/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[6-14] Xdoom engine, fixes LinuxXDoom features
https://github.com/so-sleepy/Xdoom

[6-10] GZDoom 4.4.1 has been released
https://github.com/coelckers/gzdoom/releases/tag/g4.4.1

[6-10] Satanic Infestation v0.0.5 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/113234-satanic-infestation-open-iwad-project-current-version-v005-mapping-contest-being-held/?page=14&tab=comments#comment-2133632

[6-10] Q2 retexture project updated
https://www.moddb.com/mods/quake-2-retexture-project/news/quake-2-retexture-and-relight-progress-1

[6-10] cannonball posts release candidate for Return to Hadron Episode 3
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/114906-return-to-hadron-episode-3-rc1/?tab=comments#comment-2139913

[6-10] Nicolas Monti releases Alpha Centauri, a new Doom 2 episode using Doom stock textures plus alpha textures
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/a-c/centauri

[6-10] Abandon, a Boom-compatible wad composed of large slaughter maps, has entered beta
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/108251-abandon-beta-is-here/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzt0ylYlEhY

[6-5] Useful Wolf3D FAQ created
https://faq.wolf3d.net/

[6-5] Ion Fury dev is starting a map tutorial for Mapster32. Focused on IF, but should help with other games as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1day0eLWng&feature=youtu.be [Embed]

[6-1] Akeldama, 32-map megawad collaboration.
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/megawads/akeldama

[6-1] Spaceballs, the .wad
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/114797-dbp24-spaceballs-the-sequel-the-quest-for-more-dbp-maps/

[5-31] Egypt themed map for Hexen 2
https://www.moddb.com/games/hexen-ii/addons/shifting-sands

[5-28] Eternal Slayer, a new 3rd person melee mod.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=68667

[5-28] Wrath Update 2+ Big Box
https://youtu.be/VmJc5ReteFQ

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Friendly reminder to just have fun :)

Why Archviles takes so fucking long to kill? They are barely bigger than the zombiemen.

Playthrough video of map28 of 200 minutes of /vr/ is up. A quite difficult map.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CijkU7TZEZI

>>6518853
man who's the fucking goober that wrote this

>>6516595
Have you posted that 2nd map somewhere before? I 100% remember playtesting it a long time ago.

I recorded some FDA demos (other than map02). Prboom+ has some extremely laggy mouse movement for me for some reason (even outside of demos, but even more doing so), so you can see me miss a lot of point-blank shots in the first two levels/demos.
I then changed the sourceport to Woof (a new MBF port with demo-compatibility, only other one around afaik), which is so new yet archaic that it doesn't even have uncapped framerate nor widescreen resolution options. Its demos should run fine on prboom+ though.
I died in my first attempt at MAP05 so there's two demos for it.

https://files.catbox.moe/ssy4c2.zip

If you were looking for a 90s wad feel, you definitely achieved it, pleasantly. The first two maps are lackluster compared to the ones after them. MAP05 was definitely the most visually pleasing one, and with the most exciting gameplay. The gameplay's fun, although nothing special. The visuals are also nothing special, but not ugly -- although, the first thing I see when booting up the first level is a misaligned texture beneath a computer panel.
The first two levels could definitely use some more makeup.

>>6517813
Way better. GJ

>weapon mods add ridiculous muzzle climb in their guns
>no option to turn it off
Might as well rename their mod as "Gun Wrestling Mod".

>>6518891
Yes, I posted all the maps here before. Thanks for the demos (and pointing out the misaligned textures in the demos too, I will work on that).
The first two levels were me mostly just learning the ropes, doing very basic stuff in the editor. I may polish them later. Glad that you enjoyed the other levels.

>>6518918
I hate vertical kick up too. Though is there a mod in particular that's done this to you recently?

>>6518835
So how based decino is?

Wow, the cacodemon can bite. I always learn new things about Doom.

>>6518932
to name a few: Insanity Requiem, Tomtefar's Extension, The Trooper, BorderDoom and some mishmashed "more weapons" mods whose names I can't remember

>>6518975
Never been fond of any of those weapon sets myself, not a surprise it's a reoccurring thing.
Drives me crazy how many weapon mods out there are just retreads of the same basic shit we've seen so many times.

Hey anons
I tried my hand at making some custom sprites, I've always wondered why there arent any halo mods, aside from project msx.
This is my first time using gimp and designing sprites, just looking for some criticisms and potential pointers. I plan to do a full custom status bar and weapon replacements too, for now all I have done is the mugshot.
https://filebin.net/xpkl2byxb1dc1w6q

>>6519067
That's a pretty good start, nice touch with the visor cracking open and showing an eye

>>6518939
has a >discord server behind a paywall. Unironically plays slaughter. Not very based

>>6518939
He's OK I guess.

>>6518939
He seems like a nice guy, and is doing his part to make informative doom videos. So he's cool in my book

>>6518939
made this very thread
not very based asking yourself how based you are
also get a better mic and hone your accent

>>6519067
Good work, the sprites actually give me a bit of a Fallout vibe. I suppose it might just be the shading and the green but overall, good shit.

>>6519157
>Unironically plays slaughter.
Whats so bad about him not being a bitch?

>>6519260
slaughter is for bitches.

>>6518939
based on what

>>6519262
People who enjoy slaughter aren't the ones doin the bitchin.

>releases Valiant and Ancient Aliens, arguably the two best ever made Doom megawads in the span of two years

How did he do it?

>>6518835
Anyone got a link to the (patched) GOG version of Killing Time? Can't access it on their store.

>>6518853
>12yo discovers fanfiction . net

Why is Sunlust called that?

Am I an edgelord for usually preferring to play DOS games using DOSBox instead of source ports?
I do play with source ports sometimes but I usually prefer DOSBox.

>>6519441
I'd say less an edgelord and more so just having an uber-purist taste, or just being weird I guess.

How do i disable the addons of scoredoom if i wanna use other wads with the engine?

>>6519440
The sun is kinda hot.

>>6519441
I don't even know how to play Doom through DOSBox. Is it any different than Chocolate Doom?

Any cool gothic/medieval/fantasy style Doom wads? I remember there being one that apparently exclusively used Hexen textures but I can't find it.

>>6519523
Hellground by Alexander S. (Eternal)
Preacher by Darch
Maskim Xul by Obsidian

These are some I've liked

>>6518918
I like it if it isn't obnoxiously excessive.

>>6518939
He's alright.

>>6518973
Yes, and they're pretty damn vicious biters, too.
It's a shame iD didn't assign him a soundfile for that.

>>6518973
>>6519637
If pain elementals could bite, I feel like Doom would be a very different game. I'm glad they left that out. It's a cool tech to just be able to hug them to render them harmless while you dispose of them

>>6519441
I wouldn't say that it's edgy, but I would say that it's kind of pointless when you can just run Chocolate Doom natively on a modern OS without doing any crap with DOSBox, and have the same end result.

You do you.

>>6519659
I can launch my DOS games (not just Doom, but many, many others) very simply like Chocolate Doom by launching the GOG versions.
I may have to fiddle around with some modifications so I can get stuff like mouselook in the Build Engine Holy Trinity and Dark Forces but it works really well.

And I am still forced to use source ports for some mods like Sigil.

>>6519664
>And I am still forced to use source ports for some mods like Sigil.
Well that's just how it is, Sigil has too many visplanes to run on Vanilla Doom.

>>6518853
>that really whomstd've'd my vocabs

>>6519067
speaking of MSX, has anything came from either of those MSX-touch up projects that I've seen posted here a while ago?

reminder that using mouse/freelook/jump/crouch makes you a HERETIC

and thats why i will never be good at doom because i cant strife for shit

>>6519664
If you want to go 100% DOS you could download the Doom-plus and Doom2-plus executables to play Sigil and other limit-removing format maps.

>>6519520
It's just clunkier for no good reason

>>6519686
>HERETIC
>can't STRIFE
I sure hope this is a dumb attempt at a joke

>>6519219
read this in bob's voice

>>6519441
I don't think so. I still play Doom/Heretic this way as well. Although for BUILD games and Blood especially I prefer source ports. Even then, SW at least runs well in DOSBox

>>6519686
Mouse was in the original game, so no. I agree with the rest.
t. beat Doom the first time keyboard only

>>6519328
Is the Steam version of KT any good? Like do you need to kill your explorer.exe to even play it properly?

>>6518835
Anons like me who prefer Duke3D to Blood, why?
>Levels don't overstay their welcome
>Work horse weapons are more solid/reliable
>Duke is cooler than Caleb (though both rock)
>Better enemies and bosses (fuck rats fuck gillbeasts and fuck Cheogh)
>Better OST (Blood had good but few tracks)
>Mighty boot
>Interactivity emphasized more
>Lunar Apocalypse's space setting rules

>>6519689
puns like that make my Blood boil, and it makes me wanna go on a Rampage but we gotta put up with these shitty jokes that are like, to quote avgn, diarrhea Duke-y, cus Life is a Beach

NAM sayin'?

>>6519801

>>6519794
>duke is cooler than caleb
Wrong.

How the fuck did GGMan degraded into "those dweeby geeks, not like we testosterone filled jocks amirite" spewing hypocrite
I always knew he was a poser, but it only really hit me now when in his new Gloomwood review he suddenly made a joke about speedrunners being hipster creeps
wtf

>>6519794
>>6519885
They are both cringlelords and probably buttfuck buddies

>>6519906
He's also a corporate shill and will kiss asses for free game keys

>>6519906
>he suddenly made a joke about speedrunners being hipster creeps
it is true

FUCK E1M9 and FUCK PINKIES

>>6519978
>FUCK PINKIES
I'd rather not

>>6519980
Coward.

>>6519263

>>6519906
Hes a fag but isn't he right about speedrunners?

Granted not all are the same.

found a really nice texture pack the other day, only, the allocation of the resources was all over the place. so for 2-3 days I've been going from map to map, figuring out which texture should go where and renaming them to re-allocate them across the game. but man. I've given up now. the default doom texture allocations are all over the place.

I figured if say for example, I saw a floor texture I didn't like, that didn't fit the mood I wanted my pack to have. I could just copy the texture I like and rename it so it would apply cross-game. and even in multiple wads that use the default textures.

but then I figured out that for some reason, for example, the devs thought it was a good idea to use floor textures for ceilings.

so I've given up now. and I kinda get why there's not many standalone texture packs around.

>>6519906
>speedrunners being hipster creeps
Speedrunners give off sexual predator vibes

>>6519906
>ggman
literally who

Is there a way to increase the undo history in doombuilder2?
Also would be cool to have an autobackup feature say every 10 min interval or someshit.

>>6520048
rachel madcow is such a waste
could've easily been a pornstar but instead chose to gobble the liberal dick

Are all DOOM stage wads able to run in any engine or do some have exclusive gzdoom scripts and shit?

>>6520105
Stage wads?

>>6520115
maps

>>6520119
Well, some probably do.

>>6520105
>>6520119
Read the readme. If it needs to run in gzdoom itll tell you, but most map packs are vanilla/boom compatible. Also if you're downloading from doomworld, itll tell you what source port it was made for.
tl;dr, just read, faggot.

>>6520030
There are plenty of speedrunners I'm sure that take it maybe a little too seriously. Sure it's fascinating seeing games being exploited in different ways, but you gotta focus on real life at some point. The exact same thing can be said about any hobby though; there's always a group of people that participate in said hobby that obsess over it. Doesn't really say anything about the hobby itself though.


I mean the concept of PU's in Mario 64 still boggle my mind to this day

>>6518853
>if you catch my drift, in pussy eating
ok I kekked

Everybody talked about Duke's World Tour or Doom's Sigil, but what about Quake's Dimensions of the Past episode? What's the final verdict?

>>6520248
First I've heard of it. Will try, thanks anon.

>>6520145
Sure but aside from some people, the whole GDQ type of stuff smells like shit from a mile away.

>>6519523
Eternal Doom
beware there's a fair amount of Hexen-esque switch puzzles and mandatory secrets

>>6520248
>comparing Si6il to either one of those.....


I never knew about this though. I'm about to play the fuck out of it. Thanks anon.

>>6520286
>half life

>>6520289
>How about real life

That was an ad for kingpin back in the day, made me smirk even then.


Hl is still a good game faggotron.

>>6520286
Duke World Tour is on par with sigil, which while good was nothing particularly special beyond its author. His E1 level remakes were better.

>>6520326
>gif
>not animated

>>6520145
PUs in Mario 64 aren't THAT weird from an objective standpoint, if you look past the memes. All they are is a situation where one value that tracks Mario is capped at 16-bits while the other isn't, so the first value overflows and the other doesn't leading to undefined behavior.

>>6519934
>>6520030
>>6520043
There's more to speedrunning than the AGDQ people.

>>6520389
Here on 4chan, that's all that matters: Gossip and drama

>>6520326
>smol SMM
>Hell Knight midget

>>6520347
It comes from a BBS archive

>>6520389
Yeah I know there's also trannies, coomers and the mentally ill.

>>6520418
Trannies and the mentally ill is AGDQ, also there's nothing wrong with being a coomer.

>>6520430
>there's nothing wrong with being a coomer.

>>6520440
4chan is a coomer neighborhood, nofaps leave.

>>6520451
Coomers turn all boards into porn boards.

>>6520248
Dimensions Of The Past is pretty good, I'd recommend it to anyone who likes Quake.

>>6520460
No they don't.

>>6520464
>/b/, /x/

>>6520469
>/b/
your newfag is showing

>>6520485
Yeah I'm the newfag for complaining that coomers turned the best board into a porn board like a decade ago.

>>6520496
try 15 years ago
/b/ was a porn gif dump from the very beginning

>>6520504
>from the very beginning
>/b/ was always like this
This was a newfag cope you'd see all the time in like 2012-2013. /b/ actually had stuff happening on it. Then it just got a massive influx of rate my cock threads. I bet you if I went on /b/ right now there wouldn't even be a log thread. The absolute fucking state of /b/.

>>6520469
/b/ was always a shitheap, and /x/ was always very retarded and populated largely by underage b&s, not that succubus posting makes up more than a fraction of what goes on on that board.

>>6520496
>/b/
>best board
Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>6520496
>best board

>>6520305
IMHO Nightmare Underworld (E5M7) is Romero's best level to date. Very well designed, plays flawlessly with the v1.2 update, and it has a decent size for a change.

E5M5 and E5M6 are also masterpieces. Their atmospheric darkness is amazing, you can feel the touch of hell in the first dark segment of E5M6, which is quite rare in Doom mapping.

The other 6 maps are average, but they are mostly there to build up your game to the 3 great ones.

>>6520513
>>6520515
Early /b/ was top tier and is responsible for the overwhelming majority of chan culture. Shadow of its former self.

>>6520496
>best board
Whether you meant /b/ or /x/, you're VERY much wrong.

>>6520523
Back in like 2003-2005 or so, and even then most of it was still trash, and the stuff that was good is mostly forgotten.
Most of it was also very /s4s/ tier.

>>6520512
>Then it just got a massive influx of rate my cock threads.
thanks for proving my point, retard
you're an electionfag trying to pose as an oldfag, and it's painfully obvious you weren't here in 2005-6

>>6520248
DOPA is fun

>>6520528
People who complain about /b/ literally don't do anything. /b/tards used to actually go out and do things. I've seen people steal swamp people weed, send frogs out to fly, urbex, pinpoint mortar strikes with foot traffic heatmaps, make all the fake iphone features, etc. When's the last time any other board's done anything? People in these threads used to actually make wads and share them. You're lucky if you even get a couple anymore.

>>6520536
Been on since 09 and you'd have to be retarded to think they were as constant as they are now. People didn't post traps nonstop. Anyways this is a fucking Doom thread and we gotta stop derailing.

>>6520550
>9fag cancer
jesus

>>6520546
I'm working on a map right now. First one I made since 2014. Is there a /vr/ community map project I can contribute to?

>>6520546
>People in these threads used to actually make wads and share them.

people still do nigger, we have a news board for a reason.

>>6520563
They don't as frequently. It's all fucking shit stirrers like you.

doomguy if he real

>>6520521
E5M2 is also a really strong, albeit short, map in Sigil, IMO.

>>6520559
How complete is it? wip?

>>6519067
These are really good bro, you have some real skill for this if you're just starting out. Keep at it and I could see you becoming a beast at this shit.

>>6520569
While you're right. Engaging with that guy and calling him out is just gonna result in him turning around and calling you a shit stirrer too. Best thing you can do is not engage and instead be the change you want to see in these threads.

>>6520572
what if doomguy was LGBT???? they would have to call him doomgay lmao

Playthrough video of map29 of 200 minutes of /vr/ is up. A disgustingly difficult, but short map. Took me 64 attempts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M_VAUsJG6o

>>6520569
>fucking shit stirrers like you.
>contributes nothing by talking about "the good old days" of a shitposting board.

get the fuck off my planet.

>>6520586
Got any good 90s recs? I found this shareware disc on archive.org with a bunch of amateur mid 90s maps but I still need more.

>>6519067
>I've always wondered why there arent any halo mods
Maybe because the Halo franchise is incredibly boring. It's some of the blandest, generic 2000s sci-fi stuff I can think of.

>interesting topic

>gleefully reading along

>suddenly a pseudo-moralizing wall of text by redneckerz that nobody asked for

>>6519906
>implying speedrunners arent degenerate creeps
Bro have you seen the tranny hugbox that is AGDQ?

>>6520606
show me on the doll where anon touched you

>it's another re-run of the 'we hate speedrunners' episode
oh, boring

>>6520606
you're right so i'll pose my personal question/request. can somebody point to a decent texture pack? i know about dthp & cc4 tex.

Does anybody have the full version Perdition's Gate wad from 96?

>>6520591
>>6520606
>>6520610
>complain about off topic posts
>don't contribute anything to the thread
Fucking post something worthwhile or don't post at all.

>>6520608
Its disgusting.
I dont mind speedrunning at all but that thing gives me the creeps.

>>6520593
Pretty much. It was quaint seeing fans taking it way too seriously. It didn't have any legs to stand on.

>>6520620
did i just catch you complaining about off topic posts and not contributing anything to the thread?

>>6520546
There are a ton of people in these threads that make wads. Rekkr guy, GMOTA guy, Marisa Karisame, the guys that have been posting maps recently, I myself make wads but don't discuss/promote them here anymore. Stop whining.

>>6519219
>>6520582
Thanks guys. Up close the sprites look kind of garbage, but I think part of it might just be that I was staring at them for so fucking long and just sort of got that "art blindness" thing going on. They are palatted for doom, so they should be vanilla compatable too.
>>6520593
I'm a literal halo kiddie 1997 fag, I grew up with halo. It wasnt until I was an adult that I started getting into retro shooters. Nowadays whenever my friends invite me to play halo I'm incredibly bored with it. It would be so much better if chief just moved 50% faster.

>>6520621
Halo felt like that one shitty Midway area 51 game on ps2. Thought it'd just get forgotten. Same thing with Killzone.

>>6518835
Any good experience with any of these?

https://archive.org/details/cdrom-megadoom-2

https://archive.org/details/DzoneGold

https://archive.org/details/maxdeath-doomii

>>6520638
G*d bless those scam artists and their shovelware collections. In a way this helped preserving a lot of stuff.

>>6520592
there's a shitton ripped from archive on moddb

>>6520593
only good thing ripped was the ar.

>>6520616
http://www.mediafire.com/file/genkgql3bs2wgcr/PG.pk3/file

>>6520616
>>6520652
I must warn you people, Perdition's Gate is very boring.

Very angery laser cannon is angery.

>>6520528

>>6520628
Dont get me wrong kudos for what they pulled off with those terrible specs on consoles. Halo was a miracle a true tech demo for console. But there was never anything more than that in it.

>>6520658
I remember liking Perdition's Gate as a kid but Hell to Pay was way better.

>>6520697
It has its bright sides, but the last third of PG is miserable. Tarnsman once said something along the lines of "It just gives the fuck up." and I think he's right.

>>6520652
That's really weird I remember PG having Strife enemy sprites for some reason.

>>6520705
That might be right because I don't remember finishing it at all.

>>6520681
someone really should make a guide
about how to make 3D weapons for GZDoom
wink wink
nudge nudge

>>6520714
p sure those are just sprited. The perspective doesn't change when it shakes. Unless that's just a weird GZDoom thing.

>>6520724
No. Those are models. It's a GZdoom thing

>>6520742
I've always wondered when people think a wad stops being a Doom wad and more of a GZDoom engine indie game. I've seen a few projects on GZDoom that are full 3d and could never be recognized as Doom wads at first glance. Does it stop being a Doom wad if it can't run on the original or is the line somewhere else?

>>6520763
It's not a wad when it's extension is something other than a .wad

>>6520802
There are plenty of IWADs out there that we don't call Doom wads though. And people call pk3s wads all the time. Look at Sharpshooter3D. It's a .wad file and runs on GZDoom but I'd call it an indie game, not a Doom wad. If it can't run on og Doom and requires completely different framework is it really the same?

>>6519308
So I've been going through Ancient Aliens. I'm on map 26 and I idk if I'm rushing it or whatever, but it feels like it's been running on fumes ever since the end of the first episode. I like it but it's getting so predictable.

>>6520658
>>6520697
>>6520705
Yeah, Perdition's Gate was honestly only good in the first 11 maps, as they were made with Final Doom in-mind before the window closed. The middle levels are okay, but lack the polish of the early levels, and the final third is littered with obvious last minute filler that isn't worth playing.
Mackey McCandlish has to be one of the worst "big name" mappers of the 95-96 era, IMO. I don't think I've enjoyed a single one of his maps. His Memento Mori map is awful, too.

>>6519441
A properly-configured DOSBox is usually still preferable to source ports for most games that aren't Doom or Build engine. It's a real shitshow of wrong aspect ratios, forced bilinear filters (actually forced, not even a default setting that you can turn off), frequent crashes, and gameplay inaccuracies, and it's all been abandoned 10+ years ago so none of that shit is getting fixed. Anyone that's never left the comfort of Doom engine ports has no idea how good they have it.

playing doom 64 and its the 2nd best doom game for me so far, why isnt it talked about more?

>>6519441
Not edgy at all, really.
But in the case of Doom engine games, I personally don't really see any reason to go dosbox over chocolate, outside of pure novelty, or wanting the full experience of fiddling with dehacked/deusf .exes.
Chocolate aims to be as accurate as possible to Vanilla, but with native windows support, and having command line arguments that bypass the need for dehacked/deusf .exes.
Also has savegame and demo limits as optional, as they only inconvenience players more so than affect map compatibility. many vanilla mappers even in the 90's ignored these particular limits, anyway.

>>6520919
contrarians
some faggots will legit try to convince you that 'you're only liking it because it's new to you, in time you'll see that it's actually shit'
its only fault is being too easy

>>6520919
It was on the 64, so people sleep on it.

>>6520958
yeah. it was buried by goldeneye

Anons, what's the best way to play Star Wars: Dark Forces? I've heard some conflicting things but the general premise of "a star wars game with doom gameplay" sounds really cool. But there's a bunch of conflicting shit on the best way to play and apparently it doesn't even have a real source port?

>>6520919
For the longest time a lot of people thought it was a port, like Duke 64, rather than a new game. This is because they changed the name from Doom: The Absolution, to Doom 64. Turok and Golden Eye coming out around the same time might have also hurt it too.

>>6521027
Use the new source port

>>6520865
>Ancient Aliens
>but it feels like it's been running on fumes ever since the end of the first episode
Not him, but I disagree wholeheartedly here. E1 was the weakest episode of Ancient Aliens by a long mile. While its still fine, and certainly has a memorable MAP01, things didn't really pick up for me until MAP08, with the stuff before feeling like Skillsaw wasn't bringing his all. E2 was full of strong maps back-to-back, with MAP16 probably being my favourite map in the whole megawad. And E3 had a lot of variety thanks to the guest mappers breaking things up with their own approaches to map design, with some unique visuals here and there, too.

>>6520763
If it does not requires IWAD, then it's a full game.

Hello /vr/, this is pretty much my first map that is not dicking around with the editor, and I wanted some feedback before considering it done. It's pretty long, taking around 30 minutes to complete.
It should work with any boom compatible port, but I only tested it in prboom+. It's best played in software mode because it uses some transmap and colormap effects.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/oq3ghzni4m91bdt

There are no different skill levels so I need advice mostly regarding that.

>substance20 is a competent doom modder

why did no one tell me this?

>>6521153
The guy has a history, he made a game before and has worked in the vidya industry as an artist for a long time.

>>6521083
I can see where that's coming from, E1 is the odd one out and ymmv on that, I guess. I was just disappointed that the puzzle elements fizzled out later in the set. The new enemies in E2 are fun as fuck but not really suited to those setups.

How do I make 3D Floors in GZDoom Builder? The tutorial I'm watching doesn't work.

>>6521191
which tutorial is it?

>>6521194
This one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYCji98RxrU&

Can you guys hook me up with the Archvile Jump wad? I can't find it anywhere

>>6520613
anyone? also, if i can feel like i can get tetanus just by looking at it like this one, it'd be greatly appreciated

>>6520613
>>6521231
That one looks pretty good.

>>6521241
yes but everything else is too dark. feels like i'm staring in the void.

>>6521083
>>6521185
From what I remember reading his comment on the onemandoom review, Most of E1's maps was just skillsaw experimenting with ideas and palette changes before he decided on making a megawad with the alien theme. This is why E1 had a few puzzle elements, and didn't introduce the flying saucers until very late into the episode.

Another dumb skin test that I probably wont get to anything with for months

>>6521128
Welp loaded it up in zandronum and of course die to a hitscanner. My first thoughts are:

Yeah we're starting off well, gotta play seriously
There's no place to catch my breath
OK found a spot I can in the chaingun room, where is the armor
Some real annoying revs
of course I die to a hitscanner. At least he got what was coming to him.

If you want to tone down the difficulty then probably remove the revs and replace them with something else, add armor? It does depend on what sort of competency level you are looking for since as it is the start feels like something for more of an advanced player. I'm going to give it another try.

>>6521128
Died another couple of times, the soulsphere kind of felt like a "that's it?' kind of ambush but then the cyberdemon reveal made up for it. There's nothing to keep from escaping that area which I took advantage of. Ammo felt kinda light but not impossible. Still found no armor.

>>6521404
>>6521380
You can only get armor early on through secrets (there's a button in the lava near the stairs which opens up a room with armor). I guess that was a mistake since it's green armor on top of that.

Remember that Tom is king and his maps with sandy are godlike.

>>6521415
Died again because I ran out of ammo. I have an early game route mapped out where I go right, take out the shotgunner, grab his weapon, make my way thru the imps, beeline for the super shotgun and jump out the window and head back to the chaingun room to take stock of the situation.

I'm really not a fan of being restricted by armor and ammo, particularly the latter in an area where I ran into tons of cacodemons, revs, an archvile all teleporting in and had no ammo in an area of tight corridors.

>>6521128
i've been playing it off and on, saveless too.i like how the two paths at the start blend nicely into one another, each path getting you a shotgun at the very least. i keep getting fucked at the Vile room. mostly because the SSG isn't killing multiple shotgunners for whatever reason. what makes things more difficult is the invis at the start. i feel like that's fucking me over more than anything especially in that really dark hallway leading to the Vile/Hell Knight. i'll play it more seriously later but I like it so far.

>couldn't sleep
>decided to play doom until I want to sleep
>2 hours to work
>can't go to sleep because if I do i won't be able wake to up in time

>>6521445
This man speaks the truth
>"B-But Romero is GOD"
>"Sandy made most of Doom 2 and it made no sense!"
>"Tom Hall didn't even make Doom, he's not in the credits!"
Watch the Romerokids seethe at the truth
Sigil is shit and the Sandmeister made Doom what it is, cope.

Reminder that Heretic has much better level design than either of Dooms

>>6521445
>>6521489
e2m2 is, by far, the best official map from Doom.
it does the best job of selling all of Doom's unique aesthetic and gameplay components in one package. It's exploratory, it's tense, the combat is fun and provides multiple options, there's a dungeon-crawling element while still remaining compact, it shows off the chaotic transition from a "grounded" base environment into Doom's unique interpretation of Hell, enemy placement is well-considered, etc. It's got it all, and yet it surprisingly coheres.
It have some nice exploratory nature, abstract semi-realism, little gimmicks and varied environments to keep the journey interesting, lots of free roaming enemies while the overall difficulty stays low, and you can choose whether to fight the monsters with conventional weapons or a berserk fist.
E2M2 is abstract in the way the best Doom levels are, but it has a fully realized sense of place. it actually feels like a functioning base of some kind of while also being an engaging experience that introduce strange elements into the mix - no small feat. the whole idea of a base overtaken by otherworldly and hellish elements is felt strongly the map - no ingame storytelling is needed. so many ideas are contained in what might initially seem to be a flat and boxy layout. it's like the level tells an entire story as you go through it (another thing you can feel very much in particular with episode 2 map 4 of Doom 1). it also feels labyrinthine but in a way that is exciting and interesting to unpack, and not as complicated as it might look. the fact that the crate maze is a central feature of the level but you can largely bypass it because the map points you to the critical path by the berserk pak is also really brilliant. i'm glad this map, and Tom Hall as a designer, is finally getting the love it deserves from the Doom community.

>>6521534
Your shit is retarded but your case sure sounds pretty. Mid to late Ep 1 has the best levels.

>>6521489
Just because Sandy is good, and a bunch of his (and Romero's) maps are founded on Tom's WIPs, doesn't mean Romero isn't also a good mapper. Doom and Doom 2 wouldn't be as good without any of their input and work, and Plutonia wouldn't be so good if it wasn't such a total love letter to Doom and Doom 2's levels.

Also Sigil is very good.

>>6521547
E2 is much more fun and much cooler than E1 desu.

>>6520521
E5M7 and E4M6 are Romero's best maps

>>6521571
What about Map 29 tho?

Did you guys know that if you shot this wall in E2M4, it raises the floor under this crusher up until the ceiling (thus whatever height the crusher is at when they meet)? I didn't. I don't know why this is there, but it just is.

It's funny that I still sometimes discover some new little thing about this game in the year 2020.

>>6521128
Okay I've had enough of this map for now.

The different paths you can take idea is neat. But there isn't always enough ammo to keep the pace fun. I was using fists and chainsaw along with abusng infighting to get thru areas at some points because there was no other choice -- if I hadn't grabbed the plasma and BFG secrets then the blue key area would have been insane.

After grabbing the blue key there was a bit of a slow area where there were two boxes of shells, thoset really needed to be before the ambush and not after. The 16 shells in that hallway is not enough to deal with the pressure applied in that area and I was ammo starved by that point.

There were a lot of times where I couldn't focus on one thing because of enemies that were around, this is one main reason why I went for the SSG immediately and then hid in the chaingun room, just so I could get solid firepower while not being fanked constantly.

After getting out of the blue key area, the map started ramping up in enjoyability, there were some good supplies and the invulnerability sphere made that one area interesting (props on putting the switch to open it up behind the player when they teleport in)

The arachnotrons were acting strangely but maybe they were targeting a cacodemon or something, then I ran into this lovely fellow and immediately died. This is where I threw my keyboard across the room in frustration, punched the desk and hurt my fist a little.

Well, not really. Overall, the map is very hard, feels a little malicious, and needs more supplies.

I would recommend that green armor near the start barred off so you can see it is there, and thus check to see if it opens up when you hit the switch in the next room. There are a lot of switches where I don't understand what they do, and given the flow of the map so far it feels like I need every item to get past it smoothly.

PROTIP:
Playing without saves is the best way to improve your skill.

>>6521607
there is some weird shit about that room, i consider it basically unneeded and sometimes the entryway into it rises up and keeps you from going in. It's not like there's anything stupendously amazing in there or some kinda ultra secret on top next to the eye decorations, you can just ignore that room entirely.

>>6521617
Is that Scythe 1 map30?

>>6521617
Fire "and you fucking suck balls at this game and slaughter maps" Ice

>>6521617
here I always thought the best method to improve was to git gud

Just beat doom 64 and the lost levels, ending my marathon of classic id doom

Power rankings

including packages

Ultimate doom + sigil>doom 64 + lost levels>doom 2 + nrftl>final doom

episodically
knee deep in the dead>sigil>thy flesh consumed>doom 64>inferno>shores of hell>no rest for the living>plutonia>lost levels>doom 2>>>>>tnt

>>6521581
It's awesome too, but not on the level of those two

>>6521638
>>6521639
lol too easy. I also chose one of the worst possible maps when talking about playing with no saves. I wonder if Erik has any idea how famous his maps are. I don't play on consoles but they should add Scythe to the Classic Unity port. They probably never will because of the copyrighted music in the PWAD. Maybe Jimmy can make music specifically for those Scythe levels like he did with other PWADs to replace the copyrighted music.

>>6521617
I agree, but it usually works best to do it on maps that aren't too far away from your skill level, so that you are steadily honing your skills.
Jumping the gun and making nosave attempts on maps significantly above what you're comfortable with, will more often than not, result in frustration more than anything, with the likelihood of actually finishing a run being very low.

Nightmare in Jaguar is brutal, the enemies are even faster than PC

>>6518854
The 90s were a magical time.

>>6521660
>Knee Deep in the Dead > all
Based. One of these days you should try to do deathless runs of the entire episode, starting with Ultra Violence difficulty, then maybe UV-Max, then UV +fast monsters, and finally deathless Nightmare runs.

I made a no-commentary walkthrough of how to achieve a deathless run of episode 1 on Nightmare. The main point of the video is to demonstrate the most consistent route to take. The route would also apply to Ultra-Violence runs as well. It's obviously not a UV-Max route, just a route that takes you to the important secret areas and skips the pointless secrets, like the +4 armor in E1M2.
> https://youtu.be/UW-aJomTRac

>>6521615
Went thru another way and found a cache of rocket ammo that made the next area doable, but really were the turbo cacos necessary.

After that though the areas were really starting to get excruciatingly complex and coupled with the spawn cubes the only reason I was able to finish the map was from turning on god mode and running in circles long enough to discover the yellow bars that opened the way to the exit. Here I was thinking I had to make my way across to the front of the icon but lo and behold there was nothing there. Also I got telefragged and what the hell was that about.

This is easily the nicest looking weapon of the set so far.

>>6518853
>a few lessons...if you catch my drift, in "pussy eating"
with all the subtlety of a tactical nuke

>>6520593
okay boomer

>>6521775
JUST LIKE HIROSHIMA

>>6520048
have you tried ultimate doom builder
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=66745

>>6520593
I was just thinking about how Halo had potential to be a great classic shooter. A mix of Unreal and Tribes we never had. Playing the recent PC releases just gives me pain as its so clear little changes could have been made to the original to make it waaaaaaay better than it actually is. Actually being able to dodge enemy projectiles with faster movement speed, more open indoor environments, upping the enemy count while reducing that god awful projectile magnetism and auto aim. Only the original Halo seems like it could be a classic old school shooter though. All the sequels make things into these hyper cramped borderline cover shooters as you do nothing but hide and wait for your health to regenerate before popping out to shoot something in the head and hiding again. I mean seriously, they reduced the character's running speed while increasing enemy projectile speed and tracking with every single game.

>Screenshot from 1999

God damn consoles ruined everything

>>6521867
>they reduced the character's running speed while increasing enemy projectile speed and tracking with every single game
Christ, and people stuck with this series?

>>6521819
The japs have been cucked ever since.

>>6521870
Die weeaboo

I know this is probably a stupid question to ask, but are there any other free IWADs for doom besides Freedoom?

>>6521819
JUSTA RIKE NAGASAKI

>>6521895
>>6521778
Halobabby is mad.

So is there a way to have my doom mod be played as an executable file like Grezzo 2 or is this covered in the OP?

>>6521558
and e3 sucks dick in general
fuck e3m2 in general

>>6521952
E3M2 is good.

>>6521954
it's the only map that i grunt at on uv-fast
map27 levels of terrible, thank fuck for the archvile porter though

>>6521949
just bundle it with a source port of your choice and an open IWAD, such as Freedoom, and have a configuration file with it that launches the IWAD with the PWAD

>decide to plow through d1/d2 bundled with the bfg edition
>can't pull off a single bar glide

>>6521617
I used to play without saves and it eventually made me hate the game until I stopped. You can only die so many times on a 20+ minute map before it eats away at you.

i think the jump from "hurt me plenty while saving after almost every encounter" to "uvfast no saving" may have been a bit more than i initially thought i could handle

>>6522067
Why'd you just a difficulty up and also to fast?

>>6522029
there are other difficulty setting besides UV, anon

>>6522067
only play with fast monsters no-saves after you've UV-Maxed no-saves the level several times because a) you will need to have the level memorized and b) if you only UV-Max it once, it could have just been a lucky run, you need to learn to beat it consistently, not just get lucky once and move on

>>6522071
what

>>6522089
Why would I want to play a version of the map with less monsters and more pickups if I don't explicitly need to due to lack of skill? It's not getting the intended experience. If I can handle every encounter piecewise on UV then UV is the right difficulty for me, it's just that when you're doing an endurance run you're much more likely to make a game-ending mistake at some point.
If YOU enjoy playing no-save, more power to you, but I tried it for quite a while and I decidedly prefer playing with saves, and use pistol start as my limiter instead (which I find more fun regardless of its difficulty enhancement due to making the beginning of maps much more varied from each other and individual secrets more significant)

>>6522112
>i can't beat the map without saves
>it's not due to lack of skill

>>6522131
I eventually did beat every map I played without saves until I stopped doing that altogether
I just fucking HATED it
Mount Pain was what got me to quit the practice, that map is still the worst experience I've had with DOOM and I've gotten to MAP29 in Eternal DOOM right now. I beat Mount Pain no saves but I wish I fucking hadn't

>>6522131
to be fair some maps can have nasty traps you would have almost no chance of beating without knowing about them, but i think that, especially on uv, people shouldnt expect to beat a challenging map on the first try

WHich one is better?
blood rebirth (re blood), zbloody hell or bloom?

I've always held the opinion that people doing their first playthroughs of maps/mapsets shouldn't be afraid to make checkpoint saves for the sake of their sanity. And that nosave runs should be reserved for map/mapsets they really liked and want to beat "for real" afterwards.
I understand the satisfying feeling of finishing maps without the help of saves. But some levels can be too spicy or filling to be able to endure blind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0-riOgQGsg

>>6522089
i forgot to mention, i specifically recommended uv-max and not just uv because it is slightly harder and the extra practice helps, and knowing the secrets helps.

i know this is borderling autism but hear me out: something i never would have thought of were it not for the prevelance of speedrunning is recording demos every time i play. i like to beat a level about 5+ times, but it definitely depends on the level/circumstances. first i just want to beat it, then i learn to beat it consistently while trying to lower my time. it takes FOREVER to play through new material this way, but i've never had more fun playing doom, except for maybe the golden days of when i was just a noob and didn't know anything about anything and was just playing scythe for the first time. of course it's important that you only do this with levels and map sets that you love. for me, i frickin' love scythe

pic related is doom launcher, which keeps track of your stats for every level completion for you (not pictured) as well as your demos if you choose to record them

>>6522140
>tnt
>eternal doom
i think the problem is you've been playing not-fun maps. i've already spent over 25 hours on scythe 1 since i started playing it again last month for the sake of recording demos like i just mentioned, and i'm still having a blast. i'm currently working on lowering my time for scythe episode 1 uv-fast.

i think you should return to no-saves pistol-starts, but beat the level on lower difficulties before doing uv no-saves, and if you're not having fun, choose a different level or PWAD

also the importance of good music cannot be understated. just check this shit out
> https://youtu.be/M8ieiH-97O0
this is one of the albums that i listen to while grinding scythe demos

>>6522187
is there a mention of the mono thing in the menu theme

>>6522158
Ive chosen bloom and i must say the quality of it is absolutely amazing.
The enemies and the levels are superb

>>6522196
>knowing the secrets helps
secrets are more of a crutch than savescumming. secrets are for the weak.
if you've trivialized combat and ammo management, then you haven't played the level.

Anons, I just got a bad ass idea - you can replace the Doom FLAC music packs ( http://sc55.duke4.net/games.php#doom )
with Andrew Hulshult's IDKFAv2!
Download link
> https://www.moddb.com/mods/brutal-doom/addons/idkfa-doom-soundtrack
Preview in case you haven't heard it
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGK1dr-Ql0w

You can replace all of the Doom music with whatever you want, now that I think about it. Any recommendations?

>>6521778
OK spazlord

>>6522408
t. Andrew Hulshult

>>6522408
MBR did it better

>>6522408
idkfa comes in a .wad format, why would you need to replace anything?
for doom 2 there are those "doom metal" packs popular with brutal doom crowd

>>6522416
The WAD is only compatible with Z/GZDoom or Zandronum. Using the "Config files" here ( http://sc55.duke4.net/games.php#doom ) let's you run the FLAC files in Chocolate or Crispy Doom. I just finished renaming all the files and I'm about to test it now.

IDKFAv2 is for Doom 1. Doom Metal Vol 5 is both for Doom 1 and Doom 2; its Doom 2 music is good but IDKFA is WAY better for Doom 1.

>>6522414
This is really good but its only one song. I do listen to this artist when I'm grinding.

>>6522423
For Z/GZ Zandro, you can load both files. Load IDKFA over Doom Metal, and you will have IDKFA for Doom 1, and Doom Metal for Doom 2.

>>6522408
>andrew healslut

>>6520919
I love it, too. I hate the chaingun in vanilla doom,
Doom 64 chaingun is so satisfying to use. BUT THE FUCKING SHOTGUN AND SUPER SHOTGUN ANIMATIONS MAKE ME WANT TO COMMIT DIE

>>6522498
>not the plasmagun
pg in d64 is pure sex

>>6522498
Just pretend its quake

>>6518835
Quake but in the Deepweb.

>>6521726
Wow, thanks for the detailed playthrough. I'll definitely be adjusting the difficulty for the blue key route. Since the map is non linear you could take either the red key or the blue key and ignore half the map, but I wasn't sure if I was giving too much ammo or too little. I can see what the problem is now.
I added a modified arachnotron (the one that shoots extra fast) and another cacodemon in dehacked intended for an area I didn't end up making, but I didn't want them to go unused. If it's too out of place I can remove them. I don't think the caco was too threatening since it infights really easily with the cyberdemon.
I also was playing around with the idea of having the icon of sin as a normal enemy, but I was worried the player would try killing it. I added an evil eye to show there was nothing there but I guess that didn't get the point across. I'll try making more obvious where you have to go.
Thanks for playing. I'll release a finished version with revised skill levels in some days.

Heeeeeeeeeeeere's Johnny!

>>6522662
Let's just file this under 'pop culture references caleb shouldn't be making'

>>6520590
>A disgustingly difficult, but short map. Took me 64 attempts.
Makes you feel real agitated, isn't it?

Finally learned how to do static portals in GZDoom.
The tutorial I followed was a lot more complex with minutia than is actually required.
I plan on doing a few levels that heavily feature portals, and I am very excited to start working on it.
Have any of you done extensive work with portals in Doom?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rspyM9Sk1g

>>6522686
You must be fun at parties

>>6522713
Do you even watch civvie, bro?

>>6522698
Pfff, BUILD handles non-euclidean space natively

>>6522719
So does GZDoom :^)

>>6522717
>shitty e-celeb of the week
Nope

>>6522726
>everything I don't like is shit
Intellectually mature, bro

>>6522720
BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH
GZDoom is a port, not the original engine. Doomlets eternally and forver sodomized and BTFO'd. DURR HURR

>>6522730
Speaking of pic related, how’s the Robocop mod?

>>6522727
>bro
Americans and their obsession with butchered English

Recently got into retro shooters, but I chose a MAC for non gaming related reasons when choosing a laptop. Is it worth figuring out how to bootcamp so I can run windows so I can play games like Blood, Wrath, Amid Evil etc?

>>6522757
please tell me you have a main computer with windows anon

>>6522763
It is my main computer...

>>6522767
damn bro, I hope you had really good non-gaming reasons for it...

>>6522767
[F]

I took the musicprod pill to get dem art hoes, but now I realize that my true calling in life is to slay cultists, mutants, aliens, demons. I have made the wrong choice in life

>>6522767
R.I.P.

>>6522779
become the next mick gordon or andrew hulshult and make music mods for doom duke etc

>>6520590
as a casul player that only plays on the second difficulty this makes my palms sweat and feel me anxious

>>6522767
Go to alibaba or ebay and find a working refurbished laptop. For genuinely old retro shooters anything will work fine. Not sure about Amid Evil though

>>6522779
Make some cool music to slay cultists, mutants, aliens, demons to

>>6522767
i'm sorry

>>6520590
Are you going to make any other playthroughs?

>>6520590
Ho-ho-hold the fuck up. Why are you playing this in complevel -9? The TXT file says it's meant for -2.

I just tried to play TNT again. Got most of the way through MAP17 before quitting, for reference when I came back to TNT after a break I just started MAP17. I just can't fucking bare it anymore. The combat when there is some is fun but this fucking labyrinth level design is fucking annoying and infuriating. I think I might just skip it in favor of Plutonia. It's fucking garbage.

>>6522958
Isn't MAP17 a small map, though?

>>6522967
Actually, yeah, I'm retarded. I meant MAP18. MAP17 was fine.

>>6522958
>>6522972
You played all the okay stuff in TNT already. If MAP18 broke you then I advice you to stop and go play Plutonia.

MAP20 to MAP27 in TNT is just complete shit. You will be sapped of your will to play when going through those. So, don't unless you want to experience the lowest point of all the IWADs.

MAP28 to MAP30 are okay. MAP19 has the famous TNT trailer/truck but apart from that you're not missing much.

>>6522719
It was only ever really used in that gimmicky Duke 3D secret level.

I've got a really nice semi-intricate backstory for my level set, and each level tells a story, but I'm just gonna leave it all in messages to the player that only happen if they shoot a computer or something, similar to Sigil, and it will just put the text on screen; and just environmental storytelling, so players that just want to play can just play.

>>6523039
>similar to Sigil
Do you mean in how it works or did Sigil have lore all this time?

>>6523080
I mean like how you need to shoot the eyeballs in Sigil to trigger required level mechanics, I will have objects you can shoot/touch/trigger that will put a message on the screen, to deliver lore or story.

How do I run SIGIL btw? Readme says I should go to additional options, but there are none.

>>6523124

You should try re-downloading it, could have been a bad file site.

Additional options should always be there.

I'm having issues with simple quake launcher for quake 2. Base game works fine, but trying to launch a map from the expansion packs leads to "map.bsp not found".
I'm using Yamagi as a source port.

>>6523137
I got it from idarchive and readme tells me to run it in GZ Doom. But I'm not quite sure where Do I find this:

3) In the "Additional Parameters" section, click "Browse..." and choose the
SIGIL.wad file from the location where you installed SIGIL (hopefully the same
directory as GZDoom). If you bought a fan box, click "Browse..." again to
choose the SIGIL_SHREDS.wad file.

>>6523179
Nevermind I was stupid when I tried using command line arguments, it works now.

gzdoom keeps crashing how do i make it stop

>>6523197
what version are you on?

>>6523213
g4.3.2

>>6523221
try updating to a newer version, you either have a corrupted install, or whatever you're trying to play simply doesn't like the version of GZdoom you're using

>shotgunner shoots a pinky
>the pinky instantly turns around and run towards him at the speed of light, biting him hard enough to make him fucking explode
why dont enemies infight in modern games, i love this shit

Say anons, what's the best WAD Load Order when dealing with a lot of em? My main ordering idea has just been
>IWAD
>Map Set
>Sound Stuff (SFX, Soundtracks)
>Gameplay Stuff (Autoautosave, Vanilla Essence, haven't tried BD or PB yet but that's probably where they'd go)
>Graphics Stuff (Dehacked, Sprite fixes and Smooth Doom)
Am I retarded in doing it this way? I just found this shit on a quick search and that's what I've been using with no issue but I have been experiencing some stutters, I don't know if it's my load order or my PC being an ape.
>>6523235
Yeah, infighting is great both tactically and just fun wise. I'm really annoyed that in Eternal (inb4 not retro but fuck you it's relevant to conversation) they have enemies infight while you make their way to you but they don't actually do any damage to each other, it's all a big theater show.

Just Boot Camp it or use VMware and ignore poor seething Winfags. Wrath has a Mac version.

Is DoomRL + DoomRPG still viable or latest versions lack the camp patch?

>>6522757
GZDoom runs really well on MacOS
Blood runs in BuildGDX

>>6523039
Good idea, but I wouldn't do it by shooting. Just imagine if in the middle of a fight a text popped up.

>>6523228
alright got it

>>6523240
You generally want the sprite fixes to be loaded first before anything else. So it would go more like IWAD -> SpriteFixes+DoomSFX -> Map -> Map-specific sprite fix (if one is needed) -> then everything else.

>>6523039
>Story in Doom
anon, just curious, were you around for the ZDoom days where everyone and their mom thought it was a great idea to tell stories with cutscenes and text crawls and stuff in their maps? because to me it sounds like you weren't and you're about to commit those same mistakes

just do environmental story telling and intermission text stuff. if the story requires you to use ZDoom features then it's already a red flag. Make it work in limit-removing/boom

>>6523374
>>6523240
Oh and the stutters probably don't come from anything in your load order. That's just GZDoom being GZDoom. It's a performance hog. Consider LZDoom if you're on older hardware.

>>6523379
It's mostly focused on the levels, the story is just spice/extra details.
Like, if you are playing the game and wondering why there are certain details in the environment, you can find out.
It's less of a Half Life and more of a Dark Souls

>>6523381
>>6523374
>>6523240
Oh and finally, consider trying other sourceports. You can also use basic quality of life stuff in GLBoom+ and Crispy like the sprite fixes, DoomSFX, and vsmooth (fraggle's smooth weapons that work on vanilla, through dehacked magic). More often than not this is a much better way of playing vanilla than whatever you're gonna get in (G)ZDoom. Try to only use (G)ZDoom for gameplay mods.

>>6523390
>>6523381
Already on LZDoom, I've been considering checking out the other source ports but I've just grown into this routine and am used to it at this point. But I'll consider it I guess.

hey guys do any one of you have that doom wad where you go to taco bell? I think it was called like cacobell.wad I used to have it and I've been looking everywhere for it and I can't find it. thanks fags

Decided to play TNT again. 3 mancubi and a revenant near the exit on MAP03, what is this, Plutonia?

Will probably get filtered by Metal like the last time.

>>6522921
Yes, but I haven't decided on the wad yet. Currently I'm leaning toward 300 minutes of /vr/ to finish the trilogy, but I may do something else.
>>6522932
No idea. Although, it didn't break anything, it seems.

>>6522958
skip it and don't look back. plutonia is not only way better but historically significant

playing quake 2 makes me realize doom 2016 is quake with a doom theme

>>6523557
What's that supposed to mean?

>>6523560
the acrobatic combat, the quad damage, the armor shards, even the pistol works the same

Curious, are there any concrete resources out there to learn Quake modding? Modelling & Animating to be more specific.

I've interested in lowpoly 3D modelling and I love Quake. I feel like I need something to break the ennui so

what's people's views on saving mid-level?

for me I try to avoid it

>>6523571
I usually just forget to save. Unless level is unreasonably long, it's better not save to have a proper experience.

>>6523571
No shame in it if the level is really fucking long. I usually limit it to saving when picking up keys.

>>6523578
ooh that's actually a good idea

>>6522754
Ye right bruv

>>6523571
only if a level is long and i know there's a bitch of a fight coming up

>>6523571
If you can't beat the level without saving, you need to turn down the difficulty. For example, Preacher Map 09 is very difficult and about 40 minutes long, with an Icon of Sin boss fight at the very end. Don't bitch out. Just play on skill 1 while you learn the map.

>>6523606
ha that's what I did for my first full quake playthrough

>>6523571
If I get to where I died previously I'll make a save beforehand. I'm usually a chronic savescummer so I try to save as little as possible when playing Doom.

>>6522958
Update: I'm playing Plutonia on HMP, with a bit more savescumming than usual due to the high amount of combat encounters. This shit is unimaginably more fun than TNT ever was. The combat is super satisifying, this is the same glee I felt during shit like Attack.wad and KDITD and other just, generally well designed maps.

Due to it being at HMP it's not as ball-busting as I expected. For now. But it is still giving me a lot more trouble than Doom 1 or 2 did. It feels more like a roided up Doom 2 than a full on slaughter-fest like I assume UV is, but I'm honestly still having a lot of fun all the same. I'm leaving it here for the night but I got to MAP12 in just about an hour of playing. If it keeps up the pace like this I'll be pleased.

>>6523721
glad you're having fun

>>6523606
>just grind the same map over and over again on a piss-easy boring difficulty so that you can play it on the one it's actually balanced for
>rather than using saves (a function built into the game) sparingly
I could see doing this on certain maps you really like but nobody has the time and autism to do this for every single mapset; you're better off just playing a different or easier WAD and going back to it later.

>>6523726
Thanks anon, it's a blast. I see why people praise Plutonia now despite the difficulty. It feels a bit less designed on HMP but well, Dario said in that Doomworld interview that he would test the maps on hard so presumably medium was an afterthought. Guess I'll have to revisit it once I git gud.

Also, while I'm here. Guess I gotta plan for the next installment. What's the best way to play Doom 64 nowadays? Is getting the Steam version the best way to go nowadays? Are all those fancy lighting tricks gonna rape my performance on my craptop Optiplex?

>>6523791
the steam version of doom 64 is well programmed and a great way to play it, but there's no option for freelook and you don't get lots of fancy graphics options like in gzdoom or something. if that bothers you, play doom 64 EX, although imo it runs worse

>>6523798
steam d64 runs so well because it's on vulkan

>>6523803
someone explain why vulkan is better than openGL, I really don't get it

>>6523768
>keep dying
>piss easy
pick one

When watching videos of runs on vanilla-compatible WADs, would you rather watch videos of demos recorded using Chocolate Doom and played back using Chocolate Doom, or would you rather watch demos recorded in Crispy Doom and played back in Crispy Doom? PrBoomers and GZDoomers need not reply.

>>6523856
Crispy

>>6523856
elitists like you shouldn't talk unless they're playing doom off a floppy on their x86 system

>>6523845
Yes, skill 1-2 are piss easy, and even skill 3 can trivialize some maps depending on their design. You're neglecting a huge factor here - most wads are usually balanced around UV enemy placement unless otherwise mentioned in their textfile.

I can't really see the fun in grinding a map repetitively just to beat it on UV the "proper way" anyway unless you're doing it for a speedrunning competition, or again if you just really enjoy a specific mapset, but I'd rather experience more content the way in which it was balanced towards than meticulously grind out each level with little to no enemies.

>>6523891
What part of "need not reply" didn't you understand?

>>6523894
>even skill 3 can trivialize some maps
Not nearly as much as mid-level saves trivializes maps. You cannot argue that lower difficulties are too easy while simultaneously admitting you cannot beat them without saves.

>>6522719
Original Doom engine can too, it's just that no editor supported this trick so you hace to manually edit some stuff
The linguica portal

>>6522834
>refurbished laptop
Better buy a refurb PC
There are guides for getting a 200/300/400/500 bucj gaming rig, with 300/400/500 versions being able to run modern titles better than consoles

>>6523571
it doesent matter how much you save
only how much you load

I need a gif or just the sprites of Heskel's talking head from Ion Fury. Anyone happen to have or could tell me how to get them?

>>6523856
3DGE or GTFO

>>6524014
just open up the .grp file in SLADE and try to find the sprites

>>6524010
I thought about including a guide on doing that but I was assuming he didn't have the cash for it based on the " I chose a MAC for non gaming related reasons when choosing a laptop" line. If anything its a challenge to find a computer that cant play an oldschool shooter so why was he asking for a bootcamp option with a mac?

But yeah a refurbished prebuilt with at least a 2nd or 3rd gen i7 with a low profile 1650 or a used 1050 and you'll have a pretty damn competent PC. Just make sure to get a card with 4 gigs of vram as those 2 gig models are aging out fast.

>>6521867
>Actually being able to dodge enemy projectiles
This is the one main gripe I have with the old school shooters community. What's with the obsession with real projectiles and dodging them? Everybody complains about hitscan enemies. Not enough games have hitscan enemies and projectiles are too fucking slow. Learn to peek. Swear to god it's like you people have never played a BuildEngine game.

>>6523571
Used to save all the time in Blood. Always around 20 health no matter what so can't risk it.

>>6523804
It pumps out more frames than OpenGL because of it using the CPU more I think? Don't quote me on that but I think that's the gist of it.

Anybody know how to get Soldier of Fortune to run without the wasd getting all fucked up and out of sync?

>>6524065
Actually scratch that, it makes more draw callsto render objects thus reducing cpu load. Not super sure how it works but there you go.

>>6524049
Its because cover shooters get old after a while. With a modern game enemies are always shooting you in the face so "peeking" amounts to nothing more than trading bullets but your health comes back and theirs doesn't. Sometimes hitscan means 100% unavoidable unmitigatable damage. Duke Nukem isn't Halo and Blood isn't Call of Duty. Go play a modern shooter and there's frequently tons of enemies shooting nonstop at your location. In an oldschool shooter you have a window of opportunity to damage them without getting shot yourself. Or you have something like the holoduke, pipebombs, tnt, high damage instant kills weapons, the list goes on.

>>6524115
Last I checked the bulk of Bloods enemies were rapid fire hitscan that could down you in seconds.

>>6524124
learn to read

>>6524135
I read the whole thing the first time. Doesn't change anything about my comment. You might want to learn how to make a more focused point. You bring up Call of Duty and Halo out of nowhere and they add nothing to your comment. Who cares is the damage is unavoidable? This isn't a downside it's a legitimate obstacle you have to take into account.

Hi, this anon again
>>6519067
I've made sprites for the plasma gun and chaingun, going to take a week off on working on it though because I'm going on a trip. Heres the zip containing what I have done so far. I decided to skip doing an AR in favor of having doomchief hold a chaingun instead.

https://filebin.net/y946pzmzkza6rt0z

>>6524162
And screens for the plasma rifle

>>6524147
okay fine.
learn to comprehension

>>6524172
>learn to comprehension
Listen buddy, I don't think you're in a good position to talk down to people. Take a breath and try explaining yourself without pitching a fit.

>>6524179
>He still insists cod and blood are the same thing
lel

>>6524191
Never even implied any of that. You're the one who brought up modern shooters. I've only mentioned BuildEngine games and Blood.

>>6523379
>because to me it sounds like you weren't and you're about to commit those same mistakes
The difference is that those .wads would foist that storytelling upon the player whether they wanted to or not, often with """cutscenes""", Anon wants to make it an optional thing you have to activate, and presumably it would just dump a few strings of text which you could then drop down the console for to read them if you felt like it.

>>6524162
>>6524163
I know you're trying to mimic Halo, but these are all fucking gigantic.

I just played HDoom and it gave me a brown stain in my underwear.

>>6524202
Not that anon but I don't think too many people play these shooters for the story. Whether it be told environmentally or otherwise. They're shooting galleries. I just want good map design.

>>6524208
Should have waited a few years to release. Could have called it coom.

>>6524198
Lets put it this way. You're not worth the time and effort to type out some essay to explain the intricacies of how hitscanners work in Duke and Blood. Until you put in a good faith essay of your own I'm assuming you're just some dumbass.

>>6524207
They arent that much bigger than the vanilla sprites though?

Are there any WADs out there that have something similar to the Meathook from Eternal?

>>6524224
That chaingun takes up the entire screen.

>>6524219
Listen man when I tell you to calm down and take a breath I'm trying to prevent you from making a complete ass of yourself. You're acting all hotheaded thinking you're getting in some big argument when all I said was that I didn't get why the "retro shooter community" hated hitscan enemies when they play such a huge part in those shooters. They actively mod them out and complain about hitscan ambushes all the time. Not everything has to be a projectile. Not everything has to be dodgeable. I'm being sincere here when I say calm down and stop assuming things that I haven't even said. You're going to end up looking like a cringe sperg if you keep getting angry like this.

>>6524243
honest to god in the place hitscanners are the most brutal (blood) they are the most fun to play against

>>6524252
Yeah totally. Love the machine gun ambushes. They always give you a good way out with waist high walls and quick escape routes like the library at the train station.

>>6524207
XBOX HEUG

>>6524230
The regular chaingun is massive too, I aligned it so that the muzzle flash was in the same spot for both. Also, the plasma cooldown animation takes up half the screen too, idk man, I couldnt go any lower than that and still maintain the resolution I wanted.

>>6524268
>The regular chaingun is massive too
lol never used the chaingun unless I had to for specifically this reason. Not that anon but I wouldn't change anything with your sprites except move down the chaingun just slightly but that just my personal taste.

>>6523508
If you find a level particularly unbearable, don't feel too bad about saaay, noclipping towards the exit, because quality kind of mixes throughout, and even though the last third is weak, there's still good maps near the end.

>>6524073
Still really hoping somebody knows a fix for this. Play for long enough and all of a sudden you're hitting A and you're moving forwards and to the right.

>>6524010
>>6524039
There is no reason to buy a PC; any Intel Mac is going to run retro shooters with zero problem at all. For modern titles, look at eGPUs.

>>6524328
>There is no reason to buy a PC
Good luck getting that Mac repaired when the motherboard lights up.

>>6524328
>paying a big premium for a laptop with ridiculously inferior cooling
No thanks.

>>6524229
Seconding this. I'd love to see a doom wad that mimics eternals gameplay. Being able to take on rooms of enemies and hit scanners without needing to corner peek would be amazing. I know theres D4D, but that's old news at this point.

>>6524335
yeah like your alibaba chinktrash is gonna last a month, right?
>>6524358
poorfag cope.

Also he already owns a Mac you massive fucking retards

>>6524073
I played with the SOF Plus patch and never encountered such a thing.

>>6524523
>"It's exclusive shit!"
LMAO, I'll enjoy my 'poorfag cope' machine that has better performance across the board for a lower price, and you do you, I'm sure your machine looks very fashionable as it slowly cooks itself to death.

>>6524532
Thanks. Getting this right now.

>>6523568
export plugin here: https://bitbucket.org/khreathor/mdl-for-blender
a-z guide here: https://pnahratow.github.io/creating-models-for-quake-1.html
older guide, but useful info (+rest of the blog): https://tomeofpreach.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/a-modelling-pipeline/

how the fuck do i look at the server info when i start a multiplayer game in ezquake

>>6524162
>>6524163
>>6524207
Gigantic AND ugly.
If you are ripping shit from the game at least do it properly, there are guides for that you know

>>6524523
nobody buys or talks alibaba chinktrash other than youtube cumguzzlers
Used PCs with 3-4 year old hardware get cheap fast, and still perform better than brand new Mac or a console.

>>6524523
>ur poor lol
Jesus, you mongoloids have been using the same weak comebacks for literal decades now.

anybody know how I can fix this? I switched from hardware acceleration to true colour sw renderer and the blood decals on floors sperged out.

is there another way to get the retro pixelated effect on textures overall in gzdoom?

>>6518853
>>6518854
>>6521680
man i loved 90s lemonfics! post moar lore!

>>6524660
nevermind. I'm retarded. I just turned filter mode off.

>>6521523
also better than Hexen imo.

>>6524574
use a server tracker site or some shit cus thats how these games work anymore

>>>/wsg/3513241

That's another gun down. I wish I could just post webms with sound here, so just have this relevant gif to go with the link.

>>6524217
HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

I can't stop grinding Scythe E1 UV-Fast. I brought my time down to 18:55 using a route I came up with myself just by playing, then I looked at the world record (13:57 by 4shockblast) and learned a ton of ways I can reduce my time further, like using the chainsaw throughout map 01 instead of the pistol, punching out pinkies on EVERY map that has berserk, and some minor pathing improvements like going straight for the switch on map 05 instead of attacking the explosive barrels first. All of this started because I began posting demos to youtube of PWADs that lacked gameplay videos, but now I can't stop trying to perfect my runs so that I'm not wasting the viewers time with mediocre runs. I'm never going to get to play any new PWADs because I'm going to spend over a month on each PWAD that I am replaying. At least I'm having a lot of fun doing it.
send help

>>6524621
>there are guides for that you know
I mean great, I'd still like to think they look alright coming from someone who's never done anything with gimp or sprite art or slade before. If youd tell me what you dont like about it, I'd appreciate the criticism so I can improve.

>>6525017
They do take up way too much screen space. I like how the chaingun looks but I'd have to see it in action to make sure the firing doesn't look janky. Maybe cut off the bottom half or third of the sprites. For comparison, the Doom chaingun barely peeks over the status bar sometimes because of the weapon sway. Also no excuse for the plasma cooldown occupying the entire screen. That one definitely cut in half.

does anyone have a batch file for launching Doom 64? It requires a custom sound front called Doomsnd which has to be manually changed in game every time you switch between 64 and other wads, does anyone have a way to automate this?