/vr/ - Retro Games

the subject has been explored extensively yes, so it really depends on what your knowledge entails. there's a lot of mediocre ones that everyone wouldn't know about yet

>>6495754
It really depends on what you're looking for in an RPG.

Chrono Trigger and FF7 are literally the only good jarpigs

>>6495843
>the most "baby's first RPG" ones and the ones even casuals have played are literally the only good ones
kek

>>6495840
Not them but I've had a vague interest in getting some more games on my SNES but the prices of the best known ones are retarded

>>6495754
>Are there any SNES RPGs that would count as a 'hidden gem'

There are basically no JRPGs that are truly 'hidden gems', the vast majority of the genre is garbage and the only people sieving through it to find more to play are absolutely obsessed people who are able to stomach the poor standard of gameplay that is systemic to it in order to play another game where they can repetitively level up their pawns to feel like they are making characters more powerful that they become attached to through this. As a whole, the 'connoisseurs' who are willing to opine on the obscure corners of the genre are the worst people to get recommendations from and have the lowest standards, the reverse of fanatics of most other genres, and all the best games worth your time are reasonably well known.

>>6495854
This isn't wrong though.

>>6495843
>>6495869
What did JRPGs do to you to make you so upset?

>>6495938
trannies like to paint everything foreign as "cultural y problematic " so they have a chip on their shoulder about jrpgs

it's autism, ignore it

>>6495938
JRPG is mainstream while WRPG is niche. WRPG games arent as popular.

>>6495754

>Usual Suspects

FFMQ (Baby's first but still fun)
FFIV
FFVI
Chrono Trigger
Mario RPG
Lufia
Lufia II
Breath of Fire
Breath of Fire II
Secret of Evermore
Secret of Mana
Illusion of Gaia

>Imports

Super Famicom versions of DQ 1,2,3,5 with fan translations
Tactics Ogre
Terranigma, unless you're a PALfag

>>6495854
>I refuse to play role-playing games that the unwashed plebeian masses would go anywhere near
I bet you can hear the sticky fibers rubbing together on your neck when you talk.

live a live
treasure of the rudras
lufia 2

>>6495754
I threads like these because it's obvious that >>6495843 and >>6495872 say things without actually having played any lesser known games, they just talk out of their ass.
There are always more relatively obscure JRPGs that are worth checking out. Though it might change depending on what you define as more obscure, take SaGa series for instance, I think most people familiar with JRPGs have heard about it but it's still relatively unknown to English speaking audiences for a very long time so I would count it. Live A Live is another game that really only gets mention now because its a game we never got back in the day, same for Seiken Densetsu 3. But by all means, if you wanna be a fucking close minded asshole and not look for anything new to try out, just don't bother with anything else besides fucking Chrono Trigger(which is an amazing game btw) and FF7(not as good as Chrono Trigger)

>>6495754
Lots forget about the Breath of Fire games. They're good. If you play II play the fan translation (it has several graphical changes I don't like but it's still way better than Capcom's official translation).

>>6496112
Lufia games

>>6496284
not retro, but the gba Lufia still has the most satisfying battle scene and animations and walking of all rpgs

the QoL in that game couldnt be better

>>6495854
I bet this faggot plays gay anime games

>>6495754
What people usually call "hidden gems" are essentially just games that weren't initially released in the west, s.a. Treasure of the Rudras, Live a Live, FF5 (that one is more known than the other games, people still tend to skip it, though), Seiken Densetsu 3, Romancing SaGa 3, Romancing SaGa 2, Romancing SaGa 1, Bahamut Lagoon, etc. They're all really great and I highly recommend playing through them

>>6496118
When did he ever say that? FF7 and CT are beginner JRPGs (this is universally agreed upon and, looking at the difficulty of both, also sensible), claiming those are the only good ones just proves how you know absolutely nothing about the genre and thus shouldn't make big claims like that.

>>6495754
Soulblazer

MATEN DENSETSU

>>6495754
Sailor Moon: Another Story

>>6496797
No. It's shit. Has an interesting formation battle system but its so rudimentary that even my Sailor Moon obsessed GF can't slog thru it.

>>6496808

>>6496797
This game is great
>>6496825
Based

metal max returns

>>6495754

>>6496939
nooooooooooooo, black lives matter!!!

>>6496939
>didn't bother to change the japanese text

>>6496239
No, you really don't understand. That obscure, Japanese only game, Seiken Densetsu 3. I've played it, because I know Japanese and checked it out specifically because of how hyped up it was by people recommending 'must play' overlooked JRPGs. And you know what, it's core gameplay is janky slop inferior to better action RPGs. You know what some action RPGs with actually solid core gameplay are? 'Mainstream' shit like Kingdom Hearts and Dark Souls.

>just don't bother with anything else besides fucking Chrono Trigger and FF7

They have the best presentation and story respectively of any RPG of their eras, and hence are worth playing over anything 'more obscure' on their systems. Neither have good gameplay, but who plays these games for their gameplay? But OK, lets say you actually did want to play a turn based JRPG with rock solid gameplay, where would you find it? Would all the real depth be in some secret, obscure series shunned by the mainstream, which it would be too hardcore for, that only dedicated RPG fans really appreciate, and is barely acknowledged even by places like this site? Many people seem so think so, but can never seem to agree on what obscure hidden gem games are actually the 'deep' ones or why they are supposed to be advanced. You know what an example of a turn based RPG series with decidedly active community based around in depth discussion of its tactics and which can readily demonstrate its depth is though? Well here you go: https://www.smogon.com/

>>6495754
Can we consider Live a Live underrated?

>>6496959
hope that tweet is just a stupid joke

>>6496327
JRPGs are gay anime games

>>6496321
>but the gba Lufia
But the gba Lufia is fucking garbage?

>>6496924
Metal Max in general, you mean. It doesn't help that we only got 2 games localized and 1 (2 if you consider the original and Returns different enough games) translated.

>>6495754
>hidden gem
>chrono TRIGGER
this b8 never ends.

>>6495754

I'm convinced hidden gem is an individuated descriptor.

Kind of like rating someone's hotness 10/10.

pretty much everyone can agree on 9/10 in some scale of hotness, but that last point to 10 has more to do with the individual's preference than anything else.

at this point, all the games within the library are documented, so the entire notion of literally being hidden has evaporated. All we're left with is lesser known, and things are generally lesser known because they don't appeal to a broader base.

>>6496112
>>6496284
>>6495869
i'll bite b8. play CyberKnight II. almost no one mentions it on /vr/. i hardly played it though.
https://youtu.be/qgRVGSB1ilw

there's also some untranslated PC Engine version i think...

>>6497708
footage for CyberKnight I.
https://youtu.be/bsfSvlhtWjg

CyberKnight II in nipponese.
https://youtu.be/HgBHTgJ4zSY

and the whole damn longplay in engrish.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpWlYXmqK5rt9bVTOUdYpsOBE0j0GQO7c

uncharted waters 2 is a legit snes hidden gem

>>6495754
Depends on what you consider to be a real rpg or not but all the super famicom fire emblem games
Not many people (in the west) have played them yet they're some of the best in the entire series and every one of them is worth a play

>>6495754
Lufia 2
Energy breaker

>>6497693
It's just an illustration of a SNES RPG not an example of a hidden gem you stupid faggot

>>6496972
>And you know what, it's core gameplay is janky slop inferior to better action RPGs.
Seiken Densetsu 3 has great gameplay, and is immensely fun to play through with a variety of classes and characters to choose from that make playing the game several times over fun, sorry you couldn't enjoy it.
>You know what some action RPGs with actually solid core gameplay are? 'Mainstream' shit like Kingdom Hearts and Dark Souls.
Not only are those not retro but those are modern games made many years after the SNES era, it's ridiculous to even bring that up at all.

>They have the best presentation and story respectively of any RPG of their eras
I'll give you Chrono Trigger but definitely not FF7, there are tons of 5th gen JRPGs that could be easily preferable to FF7 in terms of story and presentation.
I'm not even sure what you're trying to get at with the rest of your post, there are plenty of JRPGs with rock solid gameplay anyway, one of my favorites of the 5th gen is Parasite Eve.

>>6495754
Magic Knight Rayearth
Secret of the Stars
lufia 2

I don't want to open another thread for this:

Is there another retranslation for Breath of Fire 2 than the one by Ryusui that does not have those stupid 'enhancements' like the menu background? Basically just a patch with a pure translation.
I also read some posts by Ryusui and the guy seemed to insert some memes and random shit like Moaning Myrtle, 'Objection!' from Ace Attorney, Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy and more.

>>6497676
dont you ever reply to my posts ever again!

At this point the snes era has become so iconic to jrpgs that it's really hard to find ones that haven't become very popular. The only ones I can even think of that are remotely "obscure" would be Lufia, the Dragon Quest games (in America at least), Breath of Fire, Romancing Saga, and the SMT games, maybe any of the FF games before 6 since people only tend to get autistic for anything 6 onwards.
Also no not Mystic Quest, that game is literal baby shit, both in gameplay and story, literally just play ff1 at that point, at least the gameplay is a little more engaging.

How come you guys don't talk much about seiken densetsu 3?its awesome

>>6498756
I love that game but there's a ton of people on /vr/ mainly who seem to love to bash the game. imo It really is a travesty the west never got it back in the 90s.

>>6498756
>snes-"hyddin jehm"-thread
>talking about sd3
pick 1 (one)

Energy Breaker, Monstania

I wouldn't say it's a "hidden gem" because it's nothing amazing, but Eien no Filena (Eternal Filena) is pretty unknown, it's somewhat noteworthy for having a lesbian protagonist in 1995 (Her wife is also a playable character).

>>6500235
couldn't pass that one mission on the beach with some bugs

>>6496112
>Breath of Fire
After recently playing the game I found it surprisingly average and lackluster compared to JRPG juggernauts like Chrono Trigger and FFVI.

Prove me wrong

>>6496074
Because Wrpgs are shitty.
>dull brown color palette
>no art styles
usually just realism that will look like shit in 5 years
>uncreative character designs
>forgettable background music
>samey game-play
>only four settings at most
medieval shit, sci-fi, pirates, and sometimes modern/post-apocalyptic,
>fetch quest galore
>characters are dudes you wish you were and girls you wish you could screw.
>monsters are wolves, rats and shit

>but muh interaction
not very fun if you are interacting with a dull world

>>6500297
It came out years before them, give it a break.

>>6500297
Breath of Fire games aren't the best JRPG available but I think they stand out by having a bunch of unique stuff not found in other games; my favorite is how none of the characters are really human.

>>6500371
Real question, is 2 or 3 a significant upgrade? Not who you're replying to but I found the first Breath of Fire to be just too boring and stopped playing, but I'd play 2 or 3 if they're as good as people say

>>6495754
Maybe 20% of the RPGs of that era came to the west. So more and more gems are being discovered and translated.

>>6495754

Hourai High, Marvelous, G.O.D - Growth or Devotion (playable, not great. Might enjoy it more if you're an atheismfag)

>>6501340
>G.O.D - Growth or Devotion
Is that in English?

>>6501412
Yup
http://www.dynamic-designs.us/god.shtml

>>6501439
Awesome, thanks.

イデアの日
Not exactly a gem but it's interesting

>>6495754
Metal Max Returns

the hype is real senpai

>>6500297
Our system thinks your post is spam

>>6498771
Evermore was worth the non release and you know it. SD3 was better off as a fan translation anyway

>>6498651
>by anon with his head up his ass

>>6497676
Yes.

>>6496972
You're fucking retarded.

>>6497859
Dragon View top tier gem to bad series didn't get a 32bit psx follow up

>>6500756
I haven't played 3. 2's battle system is pretty similar to 1 but everything else is improved. Party members have more dialogues, are more fleshed out and have their own story arcs. The story and the world is more interesting. There's some cool unique mechanics like fusions (works differently than the fusions in 1) and building your own town through the game.

This is the most tired subject related to retro games, and let me give you a tip, most of the things people say are "hidden gems" aren't actually that good. There's only some exceptions, but for the most part, it's only the popular stuff that's worth playing.

>>6500756
3 definately is, I was actually enthralled by the story and couldn't wait to see what happened next.

Gaining enemy skills is a bitch if you don't have a guide though.

>>6497562
yes, definitely

>>6503794
This should have been just the dark lord. Or at least just the knight. But switching between them was stupid.
Switching between characters is always dumb in progression-based games. I don't want to level up the hero AND the final boss, holy shit, I want to either be one and kill the other.

>>6496112
I wouldn’t call Gaia/Terranigger jrpg, they’re basically action/adventure with a basic levelling system.

>>6505267
>basically action/adventure with a basic levelling system.

What is a RPG?

>>6505267
>action/adventure with a basic levelling system
Anon...