/vr/ - Retro Games

your sound card works perfectly

>>6525189
It's been pretty much perfect for a long time.

>>6525189
that would require something like higan and there's no sega equivalent to byuu to autistically create something that requires a modern i7 to run a 30 years old system.

floppies are probably the worst media device ever created so I'm impressed those still work after 30 years

>>6525218
storage*

>>6525189
What makes Mega Drive sound so unique? I mean, SNES sounds too dull in comparison.

>>6525223
fully-amplified resonance tracking-system

>>6525223
The sound chip was created by the greatest Japanese fart artisans ever lived.

>>6525223
>SNES sounds too dull in comparison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2oyweqZ7WM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsj5xjoLXtE

Meanwhile I’ve been experiencing the music as it was intended on my original model 1 Genesis for the past 30 years. Glad you finally caught up zoomers.

>>6525229
better than being a close-minded boomer that can't understand the beauty of having reverse engineered/source code available

>>6525227
Puerile cherry picking. You didn't even try to find two similar tracks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADIWoLmoHyM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo10sec5cxo

>>6525223
Power of FM

>>6525189
>perfected
Inclusive aliasing noise of the DAC that was used to simulate sustain effects?

If not then it's not perfect. MD music on emulators always sounds extremely grating.

>>6525264
>MD music on emulators always sounds extremely grating.
what emulators are we talking about?

>>6525227
wow that's a lot of reverb on the snes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74Q0iQZG4SA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl2CQ-2Vgq8

>>6525218
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>6525268
All of them unfortunately. I made a lot of comparisons to original hardware(model 1, model 2) and none comes close.

>>6525227
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxM-RzIEGEo
Super Braptendo™

>>6525274
what emulators have you tried in particular and what games did you test?

>>6525259
>>6525269
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-gocswLwsc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTQnen_15Gg&feature=youtu.be&list=PL21BAA7C6EDEB63A3

Cringe.

ok so it's easy to shitpost but could someone post examples of the best tracks for each console? for someone who's a complete retarded when it comes to music quality?

>>6525282
>muh Squaresoft boner
Post two similar tracks from similar games you goober

>>6525283
No, that would require 4chan's remaining userbase to actually be intelligent. Underage retards, the mentally ill, and five different kinds of paid astroturfer are not and never have been a recipe conducive to intelligence.

>>6525283
Best single song on the Genesis is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaTl7OWAf4g
>>6525287
Why? Both consoles had their share of shit ports, far more enlightening to post the best they have to offer and see how they stack up.

>>6525259
God the Snezzzzz is such a joke!

>>6525189
Oh look it's the daily "check out how emulators have totally evolved" thread. Hi!

>>6525292
compared to something like forest maze from Mario RPG, SNES seems more unique? but really heavy on bass. while genesis seems like a generic midi chip? which is not to say it's bad.

>>6525279
Cores used in Fusion, Gens, RetroArch, higan

Around 80 hand-picked games played on both unmoded NTSC Model 1 and Model 2 with discrete YM2612, MegaAmp and lineout mods next to the mentioned emulators, plus spectrum analysis of both recordings.

>>6525189
>SMPS
literally who fucking cares

>>6525264
>Inclusive aliasing noise of the DAC that was used to simulate sustain effects?
I've never heard of this in my life, name one game that does this

>>6525274
>none comes close
See >>6525214

I await your damage control, sweaty :^)

>>6525298
cores used in "Fusion, Gens, RetroArch, higan"?
core is a RA terminology, meaning an emulator w/o a front end, so I'm kinda puzzled what do you mean by that
there's many more MD emulators than those few you listed,

>>6525297
Genesis is FM synthesis which means the synth is on board. SNES uses sampling. I really love both. There is a lot of shitty music on both though. When you're using sampling you can use basically any kind of sounds you want right? Earthbound sampled the Sgt. Peppers drum break and The Beach Boys. That's pretty fucking cool. But most the music on the SNES sounds like some circus clown shit or boring orchestral shit with reverb. They had limitless possibilities but managed to make everything so samey. That's down to the musicians more than it is the console though. On the Genesis in the hands of someone with no talent that sound chip sounds like absolute dog shit. But then there are obvious classic soundtracks like Streets of Rage which fucking rocks.

>>6525297
SNES has incredible variety, it's not just bass heavy shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvxYivEFb-U&f

>>6525308
>>6525312
As I said, their output doesn't match that of real hardware, both backed by subjective hearing tests and objective spectral analysis.

Unless there is a way to emulate the imperfect DAC of the MD these are not perfect.

Fuck that gay flute shit. Let's hear the SNES do some breakbeat hardcore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBPuW91IKTE

>>6525319
No, don't try to move the goalposts. Post your data. Right now.

>>6525319
Their as in which emulator exactly?

>>6525189
>Genesis / Mega Drive sound emulation just got perfect.
That's just one of many sound drivers used on the Genesis. It's not going to be of much help for emulators because it's just software that runs on the system. Software that has been disassembled multiple times because it's used in all the Sonic games that have been disassembled.

It's not going to give you anymore insight into the Hardware than what we already have had for years.

>>6525324
>>6525332
They are not accurate.

You forgot to say the magic word.

Both analysis with FFT(software side) and RSA5000(hardware side) show that none of the outputs match.

If you can't spot the jarring differences by subjective hearing tests then something is very, very wrong with your hearing.

>>6525336
>It's not going to give you anymore insight into the Hardware than what we already have had for years.

it's cute how Germans like to randomly capitalize nouns

>>6525341
>Both analysis with FFT(software side) and RSA5000(hardware side) show that none of the outputs match.

I think citation for such a groundbreaking study is in order.

>>6525341
>still no data
Just stop posting, you're embarrassing yourself. This didn't go how you thought it would, take the L and move on.

>>6525316
that is pretty fucking cool, thanks for sharing. I really am a retard when it comes to music.

>>6525223
Actual answer is that the SNES chip can have higher quality sample but runs at a lower sampling frequency (32k I believe) and attempts to smooth it over with Gaussian interpolation which can be a bit muffled sounding

>>6525341
https://www.youtube.com/user/DUSTINODELLOFFICIAL
I have uploaded a lot of original hardware recordings in the past so that everyone can hear the jarring difference between original and emulation. I also provide links to the uncompressed recordings.

Cheers

>>6525345
>>6525346
see >>6525352

Cheers

>>6525352
>and emulation
Which emulator? Which settings? Be specific.

>>6525214
What am I looking at.

>>6525353
>posts a link to some random youtube channel full of random soundtracks
Where's this direct comparison data you claimed you had?
>dude just listen to the soundtracks XD
Is not data.

i thought they already knew how MD was supposed to sound with the MDFourier-project: https://github.com/ArtemioUrbina/MDFourier

>>6525347
Yeah I think they gravitated towards the kinds of sounds that they did on SNES because of the lower bit depth/sampling rate of the samples. Bright airy sounding things don't give it away so much. It still has it's own distinctive sound to it but in the 90s people probably associated those kinds of sounds with expensive PC hardware. Whenever people talk about SNES soundtracks they usually bring up lush orchestral sounding things. On the other hand the Genesis sound chip is a filthy noisy slut. It's all about the bass and those super crunchy sounding drums.

>>6525189
Someone still has to do something with this information

>>6525241
Zip it kiddo, we did it first and your generation isn't worth shit.

>>6525189
this information is worthless for general emulation purposes since it's game specific

>>6525297
>>6525316
>while genesis seems like a generic midi chip?
Its fundamentally a combination issue of not staying top dog, bad devs and devkits not being decent enough to compensate.
You basically can hear the difference between games using the default devkit setup, and whatever else is out there.

>>6525352
>>6525353
So are you going to post the proof? I'd strongly recommend getting some opsec, took about a minute to find your facebook with all that BBC worship, very cringe.

>>6525223
Lots of low quality samples and nobody knowing how to make it sound good so it comes out muffled and since the notes don’t overlap you can weird music like kalariko village in LTTP where each string note stops before the next one. Something that would never happen in real life

>>6525442
Listen for yourself with your ears

>>6525218
>magnetic tape is a bad storage media
Okay.

>>6525454
yes.

Looks like the xeye still has the best audio

>>6525218
I'm more of a tape guy. I have hundreds of QIC backups from the early to late 90s, all still readable. Can't say the same for my Zip and Jaz disks...or the first CD-Rs I burned.

>>6525447
>trust me bro just listen
Is not proof. The fact that you've continually dodged every inquiry into what emulator(s) you've claimed to have tested under which circumstances with which settings is pointing to the logical conclusion that you're just making shit up.

I'm sure that what happened here was you came in with some hot opinions on a subject you felt you're very well-versed in, didn't expect any pushback, and when you realized you were in over your head, you just kept doubling down. It's fine, it happens.

Here's some free advice: At minimum, remove your fucking name from your jewtube channel before shilling it around here, and if you're going to post the kind of insane shit you post on social media, do it under an alias. That's the kind of thing that can fuck up your life when a future employer does a cursory background check on you.

>>6525454
yes, it is

>>6525476
>bro
retard speak

Just listen or get your ears checked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-mc0XMKtAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDDhaV-TPrY

>>6525454

>>6525189
>>6525214
what the damn diff? and that yamaha chip's specs have been known for decades now?

>>6525497
There isn't any audible difference.

>we found the code Sega of Japan used in their games for sound
>this means improvements to emulation
We already know what chips were used, and the datasheets are available. Knowing what code was used to send the data to the Z80 and off to the sound system was never needed. Please don't make threads if you don't have more than 4 brain cells to rub together.

>>6525515
>for you

>>6525587

>>6525591
Hey now those crystal packs are $30k each don’t tell me they’re snake oil.

>>6525605
Don't forget your Cream Electret!

>>6525189
That's actually awesome.
>>6525218
>floppies are probably the worst media device ever created so I'm impressed those still work after 30 years
And this.

>>6525226
>fartisans

>>6525791
Fartists.

>>6525226
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDITL5u_iaY

>>6525486
you should read what he wrote you, its good advice and is actually a decent criticism of you, instead of blind hate.

>>6525189
There is nothing more in that release that we didn't have already for many years in ym3438 manuals .

Also ym2612 emulation is already close to perfect thanks to nuked cycle accurate core and probably was already perfect enough in Kega Fusion 10 years ago as I doubt people can really hear that much FM emulation accuracy differences between Kega Fusion, Blastem or GPGX with either MAME or Nuked core in commercial games. Most of the sound differences are more differences in analog filtering and amplification stages accross the carious console midels but that happens outside of the chip and therefore cannot be figured from chip documentation.

>>6525264
>Inclusive aliasing noise of the DAC that was used to simulate sustain effects?
This has been emulated for years in GPGX YM2612 cores (both MAME and nuked ones) as well in Blastem.

>>6525591
>>6525634
>t. deaf bitch

>>6525189
Except emulation has nothing to do with the driver and everything to do with the chips. Someone could theoretically write an SMPS-conforming HLE with this info, but why tho

>>6525226
this

>>6526036
Why does it still sound like shit lol. Poor emutards. :^)

>>6525368
MD fourier is really only helpful to get accurate audio output filtering and levels, it does not really measure the accuracy of chip internals emulation as it only uses a fixed set of FM instruments/algos: FM chip features are not extensively tested, which can make a huge difference in some games, much more than some discrepancies in output frequency responses or volume levels, that anyway vary a lot accross real hardware models.

MD Fourier is quite an useful tool for studying and archiving differences between hardware models, or for fine-tuning your emulation but people are too much trying to use it as a tool to brag about emulation accuracy, without really understanding what it does or what it actually validate/invalidate.

>>6525215
Guess what, in 10 years requiring an cpu as powerful as a i7 will be even more trivial than it is right now.

So the emulation will be perfect for all time, who cares what it requires

>>6525189
sounds like it's the sound engine used in their games and not anything hardware related though? that doesn't do anything for emulation accuracy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc1n-GGGLNs

>>6526061
Placebo effect probably. Don't underestimate effects of your brain on your judgement, especially when you have diagnosed autism and some weird obsession for FM sound 'perfectness' that you try to call your 'expertise'

>>6525469

My old floppies, diskettes and C64 tapes still work, which I didn't expect. My CD-R's from around 1993-4 start to fail, except for Pioneer branded phthalocyanine dye ones.

can someone explain to me why genesis emulators run faster on weaker hardware than snes? i remember needing to use frameskip a lot on my old PSP. is the 68000 somehow cheaper to emulate?

>>6525264
>>6525274

Have you checked out nuked opn2? It claims to be a cycle accurate ym3438 emulator. I wouldn't think much of it if I haven't already tested it out with in_vgm.

https://github.com/nukeykt/Nuked-OPN2

There are even videos linked for people to make their own conclusions. The only thing I think it doesn't get right is the DAC stuff like lowpass filters and bass boast. It emulates that ladder effect which is probably that sustain thing you were talking about.

>>6525352
Obviously real hardware is better the real question is why there's no Warriors of the Eternal Sun original hardware soundtrack uploaded yet.

>>6526262
Might be because snes games used to add extra chips on them that need to be emulated as well.

Just a guess

>>6525215
I always thought of Steve Snake as the MD equivalent of byuu. What happened to him?

>>6525316
/thread

>>6525373
That manga is so fucking good. Some people might say Hi-Score Girl is the official /vr/ manga, but I nominate Isekai Ojisan.

>>6525189
>clueless zoom
yikes

>>6525223
FM synth instead of shitty samples.

>>6525359
how accurately genesis plus GX (presumably using nuked as the YM2612 emulator) produces sound, compared to the model 1 mega drive, by frequency

>>6526080
I don't think it will even take that long. My mid range AMD laptop smokes the old i7s I owned and is already good enough. Give it a couple years and it will be the budget option rather than midrange.

physicalfags on cope mode ITT

>>6526630
Yeah it was just an example, but the overall point being that the point of emulation is to preserve for the future, which future users will be able to handle the load no problem, we can already handle it no problem.

If you want to emulate on a windows xp era computer, just use ZSNES

>>6526680
byuu's work ended up benefiting snes9x too, I think there's a case to be made for both accuracy and speed. Doesn't mean that the emu devs of today should be focused on making sure everything can run on a Sega Dreamcast or something, but having options is good.

>>6526702
True

>>6525189
>one audio driver of many
>starts talking about emulation
What did the zoomer mean by this?

>>6526482
>Some people might say Hi-Score Girl is the official /vr/ manga
Those people would be no-taste plebs. Hi-score girl is terrible

>>6526606
Bingo.

>>6526745
the zoom zoom probably thinks this documentation will assist in emulating the chips more accurately, which.... maybe? but probably not. the hidden palace article even says that reverse engineering is a much more reliable source of knowledge, so either OP didn't read anything beyond the tweet like a total jackass or is just pretending to be a retard

I'm not that much of a music guy and I have limited experience with both snes and genesis but I've always preferred snes composition over genesis composition. DKC and SMT1 have some amazing soundtracks and while there some genesis tunes I like none really stick with me aside from basic stuff like sonic. Maybe I should check the genesis library out a bit more.

>>6525446
Depends on who's hands it's in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W4yTL-9gZE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ODKKILZiYY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XydJ8sF4AJU

>>6527527
Both of these are jams. I am a Genesis guy but I like the sound of the SNES one a little bit better in this case. The squeal of the YM2612 is still super appealing though.

>>6525317
being more sample-based, snes does have much more variety than the genesis, though i don't dislike either
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gpu1GHRymY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jm11887pv4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aw8wcXYfGE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZvp0UjAYjs

>>6526637
>emubaby on project mode

>>6527441
Yes, while it's nice to have a more documentation on the chip anyone who actually works with electronics knows that documentation is often wrong. The only way to be certain is to reverse engineer the actual hardware.

>>6527079
Both are retarded and you're a homo.

>>6526040

>>6526269
>The only thing I think it doesn't get right is the DAC stuff like lowpass filters and bass boast.

More exactly, YM2612 cores only handle digital sound reproduction (samples).

The low pass filtering, as well as the mixing and amplification of various sources (FM, PSG, etc) was done outside of the chips so the cycle accuracy of any core won't have any effect on that.

How digital audio stream is resampled to your audio backend output rate (which is usually lower than those audio chips output rate), how it is filtered or amplified depend entirely on the emulator that uses the FM core or the frontend that playback emulated audio stream on your system.

>It emulates that ladder effect which is probably that sustain thing you were talking about.
Actually, most modern YM2612 cores emulate this oddity quite accurately since a few years by now, including MAME core used in GPGX and Blastem own core.

>>6527441
>>6527669
The thing is, even it is nice to see that (preliminary)YM2612 application manual, it has exact same content or information as the YM3438 aplication manual that was found and already studied years ago so the value is purely for historical preservation.

>>6527817

>>6527847
That looks like all the wiring here in the Philippines. What a fuckin mess.

>>6527847
99.999% pure oxygen-free copper
for the best 0.001% of the total wiring between the power station and your hifi

>>6525189
This is very interesting. I am looking forward to what comes of it.

>>6525227
there's an instrument on the chrono trigger one that comes in at 18 seconds that is like so many other bad samples that ruin otherwise cool sounding SNES songs. see also the trumpet-like sound on Stickerbrush Symphony, which otherwise sounded awesome but is totally ruined

>>6525189
> find some ancient megadrive audio driver source code for m68k and z80
> zommgg!! emulation just got perfect
this has absolutely nothing to do with emulation, you stupid cunt. this is a DRIVER for playing music+sfx. everything is already known about the YM2612.

>>6527441
>the zoom zoom probably thinks this documentation will assist in emulating the chips more accurately, which.... maybe?
documentation will be of great assistance. reading them right now. all in japanese but the detail is amazing. lots of detail. so yeah it is no wonder the japanese were so far ahead when it came to making music for ym for years. they had such great documentation.

>>6527967
>ruined
Dangerously autistic, even for this place.

>>6528124
it's not that it's not interesting, it's that it's not particularly helpful in regards to emulation when we're so far down the line of reverse engineering the chips already

>>6527827
Except it doesn't. This is why it's useful to have both. This is also why you shouldn't parrot.

>>6527862
>fancy ass city slicker has more than one wire in his nipa hut

>>6528609
the code is the most interesting thing about it. sega never shared their routines with anyone, not even with companies working with them outside of japan. these archived audio drivers were used in quite a few titles. for a musician whos deep into this shit like me, finding source code like this (with work files of music and demos) is amazingly rare. it's a great insight into the inner workings of the programmers back then. gives me an erection. the macro language used to program the music is a bit complex but you can sort of work out what's going on.

>>6528642
>parroting
I'm not. I just looked quickly at the application manual in one of the zip and found it was identical (or quite) to the ym3438 manual that can be found here:
https://retrocdn.net/File:YM3438_JP_Application_Manual.pdf

>Except it doesn't
Now I'm curious, what new technical info does it bring exactly then?

>>6525454
Magnetic tape is great for storage, too bad floppy disks are awful for storing magnetic tape.

>>6529562
Must have been a very quick look. It only took me a few seconds to notice that the block diagrams are different. The one in the newly dumped files is obviously wrong but might give insight into how the the chip is designed, or at least how the person who did the diagram thought it was designed. I only skimmed the first few pages of one document looking for obvious differences because your claim seemed implausible. It's also implausible, but not impossible, that this is the only difference.

>>6525373
I always look for reasons to post the manga in threads lol.

>>6525189
>Be me
>Never owned the fucking thing in the first place
>Emulated Wings of Wor
>Didn't notice any problem in audio because I never owned the original console to begin with

I live in bliss.

>>6529810
Like I said, there are "quite" identical, not 1:1 copy. My point is that there is nothing in that new manual that isn't in existing YM3438 manual and bring any more information on the chip that we already had.

The block diagram differences are not significant enough and certainly do not bring any new information, on the contrary: missing connections between REG block and other blocks or between TIMING and LFO blocks clearly indicate it's a simplified diagram and YM3438 manual is actually closer to reality, which can be confirmed by available die shots.

I know pretty well the YM3438 manual as I looked a lot into it back then when it popped on spritesmind forum then so I can assure you that after having looked through the whole of this new YM2612 manual, all the same chapters can be found in YM3438 manual, with exact same content (YM2612 is just replaced by OPN2C which was YM3438 codename) so there is definitively no new information in there. In fact, YM3438 one is actually a lot more complete and has some stuff missing in that YM2612 manual (ALGO/FEEDBACK description especially).

Only 'functional' differences I found are the block diagram being somehow simplified and a few handwritten annotations on register map that seemed to be used to mark differences with another YM chip (YM2203 or YM2608 maybe) that the sound developer was likely familiar with.

>>6530046
Like you said, "it has exact same content or information", which is a demonstrably false claim. I'm glad you're so ashamed of making this ridiculous, uneducated claim that you backpedaled and are now pretending it never happened. But it's the only claim I disputed and no amount of cope will change that. In fact , your cope is only digging your hole deeper. Despite your claims , you know relatively little about the part, and your ignorance becomes blatantly obvious the more to say.
>missing connections between REG block and other blocks or between TIMING and LFO blocks clearly indicate it's a simplified diagram and YM3438 manual is actually closer to reality, which can be confirmed by available die shots.
The actual die shots clearly show that the Timer and LFO are separate, which makes the YM3438 version the simplified version. You literally couldn't be reading it more wrong. Maybe if you took a break from bullshiting and actually read the shit you'd find some new information. Clearly some of the information, while already known by people who know what they're talking about, is new to you.

excellent

>>6525227
https://youtu.be/4nN6YGteWug

>>6530364
>shrill ear rape
Why would you do this?

>>6530370
Sounds pretty badass to me. I guess you just don't like chip tunes.

>>6530370
>shitting on the lord of amiga music
That's a spicy take you got there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0FaAs4M3d0

>>6530370
You are clueless

>>6525605
Ultra hi-fi is always overpriced for what it is.
Imagine paying $2,000 for a pair of Stax in order to listen to music recorded in studios that are mixed on $100 Sonys and mastered on $500 Ultrasones.

>>6530464
>he doesn't glue tiny $12 wooden cubes all over the walls and ceiling to provide a vibrant soundstage
Poorfags, everyone.

Find me a single genesis song as catchy as this. You can't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAYFS0H24P4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mLajpEt_ZE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPNr79y0s94

Which one? https://voca.ro/kTX6aPoMW9B

>>6525223
this is me just guessing but because of how FM synthesis works it usually ends up generating a shit ton of extra partials (which would make it sound brighter, if occasionally discordant) unless they're explicitly filtered out which I'm not sure the Genesis/MD equipment can do. whereas if SNES is sample based, the samples would have to be really crushed down in size which often ends up removing a lot of the high frequencies. if you ever record something like a hi hat into say an 8 bit sampler it doesn't really end up sounding much like a hi hat anymore.

>>6530291
Damn, I forgot where I was. Sorry for having tried to have a civil and adult conversation on 4chan. I was just trying to inform people about the existing manual and the fact it already had all the important information found in this manual, nothing more :-)

>>6530914
imagine playing the "civil and adult conversation" card when you get rightfully called out on being incorrect, someone walks you through why you were wrong, and then you can only stand there and assert that you were in fact the correct one and that anyone bringing up facts is childish because it would make you look bad

>>6530914
You don't try to have a civilized adult conversation by making up bullshit and then, when called on it, make up more bullshit to try to cover for it.
And you're still fucking coping. You "just looked quickly at the application manual in one of the zip" and want to "inform people about the existing manual and the fact it already had all the important information found in this manual", that you didn't even read. Do you even understand how retarded you sound?

>>6525189
How can I profit from this?

>>6531060
Make youtubes where you regurgitate blogs and twitter posts about it. Be an annoying spazz with a voice that makes people want to plunge knives into their ears for maximum jew gold.

I was not expecting that end to the article

>>6528124
>0000H

>>6530914
>it already had all the important information
>important
So after you get BTFO now you move the goalposts to rephrase and say that it at least had the (subjectively as decided by you) "important" information, whereas before you were saying it had all the same information.
You've demonstrated incredible faggotry, parroting wrong information and then refusing to admit it when you were corrected, then even moving the goalposts in a desperate attempt to make other people look wrong, while it was only you the whole time who was wrong and trying to look knowledgeable.
You are everything that's wrong with this board. If you don't actually know what you're talking about just don't post, and stop trying to make yourself seem smart.

I think most arguments that take place on boards like this are less about setting the record straight and more about curing the loneliness of the people fighting about pointless shit.

>>6531060
Find old floppy disks with source code and sell them for profit

>>6530572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-cvZHiQn3A

>>6532502
Explosive finale? That's what I call the morning after a Chipotle dinner!

>>6530572
Fuck you brian peppers.

>>6525634
Christ, you know your bullshit is obscure when you can't find anything but glowing positive reviews for such transparent snake oil.
Fucking magical, anon.

>>6532589
What about the $10,000 box of audiophile dirt?
https://parttimeaudiophile.com/2018/04/08/review-entreq-olympus-tellus-grounding-box/

>>6532609
Now that is truly a thing of fucking beauty. I thought I'd seen it all with magical pebbles and audio sneks and the like but there's always something else.