/vr/ - Retro Games

Whats a good crt computer monitor to get?

REPORTING IN

you can easily pick up a new TV for free on craigslist

>>636657
That thing is a POS model with only coax input

>>636668
Of course it will probably be a junk model since 85% of CRTs have just coaxial or composite inputs

>>636665
Trinitron ones

>>636805
>implying all Trinitrons were good
Hint: Sony had plenty of low-end Chinese-made models with shit convergence and whatnot

>>636686
Do you play old video games for photorealism

Taking pictures is hard

>>636890
Oh man, I remember when everything had wooden panelling. You need to hook an Atari up to that to complete the image.

>>636914
I don't have one. Came back from uni and my parents had given away my snes, ps, and genesis. All I have as far as retro goes now is a clone NES and this N64.

I love this TV, noise is a pretty big issue for it though. It's noticeable on black backgrounds.

>>636931
>my parents had given away my
Do not get me started on MY PARENTS!
>Step dad [56] thinks iPad can do more then ANY COMPUTER and is better in ALL WAYS
>Mom [50] does not know anything and goes with whatever stepdad pulls out of his ass
>They have 2 of every apple thing
>'Normal people only have 1 TV..You do not need 3. Think about other people that do not have one..' My mom once said to me

That is the tip of what they have said/did.

>>636973
This is slowly happening to my family too. My brother is only 26 and he already stopped using his windows machines because "his ipad is faster"

>>636973
>MY PARENTS!
>square brackets

>>636657
I have the same tv I use with my SNES on the coax. It sucks that there's no av input cause im hooking up a SNES to nes adapter through a coax to av box. The box sucks though and adds lines and a buzzing noise.

tl;dr can anyone recommend good a coax to av splitter?

>>636983
>Some days before birthday in FEB 2013
>Stepdad and I walking in a mall [holding hands]
>He guides me to the cookie shop
>I nom on a cookie and drink me sip sip
>We walk as gay as can be to the apple store
>BLUE SMURFS ERRWHERE
>'Ready to find something?' He whispers in my ear
>'I AM NOT DONE WITH MY SIP SIP!!' I shout
>Smurfs hear me
>'Is there a problemo?' The smurf says
>'Am trying to find something hip for my son.' Stepdad says
>I bet you LOVE apple!' Smurf says to me
>'I am a windows person.' I moan to him
>We leave store as sad as we can

>>636657

You should get a PVM/megaview/equivalent RGB monitor if possible.

Ask your doctor/dentist if he has a PVM lying around, I got mine for free this way.

They were also sold to people in broadcast, if you know any news reporters or anything like that.

sold my Super Nintendo, so I have to play SMW and ALTTP on that filthy virtual console
I feel dirty and violated every time I have to do that

>>637047
This, my older sister worked at a dentist office to get a reference for whatever post grad school and that's how I got my PVM.

>>637051
go to bed dude

>>637059
I'd let your sister inspect my mouth

How can I fix blurry and discolored parts of my CRT? It's mostly around the edges. The built-in degauss when I turn it off hasn't helped much.

>>637061
It is only 4:29PM EST.
I go to bed around 3AM EST.

>>637078
what are you sip sipping

>>637063
I've just been #rekt

>>637083
My dink was a coke.

>>637067
get a degaussing coil

>>637067
I had a TV with a purple corner and a green corner. I took it to a repair shop (this is sometime around 1998) and it was easy to tell that the guys were laughing at me. They didn't explain much, but they said that it would be cheaper to buy a new TV than to fix it, because it was some important component that was bad.

Take that as you will, could be they were just idiots. But that was 15 years ago, I doubt it's gotten any cheaper to fix old TVs with parts becoming more rare.

>>637096
Aren't those expensive?

>>637097
It's rather slight discoloration, I don't know if it can't be fixed.

>>636983
this makes me shiver, I'm 27 and this could have be me.
he only apple product I own is this pain-in-the-ass-to-use Ipod in MGS4

My Grundig sometimes get faulty contacts on the peritel port. But shaking the outlet often fix it for about six month.

>>637097
>1998
>15Y ago

>>637108
>he only apple product I own is this pain-in-the-ass-to-use Ipod in MGS4

Hah.

>>637109
is this where they filmed rocket power

>>637105
Not really they should only be around $20-40 dollars now but with how cheap you can get CRTs (free) I wouldn't bother with it

>>637137
It's a good 27" Trinitron. I'd say it's worth fixing.

Anyone has his computer plugged via RGB to a CRT TV.
What graphic card can be good for such thing???
My main problem with emulators is deal with a LCD screen.
CRT PC monitors is not exactly the same experience you get with a TV.

>>637161
My video card doesn't have S-video out, so I went ahead and picked this up. Converts VGA to composite or S-video.

http://www.amazon.com/Videosecu-Converter-Computer-Composite-Switcher/dp/B000X3FAJU

The desktop looks like shit, as expected. It's nice for emulators, though.

>>637182
I have this exact same thing, except I bought it from deal extreme. It's a pain in the ass to setup everytime, it doesn't save zoom/scroll options

>>637189
I've never had to fuck with the settings

>>636890
Sexy

>>637182
How well does this work at low resolutions?

>>637203
My TV always fucks up with it. I have to move the picture a bit to the right and them increase the height of the image a bit to fill the screen. It takes about 2 minutes, but its a pain

>>637203
My TV always fucks up with it. I have to move the picture a bit to the right and them increase the height of the image a bit to fill the screen. It takes about 2 minutes to plug the cables and then do this, but its a pain to do that everytime

>>637215
>>637218
goddamnit 4chan

>>637210 It only runs at 800x600

>>637218
You COULD get a wall outlet to 5v usb adapter and leave it powered on 24/7. Those aren't that cheap or anything, though

>Get a PVM back in November
>Used it everyday since
>Dig out my old CRT to test something
>Holy shit I forgot how bad it looked
The difference in quality is like night and day. Goddamn.

>>637210
My video card only lets me output as low as 800x600 for whatever reason, but aside from desktop text being illegible it isn't that big a deal.

Accuracyfags would laugh at me, but I would find it hard to differentiate say a NES game through an emulator and this converter, from an actual NES. It looks good.

>>637229
Where'd you get it?

>>637237
eBay. Got it for $100 shipped.

>>637249
That looks great. How much better would you say it is when compared to a Trinitron TV (one of the better ones)?

>>637249
My dick.

>>637253
Hard to say. I've heard that some Trinitrons are quite nice, but I don't know if I could really give a comparison. For what it's worth, my older CRT is some shitty Philips with crazy warping issues.

>>637249
I wish I had the balls to do that but I have no idea what is good and what is shit

I have a Sony Triniton monitor which only has VGA input. Is it worth finding an adapter to plug something like my Genesis up to it?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-PVM-14N6U-14-Trinitron-Color-Video-Monitor-/140972785197?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20d2a1fe2d

Is this one of those legendary PVMs you guys talk about?

>>637290
If it only has one VGA input, I would bet money that it can't display an interlaced signal. You'd probably have to spend lots of money on a scaler to make that work.

>>637303
>14 inches

This makes me wonder how big this guy's is >>637249

>>637223

Took a picture. You can see its scaled baddly in the bottom there, but I can fix that just pressing on the scale button two times. The picture is amazing.

>>637320
14 inches is fine unless you want to get comfy on the couch or something.

>>637287
The PVM-20M2MDU is what I have, and I love it. Pretty sure KyaDash also has the same model. Prices for them on ebay generally aren't too bad. I bought mine from a seller called Tekyard Medical, but it seems that they don't have anymore for sale, or else you could've scored one for less than $100 shipped.

>>637321
And the emulator's border are visible, I had to make it fullscreen but was too lazy for that

>>637351
Retroarch lets you specify a monitor index for fullscreen, making it trivial to have fullscreen work on a TV properly

>>637320
20 inches.

>>637345
>>637359
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-PVM-20M2-MDU-20-Professional-Color-Video-Monitor-/170590497527?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27b7fc6af7#shId

>$90
>$135 shipping

I hate ebay

>>637374
Watch craiglists for a trinitron TV. You can get those for $40 or less.

Finished replaying Earthbound today.

>>637051
>>Stepdad and I walking in a mall [holding hands]

And this was the most normal part of this story

>>637345
Same one exactly.
Got mine for $90 shipped.

I've still yet to get any SCART cables, or the BNC breakout cable though...

>>636885
>what is manual mode?

>>637887
I think i told you or someone one time that once I get my PVM and make my breakout cable I'll send you one.

>>638182
Yeah, I remember.

Still, until I get appropriate SCART cables, a breakout cable really wouldn't do much for me.

I'll probably go about ordering them in a few weeks.

>>638170
Getting good pictures of CRTs can be rather difficult.

It's a shame that CRTs only usually last 9 years of use, especially considering even the newer CRTs are at least 6 years old.

>>638226
>CRTs only usually last 9 years of use
Where in the fuck did you pull that number from?

Both of these are 15 years old and still going strong.

>>638241
9 years of use, as in 9 years of time being on. 78000 hours is the expected lifespan of a CRT.

Went and took some new pictures.

SNES with s-video. Finally got a SCART to BNC cable, but haven't gotten around to buying an RGB cable for my SNES yet.

S-video still looks pretty great though.

>>638254
There are still working CRTs from the 60s and 70's.

My mother has been using the same CRT for the last 20 years, and aside from the power button breaking, it hasn't shown much in way of wear.

>>637229
Now hook it up to a LCD to see if your eyes will bleed.

Saturn through RGB.

God damn, the menus and title screen in Burning Rangers look so slick.

>>638270
That looks terrible, but it's probably the game and not the TV.

>>638276
Does Burning Rangers get better as it goes on? Played through the level after the tutorial yesterday and it was not clicking with me. Game is not bad but it just did not hold my interest unlike most Sega games.

>>638281
Yeah, FF7 really didn't like having it's picture taken.

I think texture filtering is also off, so it could be that too.

>>638283
The missions get more interesting, yeah. The game gets better as it stops holding your hand. Except fucking underwater controls are total shit, good thing you don't have to deal with that often. The game hasn't aged too well though, so it's not a surprise to see that some people can't get into it.

>>638293
Damn, that's crazy curvature

>>638315
>The game hasn't aged too well though,

I never had an issue with games aging. Hell I usually prefer older standards over the newer ones because it is what I am used to. Just during the first missions I expected more than what I got. I will give it another go and play like five or six levels before I have a definite opinion on it. Just wanted to make sure it spices some things up as it goes on.

The 3D that the Saturn was capable of looked pretty funny most of the time.

>>638331
It's partially from the game itself.

Here's some Battle Garegga.

>>638334
When I say aged, I mean more along the lines that Burning Rangers has a pretty low framerate most of the time, and the addition of an analog stick for camera controls would've benefited the game greatly. It still plays relatively well, but it feels like a game that would've been so much better if it had been made for a more powerful system.

Any opinions on this? Wouldn't get THIS particular (ridiculous shipping ahoy), but looks like a decent alternative model.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-PVM-20M2U-20in-Color-Video-Monitor-/380635674642

>Trinitron color production monitor features over 600TVL resolution. Dark tint CRT with P22 phosphors. Knob type controls for easy setup, menu driven CPU with on screen display (OSD). Accepts NTSC, NTSC (4.43), PAL, SECAM in Composite, Y/C and RGB and Y/R-Y/B-Y formats. Pulse cross, underscan, 16:9, remote and tally. EIA rack mountable, metal cabinet.

muh scanlinez!

There's a 25-28ish" Sony Trinitron on the curb I passed earlier. Are they actually worth snagging? Looks heavy as hell, but if its worth it ...

>>638504
Somebody else probably got it already

>>638504
Only if it's a pvm or bvm

>>638558
Consumer grade Trinitrons are perfectly fine.

>>638504
See if it has S-Video or Component inputs.

If so, go for it.

>>638394
If it has RGB, then fuck yes, go for it. PVMs are the greatest

>>638558

how do you tell?

this is all fairly new to me

>>638241
He probably get's number from CRT MBTF being 30-50K hour mbtf. Which is ~10-17 years. Some of course come in less.
It's not an issue of how old the thing is always, but how often it's used. Of course, repairing it can expand it's lifetime.

>>638571
http://sarasota.craigslist.org/ele/3789281970.html

So something like that is decent?

>>640395
Find out what inputs it has.

Assuming S-Video or component, it'd do the job well.

/vr/ I implore your assistance. I've been trying to get TV-out to work on my old NEI Crt only to be met by a monochrome output.

After reading for far too long it seems like this is quite a common issue so I'm hoping somebody here may be able to shed some light on it.

I'm using an Nvidia 8800GTS with an S-video > Scart connection. As far as I can tell neither the cables, connectors nor hardware themselves are damaged and all function perfectly independent of one another. I'm also using the latest drivers, older drivers have reported to fix this issue but doing so would likely crash anything I'd care to run.

Again any information given I'll happily accept, my present monitor is slowly blinding me and a CRT tv despite the bollocking my peers will give me is my weapon of choice.

I'm looking at craigslist and I see a few trinitron tvs, one is a trinitron XBR for $15... Don't even know what an XBR is? Better than a regular trinitron TV?

>>639210
>Of course, repairing it can expand it's lifetime

>repairing it

When the electron guns go bad, that's it. That CRT is finished.

>>637229

I never got a bad CRT in my life, even the cheap ones weren't that bad (I had 3 in my life: a 2 Sony Trinitron, 1 from late the 80's to 1999~2000, died for some unknown reason, the second is from the mid 1990 but I bought used almost 7 month ago, and an unknown German brand, since 2000 to 2010). Do you know that when you store your TV in improper locations, the image quality suffer from this?

>Refuse to buy a tv specifically for /vr/ unless I BVM-20F1U
>Have problems with paypal and can't use ebay
>Will forever play Genesis games on hdtv
If ever that "first world problems" meme were acceptable and applicable it would be for my problem.

Found a Sony PVM-14L1 for $45 on craigslist. Good deal???

>>641924
Forgot to mention they're 13'

>>641924

Just see if it has an RGB/Component input. If it doesn't, don't waste your money. Also, if you see a consumer grade TV with RGB input, you could try it too.

>>638270
I still have my parents' old trinitron. It's probably 20 years old now. It was repaired once, and now I'm afraid it's slowly dying again. Every time I turn it on, it takes like a minute for the image to come up. Oh, man, I don't want to say goodbye to it!

This one is the best...

>>642823
It would be really helpful if you told us what model it is, also ending sentences with ellipses is middle-school tier writing ability. Also, don't put anything in the email or subject field unless you're starting a thread or are in a BST thread or something similar and the email is relevant. Thanks for helping the board be less shit.

>>642001

I bet it's just a capacitor problem. Most of the time, when a TV get old, it's because of the capacitors.

>>642864
Really? So it can be fixed?

>>642842
...read the email field...

>>642895

Most of the time, yes. But don't intend to do it yourself if you don't know how to discharge you TV.

>>642951
And straight to the ad-hominem attacks. Bravo, you've attacked his sexuality directly for citing a lack of useful information and grammatical oddities.

>>636667
I think I have that same TV. Haven't used it in years, though, and I don't currently have a proper entertainment center to put it on. Last time I did anything even remotely vidya with it was this: (image related)

>>643039
I love everything about this image...

>>643018
Mainly because amateur mistakes when working with cathode ray tubes lead to A VERY PAINFUL DEATH, and this is not even a small joke. Please DO NOT play with the back of a tube television or monitor if you do not have training and the proper equipment. There are plenty of people in the world far more deserving of a horrible death than /vr/troopers wanting to play video games on the old family TV.

Also this TV died the death and I didn't bother fixing it because I hated its lack of inputs and its overall suckiness when it was alive.

>>638412
dude just get the VGA cable.

>>643046
My LD player will no longer leave the tray out when I eject it, so I have to HOLD IT OUT WITH MY HANDS LIKE A DAMN CAVEMAN to insert or remove discs. Also because it is some stupid industrial model, I can't play digital audio through it, which means no English audio in foreign discs that have English audio on them.

>>643094
Just curious, does your LD player output svideo? Mine sadly doesn't. I'm also hoping to find one that flips sides too. I hear the japanese laserdisc players were comprible to DVD.

>>643062
I can certainly attest to how painful those shocks can be.

I accidentally brushed up against the wrong thing while working on a smallish TV hot. Yes, I'm stupid.

All I really remember is suddenly being on the floor seeing everything in a purple tint, with my arm twitching painfully. It took over a week to stop twitching, and several months for the phantom pains to stop. I would get them in strange places like the area four inches away from my arm, sometimes for hours at a time.

>>643119
Nahp. Pioneer LD-V2000. RF and composite output only.

I'd look for a better LD player, but the problem with buying them is that people sell broken ones and claim ignorance about them being dead, and they weigh two point seven fucktons each, making shipping murder in the third degree.

>>643126
I've only been zapped with regular US house voltage, not counting the xty-thousand volt shocks that static discharges provide, so I guess I lucked out.

Also if you play this in "HD", the sound should be familiar.

http://youtu.be/VTHtZBawnSA

>>643178
That sounds like what I hear all day every day.

The worst part about it is that I'm deaf in my left ear and I can still hear it in that ear. Man, I love tinnitus. Amusing story about that is I first noticed it soon after I bonked my head into a live fusebox and wound up ass on floor again.

I'm apparently very resistant to electricity.

>>643178
Sounds a bit low.

>>643363
If you don't play it at 1080p, Youtube dicks with the frequency of the audio.

I love my Trinitron. It's a shame that it's on the small side though, I'd say 13"-15", so I can't play anything with small text unless I am 5 feet away at most. I would definitely buy one of the older and larger models if given the chance.

>>643396
It still sounds too low at 1080p.

>>643437
15.75kHz is the frequency it operates at. Any kind of harmonic feedback that would increase the frequency would be subjective to the equipment attached to the oscillator.

In all seriousness, how likely do you guys think it is that a doctor/dentist would have a pvm hanging around?

I mean if you think there's a chance, I might just start calling around. I don't like ebay very much and Craigslist isn't yielding substantial results.

>>644286
I've been meaning to call doctors and dentist offices, but i am no good talking to people on the phone.

When talking about trinitrons is are the models listed as HD any good? This model is on craigslist for 25 bucks http://www.amazon.com/Sony-KV-30HS420-Trinitron-HD-Ready-Widescreen/dp/B0002F7I9O

>>646101
HD CRT's suffer from the same input lag as LCD's. plus you can't use light guns with them.

They would be ok for Wii, xbox and PS2. but for anything older stick to SD

>>646138
shit, how do I determine in they are HD or not? Like are all the Wega's HD?

>>646145
If it says Super fine pitch or Hi scan anywhere on it, or if it is widescreen, stay away.

So I'm looking for a PVM.

Is this model any good?

Sony PVM-1351Q Trinitron Color Video Monitor 13"

Someone is selling on CL for $45.

I'm also concerned about it being only 13".

Any one think that's large enough?

>>646767

13" is good enough. 20" is the maximum you could get. It seems this model has an RGB/Component input, so you should go and buy it. Just verify with some manuals/photo you could find online if the model you're talking about has an RGB/Component input.

If I'm going to go buy a CRT, are there any, I dunno, numbers or something I can look at on the back of the set to see how good it is? Like resolution or or color codes on the little information plaque on the back of a lot of tvs?
My Goodwill has LOTS of them all set up playing the same DVD but you can never tell just by looking at them because you never know how out of whack they've got each individual set's picture adjustments.

>>646808
you can always rely on Sony.

The main thing to look for are the inputs they have.

If you can find a Sony with component and S-video inputs or SCART RGB if you live in europe, then that's what i would get.

>>646797
it looks to me like it has designated RGB and component inputs, but that it would still require an adapter.

am i correct in that observation?

>>647194

You'll just need a BNC adapter, yes. But it doesn't matter, no electronic will be involved, just go for it.

>>647194
BNC adapters are quite cheap on amazon/monoprice.

If you want to use a SCART cable with it(for RGB from SNES/Genesis/etc), you will either have to make or buy an adapter for it; Those can go for $20-40 depending on where you get it from.

Any idea how old it is, and what it was used for?

WTF am i looking at here?

>>647412

A TV that accept expansion cards. What's the problem? Many professional devices accept expansion cards aside from computer, like MIDI expander, things like that...

>>647412
A BVM with expansion cards.

Fins the the right are heatsinks to my knowledge.

>>647381
i don't know how old it is or what it was used for.
regardless, i think i'm gonna hold out until i can find a larger screen.

but this will still be relevant for when i find a pvm that suits my needs.

what's the difference between using a scart cable and using a bnc adapter?

i could do either one, right?

>>647438
If the model has SCART inputs, use those obviously.

SCART is just the easiest way to get RGB out of a lot of systems, and if you're TV doesn't have an input for using it directly, you need to have a cable to convert it to the inputs that you DO have. This is one such cable, though there are other places you can get it from:
http://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sony-pvm-scart-converter-bnc.html

BNC adapters are to use RCA cables(Composite or Component Video) on a TV with BNC inputs. Those are what I currently have as seen in >>647381
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000G5S4JI/

>>647412

Some of sony's high end video monitors have expansion bays so you can add or change input and processing options.

The card without the thumbscrews is the default one that comes with the display. Somebody added a set of remote control ports and an RGB combo card.

Is it possible to use PC CRT's with consoles without any processing?

CRTs piss me off, I've been dreaming of them all night and half sleeping. It's never going to work. I have a brand new 27" Trinitron TV. S-Video, component.

Useless. I see people online using these as real 15 khz arcade monitors. They install Soft-15khz and PowerStrip or they install hacked Catalyst drivers...tell their VGA port exactly what low resolutions and sync rates to crank out...and send them where?

Not to the damn TV, that would actually work. Nope, they spend $200 for a little stupid box that takes VGA and transcodes to component. With that money I could buy an RGB TV straight up.

Does anyone know if VGA can convert to S-Video without dealing with a transcoder? Or are the RGB lines in S-Video chroma/luma bullshit like component is, instead of true RGB like in a VGA?

And even if I can get my computer to output the right signal to my TV, won't any vertical sync other than 60 Hz just make it shit the bed? When it gets a 50 Hz PAL signal and can't show it, does that mean that GroovyMAME can't output R-Type at an authentic 55 Hz? If it can't then I'm done with all this shit, pixels in their place is just as important as framerate and I will not suffer input lag.

>>649503
Also, I can't find the damn remote to this TV and it has a button that converts 480i inputs (XBox emulation) to 240p (NES, SNES, etc.) This irritates me.

>>649445
You can use the tube and its guns, take the chassis out of the monitor and replace with a cheap Wei-Ya from 8liners or the place in Florida. Then get a real DB9 RGB connection going on.

Just be aware that to make an NES output real RGB, you'll need to purchase one of those old Nintendo arcade machines and take the board out of it that allowed the NES to output to the arcade monitor. It's about a $400 job.

RF --> Composite --> S-Video ---> Component ---> RGB

>>649445
Use with consoles capable of outputting 480p signal. Wii, Dreamcast. Both are capable of 240p though so they itch for a 15 khz display as well as a 31 khz.

Does anyone know of any multisync monitors? What's with the Sony GVM? NEC Multisync II? Looking for things that automatically detect 15 khz / 24 khz / 31 khz. Everyone laughed the Blast City guy off the board but I guarantee none of you have a monitor that can compete with his Nanao.

How do I know if a CRT does any digital processing to a signal?

Picked this up a few days ago on craigslist. Trinitron model KV-27FV300 I like it a lot. Been playing my Saturn on it mostly so far.

>>650031
>Composite
>That tiny surface

>>649962
input lag

>>650031

Huh, I think I saw one of those exact models on Craigslist just the other day. Weird.

Y'all my niggas in this thread.

Here's my little baby.

>>650227
And here's my slightly bigger baby. Although the picture is small-ish.

>>650227

i like that tv a lot

>>650162
Sure, that's one of the reasons for not wanting digital processing, but I don't have anything to measure it.
Do 90's Sony Trinitrons have digital processing?

>>650298
I really doubt it, but I don't know for sure. If you can't feel it, what's there to worry about?

I have used this method in the past for testing. Maybe it will suit your purposes if you're intent on figuring it out.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1131464/input-lag-wars-post-your-input-lag-results-of-your-lcd-display-here-for-reference

>>650298
Unless it's a Super Fine Pitch or Hi-Scan Model, no.

SD CRTs=No Input Lag
"ED"/HD CRT=Input Lag+Trouble handling 240p sources.

>>649587

Does NTSC color really look that bad?

Jesus.

Hey /vr/, I have a Samsung CRT manufactured in Jan. 2001, has s-video and though I'm sure the picture could be better I am content with it until I am able to find a good trinitron. The problem that I have though is a very small amount of the right side of the screen is getting cut off on my old consoles. Does anyone know how to fix this?

>>650243
It's nice, but I've got it sitting in the closet for now because I only have the room for one in my setup. I opted to keep the bigger of the two out.

I'll make more use of it once I move.

>>650379
It has to be the camera the guy used. ALttP over component couldn't look that bad in comparison to RGB.

>>650402
>dem lines
>muh dick

Collecting consoles and cartridges is stupid. You can output any video mode you want from your computer, even in Windows.

Have an ATI? Use the Catalyst EmuDriver version. http://mame.3feetunder.com/windows-ati-crt-emudriver/

Have nVidia or a different ATi or something else? Output true 240p and more from your video card with Soft-15khz and PowerStrip

http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/wiki/Custom_display_modes_%28Windows%29_-_Soft-15khz

Here is a list of resolutions that Soft-15KHz currently enables.

15KHz
240 x 240 @ 60Hz
256 x 240 @ 60Hz
256 x 256 @ 60Hz
256 x 264 @ 60Hz
304 x 240 @ 60Hz
321 x 240 @ 60Hz *
321 x 256 @ 60Hz *
336 x 240 @ 60Hz
352 x 256 @ 60Hz
352 x 264 @ 60Hz
352 x 288 @ 50Hz **
368 x 240 @ 60Hz
384 x 288 @ 50Hz **
392 x 240 @ 60Hz
401 x 256 @ 53Hz * **
448 x 240 @ 60Hz
512 x 240 @ 60Hz
512 x 288 @ 50Hz **
632 x 264 @ 56Hz **
640 x 240 @ 60Hz
640 x 288 @ 50Hz **
512 x 448 @ 60Hz Interlace
512 x 512 @ 60Hz Interlace
640 x 480 @ 60Hz Interlace
720 x 480 @ 60Hz Interlace
800 x 600 @ 50Hz Interlace **
1024 x 768 @ 50Hz Interlace **

* "Fake" Resolution to avoid DirectX-Problems.
** Says 60Hz in Windows.

>>650402
>>650429
http://www.retrorgb.com/images/RGBMonitorsPage04%20-%20Large.jpg

Super large comparison.

>>650441
And here I thought the lowest I could output was 800x600. Thanks anon.

>>650458
Those scanlines are DARK.

I also feel like the image all the way to the right looks very similar to the crt-geom-halation-interlaced shader

>>650472
They're not just scanlines, that's a wire aperture grille on a real Sony PVM, 20".

>>650476
Where can I get myself one of these bad boys? I checked ebay last night, and shipping was more than the item.

I don't know any dentists.

>>650441
>Collecting consoles and cartridges is stupid.

How?

>>650482
That's how it is a lot of the time. Paid $50 for mine, and shipping was $40.

It ain't cheap to send a 70lb box across the country.

CRT thread? Cool

Sony trinitrons all round, but they're all like 50 bucks.

Don;t wanna spend 50 bucks mang

>>650464
Yes outputting 240p and other 15 Khz (arcade monitor / RGB monitor / TV) resolutions from a computer is something that MAME enthusiasts are all over. Many arcade games play at framerates other than 60 in order to allow variable resolutions.

With the Catalyst drivers you get 120-160 custom resolutions and vertical refresh rates. Mortal Kombat games play at 54 fps, R-Types play at an even 55, Wonder Boy is almost 61 fps.

This is why everyone thinks MAME is a bad emulator with their 60 Hz LCDs...they think it has input lag and is inaccurate. It's just so accurate that you can't handle it. You need to get your pixels right, your resolution right, and your refresh rate right. The pixels and the resolution are what's necessary for console emulation but you might as well take care of all of it.

The fourth part of perfect emulation is input. RGB is best. It can be debated if S-Video or component is next.

>>643062
>Ghost House

>>650482
Electronics recyclers. Someone probably has a bunch for $50 each. Remember that old arcade machines have the good stuff also (real RGB 15 Khz monitors) and that tri-sync (15 Khz-31 Khz) monitors exist and can handle old school emulation plus true 480p and higher resolutions.

Gradius IV requires a 24 Khz monitor.

Apparently once I install this hacked Catalyst 9.3 I'll have immediate access to 15 khz resolutions. Will I blow my TV up?

Can you actually input vertical sync frequencies other than 60 Hz to an NTSC TV? Will it blow up?

>>650535
Is this an online resource, or something local I should look for? I live in a pretty remote area, but I'd be willing to travel if the posts in this thread are any indication of the result

>>650502
Goodwill, bro.
I bought this one >>650227
for $10, and this one >>650238
for $5 at Goodwill.

To further complicate matters of even an RGB-modded SNES on an RGB monitor, here's a comparison of the different CPU/PPU combos in SNES units and their quality.

The rare "1CHIP" with all units on a single chip is the fabled holy grail. But with 15 Khz output and accurate emulation....

>>650458
>Super large
hue

So I am going to be picking this up on tuesday from a guy on craigslist for 40 bucks. Is this a decent trinitron? model number is KV-27TS36

>>650664
these are the inputs it features. Generally what inputs will get you the best picture?

So what's the absolutely best TV in terms of picture quality? PVMs? I'm looking one for some retro gaming + DVDs (because manymanymany movies won't ever get released on Blu-Ray) and seeing them on a HD TV... well, we all know how that turns on.

>>650683

Sony BVM

>>650673
RGB≥Component>S-Video>Composite>>>RF(VHF/UHF)
That has S-Video, so you'll get a pretty good picture from it.

>>650660
Both of these are 240p Component from the Wii, >>650402 is S-Video from an SNES, not sure which chip revision.

>>650683
BVMs>PVMs>Top Tier Consumer Model SD Trinitrons

Their a couple out-liers, like certain Ikegami models which will match or outdo even BVMs, but they're much rarer.

>>650709
You're forgetting the Nanao MS-2931, Nanao MS-2932, and Nanao MS-2933.

Also, the best DVD picture would be on a VGA capable 31 Khz monitor, at 480p. So if you want to do both you'd need a tri-sync like the Nanao.

>>650732
Like I said, there are outliers. I listed one of the ones I know of.

>Eizo
Aw hell.

>>650683
I find that if you have a nice enough BD player, DVDs upscale quite well, as long as you're not sitting too close.

I have a PS3 and its DVD upscaling is dogshit compared to my friend's BD player.

>>650709
RGB as in red green blue? Don't most tvs have that or am I thinking of composite which is the red white yellow? And what exactly is component? Someone mentioned earlier that the HD trinitrons were no good so this TV should be alright right?

>>650830

The Red/Green/Blue component jacks on many TVs are not actually RGB. They take a YPbPr color difference signal instead.

RGB-capable TVs or video monitors tend to use BNC jacks or a SCART connector instead.

>>650458

Something's fucked with the component conversion that guy's using. It should not look that much worse than RGB. Hell, it looks worse than his S-Video test.

>>650860
man, thats confusing. So this >>650673 just has s-video and composite, no RGB right?

>>650913
Yes

>>650860
To get component out on an SNES it seems he's converting RGB down to component. S-Video or RGB seems to be the best solution for a SNES.

I have two pre-2000 Dreamcasts and I can't find my S-video cable or either power cord. I have 6 controllers.

>>650913

I don't see RGB or component on those jack layouts, no.

Component saves on cable bandwidth over RGB and if you actually had a native color difference signal from your video encoder there's no reason it couldn't look just as good as RGB.

Problem is, most component encoders convert RGB to color difference and some quality is lost by that.

>>650924

Converting RGB to component is what a lot of devices do, even modern & unaltered DVD players or set top boxes... but his implementation is spectacularly bad.

>>650920
>>650946
Thanks guys, I think s-video should be good enough for me since up till this point I have been playing on my big lcd hdtv

Need to know if NTSC TV can take variable vertical frequency like an arcade monitor / PVM can.

>>651007
Answering my own question, an NTSC Trinitron can handle 55 - 61 Hz before it freaks out and thinks it's getting PAL. This means no Kombat. Fuck.

So I bought one of these and was wondering if this is the cable I need for it.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-seller-Sega-Genesis-1-Master-System-1-Megadrive-RGB-SCART-cable-lead-cord-/160964894877?pt=US_Video_Game_Cables_Adapters&hash=item257a41609d

>>650692
>>650709
what the fuck is a BVM and how is it any better than a PVM.
>>650754
really? fuck, gotta do a lot of research before buying.

Anyway, how much does a 20''+ PVM weight? I'm willing to pay like $300 including shipping for a good one, but the thing is that I live in South America so check out THAT shipping.

>>651250
BVM's a $20,000 standard resolution TV set made by Sony and marketed to AV nerds.

Decades later, they jerk off to them as the ultimate retro-gaming scanline-producing seizure festival. They all have 100,000 hours of use on them and are still $400 used.

You can fuck with their geometry hardcore, even convergence and shit. Tweak the guns.

>>651250
Do they have old arcade machines in South America and can you buy one for less than 300 units of currency?

>>637359
>RGB N64
I wish it wasn't such a pain to get it to output RGB.

Arcade monitors have RGB input through a JAMMA interface, they have no outer casing, and adjustments are made to them through handy little knobs in the rear and on a remote wired front panel. They come in 25" and 29" etc. also and are 100% gaming hardware. Beware of burned in images of whatever game they're from.

>>651278
that shit sounds intense. if they costed around $20,000, were they really marketed to AV nerds? I mean I could imagine a profesional TV studio buying them, but a single person like your or me? for that price? wow
>>651289
Like, legit arcade machines? Not really, at least not that I know of. On a local eBay-like website I can only see the typical DIY multigame arcade machine that are probably made off some shit tier CRT monitor.

The shipping of a PVM isn't really expensive there on USA and I know someone who frequently travels there, but I doubt she could bring me the TV if It weight too much.

>>651396
They were broadcast monitors.

They were used for a lot of the same tasks as PVMs, but were/are even higher quality. More options and shit too, like accepting raw digital signals and such.

>>651431
Oh. So what's the modern equivalent to a BVM/PVM? 4D?

so what's the deal with everyone wanting CRT's? Is it just because playing retro games on them allows them to fill the full screen without being stretched and be at native resolution? I'm personally fine with using LCD's because I hate the glare off the screen of CRT's unless you can get the room pitch black. Glare makes any quality difference negligible.

>>651476
There is no modern day equivalent, high quality CRTs are still used in many fields
I guess the LCD equivalent would be an IPS panel, but it's still nowhere near as good

>>651478

Well, this might just be me, but CRT is the only kid of large screen I can stare at for extended periods without getting splitting headaches and anxiety

>>651478
CRTs display the picture as-is, no scaling or de-interlacing needed.
It makes it look much better and has absolutely no input lag. Almost all flatscreens have noticeable input lag.

18/19''? Panasonic tv with vcr built in :P has only one shitty comp input, on the front. Only one built in speaker (have separate stereo I route the sound through)

>>651503
also the iPhone camera doesn't make this any better

>>651478
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip6WuOvK8EU

>>651502

I don't really notice input lag, either it's really slight or I've just conditioned to have gotten used to it or a combination of both.

>>651494

Large screen CRT's are just such a bitch to lug around though. A 35" CRT I had was ridiculously heavy to move and I'm pretty much glad I finally sold it. 40inch LCD is no problem to carry.

>>651478
It's line doubling.

Newer TVs have to upscale the old low resolution image, but they're trying to do it in a way that looks good for film and video, not for pixel shit. Plugging SNES or god help you a PSX into a new flatscreen results in a jumbly weird mess of ass. GOLDENEYE looks bad. Legend of Mana looks bad. It's not as simple as "They doubled the pixels", you get this weird subpixel shit.

There's two solutions to this.

1) Spend like 500 motherfucking dollars on a Line Doubler box that properly scales things
2) Spend 20 dollars getting an old tube TV

>>651521
>I've just conditioned to have gotten used to it
This is almost certainly what happened. I used to play on a 26" LCD and I never noticed it, but I played on a CRT and it was so much better. The LCD had probably a quarter of a second of lag or more.

>>651523
also blah blah blah standard stuff about older games being made with the actual intent of taking advantage of the blurring/smoothing aspect of old CRT screens and the graphics not really being "meant" to be shown in full cut-yourself-on-the-pixels detail

but really it's because most HDTVs make it look like shit

As far as PVM's go, is the Trinitron 14M4A recommended? Here's one I'm eyeing off

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/251272469505?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Ausfag, hence the horrible price.

>>636657
>busted solder joints
If that's all and you know where they are, just resolder them, fuck.

>>651516

informative. I mean I still have my SNES but since I have an HD TV I don't play mostly because emulation is so much more convienient and I don't have to deal with the stretched look.

These problems aren't really present playing on an LCD monitor using an emulator though.

But basically the CRT thing isn't a hipster thing it's ONLY used for retro game systems right?

>>651564
Basically. Hooking a 360 to a CRT would be full retard.

Since we are talking about input/output here anyway I wanted to ask about the genesis. I have a model 2 and I know you can do the av mod pretty easily. They now just sell av cables. Is the quality the same as if you did the mod and is the quality actually better with the av cables?

I will never stop being upset about Link's Awakening not having colors on the Super Game Boy.

>>651617
bro it was released before the Super Gameboy. SGB functionality needed to be programmed in. How could they have seen so far ahead?

>>651624
It has the funky custom background. I'm sure they could have managed.

Here's mine hidden behind ball boxes. It's a 27" Sansui (I consider this a 'no-name' brand personally) with Composite, S-Video, and Component inputs. The picture seems good enough for composite, though I can't seem to photograph it without getting darkened bars across the screen. What's up with that?

Also, I have some clear magnetic discoloration from some speakers that were perched above the TV for a long time. Is there a way to undo this discoloration?

>>651617
>emulate DX on your computer
>emulate DX on your Wii using RetroArch with Gambatte core
>play DX on your gamecube using game boy player

Man, there are so many options

>>651630
I know I know, but I have no idea where my Gamecube is. I don't want to buy another one because I just fucking know it'll turn up the moment that I buy one.

>>651627
>custom background
>check pic again

wait WHAT? How the fuck do I not remember this

>>651645
Well, it's the DX version.

>>651667
oh you're mad the *DX VERSION* doesn't have color on the SGB.

>>651636
What? How big is your house?

>>651629

i highly doubt it

>>651680
Link's Awakening DX has no color on the SGB? Why?

>>651687
I've moved a few times, but the size of my house is beside the point.

I think my Gamecube might be at my dad's house, and we don't exactly talk, so I don't want to go over to his house to root through his stuff to find my Gamecube, but I also don't want to buy another one on the off chance that is is there.

>>651693
Apparently I need something called a degaussing coil.

>>651692
Most games with Gameboy Color support didn't bother with Super Gameboy support. The SNES was on its way out.

>>650502

Man I spent 10 bucks to get mine.

>>651715

I find them free on craigslist all the time, just no way to carry the damn things

Question:
>emulator running on a PC with no filters hooked up to a OLED/LED via HDMI (or VGA, whatever)
VS
>emulator running on a PC with no filters/console itself hooked up to a PVM
Which one looks better and why.

Please respond. This could save me a lot of $$$$$ on a PVM since I plan on buying a 32''+ Sony-tier OLED/LED TV anyway and I don't own any retro console right now.

>>651748
Friends and beer/free vidya?

>>651806

>friends

Theres a reason im on /vr/ saturday night

>>651803
It's totally subjective. Is there any nostalgia involved in what you plan on playing?

The PVM is probably better for the games in any case, but a nice modern TV is useful for so much more. That can't be said about a PVM

>>651748

I carried mine from the store to the bus station walking almost 1Km, then after walking out of the bus I carried it for 100 more meters, then climbed the stairs to access the second floor. Come at me.

>>651870

Right, now do that with a 36"

>>651876

I'll need my little slave chimp I bought in India. Alone a 20" is okay, but a 36" require at least someone/thing else, you're right.

>>651887

I hope you really do have a slave chimp

>>651892
Get that tv up those god damn stairs.

>>651828
I have one too, it's called 'all my friends are busy and so was I plus it's fucking 4AM'

You can still do stuff with peeps.

>>651534
Don't buy that, it isn't SD.

Also, PVM's come up every now and then for $50-$70.

You can also call your local dentist or doctor offices and see if they have an old monitor they would get rid of. maybe even a local TV station.

Glorious C64 master race reporting in!

>>651994

I love this joystick, model?

Anyway, yes, Commodore monitors are pretty good, but I don't know if the C64 ones can display RGB...

It's a Quickshot
Model no - qs-130f (if you want to get technical)

>>651521
>I've just conditioned to have gotten used to it

This is exactly what you've done.

Input lag of around 100ms may not feel like much, but it's enough to fuck you over when playing games designed for CRTs.

One popular test is Mike Tyson's Punch Out. You have exactly 15 frames of animation (250ms) between Tyson's visual cue and his punch. You can dodge his punch on frames 11-14 but he'll have recovered from his whiff by the time your dodge finishes, leaving you unable to counter even if you throw the correct punch. You have to dodge on frames 9 or 10 and immediately follow up with a punch to the correct side to land a hit.

No matter how practiced or well-honed your reflexes are, it's physically impossible to react faster than around 140ms.

What this means is that if you have 3 or more frames of input lag, you can't beat Tyson. You can't even avoid his punches at 6+ frames of lag.

>>652002

No, the 1702 will take chroma/luma on the rear inputs or composite on the front.

>>651994
My CBM1084

>>651950
disaster avoided, thanks!

>>652002
That right there is a QuickShot Python. It's just as flimsy and horrible as all of QuickShot's sticks and won't last one game of Daley Thompson's Decathlon or your wagglan game of choice.

Do yourself a favour and find a Zip Stik or a Competition Pro, man.

>>652247
God damn the A600 is sexy. Or maybe it's just me...


If I was at home I'd post my utterly unexciting A1200 and CM8833 combo. I've got it nicely pimped out hardware wise but every time I see its 'little sister' machine I want to give up on all of that AGA nonsense and go for the cute option.

Come on. The LCD equivalent of a Sony BVM is a Sony BVM. They're 23000 dollar OLED monitors from Sony. The BVM line.

>>651950
Don't bother with Tv stations they think they're sitting on gold. Local Fox affiliate here wants 400 for 5" PVMs.

>>652446
I dunno man, I think it's pretty comfy to use. Besides you need to be able to play with one hand for certain games. Zip Stick and Competition Pro is not good for that.

I don't care much for durability as I don't burn through joysticks like when I was a kid.

only buy a trinitron if you want to lift 256lbs and are never going to play gun games.,....

>>653361

What the fuck are you talking about? Not all trinitron are hugeass WEGAs, and I have been able play lightgun games on every trinitron I played on.

How do I tell if my CRT is a shitty HD or not?

>>653439

Just watch which model and which brand and search on the internet to see if it's an HD one or not.

>Try to take a close up picture of a sprite on my screen like all the cool kids are doing
>It looks like a blurry piece of shit
Are you guys wizards? What are your secrets?

>>651803
>>651838

what's a PVM?

>>653489
It's Sony's "Professional Video Monitor", pretty much the best thing out there for this kind of thing.

>>653485
To take a shot of the RGB input from your console, just run your emulator of choice with no filtering at the correct 4:3 aspect ratio and overlay a transparent PNG of some scanlines. Make sure you tweak the colors to get really saturated reds, blues, and greens.

>>653502
If you're pleb-tier and can't afford their Broadcast Video Monitor line.

>>653528
I knew someone would call me out and say "hurr BVM is betr"

Fucking obviously.

>>653539
And I knew that in a board full of retro sperg lords, someone would try to convince people who were developing an interest in competing with them for the dwindling supply of professional CRTs that the PVM is what to take out of circulation, not the BVM.

>>653556
Make an argument, not an ad hominem.

>>653575
Make a better attempt to trick people into thinking PVMs are the best so you can get a better chance at your precious BVMs.

I look forward to hearing about your 200th monitor acquisition on your RGB / SCART / scanline blog.

>>653587
I'm not the anon you were arguing with, in fact I don't know shit about TVs, but watching you be a faggot and not even attempting to support your point is beyond retarded.

>>653608
OK I'll support yours. The PVM is the best monitor you can ever buy, don't bother looking for a tri-sync or a Sega cab or an arcade monitor or a BVM.

Panasonic master race here

>>652247
>dat cd controller
hhnnngg

Is there a wiki for this shit or something... I just thought TVs were TVs...

anybody here from the wrong side of the iron curtain? what was your choice of poison to waste your eyes?

>>653892

Hey interesting, how were the TVs in the red-side?

>>653925
dont remember much about them (i was quite young that time), just that they had typical faults

russian transistor died often, but any repairman always had a couple to replace. so repair were cheap, but regular

arond here we had the junyoszt 402 and the videoton almost in every household (not much choice for else in the eastern block)

>>653962

Love these woody/fake-woody cases of the time.

>>637249
That looks damn fine

>>653970
they were pretty nice but the fake case had a habit to get wavy due to humidity

also the tuning was a total pain in the ass, i sitll got one in the attic from gramps, i wonder now if it still works

>>638241
where did you get the gundam models?
can you refer me to some real-grade pre-painted models?

FUCK YOU GUYSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
No one sells PVMs in my country.
Actually, no, someone sells a "Sony PVM 1354q" for $80, but damn it, I want a 20'' one.

How big are the probabilities of the PVM not working if I order it via eBay from USA? I live in Chile, by the way.

>>650321
240P? Aren't SD TV's interlaced only?

>>654517
The biggest concern you should worry about is if the TV will become damaged during shipping.

>>654713
No that's a lie perpetuated by the LCD conspiracy. NES and SNES were both Progressive Scan consoles, outputting in 240p or 224p or whatever they did.

>>654713
The signal is interlaced. Like from a PS2 or XBox. Because they're pleb-tier 31 Khz capable only. You need elite haxx to get 15 Khz signals out of anything other than an old console.

>>654902
Modern 31 Khz display sees 240p says LOLWTF and upscales it and makes it all shit. Modern 31 Khz display sees 480i says DELICIOUS and scales it to shit even further.

Just got a decent sized DLP for free, how are those for retro gaming?

>>654989
Need CRT projector. Try to find some from ex NASA employees.

I just found the ultimate arcade monitor but shipping is $888 to my house FUCK...is freight cheaper if you ship it to an address? Should I say the driver has to go inside?

>>656026
looks like you better try find your ultimate monitor locally

>>656043
Yeah because $5,500 is fair price for a Sega cab in the Northeast.

we RGB now

ITT: A bunch of Euros lording their cheap RGB SCART tvs over us pathetic Americans.

You guys do all have displays that can sync NTSC though right? Are they even hard to get? Because getting CRT displays over here is a bitch.

Is this 32'' Sony Wega any good for games?

>>656743
Early 2000's TV with a serious brand all synced 480i NTSC up to the death of the CRT technology, so they would be easy to find, being the most recent, but I can't really tell.

Your best bet is going with the consumer line of late Trinitrons, which had pretty much anything but component. I had one before it broke and it had 2 SCART sockets (one for RGB one for S-Video I guess), and it could sync NTSC.
It looked like >>656776

Could I play an AV Famicom on a Commodore 1702 Monitor?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En75fI6KioA
http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/crtfaq.htm

Seriously if you guys are doing crt's might as well learn about them and how they work. Don't be the person that says "I can't work on a crt they're dangerous" and then listens to people on youtube who don't realize that putting a screwdriver in the anode cap isn't the best of ideas.

>>656808
Why wouldn't you?

>>656743
But you don't need to be a Eurofriend or have a professional monitor to enjoy RGB. You can easily convert SCART to component and most late North American CRTs from around 2005-2006 have component inputs.

>>656878
He could run in a non-SD CRT though. You better hand him the model name of a Component capable CRT which is also SD.

>>651278
>You can fuck with their geometry hardcore, even convergence and shit. Tweak the guns.

Even a slightly older trinitron can do that.

Want to go see the service menu for them?

Shit it's not even a menu, it's a bunch of abbreviations and god help you if you adjust the keystone too much or you'll wrek the picture and have a nasty curve that serves to remind you of you're failure as an amateur that you are.

>>651431
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tuFZJuAww0

>>656938
WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT TOUCH ANY TV'S SERVICE MENU WITHOUT THE REPAIR MANUAL FOR IT. YOU'LL BE SORRY.

>>656906
I think the difference between an SD and an HD CRT kind of goes without saying, but I'm using an Insignia IS-TV040919. In any case, it's still true that most standard definition CRT televisions produced in the mid-to-late 2000s when they were just starting to die off have component.

>>656878
Are you using SpecialtyAVs SCART to YUV transcoder?

>>653675
Shut up assmuch you don't even comprehend the greatness of the wells gardner arcade monitors

>>656941
So long that you write down and keep the default values of every changeable aspect handy and absolutely do not lose them you'll be fine. I've messed with my service menu several times without the manual.

>>656941
Except I did look up all the abbreviations and man they have a lot of shit to do.

http://www.electronica-pt.com/images/fbfiles/files/kv_29fv15.pdf

I believe this one should give you a good idea what can be done with these things. Not as professional focused with blue only or other info based settings.

It starts at (4) service data

>>656951
The very same. Can't recommend it enough. It's going for $50 on Amazon and that's a steal considering I paid nearly double that for mine. The only gripe is that it requires external power but it's well worth the sacrifice of plugging one more thing into a power strip.

>>656938
Alright man, you win. Consumer Trinitrons have the same adjustments as Trinitrons branded BVM. I AM that same person you're trying to insult, faggot.

Fuck your shit. You know nothing. I do want to see the service menu for them, tell me the shit you're too dumb to know about. 5, display, power on. Dumbass, like I fucking don't know that fuck you.

Anyone who cares about making REAL adjustments look into a BVM.

>>656956
Haha, you mean those shitty rigs with Wei-Ya chassis? OK genius faggot bitch, I don't understand the greatness of your shitty no longer supported Wells Gardner 9200 or 9800 or whatever you have rammed up your ass.

Real men use a Nanao, get on my level.

>>656956
What the FUCK are you even talking about, you try to defend the PVM by saying the same fucking thing I said in support of BVMs / arcade monitors / arcade monitors specifically from Sega cabs? FUCK your ignorant ass, I'm sure everyone listens to someone who can't even fucking read.

>>656984
Well I'm just about to buy a 20" 2003 pvm for about the same price. Now you're making me think twice although I do think the picture is better on pvms, it would be nice to be able to burn up $5 tv after $5 tv with impunity plus it's nice that it's scart to start with so no need to construct a cart to rgbs cable, at additional expense and labor.

>>656990
OH NO THE BVMS ARE GONE THEY ONLY COST 2K AND THEY'RE GOING FAST GUYS HOOLY SHIT.

And I thought the WG people we're crazy but I guess I should add the bvm's to my list too. I want to get a bvm but aside from the cool things I can do with it I just want something that does great color and has an easy access to the boards so I can make manual adjustments if need bee.

And that is why I got a pvm-1910.

>>656998
Scanlines

>>656878
>>656946
>>656960
>>656984
Props for using a shadowmask. Between all these PVM etilists, you're my nigger.

SCAYNLINES

>>657029
>>657029
- Try to find PVM's with aperture grille technology (as opposed to Shadow Mask), which separates the phosphors pixels by fine wires. The reason why is really complicated, so I'll just sum it up by saying "it looks a lot better". Feel free to check out the Wikipedia links if you're interested in more detail.

Shadow Mask pleb.

>>657029
He's not a pvm elitist he's using a rgb to yuv converter on a consumer tv

>>657018
Hey can you help me achieve my dream so that I can use RGB?

I need to figure out a simple schematic for combining H/V sync to C sync.

>>657040
I'm sorry I can't hear you over the sound of my 15KHz subtle scanlines.

SCAIYNELOINS

>>657045
Twist 'em together

>>657053
Can't hear your ignorance over the sound of my aperture grille technology so I'm completely unphased.

>>656845
Thanks for this.

>Lcd

Might need to rig up five 13" PVMs around the house with wireless controllers nearby all hooked into a central 15 Khz emulation rig.

>>657084
Speaking of an emulation rig would it be worth it to invest in a arcadevga 3000?

I kinda want to play modern games on an old crt just for the hell of it, along with sf4 and some arcade sticks.

Maybe kirby's air ride

Scanlines.

>>657105
Nooooooooooo install Soft-15 Khz and PowerStrip if you have an nVidia and install hacked Catalyst Emudrivers if you have an ATi.

Calamity's hacked drivers will turn your ATi into an ArcadeVGA anyway and if you have an nVidia you can still get functionality out of the Soft-15Khz stuff.

Unless the ArcadeVGA is affordable but a Radeon HD4350 is like $40 right now and that was the test card for Calamity.

>>657125
ArcadeVGAs are about the same price. Can Calamity's drivers put different frequencies out of the different ports? (I'm just going to assume it's compatible with GroovyMAME)

>>657063
Whatever, keep your brain and eyes going on fooling you the field is whole because you pretend you're filling the blank spots. Guess what, there's nothing. Only the black void of scanlines. Babby's first make-believe antialiasing.

>>657136
It generates 200 custom resolutions / frequencies that weren't there before if you have 32 bit XP, otherwise 120. But then on the fly with GroovyMAME and SwitchRes it will create new custom resolutions as you launch games based on their XML info in MAME.

As I understand it, anyway. I can't stand seeing someone showing off their top of the line custom Candy Cab on YouTube and seeing the screen tear to shit on non-60 Hz games.

I assumed the ArcadeVGA was $500 since these scanline people pay that much for something that puts scanlines on your LCD and $200 for something that transcodes VGA to component.

>>657142
You are so upset that you bought a CRT that is deplored by the community. You saw someone else posting a screenshot of his own inferior CRT. You gave him props. You were called out. You are now posting illegal internet-speak on a worksafe board.

>>657151
Yeah I don't understand some people. I mean, why go to outrageous expense to accurately simulate an experience when you can duplicate it using a combination of real original equipment and much less expensive hardware (and a little bit of oftware hacking)?

captcha earnestness orkeekup

>>657157
>inferior CRT

Just look at this buyer's remorse. How does it feel letting your eyes interpolate non-existent lines just so you can achieve MUH ACCURATE CRT EXPERIENCE? I know I don't because my TV does the interpolating for me. I can literally place my eyes over the tube at a risk of getting eye cancer, and I would see those glorious 224 lines lifting into the plane of existence, no longer limited by the original console resolution.

>>657205
>>657142
Does anyone know what kind of LCD this guy has that's better than CRTs? Is this from those scanline converters or something

>>657205
Now you're just trolling

>>657205
>does the interpolating for me
I think he's saying that he uses scaling filters.

>>657225
>LCD

Shadowmask master race here. Always been and always will be.

>>656845
>open up CRT
>cannot see 2nd anode anywhere
>massive coil of uncovered copper wire
>TV has 2 massive plastic drums covering the speakers to somehow boost the bass

NOPE

>>657225
He doesn't have an LCD, he's got an old color TV with a slot-mask. It's an inefficient way of directing the electron beams. Sony dominated the high-end market for around 25 years when they invented something better (the Trinitron, or aperture-grille).

>>657226
You didn't figure that out when he claimed that some chromaclear shit was better than a Trinitron?

how about dat SLG-3000?

I actually have one but I was reading that one site linked somewhere in one of these CRT threads to a guy who does reviews on stuff for playing 240p, 480i, and 480p games on modern TVs in their correct form, and by his accounts there is more that you need than just an SLG-3000 to make things good.

Can anyone who is more knowledgeable on the subject explain what I would need to add to my SLG to get even better picture?

>>657262
trash it and buy a real TV

>>657252
Jokes on you, my old CRT was a shadowmask Trinitron. And it was amazing.

32" CRT with s-video and component reporting in

>>657493
But SF2 needs to be run off a PCB or MAME at a true 59.629403 Hz not pleb-tier ported 60.

And through RGB.

>>657493
shit fuck I have that exact TV upstairs but it's dying

>>657516
>suggesting emulation

Do you even patrician?

>>637232

post a pic of output?

>>657516
>59.629...Hz
What? Why?

>>654909
>>654902
Really?
So, which consoles do output 240p, and does it work for both NTSC and PAL?

>>637223
USB socket adapters are like $4
>late to the party

>>657516
>>657584
I win I've got a dedicated World Warrior cabinet.

Quick question - plugging composite into SCART doesn't magically turn the signal into RGB, right?

>>657848

No. You can't magically get four wires' worth of bandwidth out of one.

>>657854
Yes you can.
If you put four wires into one cord.
The plot thickens............

>>657743
The signal is ALWAYS 480interlaced which basically means the signal is divided into two 240p pictures being swapped out every frame on odd and even rows of scanlines, so they used a trick with 240p outputs by syncing with the scanlines and only displaying the signal on odd or even scanlines. That way you can double the visible frames per second because the two swapped out semi-frames become one frame after another, which is a progressive output.

That's how I get it.

LCD sets go full retarded and treat every analog signal by upscaling it. That's why when you're playing something 240p and it's flicking at a frame-by-frame rate you see interlacing issues, because it's no longer 240p, it's linedoubled 480i.

>and does it work for both NTSC and PAL
That's color encoding and has nothing to do with this. But, if you're interested, I might tell you SCART RGB would be capable of going 720p and further, since it has as many cables (actually one more cable) as the component output. They just didn't care of exploiting this because the standard was made with SD CRTs in mind. It's a pity, because the signal has a lot less noise than Component. Some sets actually take Component from SCART.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCART

>>657870

That would no longer be one wire. We aren't talking about bundled cable.

>>657971
You fucker.

The only CRT's i can find near me are shitty chinese ones or Sony trinitrons that either only have composite inputs or are HD and weigh 80kgs.

Is composite on a CRT better than component on a LCD?

>>658001

Color separation will be worse on the CRT but it'll be properly scaled & proportioned and have zero input lag.

>>657940
Okay, so it's a trick that extracts from a 480i signal.
But I guess both the console and the TV need to support this? The console should output something that can be turned into 240p, and the TV needs the circuitry to do the deinterlacing.
Isn't this a digital process, though? Wouldn't it add input lag and degrade the signal for using an analog to digital converter?

>>656845
this is cool, but does the dude really lecture 8 hours on the subject?

>>658172
The consoles already DO this, they're exploiting the TV just to to make sure they display right. You don't need to do a thing. If you're seeing a console's output on a CRT, it's either progressive or interlaced. You don't need to deinterlace a progressive signal since it's not interlacing anything to begin with.

>>658423
I'm confused. An American TV receives 240 lines about every 16 milliseconds (60Hz), and new fields alternate between odd and even rows.
Each new field can contain its own unique frame for pseudo 60 FPS, or it can contain the other half of the field that was already being displayed for pseudo 480P at 30 FPS.
The former always has artifacts, but looks smooth, while the latter can be artifact free if deinterlaced by combining the two fields before they are displayed. This obviously adds lag, because it has to wait for two fields rather than just displaying the first as soon as it's received.
The only way I can see that this works is either if the TV receives native 240p (assuming such a signal exists), or if the TV takes one field of 240 lines and displays it as a full image rather than filling every second line only.

>>658590
Never mind, it seems that 240p is indeed a valid signal, according to Wikipedia.

>>658790
>or if the TV takes one field of 240 lines and displays it as a full image rather than filling every second line only

Take out the 'rather' and you hit the nail. The console fools the TV into thinking it's going 480i while in reality it goes 240p. It's not a mode/signal or whatever. It's a quirk for electronics.

>>658417
It's over a couple of days and basically runs a lab about repairing and letting others get their hands dirty.

The first part is the general run down and the second part deals with circuitry. Give both a shot at least or read that guide and supplement it with the video. I'm serious when I'm actually glad that that exist because no one else has a video like repair and talk about crts.

For it's length and the fact that the guy actually exist and he responds to comments posted (apparently) is all the better.

>>659139
Yeah, I will give it shot. I always like to know how shit works. And if possible I like to work on my own stuff.

Now that people are coming around to the reality of CRT TVs accepting 240p signals, the next step is to accept the fact that if you can get your video card to output in true 240p then you will have emulation with more fidelity than even the Wii's Virtual Console.

Does anyone run Linux? Can you output any horizontal / vertical frequency you want?

>>637025
>adds lines
>a bad thing
fuck you, the more shitty visible scanlines, the more authentic it is you retard

>>636983
to be honest, switching to a tablet if all you used a PC for is web, listening to music, and communication anyhow

>>659993
I could see*

anyone has a pvm vs crt comparison? i'm wondering how much of a change there is between the two.

>>660062
You mean compared to something that has the same inputs? Like an old NEC monitor with DB9 and BNC connectors, an Apple IIGS monitor, that Commodore 1084 thing, or any other low-frequency monitor like an arcade monitor. All with RGB. You can't compare unless the input is the same.

>>660062
See >>649587

>>660143
I still say that the component comparison and even the s-video looks much worse than they actually are.

Just bought this for $40. How'd I do?

Don't get an NEC anything I just got a 21" with RGB, horizontal and vertical and composite sync as well as sync on green. 27 Khz minimum, useless.

>>661063

>>661082
Scanlines.

>CRT thread most populated during Euro hours

>>661063
>no nec
>nec is retro
fuck u

>>661275
Because Americans can afford LCDs

trinitons dont matter. Games were designed for shitty CRTs that american homes had. Trinitons were for news studios hooked up to betamax tapes.

>>661345
>Trinitons were for news studios hooked up to betamax tapes

Protip: All Sony CRTs were Trinitrons. They made them in scores of different models, some better than others.

>>661352
Oh ok

Correction: HIGH END trinitons were made for studios.

also, as a yuropean, Why do you guys jizz over scart? On my TV it basically outputs in black and white. Oh boy, sonic 2! The color is so good, IN BLACK N WHITE

>>661362
SCART can carry many difference signals.

If someone brings up SCART in these threads, they mean RGB SCART.

>>661380
theres a color version of scart?