people who had made MK great

every member of the MK1 and 2 developement team was still in the team for MK3 and 4.

>>6556693
>go through the trouble of giving Scorpion a new penguin animality
>not just giving him Sheeva's and giving her a new one instead
You know this thread has really made me hate MK3/UMK3 and I was okay with it before.

>>6556630
>>6556693
According to interviews they used the animal footage they had in hand and the glow effect was used to hide how bad some of it was.
I'm surprised no one tried to trace where they got the footage and find the original images.

UMK3 and Trilogy Animalities were just drawings and cheap renders, because Animalities are such a bad idea that no one cared anymore.

>Nightwolf turns into a wolf
>Scorpion doesn't turn into a scorpion but into a fucking PENGUIN
>Reptile doesn't turn into a reptile, but into a monkey
And what the fuck was Kabal's skeleton rhino thing?

It's so bad that may be good, and I can't help but laugh at Rain turning into a mini-baby elephant and trumpeting his opponent to death.

>>6556750
desu I find it hilarious that Scorpion's animality was a penguin, not just because of his name but he also has fire powersvand stages. Now I wish the penguin was a recurring motif of his somehow for the hell of it, maybe in more joke fatalities and easter eggs and the like.

>>6556884
>use a secret kode
>spear turns into a penguin

>>6556726

I actually just remembered that Nightwolf morphs into Raiden and drops an MKII cabinet.
guess it was all hate towards Daniel then.

Must be so weird for these two brothers to talk about this.

>so eh, still working for those assholes who Jew'd me out of my creation?
>yeah.. we just finished off mocap sessions for MK12
>what are they doing this time?
>oh, well they hired this mtftm who wrote this story about that time goddess having a transgender son who decides that to undo all the messing with the time line everybody should be gender swapped.
>gender swapped?
>yeah, female Raiden and shit.

>>6557253
>so eh, still working for those assholes who Jew'd me out of my creation?

Who are you pretending to be here?

>>6556712
>>We'll just have the arcade guys print out an MK1 side panel without Danny on it.
Is that what they actually did to digitize it? I would think just digitizing an MK1 cabinet and then editing the sprite to remove Pesina would be far easier but maybe not.

There was definitely alot of bad blood between Midway and the original actors and their royalty lawsuit (which I think they lost? Didn't the court say they weren't recognizable enough in sprite form to get them on use of likeness). Sad it went that way.

Did Ed Boon personally have beef with Pesina and those other guys like Ho Sung Pak or whatever too?

>>6557282
Someone who is based and redpilled

>>6557382
>and then editing the sprite to remove Pesina would be far easier

Yeah, I think that's what they did. I was actually just studying the image and it seems a tad wobbly. so you're right, they probably digitized the cabinet and then someone redrew the snake.

>>6552924
As other anon said, the cyborgs looked pretty based. Cheap and clearly motocross gear but cool and the fight scene was cool until the stupid ass net CG, looked gay as fuck.

I will say I thought the use of the UMK3 game accurate versions of the ninja costumes, like for Rain, Ermac, Noob, Scorpion, etc, with the weird patterns like diamonds and shit on the body, looks gay as fuck in real life.

And I sort of actually liked Jax's arms but he was played as a whatchu talkin bout Willis jive ass turkey type far too much, I imagine Jax as like a cleancut military type.

>>6557253
Oh god they're not really doing this are they???

>>6555371
You mean like because Kitana was in MKII, having Sindel would be okay? I mean, I see how that can be an argument but to me Kitana just seems a lot more interesting as a character if she is this orphan that Shao Kahn kind of took under his wing. Does she know Shao Kahn is not her real father? Does she know what he did to Edenia? Just how much does she really know? Once you bring out Sindel its kind of a given that at some point she´ll get the full story and will turn on Shao Kahn.
Sindel could have been kept as a plot device for the entire saga and that would have made having Kitana in that roster seem a lot more natural than having Sindel herself. Like, Kitana could have been part of Outworld's forces because at the end of de merging of realms she would have got her mom back, but then again that means detroying Earth and billions of people that have nothing to do with her wanting mom back. Inner struggles and shit.
I don't know... to me it just makes the entire story a lot better to save her actual appearance to the last possible moment. Maybe UMK3.

>>6557382
Wasn't the beef with Pesina in particular over how he used his likeness to publicize some competing shovelware MK-like?

>>6555316
I always thought he looked like a bicycle cop as a kid. Just stupid as fuck and baffling for MK.

I mean, a black and blue design with maybe bulletproof vest/police type armor and not a dorky and dating as fuck backwards be local would have been a huge improvement in his character.

>>6557457
According to him no, the lawsuit was already coming and Midway already knew, he dispute had already occured. That became a meme narrative later but it did piss off Midway yes.

>>6557480
*be local = ballcap

autocorrect, phone posting scum atm

>>6557429

At this point I would not be surprised.

>>6549810
>I taught my mom to just spam teleport kicks and rolls then randomly sweep or uppercut and she could trounce a lot of my friends then finish cheering "go Mileena eat em.up and spit out the bones!" I think I legit lost some friends over that but they're the kinds of people you're happy to be rid of lol.
Unfathomably based.

>>6557457

No the Bloodstorm thing was after the lawsuit, the Bloodstorm guys were asking around and Tobias referred them to Daniel after the lawsuit.
so he did the advert and make some good money, Tobias said he referred them to Daniel because he felt bad about what had happened.

Looking back its obvious that Midway tried really hard to create a new MK game without anything from Daniel in it, slap another logo on MK3 and change some names and it could have been a weak MK knockoff game.

Ever noticed how Stryker still has his red palette uniform on his avatar pic?

Also, UMK3 select screen features some slightly cut off avatars. probably so they could fit everybody on there.
just an observation.

Would you lads consider that furry fighting game, Brutal Paws of Fury or something, a MK ripoff? One of the only 16-bit fighters I have never played. Don't think it even had an arcade version. The aforementioned furry art design has always turned me off but I just thought of it for some reason.

Does it have fatalities?

>>6557556
Is that the arcade version? I think the portraits are more cropped or its fixed in UMK3 and the home ports of MK3.

>>6557667

both >>6557556 and >>6557563 are the arcade versions.

MK3 on the Genesis seems to be just like the arcade version, even having Stryker's red shirt on his avatar.
Snes MK3 is cropped as fuck.

>>6557758
Looks like Snes had a way better color palette.

>>6557667

both >>6557556 and >>6557563 are the arcade versions.

MK3 on the Genesis seems to be just like the arcade version, even having Stryker's red shirt on his avatar.

>>6557782

Just caught me as I was updating a better comparison pic.
but yeah, Snes had more colors but worse resolution. so both versions offered something.

>>6557783
I see.

I honestly can't remember ever noticing the red on Stryker in the portrait (I usually notice small details like that) but it did seem vaguely familiar when you showed and mentioned it too...

I don't know man, I'm in my mid 30s and have always smoked a fuck ton of weed, medical grade these days, so yeah, I forget

>>6537592
I absolutely adore Mortal Kombat 3 and ultimate design, I feel MK2 was a bit more creepy and felt more hand drawn... but the edgyness of 3 the whole world around it, you could make the story yourself by just seeing those backgrounds. Amazing for it's time, pure balls.

>>6557812
You're a fucking faggot dude, MK3 art, aesthetics and level design are pure 90s Image Comics cringe and shit.

>>6557826
Anyone know what this is from? MUGEN? What is this? Is the ninja at the bottom right Chameleon? Doesn't look like Rain.

>>6557841

Looks like someone's shitty shoop, I once made one myself in the late 90s.

>>6557797
>medical grade these days, so yeah, I forget

oof gimme some, my ehlers danlos has been getting worse lately.

>>6557826
>>6557826
>MK3 art, aesthetics and level design are pure 90s Image Comics
Good. Can't get enough of that.

>>6557868
Post your address, will send in mail.

I went to see my mom today and she smelled it in a bag in my pocket from six feet away and in a mask haha. "Ugh I can't stand the smell of that cheap, Anon!"

>>6557868
>>6557902
Not from dispensary at the moment and not as well manicured, but just as good or better.

>>6557902
*cheap = shit, autocorrect.

This shit certainly isn't cheap Mom

Why is there footage of the Jax digitization process without his metal arms? were they originally going for more of an MKII style?

>>6557925
I thought it was because they were drawn on the sprites and it was easier thsn making functional metal arts for mocap.

The metal arms never existed IRL if I recall correctly.

>>6557932

Sorry, but they were.

>>6557934

Which was apparently a technique they were also using with his original (scrapped) MKII look.
As you can see the gloves were painted on.

>>6557934
That's fucking paint, bro.

I guess that footage is from before they applied the paint that day or mayne they weren't sure which they would go with.

>>6557936
>That's fucking paint, bro.

I know that's paint, was just saying they weren't later added to the sprites.
maybe they tried to shoop on some metal arms but it looked fucky, so they went back to the >>6557935 technique.

>>6557945
Maybe, but as far as I know there was never a plan to have him without them as the original post implies and as the anon showed with the scrapped MKII design, metal fists/arms were already a design motif in mind before MK3. Personally I always thought he was a bit plain/WWF wrestler looking in MKII. I think the same sprite they ended up with but with metal fists like the scrapped version would have made the character look better and they could have been upgraded to arms in 3.

Might make it make sense how he can slug it out with all this supernatural shit just as a dude in spandex pants. Cage at least was a world class martial artist. Jax was just SF. But I suppose Sonya was too and she's way smaller and a woman so whatever

>>6557951

Metal arms Jax never bothered me, but why the purple pants? was he going to some sort of gay USO show?

>>6557958
The purple pants were definitely faggot shit... but oddly enough they also sort of fit the design motif of the extreme grimdark Image Comics 90s that it was obviously going for so they never seemed egregious to me. Metal arms Jax is just a more interesting to look at as a sprite than the boring MKII one.

>>6557968
>than the boring MKII one.

Eh, I disagree with that. MKII Jax was more about that actual violence.
big fucking black man ripping your arms off with all his might, that just appeals more to me that him firing rockets from his arms or growing to giant size just to step on you.

MKII Jax would rip your arms off or fucking smash your head, and he was so powerful he could punch the ground to cause an earthquake.
still fantasy, but more of a fight fantasy than that weird scifi fantasy of MK3.

>>6557958
>>6557968
Purple and hot pink weren't really associated with fags back then. A lot of male 80s and early 90s fashion had these colors.

>>6558068
I didn't mean faggot shit as in actual homosexuals, I meant they were gay as fuck. Calm your autism.

>>6557974
No the character was fine, his visual design is boring. Too plain. It's like they thought just making him black was enough.

>>6542104
>>6545805
She also did Playboy. Enjoy.

>>6558147

As did her sister, heyoooooooo

JUST

https://archiveofourown.org/works/24942442

I finally did that futa Sindel story

>>6557925
I used to wonder if Mirror Match Jax had ripped his fucking arms off between MKII and MKIII or something.

>>6558819

No, in classic MK it was Jax himself who "chose to outfit both arms with indestructable bionic implants."
so his arms were never ripped off, he's just wearing some sort of covering?

wasnt there a joke in the second mk movie where he gets annoyed by them and sheds them? or am i thinking of another movie?

>>6551839
That hack was made by russian guy nicknamed Kabal and it's bugged like fuck with great amount of totally uninspired and downright stupid additions like shitton of wacky fatalities and unbalanced MK1-2 characters. Here in Russia we call that "vasyanstvo".

>>6559248

Its fun though, bought a Mega Everdrive just to play that on real hardware years ago.
Based Russians and their love for Mega Drive Mortal Kombat.

I wonder how they felt about that recent MK source code leak..

>>6542632
>>6542767
Tobias never hated Boon. That's urban legend. What he wasn't happy with was Midway management at the time were cutting costs and cheaping out as the Arcades were dying and a lot of big dev names in Midway were also really unhappy that their previous budgets were being slashed. MK:SF was that it was rushed out to beat a deadline and Midway Management used it as an excuse to start. Employees revolted and started leaving for better offers. Tobias found out Microsoft was willing to put up the money to help set up a studio if they made their first three games Xbox exclusive and left to start up Studio Gigante. Midway lost so much talent like Eugene Jarvis that shareholders ended up firing the management and put a developer who had a business degree in charge of studios (Matt Booty, the guy who created the soundboard technology on NBA Jam and MK2 had business development experience so he was put in charge of the studios) so some were happy to stay on like Ed Boon and Mark Turmell because they then felt someone could fight their corner.
90's Midway was a mess but it was usually employees Vs management unless it was with the capture actors.

>>6557384
No, literally. Was that supposed to be one of the Pesinas?

>>6559841

You're not a very bright person are you?

>>6557852
Well the thing is there is videos of this character select screen on weird 3rd worlder accounts on a couple of sites like Daily motion.

It's titled Secret Mortal Kombat Select Screen, though we all know thats bullshit:
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x38d4iw

The weird white ninja at the bottom right just appears solid white on the select screen but they already have Smoke. Chameleon?

Surely this is from a rom hack or MUGEN game

>>6559976
Maybe you're not good at relating.

>>6549385
>Quantum leap above the first film

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

>>6560220
Quantum Leap was a good show though. SAM ZIGGY OH BOY etc

>>6539094
>They killed him off because of Daniel Pesina and Bloodstorm.

People are missing the part where he also played Scorpion and Sub-Zero and his brother was Raiden.

THIS is why those characters are not in MK3. It's a deliberate fuck you to Pesina. "Not only will we not have you play these characters, we also will straight up remove all your characters from the game."

The only one who got away from this initially was Sub Zero and that's because they made him look like Henry Rollins

>>6560225
I loved it as a kid but couldn't get through the first season, all the god stuff just seemed so dumb to me. I can handle religious characters in shows but the idea of a genius quantum physicist interpreting the world like a fucking evangelical grated on my nerves. I imagine it's the kind of show that got better after the first season since I remember plenty of great episodes from watching it as a kid.

Plus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzg10X0lN5I

>>6542104
So who's got the link to her dressed up as Sonya working out in pools of her own sweet sweat? I remember the first time I saw that I was cheery for a whole week.

>>6559169
>wasnt there a joke in the second mk movie where he gets annoyed by them and sheds them? or am i thinking of another movie?
Yeah, it's when he's fighting Motaro and they begin to malfunction and he's like "Fuck it, don't need 'em" and then just bare knuckles Motaro. I'm not sure where the idea came from that he had his arms ripped off and why they chose to canonize it.

>>6560624
>I'm not sure where the idea came from that he had his arms ripped off
I remember magazines at the time making a big fuss about how he got a dose of his own arm ripping fatality, probably comes from that.

>and why they chose to canonize it
Midway/NRS team is filled with idiots, these are the people who thought it would be a good idea to turn fanfic crap (blaze/tremor/ermac) into actual characters.

inb4 "durrr ermac was real"

>>6560642
I always thought them turning the datamine rumors into real characters was pretty cool of them t b h

>>6560645

>My cousin's nephew swears he fought Blaze in the pit 2
>He said that after winning his match with just low punches Blaze tore Hornbuckle in half and then jumped into the foreground
>Boon is this true?
>It will be in the next MK!

ughh

>>6560520
I remember the retard episode! Based Sam Beckett jumped into a mongoloid.

>>6560442
Makes good sense, though there probably should have been an alternate Scorpion I liked them.switching up the roster, I just didn't like how it all played.

>>6552915
pretty sure that guy played Reptile in the first movie

Ever noticed how there are no behind the scenes pics/footage of Kabal during the making of MK3?

Or Liu Kang for that matter, there's pics/video of everybody but these two guys.

>>6562083
>>6562085
Shrugs

>>6562089

There's some sort of BTS conspiracy going on, I just don't know what kind yet.

>>6562407
Like the evil firing of the Pesinas? Lol

>>6560624
>I'm not sure where the idea came from that he had his arms ripped off
>>6558819 here, I just thought that, didn't see anywhere.

>and why they chose to canonize it
...They did?

>>6563394
Yeah, in the MK9 reboot Jax is shown getting his arms torn off by Ermac during the MKII story bit. This is carried over into MKX and MK11. In that new MK animated movie, Jax has his arms torn off by Goro.

>>6562085
And no one have a recent pic of the guy who did Stryker.

>>6563495

Poor guy must have realized everybody hates his character, So he probably grew a beard and donned a hat.
hoping that nobody will recognize him, even now 25 years later.

>Stryker? oh no sir never heard of the man.
>But I'm sure he did a great job and is pretty sad that people consider him the worst character in the otherwise amazing Mortal Kombat 3© by Midway Games©

>>6563627
>Poor guy must have realized everybody hates his character
>FGC hates Striker
>most of the FGC is black
>Striker is a cop

>>6564985
>not Jax
Fail.

>>6564845
>policw brutality coming up!
Is Stryker /ourguy/?

>>6565107
Or Cyrax

>>6564985
>>6564845
>>6563627
The concept of the character isn't that bad... I find it more curious that his actor was so out of shape at the time of production, even when he knew and promised to get in shape for the job.

>>6565107
>>6565349

Shokan's aren't white.

>>6565361
Raiden seemed out of shape too and turned out fine. They should have cast the actor as another character

>>6537776
>so lets put in a bunch of stupid robots instead

>>6541340
you haven't heard of Street Fighter 2 and all of its editions then?

Who won the mortal kombats then. Lu Kang won the first one right.

>>6565361
He actually wasn't out of shape, see his photo here >>6552942, but for whatever reason he comes across as really portly once digitized.
>>6565951
Liu Kang won all of them. It's probably the biggest critique about the older game lore and why people were interested in Deadly Alliance (MK5) once it came out, since it outright kills off Liu Kang in the opening cinematic.

thank you for this amazing thread guys. not much shitposting and plenty of boomer videogame discussion

>>6565951
>>6566025
I think it's complicated because several endings ended up being canon in some games.
Also some versions end up with the Mortal Kombat's finale being interrupted. (Like the Shaolin Monks' timeline for MK 1)

>>6537595
>>6537592
UMK3 was Midway's answer to Sonic & Knuckles and the 20 rereleases of SFII.

>>6566424
Who beat the final boss in the previous game is usually stated or outright shown.
>MK1:
Liu Kang defeats Shang Tsung. Shown during the attraction visual in MKII.
>MK2:
Liu Kang defeats Shao Kahn. Stated in his MK3 bio.
>MK3:
Implied that Liu Kang defeats Shao Kahn but doesn't state it in his MK4 bio.
>MK4:
Liu Kang defeats Shinnok but I don't remember where it's stated. It's in either the Deadly Alliance or Deception Konquest mode.
>Deadly Alliance:
Everyone dies against Shang Tsung and Quan Chi except Raiden, whom is defeated by them both and then Quan Chi backstabs Shang Tsung before Onaga shows up. This is all shown in the intro video to Deception.
>Deception:
Shujinko defeats Onaga, which somehow purges Onaga's soul from Reptile's body. This is stated in Armageddon's Konquest mode.
>Armageddon:
Shao Kahn defeats Blaze off-screen and then kills Raiden. Shown in MK9's story mode intro.
>MK9:
We see in this game's story mode Raiden is the one who defeats Shao Kahn. Liu Kang is killed by Raiden inadvertently.
>MKX:
In the story section that supplants the point where MK4 should happen, Johnny Cage is the one who defeats Shinnok. In the timeskip section, Cassie Cage defeats Shinnok for the second time.
>MK11:
Liu Kang defeats Kronika is the game's story mode, but the Aftermath story DLC gives you the option of Liu Kang or Shang Tsung becoming super duper god of everything after the DLC quest.

>>6566851
>MK1
Technically Scorpion's finale holds true in MKII, as well.

>MK3:
>Implied that Liu Kang defeats Shao Kahn but doesn't state it in his MK4 bio.
Yeah, I think that's pointed out at least in MK9, he beat Shao Khan in proper Mortal Kombat.

>Deadly Alliance
If I recall, Reptile's ending is canon and that's how he gets possessed by Onaga, no?
Almost sure Cyrax and Nitara's endings also match, but don't recall if they happen.
Don't recall if Scorpion's ending was the one in which he gets pushed into the soul tornado, which ties into his return as the Chosen of the Elder Gods in Deception.

>Deception
I believe either Kitana or Sindel's ending showed how they find out about how to exorcise Onaga from Reptile.

>Armageddon - MK9
This pissed me off so hard.

Your favourite and least favourite characters? My favourites are Baraka and Quan Chi. Both are pretty good designs even in comparison to other fighting games and interesting characters.
Well, at least Quan Chi original design was good. Modern is trash.

Least favourites are Stryker (a fucking traffic cop?) and generic trash like Jarek and Reiko. Cyborgs are dumb but at least are funny as fuck.

>>6566078
Yeah, I'm not even a MK fan anymore but this thread was so comfy.

>>6557974
yeah, he ripped people's arms and dont forget, the clapper! right out of fucking Riki-Oh!

>>6568241

I miss the fucking classic MK days so much, it was a really special time.

>>6568169
>Least favourites are Stryker (a fucking traffic cop?)
Actual cop Stryker from MK9 is what the one from MK3 should've been like. MK3 Stryker looks like something Eric Harris would wear to look cool.

>>6568169
>Well, at least Quan Chi original design was good. Modern is trash.
I think his "redesign" in Deadly Alliance where the tattoos were literally the encantation to the Dragon King's resurrection transposed onto his skin was a good lore decision but in subsequent games it's been retconned where these are just generic devil tattoos is stupid.

I hate how Jax went from a clear-cut proud american military man to a complete NIGGER, like a cyber nigger. Just look at this.

Meanwhile John Parrish, the real Jax is a right-wing Trump suporter.

>>6568821
Welcome to hell, also known as the current year.

>>6568368
I agree about the lore side, but for me Quan Chi looked better as a mysterious freaky sorcerer out of Hellraiser than as a skinny Marilyn Manson wannabe.

I would love to see what decent designers like Capcom artists would do with him.

>>6568821
Now that portrayal of Jax is racist.

>>6566851
>MK2:
>Liu Kang defeats Shao Kahn. Stated in his MK3 bio.
Strangely enough everybody thought Kung Lao was the canonic winner of MK2 until the next one rolled out. Was it official at any point?

>we don't need ninjas
>half of the roaster are cyborgs

>Raiden has to pick the best combatants the Earth has to defend against the invasion
>picks include a traffic cop and a guy already half dead who requires a respirator
In retrospect it's not really a surprise Raiden became such a fuckup desu

>>6569549
I used to think Kung Lao's MK3 ending was canon (he wins but dies). That would have been kinda cool, but no...

>>6569632
>be a god
>compete in a martial arts tournament against mortals
>lose

In MK2 Raiden has a move that he can only do in Vs mode, hold one of the punch buttons (i think HP?) and release near your opponent.
Raiden will now shock him and do his yell (unless its Genesis MKII then he just says buzzz)

This is very similar to his fatality, but in Vs mode its just a quick jolt and you dont explode.

>>6537592
because sony paid them big money to develop and rush the game to market

>>6569947
No, you can do that move on the ladder too.

>>6570536

Really? I actually tried it out on mame and kega fusion yesterday and couldn't trigger it.
are you sure? could you check?

I used the 3.1 rom

>>6570571
The command is apparently hold HP for five seconds but I tried to replicate it on 3.1 and 3.2 with no success so I think you're right and I'm wrong and I'm just not remembering correctly.

>>6569640
It's worse if he wins in MK1

>>6569632
Wasn't Kabal just the leader of Black Dragon that got caught into that mess?

>>6571121
Sort of. They could have merged him and Stryker together as one character and it would've probably been received better. They kind of did this in MK9 where Kabal is already a cop who used to be a Black Dragon member.

>>6566948
There are multiple canon endings in Mortal Kombat games, or canon in that "they happened except the part where they're the one to beat the bad guys." An example would be Cyrax; his MK3, MK Gold, and MK Deadly Alliance endings are all canon in tha the
>gets lost wandering in a desert due to not receiving new instructions after Shao Kahn dies
>gets caught by Sonya and Jax, their technology restoring his free will
>helps Nitara get a MacGuffin
But he doesn't defeat Shao Kahn, Shinnok, or Shang Tsung and Quan Chi, it's just everything else that's canon.

>>6550219
The only new characters in Trilogy, not counting older versions of certain characters (Jax, Kung Lao, Kano and Raiden) are Rain and Noob Saibot. Rain is only OP because he has an easy infinite, though Noob Saibot is actually extremely OP, like ridiculously so. There's also Chameleon/Khameleon which is a character that randomly swaps between different male/female ninjas respectively, but they're a gimmick more than anything else. I should also be noted Rain and Noob Saibot debuted in the console ports of UMK3 technically.

There's actually an arcade hack called Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 Plus which adds in (and rebalances) Rain, and they're currently almost finished doing the same with Noob Saibot, shit's cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyL2sC2p6zA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSTs9FOA2rU

>*Klonk!*
>Fatality!

I bet they were pretty proud of that shitty stage fatality to make it the first background you fight on.

Gonna be that guy and play 25 year later quarterback to fix base MK3 without removing anyone from the select screen:
>remove green blood, fucking stupid
>remove Mercy stipulation on Animalities, completely worthless mechanic
>make gibbing sensical and not have 43 arms and 8 skulls flying out when somebody explodes, can't believe they didn't fix this in UMK3
>also have fatalities look fun and not stupid where you have people scream forever when their heads are cut off and have dismembered limbs float in midair
>if you want Stryker to be the go-to dress him in all black and let him use his gun so wannabe edgy kids of the 90s can self insert, these people lived in Chicago for fuck's sake
>rename Cyrax into (Cyber) Scorpion where Scorpion's soul just took over one of the Lin Kuei robots to protect Sub-Zero from Smoke
>Don't bother making Smoke the hidden character and place him where Sektor is, making the Scorp/Sub/Smoke subplot front and center
>Make Sektor the hidden character and call him Ermac. They were already wanting to do that joke anyway, so now is the chance before UMK3 and at this point Sektor's entire character was an afterthought, so might as well
There you go better game already

Here's my take on what could have been done differently, which they didn't because they really wanted a game without Cage and the Ninjas.

>>6572084
Thinking about it they could have just turned Johnny Cage into Kabal. If they were going with the 90s comic aesthetic anyway there's plenty of cyborg characters like that.

>>6570871
>>6570571
That is very strange... what's the point?

I dont think you have to fix 3 because we got Trilogy in the end anyway.

>>6572301

I dunno, guess it didn't work in single player due to Boon's brutal AI who'll never let you get close enough to do the shock move?
I'd be willing to bet that's why it was disabled in single player.

>>6572390
Trilogy was just a "mugen". The series was already hurt.

Why is this thread still going after a week

>>6547158
>four robots
There were three robots doofus.

>>6574308
I think he's including Kabal in that?