/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6499941
>good game
True.
>well told story
I guess. It's not hard to tell a good story if that story is just Star Wars but medieval.

>>6500014
>It's not hard to tell a good story

You say that but even Star Wars couldn't tell a good story until it was saved in editing. I really think you're belittling the insane amount of effort that went into Star Wars

>People still think JRPGs are good
Is it just nostalgia, or what? Genuine question.

>>6500054

>I don't like something
>So it must be objectively bad
>Ill ask a loaded question
>Call it "genuine"

>>6500054(YOU)
>goes to a thread about a game
>complains about the genre of the game in question because he can't say anything of note

Yeah idk why it's so hated.

>>6500286
no customization
Although as I've grown older I started to care less about being able to customize my characters (which just means more grinding usually) and more about a well paced and well balanced game and thta's what FFIV offers imo

>>6500289
The GBA and DS remakes both added different kind of customization and it only served to show that the original game didn't need customization. The original team is perfectly balanced. When I played the GBA version and got to the point where you could change character, I quickly realized that the other characters were all worst than the default team, and they had to fix that by adding a new dungeon that gave overpowered gear to the new characters (and they get outclasses as soon as you get the new overpowered gear for the default characters). The DS remakes let you customize your abilities, but it's done by using one-time-use items AND has missable abilities that require you to use a certain amount said one-time-use items on temporary characters. It's a really roundabout way of doing this and you'll likely miss the best abilities unless you use a guide, and even then the customization is only there to make the party stronger rather than changing how they play (Giving Dualcast to Rydia doesn't change her role, it just makes her better at what she already does).

>>6500060
shut the fuck up nigga

>>6500014
>Protagonist and one of the antagonists are related.
>Said antagonist turns good in the end.

It's basically just Star Wars.

>>6500054
It's genuinely a great game. Personal opinion and tastes will always vary between people but its regarded as one of the top SNES games. It was great enough to get a proper remake by Square and a follow up sequel. I pick it up and play it fairly regularly because it has the right balance of fun and difficulty.

>>6500025
it sounds more like he overpraised star wars if anything

>>6500014
Star wars is just low rent Kurosawa rip off.

>>6499941
>well told story
Is a shonenshit story like dragon ball or Naruto with the "alien are the bad guys" twist .Is only aclaimed because it had 3 good character development(Cecil, Rydia and the bard) that after they finish their development they become two dimensional character like the others boring character in the game like kain or rosa.
Also, it had hilariously bad deaths, like the Yang "death".
FFV is surprisingly a good improvement in the story, Galluh was a better Tellah and Bartz was a decent proto-Zidane.
FFIV is Tokita second worst work (the worst is the bouncer) .

>>6500014
>there's unga and bunga
>unga bunga
Literally a ripoff of the Lascaux paintings.

>>6500014
Final Fantasy 12 is Star Wars. This is not.

>>6500741

>>6499941
This was actually the first RPG I had ever played as a kid. It still holds up overall, but it's not without its flaws. Bear in mind, I haven't played the remakes, just the US release and mods of the original Japanese.

>well told story

The story starts out brilliantly:
>a good man forced to choose between following his sworn duty or what he knows is right in his own heart
>former friends are corrupted by jealousy and ambition, causing them to betray him
>variouspeople, some former enemies, from different lands and social class come together to fight a common evil
>protag is forced to confront his past sins in order to redeem himself
>several party members actually die, giving some emotional weight to the plot

Unfortunately, it all falls apart toward the end:
>EVERYBODY was actually brainwashed directly or indirectly by the big bad and the king was a fake too, so nobody is at fault
>Finding out the truth about Cecil's family is supposed to be a big deal, even though at no point was there any mention of this prior to Mt. Ordeals, at least outside of the remakes
>LOL JK, nobody actually died except Tellah and Anna
>and as >>6500741 pointed out, suddenly aliens

>>6500289
>no customization
While this makes replay value suffer, I like that about this game too. It forces you make good use of the various classes and adjust your tactics accordingly. All too often, the problem with customization is that the game rewards you for turning every character into a cookie cutter god-of-destruction, such as FFV and VI. Placing limits on them, that are in line with their personality, helps give the characters depth. For example, Edward is a wimpy bard who struggles to make himself useful or Tellah having wide breadth of magical knowledge, but is impaired by his advanced age.

>>6501201
about your point in regards to customization: I largely agree with what you said, it's just that I don't believe FF4 handled it as well as you pretend it did. I do prefer FF4's combat over FF6's, and the fact that it has 5 party members is also a plus for me, but the game is just so easy that the combat, no matter what, always just boils down to spamming your strongest attack/spell and having one person do AoE heals (I also believe how easily you can AoE heal HP, status effects, and spam heal items is one of FF's major flaws and the main reason they're often easy as shit, but that's another story).

II's early balance is fucked because they dummied out the Darkwave. DK Cecil is meant to solo-steamroll everything but the undead

The story is flawed but it was really good for the time. Character development was not done much in games yet so even the barebone development of 4 was surprising. Scripted story-telling was not as intense yet. Today we might say it's too linear, but at the time it was good because there was so much more story. WRPG had stories too but the open-ended nature of those games made it different, you had more freedom but it restricted the developer's freedom in how to show the story. One thing that stands out about FF4 compared to other games back then (Which is just the norm today so you know FF4 influenced the industry) is how pro-active the villains are. The norm back then was for the villains to wait for you in their castle and not do anything. You just go around solving problems in the world then go beat them. They may have altered the world, but it all happened before the start of your adventure. But in FF4, the villains are moving around and causing havoc throughout the story. Baron bombs Edward's castle just as you show up. The Water Fiend takes over Baron Castle and pretends to be the King. The brainwashed Kain shows up and offer to trade Rosa for your crystals. Golbez appears and steals the dwarf's crystal. etc.

Also, it does something that other JRPGs still don't do to this day: Cecil and Rosa ARE ALREADY IN A RELATIONSHIP when the game starts. Nearly every other JRPG "romance" involves the main character and main heroine pretending to not be in love until the end of the game and then they hook up at the very end of the game (or worse, nothing happens). Often there's a second girl who also likes the main character but it serves no purpose and that relationship goes nowhere. Here, it's the second male character who also likes the main heroine! And it actually serves a purpose as the villain uses Kain's envy to manipulate him. No other JRPG does this.

>>6501538
>play game meant for 10 year old japanese kids learning english
>seething about the difficulty
do you get mad at how easy 200 piece puzzles are too?

>>6502052
The SFC version released before the SNES one plus you're only proving my point, as the person I was replying to claimed that "it forces you make good use of the various classes and adjust your tactics accordingly". Now that we have proven that FF4 is as complex as a 200 piece puzzle, there obviously is no way it forces you to think tactically.

>>6500054
It says a lot about weebs that the most popular jrpgs are also the easiest ones

>>6502041
not only that, the guy who tries to cuck you fails, and with The After Years, he fails twice

>>6499941
Its the 2nd worst out of the the first 10 FFs, the worst being 8
Its still pretty good, magnetic cave sucks hard though, but the moon is great.
Still worse than 1,2 and 3 as it didnt have any of their systems
>>6500014
The real FF2 for NES is Star Wars, 6 is as well

>>6503445
nigger what

>>6499941
It's a good game and a fun game for most people. How do you faggot live like this? Dissecting and analyzing everything down to it's base. It's a fucking game, play it and have fun if you enjoy it, if not fuck off and play what you find fun. Your options aren't objective fact.

>>6500741
>FFV is surprisingly a good
lmao stopped reading there. 5cucks are beyond pathetic

>>6500289
>customization

Which turns into minmaxing to make every character the same, a proper fixed cast with defined roles ends up being more varied than a customizable one.

>>6504106
>minmaxing in a jrpg
what is wrong with you anon?

Play the PSP port. The western SNES release cut a lot of features and dumbed down the difficulty because Square thought the game was too complex for americans.

>>6504139
in good JRPGs you have to minmax

>people baiting and complaining about the game
>don't mention the second hidden staircase

Faggots. I'm not (You)ing you people.