/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6513314
>battle combo system is actually fun
but that's wrong
>minigames like the fighting one are fun
but that's wrong
>interesting pathing through the world
but that's wrong

>>6513314
shit game is shit...AND racist.

>>6513327
>I can't have fun so things are bad
sad

I've said it many times but I'll say it again. Great idea(s), terrible execution.

>>6513314
just be warned you can't talk about Xenogears here because there are like 3 people here that just shit on and spam up every thread about it.
>>6513327
>>6513338
well, speak of the devil. right on cue
also, posting this pic again so it can trigger the autist.

>>6513390
Racist game is racist.

>>6513314
What did FF7 do to you that you would run to Xenogears like that? Just wait until you get to disc 2

>>6513390
What's triggering about it?
>>6513338
>>6513394
What's racist about it?

>>6513406
Its doctrine is borrowed strongly from Gnosticism as promoted by Blavatsky and NSDAP.

>>6513421
>nazis
>gnostic
lmfao
most nazis were roman catholic with a few neopagan larpers like himmler.

>>6513421
>gnosticism is racist

>>6513430
>>6513434
Game is still shit and only one person of color...well, robot.

>>6513457
>only one person of color
they're all Asian tho

>>6513460
That look like whites, wait, that's all anime

>>6513314
FF7 pisses all over this pretentious shit and FF7 is a 7/10 at best

>>6513421
Gnosticism existed 2000 years before nazism you dumb fuck

also fuck niggers and fuck jews

>>6513503
As much as I can't stand the remake, this is truth.

>>6513505
And looks like it didn't get any smarter boi.

>>6513314
Yes, the psx is the, THE jrpg console.

Enjoy it. People even make jrpg torrent collections and they generally include that game. Doesn't Lucca from Chrono Trigger even show up in that game if I recall? It's nice. They got the 3d right in that too. FF7 is retarded not using sprites at an angle the way Xenogears did while using the polygons on the buildings instead. Bakas. They may as well have made 7 on the snes.

>>6513338
>>6513394
>>6513406
Racism isn't real. Use real words.

>>6513542
>Doesn't Lucca from Chrono Trigger
Considering it was to be CT 2.
>They may as well have made 7
This as well.

>>6513546
Kusoge

>>6513551
>>bad game in japanese

Culture shock is real. A breed of man has his own culture due to varying genes. Calling the pragmatic judgmental behaviors that result form statistical evidence racism is fully retarded. To make good strategic decisions you use wisdom. To say racism is bad is to say wisdom is bad. Tolerance is degradation. You've been duped.

Don't go onto 4chan and bleat a heap of bullshit. We're free thinkers here.

>>6513551
Mixing cultures creates culture shock. People are blatantly not equal. Blacks are 52.5 percent of usa murders yet 12.5 percent of the population. They don't belong but the usa wanted to keep it's slaves on the chain gang even after the slavery 'stopped'. What's it mean that they break the law and are great at violent sports? That we're not equal. We being mixed together creates civil unrest. Don't believe it? Just look up the data or even the current revolts. We can't stand one another due to incompatible personality types.

Then there's the other races being equally incompatible, but no one wants to hear about how autstically intelligent orientals are nor how deviously manipulative the jewish are.

>>6513561
>>6513567
Noooo, nature and objective truth are raciist, sexist and facist. There, I win the argument.

>>6513570
The words racism means bigotry not truth, ergo the word racist in practice betrays itself.

>>6513570
It does so due to willful ignorance on the tolerant man's part.

>>6513561
Freely think Xenogears is shit.

>>6513503
The difference is this game is actually fun to play. Comboing somebody with a giant mech is never not satisfying.
Meanwhile in FFVII I get to spam fira and wait for the boring standing wind up animation for the thousandth time.

>>6513764
>Comboing somebody with a giant mech is never not satisfying
Unless you mean spamming aerods the gear battles were not only boring but also incredibly one sided massacres

>>6513503
Name what you think is a 10/10 I dare you.

>>6513789
>also incredibly one sided massacres
That's an over-exaggeration, and even then, are you implying that any of the story fights in FFVII present a challenge?

>>6513314
You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with FFVII.

>>6514004
It's a somewhat similar game that went on to have an inordinately greater amount of success and exposure despite being worse in most aspects.
I even read that the plot for this game was originally intended to be the plot for FFVII before being scrapped because it would be too complicated for wider audiences to follow.

>>6513457
Non-blacks make such games with stars in their eyes over wanting to be white. There doesn't need to be single black. The Japanese were always aware, most orientals are, of what genes are, and beauty.

>>6514017
Based

>>6513314
I grew up in a fucked up, rapey / abusive household and it gave me all kind of personality problems like BPD and schizoid personality disorder. I played Xenogears at random, I thought the mechs looked neat. For some reason it really resonated with me. When I was 30 and got all these stupid diagnosis, I tried to find some silver lining but mostly just found a bunch of suicidal people and abusive people. It turns out the second half of the creative team who wrote Xenogears also suffers from BPD. I replay Xenogears every few years and playing it now that I know more about myself and about the female writer who worked on it, I can see that the themes of abusive and abandonment in the game are the reasons it stands out as one of my favorite JRPGs of all time. Not my blog, etc, I just have a really close connection to it and when I play it, I can feel that self sabotage victim complex she suffers from, it took many years of therapy to peel that back.

Anyway, I love Xenogears. My favorite characters are Miang and Ramsus. I feel like he's a good example of how no one feels like they're the villain when they're passionate and his struggle for power to meet his ego's expectation was drop fed in really well. Citan was also a good character. The music box scene always gives me goose bumps, always sets up that 60 hours of gameplay. If I'm honest, the game is pretty pretentious and tries too hard to cover too many complex issues, but I still love it. I preordered the Xeno game on PS2 and 100% thought it was a sequel until I sat down to play it after waiting a year for it, I was so heart broken.

>>6514328
I really hate that picture.

>>6513327
God you are such a fucking cunt.
I hate neo tranny v so fucking much.

>>6514396
wow it's like you're a cuck and they also made you hate your girlfriend

>>6513764
Combos in Xenogears is fucking shit. You grind to unlock one, use that, grind to unlock another, use that, grind to unlock another, use that. Materia combinations are not that complex and even that has more complexities than Xenogear’s shitty combat systems. Mecha fights are even worse.

>>6513791
Final Fantasy IX, Chrono Trigger, Ys I & II, Suidoken II, Parasite Eve

>>6514328
Why does this board have so many fucked up schizoids?

>>6513327
First post best post basado put xenofags in their right spot.

>>6513892
Story? Nope
Some mobs have interesting fights like Malboros or the groups of frogs

>>6513314
You seem to have a massive hate boner for FF7 but what you fail to realise is why it was so popular. In short, it was just made a lot better. It’s a smoother, more concise game. It’s consistent all the way through with little to no annoying or frustrating sections (Kislev, anyone?) and with characters while not massively deep are written decently enough to be relevant the entire story.

Xenogears has bigger ‘themes’ but shits the bed executing them. There are only two important main characters, maybe three, the rest have little arcs that, when resolved, are then dropped from the story all together. The battle system is far less interesting and just a bunch of button mashing. If the combos had different effects/uses then they would be really interesting, instead you’re just using one powered attack then the one more powerful than that and so on. Even something as simple as different elemental damage is left really far into the game, whilst it’s there in FF7 from the get go.

The minigames are the same as any other JRPG at the time, standard, boring and annoying. The way you describe the story as being ‘subversive’ makes it sound you’ve never played a game where the story is anything other than ‘good vs evil’. It’s very average, stuffed with irrelevant religious symbolism at the expense of true philosophical ideas, and using Jungian id types in the most basic and obvious ways.

Xenogears is a great game for someone who has never read a book, or finds the Marvel films engaging, i.e. 15 years old which was it’s target audience at the time, but for those with us with interests outside of vidya it’s laughably infantile in it’s execution and thoughts. FF7, while not a deep story, is much more intimate, concise, memorable and just loved more in general precisely because of that. There’s a reason The Old Man and the Sea is still more well regarded than Infinite Jest.

>>6514515
I think it's because the world is awful and abusive people create broken people who just want something familiar in an increasingly alien environment. I like some new games but I prefer old ones before shit got all woke. To be fair, I didn't ask for this shit and it's ruined my life, at least I can compare notes with my fellow anons about the good days.

>>6514558
Hope you’re holding up alright, anon; we love you

>>6513314
and yet you never see xenogears brought up as a benchmark for anything while all you've done is compare it to FF7

>>6514547
well said. FF7 is not the best game of all time or even the best final fantasy but it's an incredibly important one that quite literally moved the genre forward. the environments felt novel and exciting and took full advantage of the jump to 3D. the gameplay innovations were solid and the materia system built on previous systems and allowed for almost full fluidity. cloud's entire character being a bait and switch into a meta-commentary on the hero is brilliant and his scenes still have impact. but even then it's not as if the party is shafted for him to get screentime - there is balance.

xenogears on the other hand doesn't have the same mark of quality. the game has a reputation for being "deep" but it lacks thematic clarity and relies on namedrops, references and tropes more than anything. it certainly has its moments, fei's trauma after having razed the village that took him in, billy attempting to find the meaning of faith, etc, yet these are quickly forgotten when the game descends into the edgy or outright nonsensical. the whole situation with Id, the onions system, killian's entire character arc are all examples of this; xenogears simply tries to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks, as if the writer simply thought dogpiling "mature" plot elements on top of each other would work, and yet it doesn't. the illusion of 'political discourse' is quickly dropped in the later stages in the game when the narrative tunnel visions into big bad solaris being behind everything while aveh and kislev are basically written into being non-entities with no free will of their own; a masterclass in poor worldbuilding.

maybe this would be okay if the gameplay were good but it really isn't. the battle system is fun but can get repetitive after a while. the dungeon designs are some of the worst in jrpg history, unnecessarily long with an annoying encounter rate and worst of all, the genius idea of putting in fucking platforming.

>>6514650
I admit you have a lot of fair points but I feel like you're exaggerating them. You didn't even mention the disparity between disc 1 and 2. Even though you seem to know about the game, it might be that maybe you've never played it and just have some talking points in your pocket.

I don't get why we can't like both, I think both are good. I just liked Xenogears because it had stuff that connected with me subconsciously.

>>6514671
i've played it. i actually enjoyed it for a while in disc 1 before all hell broke loose and things went to shit. i actually have more problems with the gameplay and atrocious dungeons than i do the story. and of course you can like both games, i only brought up FF7 because OP did.

>>6513546
All words are made up, my dude. That's how language works.

>>6514017
>>6514025
On your knees faggots, it where you are gonna be soon anyways. Your game is still shit.

>>6513434
>>6513406
Are you guys actually stupid enough to think you are responding to someone who is being serious, or do you just like pretending to be?

>>6514513
Parasite eve isn't evne a game so much as a novel and a ripoff of resident evil and only chrono trigger is a ten of ten, but also pretty lame as dbz or dragon ball is lame, out of that list. The others are just okayish as xenogears is okayish.

Putting any ff above 7 just proves you're retarded.

From your taste I can tell you just hate mature, dark, themes. That's your fucking problem you little sissy faggot. Infant.

>>6514513
Infantile games due to how babyish they look and for how eve is a female character. Not literlaly infantile taste but I see that you have this anti-masculine taste, why I call you a sissy, just to be clear.

>>6514707
Racsim means bigoted hatred of someone for no reason logically but today's tolerant people are willfully ignorant to statistics on racial issues showing what is now called racism to simply be truth and wise behaviors So it's part of broken english. A buzzword with no real meaning.

>>6514758
>>6514760
Name one (1) masculine game you enjoy

>>6514758
>>6514760
What's wrong with being a sissy, anon?

>>6513314
>>battle combo system is actually fun unlike boring materia spam system in FFVII
Wrong its actually one of the worst battle systems i can think of. You just either spam the highest damaging deathblow you have if you need to kill something, or use random buttons if you are trying to learn a new deathblow. Theres no reason to ever use any deathblow besides the best one you have, and the only way to learn new deathblows is by using non-deathblow attacks a certain amount of times.
>>minigames like the fighting one are fun unlike shitty snowboarding in FFVII
Sure
>>characters and plot are constantly subversive (e.g expect Ramsus to be typical god-like ruthless villain misusing his power but it turns out he actually is very kind to imprisoned Margie, rightfully treats Shakhan like the worthless puppet he is and the first time you see him in a gear he's getting his shit kicked in by the protag)
Dont worry, the typical god-like ruthless villain shows up later. Along with every other anime trope you can think of. Ramsus is actually the typical 'honorable' villain
>>characters all have have subtle hints of personality that aren't tropey or shoved in your face (Fei is kind but naive, Citan is genuinely resourceful and composed, Bart is self-doubting but hotheaded etc.), with believable motives
They are ultimate bog standard anime characters.
>>plot is complicated with several strands set-up of political discourse not just hurr let's chase Sephiroth because bad, and is way more ambitious in its scope than most games
The only politics i can think of boil down to "Solaris bad". None of the other towns problems matter once you leave the town
>>good soundtrack
Yes
>>interesting pathing through the world unlike FFVII which shits the bed after you leave Midgar just going through a dot-to-dot of towns
Its exactly the same setup as ff7, there is no real exploration
>>sprites look amazing along with the animations unlike FFVII's lego models and stunted animations
Sure

>>6514736
Xenofags are cultish in their love for it.

>>6513390
To be fair I thought Xenogears was pretty disappointing but almost never post about it. It has promise but just dropped the ball too many times. I don't regret playing it but all these years later have never had any interest in revisiting it.

>>6513576
>>6513546
The word racism refers to bigotry specifically centered around ethnicity. It's probably confusing for you because you're a racist bigot and hate having to face your own moral failings.

>>6515505
Xenogears is a religious experience.

>>6515528
Solaris ate people

>>6515537
>deflecting

>>6514881
>Theres no reason to ever use any deathblow besides the best one you have
except for all the ones that do elemental damage right

>>6515541
Defecating? Yes, this game works as a wonderful anti constipation -sol/remedy

>>6515528
The word racism was invented by a war mongering egotist that liked to ride into battle to kill his own people just so he could not send them back to Africa later and let the south keep them on the chain gang.

Morality is relative. The only people that fail at understanding morals are those with morals also. You have to be blatantly biased to have morals. Having morals invents evil itself, before then it's all just nature being natural.

>>6516043
Xenogears is an affront to nature.
>>6515536
So is getting high off fumes of shit

>>6514328
>the themes of abusive and abandonment in the game are the reasons it stands out as one of my favorite JRPGs of all time
It's literally Evangelion. Nothing original about it.

>>6517317
what the fuck are you talking about?
xenogears has nothing to do with evangelion lol
when was shinji tortured by a biological being created by a computer with the objective of resurrecting a terraforming machine?
remember shinji being a schizo with multiple personalities and genetic imprinted memories of living diferent lives in diferent ages?

you're fucking retarded

>>6517331
Calm the fuck down. I'm still playing the game and you hoarded me with a torrent of spoiler. Chill out. I just said the themes of the game are the sames of Evangelion, and there also others elements similars to the anime.

>>6517331
>It's literally Evangelion. Nothing original about it.
as someone who played Xenogears long before ever watching Evangelion or knowing what it was, they are only superficially similar. There are some visual allusions but that is all.

and that's how I can tell you are an autist. your brain is forced to immediately bucket everything, and once it goes into a bucket you get stuck there.

>>6517317
I know, I love Evangelion too. I even own it on LaserDisc. I have a little Eva shrine, I wish Xenogears got more merch. Pardon the big ass bag of bandages, I went a little nuts with medical stuff due to coronavirus, I had to be ready in case someone's arm got chopped off and fell off a motorcycle doing 90.

Also, I wouldn't really say they're similar in detail, more like thematically.

>>6517340
shiet
i'm sorry dude

>>6515536
Is This an Evangelion Reference?

>>6517378
>Axe dehodorant
I can tell you are a virgin

>>6517580
I'm exempt, it's the chocolate scent. It's based. Plus that can is about 9 years old, I got it from behind my dryer.

>>6517317
Macross and Gundam too.

>>6517684
>>6517580
The year I switched to axe essence was 2007, back when a dragon and unicorn were on it. It was the year I lost my virginity, aged 17.

It's ok

saged and downdooted

>>6513314
After hearing how great the game is for the past 20+ years, I finally decided to give it a shot about two months ago.

After 25 hours in, I had to quit. The slow dialog speed was unbearable, so I found a gameshark code to speed that up. Much better.

But the loading times everywhere started to get to me. And the battles were super slow.

I wanted the story to really pick up, but even after 25 hours it felt like it was barely picking up speed. I had to put the game down and walk away.

The soundtrack is nice and sprite work is fantastic. I feel if I had played it at release I'd be a fan of the game... but in modern times I don't feel this has held up well. =(

>>6519547
You can speed the text up by button mashing. 25 hours is about 1/3 of the game if it's your first time. The battles are fast compared to all jrpg on PS1. You should play it to the end and then post your review. I'm not calling you a bullshitter or a slider, I'm just saying, this game is very unique and you should stop letting the little things bother you, especially the things you said, because they're wrong.

>>6519547
Did yourself a favor anon! This game is cultitic pap.

reported and saged 3

>>6519547
I'm about 20 hours in, just got past the Goliath segment after Kislev and I think the story is great.
>barely picking up speed
There's exciting stuff happening constantly from the start and a lot of intrigue built up along the way. The village segment, then the desert encounter with Grahf, rescuing Margie, the assault on Aveh. Not sure what you're reading but the story is one of the few I've played in a game that really hooks the player and keeps them hooked with constant subversion, intrigue and excitement.
The only real slow part so far has been the Nissan segment but that's meant to be slow considering it gives the player a nice break between the action-y Bledavik/Aveh segments.

reported and saged let me bump off my last remaining comment on this website and then I will stop posting forever

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jarpigs are boring *yawn*

I'm skeptical of these claims.
What recent jarpigs are you comparing it against?

>>6521745
for people looking for the answers to life itself it seems shallow because they think it's being philosophical instead of an aesthetic anime trainride

like star wars is not good because of it's plot

star wars's plot is just like a shittier king arthur legend with no historical relevancy

xenogears then, is at least a scathing criticism of the bullshit idea that technology or intellect or power can lead to any sort of prosperity if we don't fix the problem of ourselves and how we relate to each other

it's very pastiche and i am very smart :^)

>>6524471
I just did the Stein/Ethos segment and I like the game even more now.
How many games do you see that dare and manage to paint an alcohlic walk-out father in a good light? How many games do you see that bring up male prostitution and rampant paedo rings in religious institutions? The Ethos being a front for Solaris to manipulate the surface-dwellers was also a great way to present the idea of religious organization as a primarily manipulative construct painted as charity/God-serving. Jessie as a whole is a great character and is basically Auron from FF but with an actual personality that isn't being a walking bland edgy cardboard cutout.

>>6521745
>>6524471
>>6524937
Shills for shit

>>6513314
Boring game that requires hundreds of hours of grinding. But perfect for hipsters that like the smell of their own farts.

>>6525923
If you have to grind to get through the main story of a JRPG, you're playing them badly.

>>6525980
But the main story is the grind initself.