/vr/ - Retro Games

hipsters started buying them as display pieces.

People started emptying out closets and other people started buying the contents, because neither of them had anything to do for awhile.

>>6529281
They stopped making them and prices went down. As they became scare price started going up. This happened many years ago.

>>6529281
> what happened to the itoddler ii?
> ebay
> oh look! they're still worthless
never change, itoddlers.

>>6529283
>hipsters started buying them as display pieces.
really the only use for them or the occasional game. you can expand the fuck out of them and they're still quite shit. they never got over how commodore slaughtered them.

Isn't it the Apple ][?

>Apple
>overpriced useless garbage

Who knew.

>>6529281

Less of them around. And there's a little bit more involved in getting them going compared to a C64.

2+ decades ago the Apple // was already desirable. I sold one that I think had some hardware issue. And despite my efforts to protect things, a key broke off in transit. Buyer was still happy with the purchase.

The //e stuff I had I pretty much had to give away. I met a guy who did admin for a local school with a network of them (ProLine I think?)

It's expensive to ship the things if it's a complete setup with the computer, monitor, and disk drives.

>>6529570
>they never got over how commodore slaughtered them.
What? The Apple ][ was a huge success for Apple and paved the way for the Macintosh, what do you mean they never got over the C64 outselling it? They weren't even competeing in the same market niche, C64 was essentially a games machine and Apple ][ was mostly used for business.

>>6529283
>hipsters started buying them as display pieces.

>AAAAAAAAAAAAA I NEED MORE NOSTALGIC CRAP FOR MY COOMLECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>6530703
Youtube lied to you again kiddo
It was a great machine and really popular with more advanced hobbyists but didn't have a major impact in the business world. After hobbyists the main market was schools, most of which was given away. That's how it paved the way for he Mac and that was the plan all along. To get kids hooked on the cult early on.

>>6530872
>what is VisiCalc?

>>6530739
99% of incels commit suicide

>>6530876
Something you heard about in a youtube of a zoomer who wasn't even alive during the products lifespan.
Something that ran on the PC, TRS-80, PET, CP/M, and a bunch of other shit
Something that wasn't bundled with business machines
Something applefags desperately try to use as cope

>>6530952
There was no Visicalc for CP/M.

>>6529281
Ok? What did you expect? People got bored with the NES and all the other bullshit and then remembered the Apple][ and then they discovered that Apple][ emulation is tricky. This will happen to anything remotely good eventually.

>>6530952
I don't get why you're trying so hard to be a contrarian, do you think the Apple II 80-columns cards that were so ubiquitous were sold to gamers? Do you think VisiCalc, AppleWorks, Print Shop, and Word Perfect were sold to gamers? I'm no retard, I realize there're hundreds of Apple II games out there and plenty of productivity software packages for the Commodore computers, but the Apple II line was purchased and marketed to schools and businesses first and foremost.

Just look at the fucking marketing. Apple II computers were never advertised as game machines, they were advertised as education and business tools. Once it was obvious the Commodore 64 had failed as a business machine after 1982, nearly all the advertising was focused on games, or its graphics/audio prowess. I think the only revisionist here is you.

>>6530872
>Youtube lied to you again kiddo
Can you please just get a trip? Signing every one of your posts with this garbage is basically the same as avatarfagging or tripping.
>muh zoomie parrot youtuber lies

>>6531114
The SMC-70 would like to have a word with you. Of course, the reason youtuber shitposter thinks there was a CP/M port is funnily enough the same reason you think there wasn't. The single CP/M port that existed was for an esoteric computer never seen outside of Japan. But he doesn't know that and only saw CP/M listed under the operating systems list of the Wikipedia article he quickly Googled, having no idea was Visicalc was prior to you mentioning it. He's a funny little larper.

>>6531596
Why are you pretending VisiCalc is obscure? Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of computer history has heard of it.

To be fair that's only like 100 bucks in 2001 money
inflation is a bitch, and so is shipping bulk items.

>>6531668
I'm not, I'm stating that you hadn't heard of it prior to someone in this thread mentioning it.

>>6531680
Ok schizo, I guess I just imagined owning variants of it for pretty much every vintage PC I own.

>>6531673
Apple IIs were so common in every single school in the US for a decade and a half that they should be even cheaper and more common than C64s. But they aren't.

>>6531578
>>Youtube lied to you again kiddo
>Can you please just get a trip? Signing every one of your posts with this garbage
Not them and I like it.

>>6531738
The C64 outsold the Apple ii

>>6531748
12 million C64s against 4 million Apple IIs with a lopsided percentage of the latter being IIes sold as school computers.

>>6530703
> was a success for apple
> weren't even competing in the same market niche
revisionist history, everyone. you let us know, mr zoomer, when an apple computer holds the record for the best selling home computer of all time.

>>6531698
Yeah, you didn't really have much of a choice but to imagine things that happened before your birth.

>>6531779
>of the latter being IIes sold as school computers.
pretty much. apple did the same with their mac lines as well. my highschool did some shitty contract deal with apple because they were retarded. no student there had a mac at home. mac was as popular as cancer during the 80s and 90s. it was bad enough using them at school. their long lasting impression of being slow and shit didn't earn them fans.

>>6529281
>Hmm... you thought that retro computer tech was getting too cheap? Well, well, well... I think I might've fixed that problem for you. You're welcome.

>>6531889
Fuck, I read it in his voice. Though to be fair, when was the last time he covered something that could bump up prices?

>>6531779
The original II sold about 32k units and the II+ around 275k. So you do the math.

>>6529782
They're more likely to work than a C64 though, fewer reliability problems.

Man I love purple and green graphics and clicking noises for sound.

>>6531114
And yet there was.

>>6531360
>do you think i have reading comprehension
The thought never crossed my mind
>all that cope
>against a strawman
lol i guess?

>>6531578
>Youtube told me everyone who says youtube lied to them is samefag
Youtube lied to you again kiddo
It's not even my thing. I saw it a few times and thought it was great. I really like how it triggers exactly the people it's supposed to.

>>6531596
Now this is irony of epic proportion. The only reason you think there was a single CP/M port is because the only thing you know about it is from skimming the wikipedia article you're accusing other people of googling. If you'd have read the article in more detail you'd have learned that it was available for an obscure brand of US machines called hewlett packard.
I think can we all agree such epic fail earns you the projector/larper/shitposter of the thread award

>>6530872
>Youtube lied to you again kiddo
Apple 2 was THE business and education machine. IBM pushed them out of business later on, but Apple held on to education.
Commodore could never touch Apple in these areas because C64 had a shitty keyboard, buggy floppy storage, lack of 80 column expansion and horrible reliability.

Cool.

>>6531889
This guy is the definition of a poser. No real expertise or knowledge at all.

>>6533482
No he does not. The guy knows little about history or technology and could care less, he's just building an autistic shrine to his childhood.

>>6531889
He supports BLM too, by the way. Topo keko.

>>6531889
Needs more orgasmic moans, muffled chuckling, and Duke Nukem impressions.

>>6532726
That's actually funny because Steve Wozniak whined that Apple never took the Apple II seriously as a business machine, as soon as Visicalc blew up they started working on the Apple /// as their top-shelf business computer.

>>6529782
I've seen more Apple IIs in flea/thrift stores than I have C64s tbqh.

They had Visicalc on the Atari 800 too; my dad saw it in a store demo back in the day.

/vr/ has never been good at Apple II threads.

>>6533520
I like that he is covering obscure stuff. it functions as a record for the future. the internet does not need another xbox gems list but a 30 minute video on zip drives? oh hell yea.

also this is pretty reasonable for "vintage computing" these days.

Supercalc quickly became the standard CP/M spreadsheet, which you could run on an Apple II with the CP/M card that was really hot for a while. The one problem was you had to have a way to transfer CP/M software to Apple II format disks (typically you'd have a CP/M machine like an Osborne or North Star and use a serial cable to copy the software over).

>>6529281
My grandfather used to repair computers, and by the time he died in 2011, he had at least a dozen Apple IIs in his basement. Most of them were not working, so we gave them away, but I did keep a really nice IIe which I still have in my basement somewhere.

I always thought I would do something with it, but I just never really had the time, and I didn't grow up with these, so it's not like there is any nostalgia to go back to. I suppose I could just be a hipster and stick it on my shelf, but it hasn't yellowed much, and I loathe to expose it to UV light.

>>6533871
So sell it on Ebay. Someone will take it.

>>6533521
A lot of twitter trannies follow him, so I'm sure he came out as pro-BLM in fear that he and his channel don't get cancelled just for being silent.

It doesn't really have the online community of the C64 or other machines or even a good centralized software archive like Gamebase64 or World of Spectrum.

>>6530717
Now let's see them try and beat Deathlord. :^)

>>6533831
>also this is pretty reasonable for "vintage computing" these days.
right? i thought op's pic was gonna say $1000 or something

>>6532726
Imagine being this fanatical about lies a child told you about shit that happened before either of you were born? Your cope level is >9000.

>>6529281
Atari 8 bit is much better desu. Apple 2 doesn't even have a cartridge slot and a true color display. Atari was so much cheaper too at launch.

>>6532726
Commodore PET was THE business and education machine of the 70s. Apple 2 was overpriced and people mainly bought it for gaming.

>>6531889
What an absolute chad. Keep seething.

>>6534395
The PET was pretty popular as a school computer, but as a business machine it largely bombed in North America (Europe is another story).

>>6534414
I think the reason is Apple II had more RAM. PET's 2KB SRAM was too small for business purposes. Apple 2 already used DRAM. It was a much cheaper computer though. European companies are more cost efficient than american corps.

>>6534427
Most models of the PET supported 32k of RAM and some could accommodate a 64k expansion board for 96k total, but that memory was only accessible in bank switched chunks. The Apple II could always take a flat 48k of memory from day one, and soon expansion cards to expand it to 64k became commonplace. And the PET was cheaper because Commodore manufactured ICs in-house.

The PET was not as successful here as a business machine because of that and it lacked expandability or CP/M capability (unlike the Apple II where a CP/M card was available). Its disk storage options were vastly superior to anything on the Apple II though. Commodore in general also cared more about the European market.

The Apple II also allowed you to do business graphics while the PET only had pseudographics.

>>6532127
>It's not even my thing.
No, it's totally your thing. Not sure why you can't just own it, especially since most regulars here have figured out that it's just you.

>>6532127
>If you'd have read the article in more detail you'd have learned that it was available for an obscure brand of US machines called hewlett packard.
>hewlett packard
>obscure brand
?
And what does this have to do with CP/M. According to the wiki article you're spazzing out about the Sony SMC-70 was the only machine that got a CP/M version.
>The Sony SMC-70 port was the only CP/M version.
Are you ok, little fella?

>>6534390
The Atari 800 was only $300 less than the Apple II at launch.

>>6534390
Better for gaming, sure. Useless for anything else.

>>6534523
300 bucks is a huge bargain anon. Atari 400, the low end version with 16KB RAM, was only $550.

>>6534589
And nearly unusable with its atrocious membrane keyboard.

>>6534610
You're supposed to play games with a joystick though.

>>6534610
how pretentious

>>6532127
>an obscure brand of US machines called hewlett packard
>obscure

>>6534654
Thank you for admitting you have never touched a real Atari 400 in your life, the keyboard is garbage.

>>6534686
I'm used to typing on old cash machines so membrane keyboards aren't that uncomfortable to use for me.

>>6534675
>whoosh
>project
zoom

>>6534449
>cope
kek

>>6534481
Wikipedia lied to you again kiddo.
HP made CP/M machines. And they made ones that ran visicalc. If you weren't so busy spazzing out about the wikipedia article that instantly made you an expert on the history of visicalc and projecting you might have read more. Keep digging that hole champ.

>>6534937
>HP made CP/M machines.
Yeah, they certainly did.
>And they made ones that ran visicalc.
Yes, but not for CP/M, which was the whole point you were trying to make.

>>6529281
apple fanboys are insane i found a apple mug with the old logo that i sold for like $100

>>6533521
Yikes, we need to cancel him

>>6533648
Yeah we had it at home on ours

>>6533871
Play Wizardry on it

Hol' up. You can't connect a IIgs monitor to an 8-bit Apple II unless you had the rare RGB card. And even if you did, it wouldn't produce IIgs graphics.

>>6535504
This.

>>6534907
>i-i was only p-pretending!

>>6533521
I could have told you that from just one glance of his pic. I don't know how Europeans aren't embarrassed of themselves.

>>6533831
No, the internet does not need trivial information clogging the systems. It would be best if his entire channel disappeared and if the traitor got thrown into a dumpster.

>>6536807
>traitor
?

>>6536807
>clogging the systems
There are a lot of other things "clogging the systems" than "trivial information" that is actually useful historical information

>>6535906
There were IIGS conversion kits. Though that setup makes no sense without a 3.5 inch drive.

>>6531935

>>6531889
LGR is just a consoomertoober who covers shit you can buy.

>>6536647
>irony:the post

>>6531748
And crashed the market.

>>6531889
The only thing he covers lately are just shitty beige pc's.

>>6536956
Nah, these don't look fancy on a shelf or a plexiglass box, and the supergun setup is hideous, with all these cables and ungly ATX power supply...

>>6537436
Not him, but I think the irony this time around would be outing yourself as a zoomer and then trying to play it off as a joke all while shitposting.

>>6529281

thats nothing see sgi o2. only 2 years ago u can find for cheap.

>>6537578
>Not him
It's pretty obvious you are and that you're also the faggot who got BFTO. Why else would someone be copeposting days later?

>>6537451
And that was a good thing.

reported and saged

>>6538671
>irony:the post

>>6529281
Who cares. Ti994a is the superior computer anyway.

>>6540165
Said nobody ever.

>>6540173
Ti99 vs apple 2
>Grapics
Apple 2: green on black only.
Ti99/4a: 16 color graphics
>Sound
Apple 2 : buzzer built into machine
Ti99/4a: 3 channel audio on par with Master System
>Storage medium
Apple 2: Tapes, Disks
Ti99/4a: Tapes, Disks, Cartridges
>RAM
Apple 2: 4k to 48k depending on model
Ti99/4a: 128b, 16k VDP expandable to 48k
>Gaming
Apple 2: Oregon Trail, Wizardry, Lode Runner
Ti99/4a: Tunnels of Doom, Parsec

You know what who am I kidding the TI is garbage.

>>6540150
>must. post. cope.
Does it help? Do you feel less bad about being a failure?

>>6532726
>buggy floppy storage
>horrible reliability
ahahaha just making up stories as you go. did the apple 2 end up being the best selling home computer of al time? no? oh that's a pity. let's look and see if the apple 2 scene still exists:
> ?FILE NOT FOUND
appears to be dead as well. c64 scene still exists. new releases every day. how many brand new apple 2 games were released in the last 5 years? i can count over 100 for the c64. you might want to sit down, itoddler. real men are speaking about real computers that actually made a difference to the world of computing.

>>6540260
>Apple 2: green on black only

It has six colors (black, white, green, purple, blue, and orange)

>>6540260
they were both piles of shit.

>>6540453
There's no Apple II retro scene because:

1. It doesn't have custom chips which removes a lot of the fun of being a l33t hax0r and it's harder to get any graphics or sound stuff going, and the results won't be that good compared with machines that have custom chips
2. Most of its best games were ported to other machines
3. Most people only used them at school
4. It was only relevant in North America

My dad had an Atari 800, everyone he knew had those or a VIC-20 or C64, he didn't know anyone with an Apple II.

>>6540476
yet american retarded itoddlers want to talk shit like this pile of fucking cancer built by two faggots was influential and changed computing? it's truly amazing. the revisionist history where it's changed to make the apple 2 look more successful than what it was is some of the lowest IQ shit you can see. they are baboons in africa that know how insignificant the apple 2 was in the grand scale of things.

itoddlers will NEVER get over how a polish jew BTFO everyone for years, sold more computers, made his own chips and made greater change than two hippy fucking faggots in California, with only one of those faggots having ANY skills whatsoever.

>>6540476
yet american retarded itoddlers want to talk shit like this pile of fucking cancer built by two faggots was influential and changed computing? it's truly amazing. the revisionist history where it's changed to make the apple 2 look more successful than what it was is some of the lowest IQ shit you can see. there are baboons in africa that know how insignificant the apple 2 was in the grand scale of things.

itoddlers will NEVER get over how a polish jew BTFO everyone for years, sold more computers, made his own chips and made greater change than two hippy fucking faggots in California, with only one of those faggots having ANY skills whatsoever.

I remember a price jump for the II plus after season 2 of Lost (and again around the time of the finale), but surprised to see so much interest in the regular apple II. They were super common and used for years, should be easier to get hold of than niche consoles of the era.

>>6540436
>irony:the post

>>6540503

>>6540524
>no u

>>6540802
youtube lied to you again kiddo

>>6529708
>displaying boxes of shit you've bought
do people actually do this?

ok

>>6540503
Who hurt you

>>6542042
Whoever it was, it wasn't Apple.

>>6540503
Well no not really since Commodore stopped existing 26 years ago.

>>6540825
You coped again kiddo

from what I remember Apple II and TRS-80 and whatnot owners were usually tech illiterate normie boomers who just wanted a computer to do work on while all the gamer kids and neckbeards had Commodore and Atari machines

>>6529281
It's shit like everything else Apple.
>>6529567
Based.
>>6529570
Commodores were far superior.
>>6529607
Everyone.
>>6529708
Fruit cult victim.
>>6530703
Every school I went to in the 80's had one.
>>6533537
And it failed badly.
>>6540165
C128 > *
>>6542204
They kept existing in various forms, and still do.

>>6543130
>irony:the post

E-celebs I assume.

>>6536807
how else will zoomers be able to fit in retro tech crowd?

When I was in like 5th or 6th grade me and my neighbor voluntarily signed up for summer school just so we could play Montezuma's Revenge on the Apple IIs at the high school that had the classes. I literally don't even remember what the class was, I just know we got to play that shit and god damn it seemed to so fucking rad at the time. To us it was like how Tomb Raider seemed to kids a generation later. Looking back on it tho, man that game sucks so bad, what a piece of shit.

>>6545998
I've gotten maybe 40% of the way through, but fuck that game is hard.

>>6543136
When and where are you remembering? Applefags were mostly very tech literate geeks in the late 70s though the mid 80's everywhere.

How would you feel if I told you my dad bought me one for 5 dollars at some flea market like 6 years ago

>>6547906
I would feel like your larping about your dad doing something when you were 6

>>6533482

yeah, there was a wiki article for a certain retro computer, it was pretty much "legally" defaced (by wikipedia standards) by a rival corporation fanboy
i had since then corrected the article, only to see this chump do a video on the system and basically reading from the old article verbatim
this guy is a prime candidate for a transexual makeover
it really doesnt take a genius to figure the old article was total horseshit
and millions of reddit clowns subscribe to this retard and digest his words as fact

>>6547985
Looks like youtube lied to you yet again, kiddo.

>>6548113

>>6548150
>irony:the post

>>6548249

>>6533907
Most Americans support the movement. Police need to be accountable to the American people, not as unchecked state agents with no oversight.

>>6531889
Dude is a pussy soi boi that lucked into a silky voice. Once he virtue signaled when all the riots started I lost any of the respect I had for him. Fuck that dude and his price gouging.

>>6529281
Nothing. They are just sitting there like computers do, moron. Fuck you.

>>6548361
Can you link the YouTube video you got this from?

>>6529281
Today I will remind them
https://youtu.be/qYzXoNXgu9k

y so little Apple II discussion. this thread is 70% nonsensical shitposting.