/vr/ - Retro Games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfbRxP0BRwA

>>6488572
The YM2612 is just a gimped YM2608.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMr8F9Boqqw

Shi Kin Joh
https://youtube.com/watch?v=sRzHg4zz5n8

>>6488572
For me its Jesper Kyd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNvDPM9Y5SA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD5njzGdfLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gu1LFjGDg8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJbR58NZmiQ

Snes soundchip is great

>>6488652
No, it's not.

>>6488652
*angry muffled fart noises in the distance*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w88K554nkEE

>>6488652
Amiga's Paula is the superiour sample-based SPU.

Fuck the Snezz and the stupid yanks that overrate it.

>>6488638
So what? It's not like that was a powerful synth either. It's no DX7.

>>6488657
It's weird how muffled and echo-y some SNEzzzz games can actually sound compared to how you remember them.

>>6488657
speaking of farts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKNMV4eI0cU

>>6488851
BRAP

>>6488719
Super Nintendo forever inside of your mind, every single day until the day you die.

>>6488638
Imagine being this deluded.

>>6488719
>Snezz
Kill yourself, eurotrash. Your pronunciation of SNES will always be objectively wrong as per Nintendo themselves.

>>6488851
To be fair that's pretty close to the original theme with trumpets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGp2oWR7bWk

>>6488991
Sorry, but it's true. The YM2612 is a subset of the YM2608. It is an inferior sound chip.

>>6488719
>Paula
>only 4 channels
>hard panning
>"anti-aliasing" filter is just a global low-pass, which hardly anybody used because it sounds like shit

SNES soundchip is crippled by the 64K memory, but it's actually a great chip for TurboGrafx-16-style chiptunes. It's a pity everybody insisted on muffled "realistic" style instead of playing to its strengths.

>>6488998
It's still shit

>>6489017
Still beats the Fart DSP of the Snezzz

>>6489025
I actually like the aliasing, so it's not bad with hardware mods to fix the panning (or just don't emulate the panning).

>>6489001
I don’t hear any high quality samples in that track you linked to, but I sure as hell could show you some near CD quality YM2612 tracks.

https://vocaroo.com/ficl4O040If

>>6488572
>Yamaha YM2612
>Software-Controlled Fart Noise Generator (SFNG)

>>6489028
The YM2612 is basically the same thing with less sound channels compared to the other one. So basically inferior

>>6489028
That's irrelevant. He youtube lied to him and now he's an expert on shit he can't understand. Welcome to the internet.

>>6489679
>Nooo, not my heckin' Genesis sound chiperino! It can't be inferior to a higher-end version of the same chip with more features!

>>6489703
>Nooo, youtube told me something so i must parrot
pottery

>>6489935
Let's see, the YM2612 has:
>six 4-op FM channels
>one of the FM channels can be used for software-controlled 8-bit PCM instead
>9-bit stereo DAC
If we're generous and configure it like the Genesis with its PSG, that adds:
>three square wave channels
>one noise channel

Meanwhile, the YM2608 has:
>six 4-op FM channels
>three square wave channels
>one noise channel
>one dedicated 8-bit ADPCM channel
>six ADPCM sampled rhythm channels
>16-bit stereo DAC

The YM2608 is literally better in every way.

>>6489964
Aren't those 6 ADPCM rhythm channels non programmable, meaning they're stuck with a pre-defined set of sounds? If so, I think I'll take the YM2610 over both of them. It may not have as many fm channels (until a later model, or so I heard), but at least its adpcm channels are programmable, despite 6 of them being locked to 18.5khz. It's just too bad most companies that used it, like SNK, didn't really utilize the FM and SSG part of the chip, often over relying on the ADPCM side.

For me, it's the YM2151

>>6490074
The YM2610's ADPCM channels are basically the same as the YM2608's, except the rhythm samples are read from an external ROM instead of the built-in one. Which is nice, but being fixed-pitch limits their usefulness somewhat.

For me, it's the Yamaha YMF292

Currently learning to do audio on this chip

>>6488652
Tbh i have no idea what soundchips actually do but I think there was some degree of avoiding playing snes games for me due to hating all the music.

To be fair there are some outstanding sounding SNES games, but as with the Genny there are a lot of titles that sound...underwhelming.

>>6488572
>implying the 2612 isnt inferior compared to the 2151

>>6488638
Theres also this too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E_epDNAM3c

If /vr/ could design a custom sound processor (which it can't since we're all LARPing retards here) ... how would its specs look?

>>6489964
>Let's cope
You do that

>>6490462
One that that's modeld after all kind of farts

Post good music and stop fighting like it's the school recess in 1992
https://youtu.be/luTlm7Pc1Ko

When I was a kid with a Genesis I was jealous of my friends who had an SNES because their games had more realistic music. 25 years later I’m sitting here lapping up all the FM synthesis I can.

https://youtu.be/cCVlwxfaYts

>>6490462
Easy. I would use the C64's SID as basis and gimp it to no end. Heck, the original design for the chip was pretty out there, but sadly was toned down quite significantly. So yeah, I'm not a fan of FM synthesis sound chips at all.
>Emphasis during chip design was on high-precision frequency control, and the SID was originally designed to have 32 independent voices, sharing a common oscillator.
>However, these features could not be finished in time, so instead the mask work for a certain working oscillator was simply replicated three times across the chip's surface, creating three voices each with its own oscillator. Another feature that was not incorporated in the final design was a frequency look-up table for the most common musical notes, a feature that was dropped because of space limitations.
>The support for an audio input pin was a feature Yannes added without asking, which in theory would have allowed the chip to be used as a simple effect processor. The masks were produced in 7-micrometer technology to gain a high yield; the state of the art at the time was 6-micrometer technologies.

Easy. I would use the C64's SID as basis and expand it to no end. Heck, the original design for the chip was pretty out there, but sadly was toned down quite significantly (I would even call it crippled, yet still it was one of the best sound chips of the time). So yeah, I'm not a fan of FM synthesis sound chips at all.
>Emphasis during chip design was on high-precision frequency control, and the SID was originally designed to have 32 independent voices, sharing a common oscillator.
>However, these features could not be finished in time, so instead the mask work for a certain working oscillator was simply replicated three times across the chip's surface, creating three voices each with its own oscillator. Another feature that was not incorporated in the final design was a frequency look-up table for the most common musical notes, a feature that was dropped because of space limitations.
>The support for an audio input pin was a feature Yannes added without asking, which in theory would have allowed the chip to be used as a simple effect processor. The masks were produced in 7-micrometer technology to gain a high yield; the state of the art at the time was 6-micrometer technologies.

>>6488851

>>6490142
That's a mighty fine and very underappreciated chip
>>6490462
Designing a sound chip isn't that difficult. I've reproduced many using CPLDs and even modified a few. Any spec would depend entirely on what it was going to be used for. You're probably not going to stick a chip that needs a powerful controller and megs of RAM in a 2600. Although you might bundle all that stuff into a single package. Something like MSU1 except not retarded.

>>6490462
FPGA based, so that each game can turn it into whatever it needs to be.

>>6492603
>and just like that
>the thread turned into yet another fpga shitshow

>>6492603
Based FPGA retard
You have no idea what youre talking about

>>6492894
>>6492902
OOOGA BOOGA DURR HURR
Prove me wrong pissheads

I wish Ryu Umemoto had composed for the Mega Drive. His YM2203 music sounds better than most SMD soundtracks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSWCihT_2Ho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tBCkRG-g28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfgXThML4W0

Also the later PC-8801's had a version of the 2612 that was just better in every way and had digital output with a separate DAC

>>6488572
Great chip, but I prefer the 2203. Has 3 FM + 3 PSG from the superior Yamaha YMF2149 design and not that Texas Instruments shite they paired the YM2612 with in the Genesis.

>>6490834
>said something stupid
>got completely blown the fuck out
>c-cope!
pottery

>>6493376
>>6493380
And those pictures are made by a person who has no passion for chiptune.

>>6493380
I don't recognize the top left.

/mu/ here; fm synthesis is king, samples are big gay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au_CTlKU_7o

>>6494443
FM synthesis + sampled percussion is best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJf27idRMgU

>>6494484
Fake news. Look at real genesis to snes ports to see how pathetic they sound.

>>6493896
You literally just just described yourself, baby parrot

>>6494224
PSX has a great chip. And you're allowed to make fun of things you like.
I like the Amiga but I still found this funny.

>>6494436
Atari 8-bit computers and 5200 console. Chip's called POKEY. Punch in the second line, that's the atari part number.

>>6494545
>Fake news.
It's not fake, have a listen to it yourself:
https://anonfiles()com/J4K5We4eoa/
>Look at real genesis to snes ports to see how pathetic they sound.
That's probably because they didn't have space to fit the samples if they were to make all the songs on the SNES port sound similar to how they are on the Genesis.

>>6494669
The irony of being called a parrot by a guy who uses the same words and catchphrases so much (what youtuber did you hear that from? parrot! zoomie!) that he might as well start tripfagging is just too much to handle.

>>6494669
>You literally just just described yourself, baby parrot
>just just
breath deep and calm down
let the anger subside before you start pounding on your keyboard

>>6495994
>>6496015
kids. lol

[metallic fart sounds]

>>6488572
have some follin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_IJYc9t3vQ&t=21m57s

>>6488994
Amazing that people still don't realise that they sound like complete and utter idiots with the SNEzz Nezz shit. They're usually the same people who insist on calling Nintendo "Ninty". FFS!

>>6497814
Amazing that people like you still give a shit almost 30 years later

>>6497903
What youtuber lied to you?

>>6493376
>Favorite is OPL
>I try to have an open mind
>My nostalgia is so crippling that I wish I were back in the 90s almost daily.

>>6500156
OMG it's so cringe it hurts

>>6500629
It's cringe, but also completely true. I would rather be booting up DOS on my 486, so I can play some RPGs with 256 color VGA graphics while my boombox is tuned to the "alternative rock" station that just plays the top ten grunge hits on a loop. Comfiest times.

>>6500629
Can you link which youtube video you got your opinion from?

>>6500761
cringe

>>6489028
Here's your high quality samples, bro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un5KyDVPnc4
Show me one Genesis game that achieves this level of fidelity

>>6492603
>>6492909
so what youre saying is every game is going to reconfigure the instruction set of the FPGA and flash it, in HDL, so that it can "turn it into whatever it needs to be". got it.
shut up you fucking retard LOL

>>6488578
>>6488657
Stfu cunt

>>6489025
>>6489017
SPC700 (S-DSP) won again.

Take off pathetic arguments.

>>6493376
>Gaynesis fanboi

>>6490117
Golden X68000 masterrace

>>6501993
Still sounds like shit

>>6501986
Fart fetishist spotted

>>6488851

>>6490963
Steel Empire had some of the worst slowdown I've ever seen on any Genesis game. The steampunk theme and music were pretty cool, though. I think Hot-B, who were also responsible for the Genesis port of Insector-X, developed Steel Empire.

>>6488851
I swear I accidentally played the intro of this the other day when I was taking a dump.

>>6502353
Then you've seen nothing

Anyone else wish that the SMS had better audio so the Genesis would also end up sounding better? Imagine it had an NES or Game Boy inside.