/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[6-1] https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/114797-dbp24-spaceballs-the-sequel-the-quest-for-more-dbp-maps/
Spaceballs, the .wad

[5-31] Egypt themed map for Hexen 2
https://www.moddb.com/games/hexen-ii/addons/shifting-sands

[5-28] Eternal Slayer, a new 3rd person melee mod.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=68667

Wrath Update 2+ Big Box
https://youtu.be/VmJc5ReteFQ

DBP24 trailer released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4rmaWofQP4

[5-26] Pandemonia 2.0 released
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GKjW1ZGQkViW3MOBDxnyK3Sk41ynpv6S/view

[5-25] The Force Engine was updated
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2133742
https://theforceengine.github.io/downloads.html

[5-24] Smooth Blood released, its like Smooth Doom but for Blood
https://www.moddb.com/mods/smoothblood

[5-23] Punishment, an episodic replacement for the first Doom
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/114613-punishment-an-episode-1-replacement-for-doom/

[5-23] Anon shares some Sandy Peterson videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwV3uwM19EY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlSb1esFt0A

[5-22] La Tailor Girl updated
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58343&start=405#p1152235

[5-22] Dark Forces DeHacker updated to v1.3
http://df-21.net/

[5-22] Realm667 repository submissions are on hiatus
https://www.realm667.com/index.php/en/home/archiv/17-site-news/2259-repository-submissions-on-hiatus

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>>6486095
Akeldama, 32-map megawad collaboration.
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/megawads/akeldama

why the hell did it take so goddamn long for a new thread to be made?

>>6486104
I don't know, but that's why I stepped up.

https://vocaroo.com/oy2vUVU1jFv
Thread greeting.

Playthrough video of map21 of 200 minutes of /vr/ is up.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXpbPt5nOUw

So, how's Monday treating you all?

I've taken my first tentative steps into mapping for Doom tonight, just watching tutorials and taking notes, playing with the editor, and making some scribbles and notes (and watching a wonderful Dan Snow doc on the Roman Empire, which gives me all kinds of ideas more suited to TrenchBroom than Doom Builder).

Not ready to share anything yet, but I'm feeling pretty excited.

>>6486198
Kind of had my fill with Baldur's Gate and feel like I want to get back into shooters, and thus my mod project. I'm almost done with BG2 so I'll push through.

>>6486207
Good luck with that - you'll have to fill me in!

I admit, I was tremendously excited by the Baldur's Gate games but never got very far in them. I prefer my D&D around the table. They're still awesome though, and I must revisit them one day. That and find some old-school dungeon crawlers like Bloodwych, Dungeon Master, or Eye of the Beholder to replay. (And maybe some SSI stuff...)

>>6486198
I made some crates arranged in unsafe manner and now unsure if I should make more crates or return to normal doors and walls.

>>6486241
Ah, yeah, I was wondering how you were getting on after your progress yesterday! You've given me a couple of things to think about for my own mapping practice, about using those little offsets to look a bit more realistic.

Be careful none of those fa-- oh, wait, Doom's physics doesn't support that. Carry on.

Which link in OP has dude sex in it?

>>6486198
Good luck anon, be sure to test your map with a variety of ports other than just GZDoom and change the music so it isn't the stock D_RUNNIN.

>>6486235
They're good. The first one is low level D&D (you'll top out at like level 9 or 10) with a lot of (optional) wilderness exploration, and some nice dungeons, plenty of sidequests too. It's slightly low fantasy, compared to the sequel anyway, and actually has a pretty comfy medieval feel.
Second is higher level D&D obviously, and is more high fantasy, it also begun developing past the AD&D rules and concepts from the first game, sort of like a 2.5E. There's almost no wilderness exploration, but instead there's a lot of dungeons to crawl. They're pretty combat focused games, but given the plot it makes a lot of sense.

If you get the EE versions (I don't recommend paying for them), make sure to patch out the new NPC companions (because they're fucking awful), and to re-add the old cinematics which were replaced in the first game. I would also suggest to turn off all the needless UI additions which were added, because you don't need three different ways of displaying enemy health at once.

>>6486270
Thanks for the tips! Right now I'm sticking with Chocolate as my source port of choice (and haven't even got as far as "how do I trigger music") - but I know I need to venture further afield. Once I start getting the hang of the geometry, I may well start asking annoying questions about that stuff.

I'm irrationally excited about the idea of being able to show folks a draft and get some feedback, though. Don't ask me why, I know not to expect Romero Himself to appear from on high and bestow a couple of vintage 3.5" floppies on me in recognition - but I'm enjoying learning, and having a community I can kick stuff around with.

>>6486279
Yeah, I remember that they still had THAC0 and such in there, just like real (pre-3rd) D&D. I'd probably go for the older versions - if for no other reason than I hear some of the stuff that got patched in can be unstable and story-breaking.

Was John Carmack the only man who could've given us all the advancements he did or would they have occured anyway? If so, would it have taken much longer?

>>6486204
>how to tell a story in 64 x 64 pixels

>>6486290
The EEs aren't perfect, no. The big addition is the new companions, but if you patch them out it's alright. I do enjoy the presence of BG2 class kits in BG1.
That said, the original version of the game is perfectly playable.

>>6486290
Chocolate Doom faithfully replicates "Vispane overflow" crash and tutti-frutti effects, which might negatively impact your artistic pursuits.

On the other hand, it would give you an excuse to not be bothered about flat walls like I ended up being.

>>6486297
Carmack was ground-zero for the birth of PC graphics whores. The only lasting legacy I would attribute to him is driving up the total cost-of-ownership on your average computer.

>>6486309
Oh come on now, his brilliance brought us smooth scrolling on PC and later the fatest 2.5 first person engine ever produced and later still the first truly 3D FPS.

>>6486297
Ken Silverman could have done it (Build can do everything you need for a game like Doom), it's just John Carmack did it first.
You would need some sort of efficient optimization to get a game like Doom to run on 1993 computers, and to get a game like Quake to run on 1996 computers, and Binary Space Partitioning would be one of those things, and Carmack was doing just that.

>>6486309
Cringe.

>>6486309
Anon, computers get cheaper literally every year.

>>6486331
But if you high end, top of the line...that remains pricey. Always been, always will.

>>6486336
So? That doesn't have anything to do with Carmack, you just said it has always been that way.

>>6486336
*want

>>6486326
Ken Silverman's code is horrific, it's just a bunch of hacks bolted onto fuckugly code

>>6486336
>average computer

>>6486341
You mean Build after people fucked with it. In its base form it's fine.

>>6486341
cope harder you literal nobody :^)

Can someone clarify infinitely tall explosions to me? Would monster be harmed in a situation like this one?

just popping in real quick to say that I love you motherfuckers, this is the last place on the internet that doesn't feel like a festering pile of shit and it's cool to see people still enthusiastically enjoy a game they love

>>6486306
>Chocolate Doom faithfully replicates "Vispane overflow" crash and tutti-frutti effects, which might negatively impact your artistic pursuits.

I'll worry about that when I get to it. Thanks for the heads up, I might crack on with looking at (say) PRBoom+ sooner rather than later, though.

Speaking of bugs... I was reading that a couple of features in the original release didn't work as intended due to typos (unavailable palettes, some of Doom Guy's face animations). Do source ports replicate these bugs, or fix them?

>>6486349
No, I don't mean that at all.
http://fabiensanglard.net/duke3d/index.php

>Upon opening VS, the engine source felt unwelcoming with difficult filenames (a.c, cache1d.c). Opening those files reveals something hostile to the eyes and the mind. An example among many others from Engine.c (line 693):

if ((globalorientation&0x10) > 0) globalx1 = -globalx1, globaly1 = -globaly1, globalxpanning = -globalxpanning;
if ((globalorientation&0x20) > 0) globalx2 = -globalx2, globaly2 = -globaly2, globalypanning = -globalypanning;
globalx1 <<= globalxshift; globaly1 <<= globalxshift;
globalx2 <<= globalyshift; globaly2 <<= globalyshift;
globalxpanning <<= globalxshift; globalypanning <<= globalyshift;
globalxpanning += (((long)sec->ceilingxpanning)<<24);
globalypanning += (((long)sec->ceilingypanning)<<24);
globaly1 = (-globalx1-globaly1)*halfxdimen;
globalx2 = (globalx2-globaly2)*halfxdimen;

Ken didn't even let other people fuck with the engine, he had to implement any changes, they weren't given source code.

>>6486364
Build's source code wasn't public - only the object code was licensed out. Therefore, it was never meant to be beautiful as it wasn't supposed to be seen by anyone but Ken.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0-riOgQGsg

I want to map but I don't know where to start, someone help me out.

>>6486487
>get Doombuilder 2 or GzDoombuilder
>do Boom format because it's easy and goes past some of the Vanilla limitations without being needlessly complex
>think of some of your favorite maps in Doom and Doom 2
>think hard about what you like about them, aesthetics, encounter design, layout, secrets, etc
>make like two or three maps which draw inspiration from these, but without being 1 to 1 copies, try to combine elements and putting your own spin on them

After I finish Disoslution of Eternity, should I play Arcane Dimensions or Dusk? Also is Dusk MP active or is it dead as shit?

>>6486513
Arcane Dimensions. Dusk is pretty cool too though. MP was fun for awhile but last I checked (~6 months ago) it had withered away.

>>6486542

>>6486542

>>6486542
I'm perplexed, but I like it.

>>6486513
AD
dusk is shit and its MP is dead, as expected

>>6486542
this image is cursed

Has anyone played Wrath and run into an issue with the game locking up after an hour or so? I keep having to force restart my pc because of it and it's the only game that does it

>>6486590
What does it do?

>>6486542
Looks fucking wicked, I like it.
>>6486546
Fucking nightmare fuel

I'm playing through doom snes, it has a pretty good atmosphere. I've noticed the textures move a bit when turning, looks kinda wierd.

>>6486595
It'll suddenly freeze at random during gameplay and the audio just becomes a really loud buzzing and locks up so hard I have to force my pc to shut down. There's no real warning it's about to happen so it always catches me off guard

>>6486607
It's shit, bro.

>>6486609
That's not normal. Everything ok with your system?

>>6486607
Even if it needs the Super FX2 to achieve that...for the hardware it's running on it's impressive.

>>6486630
Outside of Wrath everything works just fine. Even the game itself runs great until the inevitable freeze happens

I have to come here because I think there is not a single neuron alive in that board.
Is there something wrong with his calculations?
>>>/v/510616337
(It's Doom related)

>>6486643
What hardware? What about asking in the official support forums or on steam?

>>6486649
That thread is shit and you should be ashamed to bring it to my attention.

>>6486658
ok, but what about the calculations?

>>6486356
No.
There's a trace check from explosion to monster too.
When explosion happens it checks for 2 things - horizontal distance (but not vertical, hence inf. height) and sight to target.

>>6486661
didn't you learn basic geometry in school class you moron

>>6486682
Can you explain me what is wrong instead on insulting me?
The fortress is clearly coming from behind the planet, it's extremely huge and out of scale.

You are trying to solve a triangle equation while only having a single side and no angle data, nor data on other sides.

>>6486717
This and who gives a fuck. Enjoy the game you autists.

>>6486649
I thought the same thing, if it's coming from behind the planet it should be less than a pixel wide, artistic license I imagine and that thread is full of literal retards

>>6486661
Calculate these nuts faggot

>>6486380
Nice

>>6486513
Both.
Arcane Dimensions for more Quake
Dusk for one of the only decent indie FPS games that tries to be like the classics.

>>6486612
I like running old games on systems they shouldn't normally run like doom and duke 3d on a 386 to see how far they be pushed, doom snes almost seems like a wolf 3d mod at times. Just stick it on easy and enjoy the technical wierdness.

Land of Able continues to be the best musical track ever made for a Doom wad and I will physically fight anyone who tries to disagree because I have a strong belief that might makes right.

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/107015-wad-progression-for-skill-improvement/
>Base Ganymede is easier than Doom 2
>then suddenly E2M8
WHAT THE FUG

>>6486887
That list considers Sunlust harder than Sunder, which I find a bit hard to believe. Especially when you take into account the more recent Sunder maps.

>>6486887
okay the start of the map made me overreact. it's not so bad, e2m6 is WAY harder if you're playing pistol-start no saves

>>6486607
it would be cool to see someone hack a custom wad on SNES doom

>>6486934
downtown on SNES doom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YSHvMt8z9U&feature=emb_title

>>6486104
I've made new threads for the past 3 or so years and I got burned out sometime last year. Also I try to abstain from reusing images for the OP.

In heretic, at one point, did Corvus have a mugshot? I could swear he had this big, shit-eating grin while picking up weapons. Playing it right now, nothing like that. I even checked some gameplay videos.

DBP24 RC2 is out! It's got a bunch of solid fixes so this definitely the version to get.


https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/114797-dbp24-spaceballs-the-sequel-the-search-for-more-dbp-maps/?tab=comments#comment-2137710

>>6486923

One day that list might get updated - at least to take into account the new Sunder maps

>>6487027
The Catacomb games have a portrait, not sure if it ever smiles like that though.

>>6487027
Maybe you saw the mugshot in Samsara. I think it's based on his mugshots that appear in Vanilla Heretic Deathmatch at the end of a map or something

>>6487027
He does laugh when he picks up a weapon

>>6486306
>"Vispane overflow" crash and tutti-frutti effects
Okay, now I got the chance to look those up properly I'm going to say "ouch". Yeah, as much as I want to have a vanilla experience playing the original WADs, I don't want to do that to myself while mapping! Time to get a limit removing port.

>>6486297
Carmack wasn't doing anything that others weren't working on (either in theory or in practice). But he was certainly an innovator, and he was doing it in a way that fit the market - the hardware spec - that id targeted with their games.

As >>6486326 said, it was efficient optimisation, and that was good, and it laid the groundwork for others, e.g. GoldSrc/Source.

>>6486360
Amen to that, anon.

>>6486364
>Fabien Sanglard
That guy's books are amazing. I'm learning more than I thought was possible about how Doom and Wolf3D worked. And that's before you get into his other posts...

>>6486501
This is good advice.

>>6486542
>>6486546
Dafuq are those maps, anon?

>>6486607
That's probably a compromise in the engine - the rendering math is complex and would've been simplified for some ports. (See: Fabien Sanglard). Still impressive!

What are some good weapon WADs for doom? I've played high noon drifter, doomRL, treasure tech, and that crazy anime one.

A LOST SOUL JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE!

>>6487287
I'd say Combined Arms, but that's getting an update soon so you should probably wait on it.
Final Doomer has some pretty cool weapon sets made for specific mapsets. You can still use them on different ones, but they all have unique themes because of it.

>>6487287
Guncaster for slaughter wads.
Trailblazer is less OP than GC, but still stronger than your regular set, and features upgrades.

Both are compatible with Heretic too.

Quake Descent into Heresy for Heretic.

Eriguns for visual upgrade to regular weapon set. Eriguns 2 for alternative set.

Doom Tournament/ Unreal Doom, but they are really weirdly balanced. Many guns are underpowered and have less DPS than their original Doom counterparts (like RL being about half as strong even with multishot). Had to fix that manually.

GMOTA

Embers Of Armageddon/D4D/D4T.

>>6487297
>>6487320
Thanks for these. NTAYRT, but *yoink!*

I've heard good things about Doom 4 Vanilla. Going to give it a try myself!

Have you ever noticed how weird do brown crates look in the dark?

Anyone's up for a doom coop run?

Something in Strife's story that's been intriguing me for a while now: during the part where the player is busy getting lost in the infamous sewers, Blackbird claims she's hiding underground (just as it was mentioned in the intro) not far from where the player is at the time. However, during the canon (and best) ending, after the player beats the final boss she seems to be emerging from somewhere within the Entity's ship. She's constantly in contact with the player throughout the entire game, so it's unlikely that she had been taken to the ship before the adventure in the sewers and the final level. There's also a bad ending where she *is* the Entity, but it's not the canon, and she doesn't even exists in a physical form during that ending, so she wouldn't be able to show up anyway. So what's going on? Design oversight? Plothole caused by a quest/level that didn't make it into the final game?

Finally, I am done with geometry of the level. Took me way longer than I thought and once again level ended up way bigger.

Now to decide on what monsters exactly do I want all those closets populated with.

>>6487578
Lotsa pinkies and shotgunners.
Also what with that geometry at 27-29 sec rising?
I guess the initial pit was supposed to be a place for you to go before raising it up, or is it a place you lower down later? Otherwise it makes no sense.

>>6487585
You start at the bottom of the pit, you go into one of the green structures and come out of the pit 1 level higher. The floor then raises to connect your exit to the next entrace. This is repeated 4 times.

It would be clearer if I were to show the entire level, but I had to cut it to fit into 120 seconds limit.

>>6487578
Getting a mix of TNT and TSOH vibes from this.

>>6487597
I suppose just like TNT I want to make my maps look like a thing. And they always end up too long. Don't know what TSOH is.

>>6486954
Nice, could be possible to have doom 2 snes. There are a few mods for 32x and Jaguar.

>>6487414
Weird, but cool. Very inventive, CrateAnon!

>>6487578
>flesh mines
I like it! Twisty and turny and making good use of level transitions.

>>6487601
TSOH = The Shores of Hell

>>6487578
Very nice looking, definitely getting a vibe of TNT mixed with Shores Of Hell

>>6487585
Seconding lots of pinkies and shotgun baldies, add some chaingunners and greenhairs too, give the player some good opportunities for infighting.

>>6487685
Fuck I am stupid. Was trying to rememver a pwad like that.

>>6486876
I'd unrionically wear that.

holy shit ashes 2063 is a fucking blast, any others post apocalyptic fallout/mad max tier total conv like this beast?

also I know I'm a dumb coomer but other than Hdoom is there a wad with cute demon girls? Pic very related.

>>6487751
Stylish Hell, Doomgals for friendly demongirls. High Noon Drifter has a big-ass titty demon as BFG replacement.

>>6487754
thanks doomgals is exactly what I was looking for, I'll feel less alone. Time to coom now

I would love to see Sigil with chaingunners, pain elementals, hell knights and the super shotty.

I think revs, archies, mancubi and arachnotrons would be a terrible fit though. I don't like the spider boss in the last level for the same reason.

>>6487929
You could probably write a ZScript patch which when loaded with Doom 2 as a pwad would add those to the levels.

>>6487751
Try Alien Eradication demo if you like alien.

Along side ashes I wish they were feature full length games.

Those yellow lost souls in Spaceballs: The Sequel remind me of mirabelle plums. Damn I'm hungry for some plums right now.

The first level of HacX is more engaging than a majority of levels for Doom 1/2, and the game would likely be better than Doom 2 overall if it wasn't for the horrific spritework
Also, Odyssey of Noises is a better city level than anything Sandy did in both appearance and design, even down to the teleporting pinky room

Yeah, I'm something of an autistic patrician myself

>>6488034
>HacX
Ooh. This is new to me, anon. TYVM for sharing, it looks interesting.

>autistic patrician
Aren't we all in this thread, literally or otherwise?

>>6488034
>HacX
I remember reading there was gonna be a 3d sequel to that but it was cancelled. Shame cus it looked like it'd be neat.

>>6488034
>horrific spritework
aw, i kinda like the goofity-ass silly putty mutants. they've got character. If i had to pick one big flaw to hold against HacX it'd be the cyberspace levels, which make Tekwar's feel like a soothing balm for the senses by comparison.

Please zoomies don't make Half Life threads here.
Your non retro garbage is ruining the board.

>>6488264
One day I will find you and rape both of your eyesockets.

>>6488293
Don't reply to him you fool. I hate his dumb ass too but replying to him is exactly what he craves, it's what sustains him.

I like Quake 1, but I don't enjoy the atmospheric soundtrack that much. However, I did like the Ghosts music tracks used for the Quake mods video in the OP. Are there any music packs that replace the tracks with something similar in theme? I would do it myself but I'm mostly unfamiliar with metal.
>>6486542
>>6486546
Mmm, eldritch demon giraffes.

>>6486542
>>6486546
Please anon give me the name of these maps, I want to see them

>>6488353
What's up with the walls?

>>6488296
he replies to himself too

I've been away from the doom modding scene for almost 2 years and in all this time there hasn't been a single hdoom update? seriously?

not gonna lie, I'm moderately disappointed.

>>6488394
It's almost like it's not a good mod

>>6488394
be the man the world needs

>>6488394
also, I think the dude was/is working on ion fury, maybe that

>>6488394
I don't understand what the fascination is with this mod

It's something that I would guess some one picks up, boots up to see the available sex animations and jerk off, and then never play it again because the novelty wore off

>>6488353
:D >:D :O :U

>>6488327
>blurred
>not crispy
what a shame

>>6488369
I think there's interlacing issues on the faces, and I probably moved my mouse slightly when I recorded that.

>>6488410
The pixel sex animations aren't even that good in terms of porn. They're well done for pixel animations I'm sure, but they don't do anything for me because of how limited they are, even for pixel animations.

>>6488410
Coomers are absolutely desperate individuals

>>6488410
You again with this? There is no fascination. Its just a mod anon. Just a mod.

Why was Quake 4 so universally despised among Quake players?
A lot of the Quake pros would play it regardless because there was money in it, but hearing people talk about it - especially on ESR - there is nothing but vitriol.

What do you think about it DOOMbros? inb4 not retro

You know, we're quite lucky really. /vr/ FPSs are quite well understood; we've been encouraged to make content since day one, we've had design docs and open-sourced engines, we've got plenty of preserved material and source ports to run it on, we've got a new audience as digital platforms re-release old games, and we've got new games coming out using those old engines.

Sure, there are TCs and mods out there for some /vr/ strategy games, and a few other things (Dungeon Siege, some flight sims) that encourage user generated content, and there are games that have been released for free (the Tribes team skirmish FPSs), but even so I reckon we pretty much have the prime position... And on top of that, unlike modern games we don't have to worry about publishers locking things down, or our stuff getting blocked by anti-cheat and anti-piracy measures.

What do you reckon, folks?

>>6488394
Because it's shite

>>6488694
The Doom modding scene is really a special thing unique to itself and the other retro FPS scenes naturally grew out of that (really FPS modding started with Wolf3D but it really became what we know it as with Doom). We are really very lucky to have a hobby with damn near limitless content and possibilities, even most other retro game fans don't have that beyond rom hacks

Hey, i just saw a review of Tresure Tech.
Are there some mappacks i should try with the mod?

>>6488692
Like Doom 3, the environments are good looking. But the move towards being more narrative-driven suffers - partly from the uncanny valley effect from NPCs, partly because this takes away the flowing, frenetic run-and-gun.

It could've been a better corridor shooter FPS, and I don't think either is necessarily a bad game. But that change, and the back-and-forth of running between point A and B, just loses what made the earlier instalments great.

>>6488702
Amen to that, friend. I admit I'm not au fait with Wolf3D or the games that preceded it (Softdisk titles?), and my knowledge of the Build engine is sketchy at best, but I don't think we would be here without id and their positive attitude to user generated content and releasing their old engines. What folks do with idTech 1 is a lot more versatile than you can manage than, say, putting out a TC for Total Annihilation, reskinning your favourite space combat game as Star Trek, or releasing texture packs for The Sims.

>>6488541
You say desperate, I say determined.

>>6488694
I played Doom for the first time at around 17, this was about 2012, retro FPSes since then have changed the way I think about videogames and what videogame communities can achieve and aspire to

>>6488709
Alfonzone and Super Mayhem 17 are my big choices

>>6488694
Certain truth there but I am not an optimist regarding videogames.

However I must say that certain videogames genres had attracted people with some genuine passion for the medium and Doom is certainly one. Which might not be bad maybe games deserve to be a small niche.

>>6488721
That's good to hear - nice to have a positive story.

>>6488727
>maybe games deserve to be a small niche
There's some truth in that, I think. Not that devs don't deserve to be commercially successful, but as both the market and the industry have grown, they've changed.

A writer named Sturgeon once proposed that "90% of everything is crap". On balance, I'd rather be in a small, high quality niche community. Not that there's anything wrong with owning a PS4 and dropping big money on endless quantites of triple-A titles, if that's your thing; we just like it here with our fellow anons, shooting the breeze and trading tips, screens and such.

>>6488734

I think videogames are in an age where its hard to pull off high quality, and many dont realize you only really need minecraft levels of grafix as long as the systems are good.

The mid market, kind like horror movies, that is appearing will become more profitable and easy to work. But really think but I think triple A has not future.

Zoomers are already on other stuff and dont care, while these ghosts of fukushima type projects get crazy more expensive and every single company is frantic trying to get monetisation to stick. Hence the remakes.
I might be wrong, maybe VR gaming will become big and singleplayer focused. Focused on the experience.

Honestly I dont give a fuck, as the years pass the games that really deserve playing never get old.

>>6488683
>Its just a mod anon
t.

>>6488692
>Why was Quake 4 so universally despised among Quake players
said nobody ever
Its campaign is better than Quake 2

>>6488692
When I was younger I usually had fantasies on remaking the Q2 campaign using Q4 as base

>>6486094
>There's 8-bit deathmatch but no MegamanX 16-bit deathmatch

>be me
>absolute brainlet, ESL and computer illiterate
>pc is absolute GARBAGE tier so I use lzdoom and run everything on low, dynamic lighting disabled + low res ( 800*600 ) + classic doom software renderer so I can play smoothly
>ashes 2063 starts to shit the bed, won't load my save no matter what despite using the same files as before with no extra mods
>try everything to no avail so I decide reluctantly to move to gzdoom
>saving works but the framerate feels "off" on my potatopc ©, opengl is bullying my laptop hard
>move back to lzdoom, my old save is now working

ok I guess

so what's the best way to play doom wads on a shit tier pc if I can't rely 100% on lzdoom?

>>6488867
Use Boom.

>>6488869
it's compatible with the most popular wads?

>>6488858
>64-bit Megaman Deathmatch
>everyone just stands around in really low-poly models typing in RP shit

>>6488875
yeah

>>6488892
good

>>6488867
Holy shit. Even my most potatos of pcs have been able to run GZDoom without even flinching. Are you in some fourth world country?

>>6486094
dear mr MEGA operator, there is both a quake engine folder and an id tech 2 folder, which is confusing and redundant

>>6486094
>>6488936
oh now i understand. id tech 2 is for quake 2 games. what confused me was that hexen ii was in that folder, and it actually uses the quake 1 engine.

>>6488920
I work shit jobs here and there in farms and other gay stuff, I picked up my pc parts in the streets, companies often get ride of them.


I also ate in the trashes for a while when I was homeless so I'm not complaining. Thanks god for emulation, old games and free stuff or I would've kill'd myself, vidya is the only thing worth living now.

>>6488904
But not with Ashes :P
Use LZDoom

>>6488949

>>6488694
Fuck Half Life tho.

>>6488982
Kinky.

>>6488692
Going off my memory playing it on console:
* Single player had weapon reloading IN A QUAKE GAME.
* It had a very unstable framerate on the 360, which was the most popular console at the time. It might have been patched if it didn't cost tens of thousands of dollars for MS to certify it, which was their policy at the time.
* It had some shitty vehicle sections
* Most of the campaign blends together outside of Stroggification
* It eventually blended in with other sci-fi shooters around this time that were were trying to ape Halo

I regret not playing the Q2 port that it came with it before selling it, that shit has a banging soundtrack.

>>6486094
Hoyl Christ on a cross is Quake 1.5 bad. Glitches out the ass, terrible enemy placement, even more bullet spongey enemies than OG Quake, a Xen-tier final level, and mechincas and a corona level that is just flat out AIDs (yes I know you can change it but why include them if they're just shit?)

Why is it so hard for modder to just make visual/gore mods with NOTHING that fucks around with the original gameplay?

>>6489062
How did you last that long? I barely played the second level and had to stop. Fuck brutal quake 1.5

I can't get into quake at all, I'm a few maps into e2 and every level just feels like a chore. and the enemies aren't fun to fight. This is after I separated myself from comparing it to doom all the time as well.

>>6489243
The answer is simple: one is a product of soul and ambition from a unanimous party, and the other is a rushed tech demo created to fuel the ego of an petulant, narcissistic robot.

>>6489253
carmack's narcissistic? I thought romero was the one with the ego but idk enough to say

>>6489253
this post was not made in good faith

>>6489243
>This is after I separated myself from comparing it to doom all the time as well.
you haven't

>>6487027
techincally there is a face in data from the DM mode

>>6487027
>>6489376
There's also Shadowcaster, that i bet anything they used this guy as the basis model for Corvus in the DM mode mugs

>>6487929
Someone should mod the whole first game like that.Question is, what map should the super shoty be introduced?

>>6489348
t. quake fanboy

>>6489418
t.doombaby

"Come and take your medicine" is one of the weirdest levels in any retro fps game ive played. The objective is simple. Follow the dotted line smash some circuits along the way and go back to the beginning. Yet you never go anywhere else on the map unless you want to. You probably wont have enough ammo to fight anything anyways and theres not much worth taking for all the trouble. Just strange all around

>>6486101
>mfw playing akeldama with russian overkill + bolognese
How can anything compare to this experience?

>>6489465
not my fault you have an unsatisfying shotgun

>>6486297
>would they have occured anyway?
eventually, yes
>would it have taken much longer?
hard to say, maybe 5 years later?

Ive been playing arcane dimensions for the majority of today and after that I played some halo 1 with my friend and playing them back to back really emphasizes how much shooters changed in just about 2-3 years.

>>6488541
Desperate? They have access to infinite cocaine. More like fulfilled.

>>6489486
Desperate?
Your turn.

I have a distinct memory dating back to when CompUSA still existed.

They carried a boxed Doom level editor kit named Doom Gulch. The name has stuck with me because I had never heard the word "gulch" before that. I don't really remember what the front of the box look liked, but the back had a screenshot of chicken-looking monster (among other screen shots), and the description talked about making your own levels and enemies.

I know that a bunch of similar shovelware existed following the release of Doom, but a bunch of googling has yet to turn up a boxed version. I also know that there's an old Doom fan map named Gulch dating back to the Compuserve era, so maybe it was just a boxed version of that map...

Does anyone have any memory of this? Is this memory completely false? Any help appreciated.

>>6489509
quit screwing around

>>6489532
We're 100% FIREBLU.

>>6489243
>>6489475
>This is after I separated myself from comparing it to doom all the time as well.
>not my fault you have an unsatisfying shotgun
Not him, but you're a lying sack of shit.

>>6489469
I just played through the whole Marathon trilogy these last couple weeks and thought the same thing. What an extremely unusual level, I feel like it must've been more expansive at first. I felt like it was emblematic of Marathon 2 as a whole, sprawling and unfocused, not nearly as good as 1 or infinity, plus a much less interesting narrative. Kind of reminded me of the problems that Doom 2 has compared to 1 actually

>>6488746
I'm inclined to agree with you, anon.

Why? Well, the industry (both hardware and software) is throwing a lot of money at performance. Trying to make huge open worlds with increasingly realistic graphics, and massively complex interactivity and narratives. The scale and the interactivity I get, the narrative I like, but something is going wrong; I've tried modern games and I don't find them satisfying. They get too repetitive and grindy, and the control schemes can be frustratingly complex.

/vr/ just seems to do it better. A game from before 2000-ish is just more fun to me, more satisfying. That's not to say there aren't limit-pushing (Doom, Resident Evil), complex (Elite), or narratively interesting (Ultima VI) games I've played back then. Or that there aren't brilliant games made today (Doom 2016, Star Trek Bridge Crew). I guess the trick is that you do one thing really well and make that your selling point, rather than trying to do everything.

I think the indie devs get that, and work with a more limited scope. Even some of the bigger players like 3D Realms do, too.

>>6489062
>Quake 1.5
I watched a gameplay video and thought it looked pretty good, but if it's really so bad I might give it a swerve.

>>6489510
There's a huge collection of shovelware in the OP links, and I think there's a ton on archive.org too. The name doesn't ring a bell, but that doesn't mean it isn't out there. Fingers crossed you find it.

What do you think using a soulsphere feels like?

Any fun mods for Wolf3d?

>>6489705
I swear I've seen old time ago a mod called "America the Ugly", where you fight neo-Nazis and one of the bosses was a machine gunner on a jeep. Can't find it, though, googling it only gives me some retarded modern "#punchthenazi" mod.

>>6489721
Maybe it's this? https://wl6.fandom.com/wiki/Amerika_The_Beautiful

>>6489705
iirc theres one or two mods being made for ECWolf that try to do slightly more than vanilla Wolf3d, otherwise all i can remember is wolf3d mods that just always reuse Doom assets poorly

>>6489728
Ooh, Laz Rojas mod? He used to do great work for Elite Force.

>>6489728
Yes, that's it. Also this flag is hilarious - it can offend both sides of Ukrainian civil war.

http://lazrojas.com/index.html
Okay, this is pure .999 gold. Shades of fucking Orson Welles.

>>6489762
https://wl6.fandom.com/wiki/Bruce_Ryder#WolfAddict.27s_Downfall_and_Legal_Issues
>he worked with a child rapist that owned a bootleg wolfenstein modding company
Raz... had a hard life.

>>6489469
There's a terminal with a "friendly" compiler who tries to communicate with you. IIRC, he says that if you kill him you will set his entire group free. However, the M2 engine doesn't support AI changing allegiance in real time. I'm pretty sure they had more planned for this level but it didn't work out

>>6489776
And I see hamburger tranny was involved in all that thing somehow.

Any good and little-known TCs?

>>6489762
Not the first site I've seen like that... some were serious, some were deliberately ironic, all were comedy gold. Remember Mahir, the "I kiss you!" guy?

But back when I was playing Elite Force, this guy was one of the top tier content producers. This pack, for instance:
http://lazrojas.com/elitefarce/maps/ctf_tos1/ctf_tos1.html

When you consider the limits of the tech, he did a pretty brilliant job of making maps - especially 1960s-themed ones. And a lot of skins too!

(Is EF too recent to be /vr/? I'm long since over my Trekkie phase, but I still get nostalgic for the 1960s thing and those mods...)

>>6486094
I haven't played Doom since shortly after it released back then, but I always love stopping by these threads for the based OP images.

Thank you, based OP. This one and SPHERICAL are some of my favorites.

Yes or no?

Guys, do you play duke with 3d environment models?
Personally, I can't stand the lopsided fucking boxes and buildings.
That shit just ruins it for me.

>>6489801
yes

>>6489801
That looks good!

What's the deal? I'm intrigued, but like the demo of Quake II with RTX, I'd like to see more before I make a judgement.

>>6489820
LZDoom + Reshade + McFly RT Shader

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYjrc9yLQjs

>>6489823
The ray tracing is cool and all but jesus christ, everything else on that video fucking blows.

>>6489735
Is there anything he can't do?

>>6489823
Looks promising, but I'm guessing that everything has had to be remade in 3D.

Like the nVidia demo, it's impressive but I'm not 100% sold; I prefer the original. Doesn't mean it isn't a fantastic achievement though, and I'll be keeping an eye on this to see where it goes.

>>6489854
Humility? Or achieve commercial success in the field, I suppose.

>>6489839
The shader fucks up the sprites, so they look semi-transparent, so I had to use 3D models. And I only found Doom Remake 4 mod which had them. However it had 3D models for weapons as well which caused depth buffering issues. It was a pain to modify Doom Remake 4 to use Smooth Doom weapons as the mod had very fucked up file structure.

No problem with Blood Fresh Supply though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd5hocbgvps (only weapons are fucked)

>>6489563
shoot, you're right...

Where can I find a disc image of DOOM2F.WAD? I know it's floating around, but I'd like a version with the original date modified for archival purposes.

how do i go about emulating doom on android?
google isn't exactly helpful and i'm not downloading shady shit from the appstore especially when it was made by sashka ivanov and has a 2star rating

>>6489886
Freedoom
the controls are garbage tho

>>6489892
...or Delta Touch for a few bucks more

>>6489886
you can buy delta touch on the android store, yeah it's not free ( it's like 2 buck or something? ) but it's a great fucking engine and I used it to play doom a lot with bluetooth mouse + keyboard on my cheap phone when I was stuck outside.

>>6489892
eh, i can manage
beat the entirety of q1 on nm on a symbian phone like 10 years ago
>>6489896
>almost 5 stars
okay, nice
not gonna lie emulating the GBA versions felt awful and not at all like i remember them playing on the handheld itself

>>6489892
>freedoom

inferior to delta touch ...... BUT I don't regret installing it back then just for THIS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iNLWdpWkHM

>>6489910
>Doom pics
>Animal Crossing
What's next, a playable source port so you can beat Tom Nook at Skulltag?

>>6489903
who the fuck are right side duo?

>>6489947
you better be jestin

>>6489947
John Edge and japanese sun tzu

>>6489962
no that's john blood, living again marine and john shadow warrior, ancient chinese marine

>>6489903
Surprisingly accurate, considering how Hank is a straight man and his friends are all dipshits.

>>6489950
I'm serious. if it's not for some weeb inside joke I'll be shamed.

>>6489994
how do you participate in a retro fps thread without knowing who caleb and lo wang are

>>6489994
"All right Anon, your clue is: These two wise-cracking gunslingers are the leads in what constitute the Holy Trinity of Build Engine Games, alongside Duke Nukem."

>>6489886
PRBoom thru Retroarch

>>6486101
Was Akeldama released anywhere else? It says it was released 3 days ago but I already had it in my maps folder since May 21st, apparently.

>>6489823
Why do people do this

>>6490031
need i remind you of the abomination that is wolfram
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWaWNYggA7A

>>6490007
>>6490013
Blood? shadow warrior?

are or not, both are on my external hdd yet to play for about 20 years. shamed.

>>6490035
Voxelstein died for this shit.

fuck yeah

https://gamerant.com/doom-2-mod-mel-brooks-spaceballs/

https://www.pcgamesn.com/doom/spaceballs-wad

>>6490035
I don't think that looks bad, actually.

>>6490045
Voxelstein? Sounds interesting...

>>6489801
It's worthless if your materials don't provide the proper values for the RT to work with.

>>6489947
You need to go back zoomer

>>6489823
>everything is high res and has normal maps
>except for sprites which stick now out like a sore thumb
disgusting

>>6490054
I really, really dig the atmosphere in this WAD. That trashy old-school sci-fi look. Gameplay so far seems good as well, maps are just the right size for the nosave playthrough. That Gamerant review just reeks of normie, though.

i can't map

>>6490112

Dbp usually hit the sweet spot when it comes to length. Most of the time they're 8 - 12 min long. You'll wanna save on the later maps though

>>6486887
>https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/107015-wad-progression-for-skill-improvement/
Welp, time to torture myself.

>>6490138
i don't get this reference

Demon bastards. Damn.

>>6490035
Get AWAY! That doesn't exist. NOPE.

>>6490246
it pains me that the last good duke gaem came out in 2002 and isn't even an fps

>>6490165
>>6487071
>>6486923
>>6486887
Since that skill progression thread stopped getting updated, I ended up trying to expand it and update it myself and this is what I came up with

Let me know what you think about it, there's plenty I'm not sure about in it
https://pastebin.com/W0fLEbz3

>>6489243
>I separated myself from comparing it to doom
No you didn't.

>>6489253
Fag.

>>6489705
Totenkopf SDL Edition

Hi guys, am I welcome here?

>>6490250
Shame we can't talk about that for another 2 years. Good game though.

>>6490310
you will once you tell me how to say your name
are you
SUPER 3D NOAH'S ARK
SUPER NOAH'S ARK 3D
SUPER NOAH'S 3D ARK
>>6490313
very good, arguably the last good source of dook's oneliners

>>6490313
>

>>6490315
>SUPER 3D NOAH'S ARK
that one, it's on the steam store that way

>>6489776
>On an unknown date, members of WolfAddict received an email from Ryder's wife Jennifer informing them that she had expelled Bruce from her house after she learned he had molested her young daughters (his stepdaughters).
>According to Laz Rojas, Ryder then contacted him via email from a friend's house to confirm the accusations which resulted in Rojas resigning from the company despite Ryder's pleas for him to stay aboard.

>>6490315
DON'T DEAD
OPEN INSIDE

>>6489823
OK anon, I've rewatched that now - and had the chance to check out your channel too, and seen your other RTX experiments.

I don't think they are for me, but I'm not going to deny they are impressive and run well. I'd be interested to know what it was you did to achieve this, as you've noted here and on your videos about the other mods used.

(That's not "you didn't do that!" - seriously, I'm genuinely interested in how you assembled the various pieces)

If anyone found a way to bring raytracing in a way that looked more like Minecraft or traditional Doom (for example, putting sprites on a flat poly so they kept the pixel look), I'd probably play the heck out of that; if you ignore the 3D models replacing sprites, the textures all seem very glossy/metallic to me. But don't let that detract from anything; I'm impressed and you achieved something I couldn't! I hope you're happy with your results

>>6489881
There's a lot of different stuff in archives around the place... is that the free one? I've been playing the shareware Doom E1 WAD out of nostalgic curiosity and have managed to track down the comparable version of Quake too...

>>6489801
Something looks wrong about it, I don't like it, at least not how it's done here.

>>6489801
quake 1.5 dropped my frames from 144 to 60 when i enabled rt
and the quality 'gain' is questionable

Doom Slayer Chronicles or Blood: The Curse Hunter ?

>>6490443
disgusting
is this tenebrae

>>6489781
Ah i see. So you must have had to help out a group of S'pht then but it got cut out. Weird that they didnt even try to do something else. Time issue guess

>>6490443
>texture filtering
>washed out normal maps
why are people doing this?

>>6490443
It's like we've gone back to Doomworld gamma.

>>6488692
I like this game and I like quake wars

>>6489801
guess

>>6489643
Yeah marathon seemed like a tech demo sometimes AMBIENT SOUND AND WATER, BABY!!

>>6490494
Was Marathon really the first to feature ambiance sound and swimmable water?

>>6490364
>>6489801
It looks wrong because shit reflects off of what's supposed to be concrete.
RT needs proper PBR to be supported in-engine, and GZDoom has only like a quarter of required PBR features, and absolutely no good PBR pack that takes advantage of even those features.

We need a good normal/reflect/rough/parallax mapping for original (non-HD) textures.
Duke World Tour made it with just normals and roughness mapping, and it looked quite decent.

>>6490515
Duke World Tour doesn't try this "PBR" shit. No retro game needs this desu.

>>6490501
No, but it was the first time for their engine.

>>6490515
>Duke World Tour made it with just normals and roughness mapping, and it looked quite decent.
It really did look quite nice with the dynamic lights and all.

>>6490501
Ambient sound - Nope. That was Heretic. Came out a few month before Marathon.

>>6490530
It uses normalmaps and roughness to get self-shading textures with a little bit of light diffusion on top. That IS how PBR works in hands of people who actually know what they are doing.

PBR is not just "Glossy, bumpy and reflective" like this shit >>6489801 >>6489823
might lead you to believe

>>6489823
it's like you can't just put raytracing on everything

>>6490557
Still no PRB renderer, lol. PBR is a fraud anyways, so many implementations, so much of it not really physically correct, it's BS.
Having PBR materials on top of old style diffuse maps is hacky and pointless at best.

t. 3D artist

>>6490564
doesen't matter if it looks good
duke looks good
this shit isn't
what's your point

>>6486094
Should we consider Hell Hunt /vr/? The same way Wrath and Ion Fury are.

>>6490583
Exactly my point. Duke looks good without having a real PBR renderer. This shit doesn't.

>>6490596
not what you said

>>6490587
>Hell Hunt
Looks really weird. It combines decently detailed geometry with weapons that aren't well designed/detailed at all, and monsters of widely varying degree of detalisation. My assumption is that the artist isn't that much familliar with typical designs of the era he tries to emulate and thus fluctuates between requirement for simplicity and desire to convey complexity, resulting in a weird mishmash.

>>6490605
Stop lying you POS

would you?

>>6487213
I like the limits vanilla gives me. If I had unlimited power I'd probably put way too much time on useless shit.

>>6490663
Off model so no.

>>6490610
it just keeps happening

>>6486094
What are some good cave/dungeon/crypt-themed levels?

>>6490672
I think limits are good - it's an interesting and challenging constraint and stops clueless newbies like me going nuts.WAD

>>6490663
Eh, I've had worse.

>>6488692
The art direction for the Strogg is fucking awful and it just doesn't play as good as it could if it was balanced a little better with regards to the encounters.

>>6490663
probably
>>6490587
From what I've played of it, it seems neat, but the movement feels a bit odd, but that's probably because I've been spoiled with air strafing and air control to the point where simply running around feels too simplistic for me (not that it can't be fun tho). That, and I wish you could preserve the momentum you get while dashing, but that'd probably fuck with the overall balancing. Funny how FPS games that have dashing these days don't have that.

Also why the goddamn fuck do early builds of certain games prevent you from changing controls or video settings like in this build? Shouldn't that be like one of the first things you make sure you can change right out the door? It doesn't ruin the game, nor does it ruin any other game, but Jesus Christ I will never understand that. Neither of these are retro, but it's like how that game Bright Memory doesn't allow you to change controls yet, or how Payday 2 took THREE GODDAMN YEARS to add Anti Aliasing in its graphics menu. How the fuck do you forget or not figure out how to make sure the most basic elements of game configuration are able to be changed right out the door on your first build that's not just a simple test room in Unity or UE?

>>6490716
The movement is actually just retarded. Strafing in any angle is faster than moving forward and backwards.

>>6490720
like Doom?

>>6490663
No, im catholic.

>>6489405
In map2 already. In fact the lack of SSG is only problematic in map 2 and 3. The rest of the levels have advanced weapons to deal with barons.

>>6490587
>Unity
No. Ion Fury & Wrath only get passes because they're based on source ports of retro games.

>>6489823

>>6490817
>photo of the screen
surefire way way to shoot whatever argument you had in the foot

>lost souls with no ssg
I hate anyone who does this

>>6489823
Damn them UAC boys polished everything good huh?

>>6490845
>lost soul
>has two SSG barrels in its mouth
>charges you, satops at 2-3 m away and unleashes both barrels
>kicked back 3-4 meters by recoil

>>6490770
In Doom it's only if you're facing the strafe diagonally, I'm pretty sure. The momentum in Hell Hunt also feels off, it's like you're a kart

>>6490397
that's because you weren't using romi's rt lights that optimize that shit

>>6490887
is it even compatible?
They both edit same levels

>>6489896
>>6489910
>>6489903
>but it's a great fucking engine
because it's GZdoom, an open source software. The faggot selling it is doing something illegal and immoral and no one should be supporting him by buying it
>>6489886
As others said, Freedoom is a nice alternative, but I would rather PIRATE Delta Touch for the reasons stated above (aapks and apkpure are good sites for this).
There's also an android sourceport for Quake called Quakedroid, that is fucking great because it implements an unique function that lets you shoot wherever you tap on the screen, making it actually playable on touchscreen devices. Here http://quakeone.com/quakedroid/
It also supports LAN coop and it's a blast to play with friends

>>6490907
are you talking about quake's original sp campaign + 1.5? if so yes, there shouldn't be any problems. 1.5's custom levels? full rt lights don't even work on those

>>6489886
I use retroarch

>>6490930
>because it's GZdoom, an open source software. The faggot selling it is doing something illegal and immoral and no one should be supporting him by buying it

He opened the source for his fork of GZDoom a long while ago, in fact FreeDoom that's on the PlayMarket is literally repackaged fork of his work with his name and most of the interface removed.
The frontend he is running it on is not included since it's completely separate from the engines, but he does sends the code if you request it (after you buy any of his Touch ports - he also has Jedi Outcast/Academy, RTCW and Q1/2 ports using same frontend)
So he's completely legally and morally covered regarding the GPL concerns.
The only cracked versions that exists are old ones with GZDoom versions before ZScript. He implemented some sort of verification on the first launch that generates and sends you the key based on hardware and IMEI. Hasn't been cracked so far.

Whats the best way to play Deus Ex these days? I downloaded the GOG version and it almost works perfectly except the gamma slider doesn't do anything.

>>6490845
The regular shotgun is fast, just deal with it.

>>6491097
Kenties launcher

>>6490797
Should we make it a young boy then to appeal to you

Should i play heretic on the hardest difficulty for my first time?

>>6491097
Deus Exe

>Look up OST of a WAD I really like on youtube
>Read the comments out of curiosity
>Some guy says: "one of the best megawads I've ever played"
>Oh cool nice taste ma-
>"Especially in combination with complex doom v26.a2 and LCA 1.5.9"

Why are people like this

>>6491216
What is complex Doom?

>>6491227
Started as a vanilla+ Mod and has since then mutated into a fucking mess with the clusterfuck additions that add supercharged random monster replacements that can nuke entire rooms and one shot you, and you in turn find super legendary random weapon drops that let you one shot everything except for the super legendary monsters that one shot you.
One of the more popular mods on Zandronum online.

>>6491227
Something played by Russians on zandronum with shitty maps and three thousand minimods no one ever heard of.

>>6491231
>>6491230
I really don't understand the appeal. It's even more hopelessly convoluted than brutal dewm.

>>6491235
I think people play it because that's what's being played on Zandronum.
RGA2 is better.

>>6491202
Play on the UV equivalent, Thou art a smite-meister. Heretic is pretty easy regardless of skill setting..

>>6491235
It's fun in multiplayer with unlimited lives where sometimes several players are required to beat one enemy that spawned as overpowered minibosss variant

>>6491206
Surely you mean Deus.EXE?

>>6491216
Sounds like a great WAD (which one), but a YouTuber who would move his bowels on a Delft plate "because it's an add-on".

Anyone a fan of FPSs for non-PC platforms? I played a couple of console ones way back in the day, like Alien Trilogy, but the first ones I properly played after Doom E1 were on the Amiga. Gloom and Breathless, I think.

Always wondered if the Alien Breed FPS was any good, because the top-down shooters were fun. Had a look on YouTube - actually it looks pretty bad. But hey, people are still porting Doom and Doomlike games to the Amiga!

Alien Breed.WAD when?

>>6491202
>>6491238
no.
Play on hardest.
Unlike Dooms UV, monsters don't respawn on Black Plague, but their movement, reactions and their projecties are faster
much more fun.

>>6491237
>RGA2
>Call of Duty 4 in Doom
but why

>>6490494
The first example of Room over Room in Marathon 1, at least as far as I noticed, uses a completely empty room that serves no other purpose than to be on top of another room, I found that quite funny.

>>6491254
I don't know. But the monsters that come with that mod are fucking amazing.

>>6490096
already in your moms room

>>6491250
Yeah i went ahead and am playing on black plague. As long as the monsters dont respawn im golden.

>>6491250
You get more ammo too, so there's less plinking away with the wand/crossbow. Same for Hexen. Raven actually knew how to make an engaging top difficulty.

>>6488417
What would Blurred DOOM be like as a sourceport?

>>6491336
That's just GZDoom by default

How can Graf prefer Doom with filters on? What kind of brain damage is it?

>>6491360
The same kind that makes people do this >>6489823
It's called "lack of taste"

>>6491368
I cant at least understand that - it makes doom look more 'realistic', 'high-res', or whatever, even if I still find it ugly as hell. But filtered textures just look like garbled mess, it doesn't look appealing under any standard I can think of. It just boggles my mind.

>>6491360
t. Kegan the Graf Despiser

>>6491368
I also don't understand why the fuck he'd make "Dark" sector lighting the default. I can understand that "Vanilla" might not be a good default because of gameplay mods, but why not go with "Standard" then so at least you can...you know...SEE shit?

Or why he'd make Billboards X-axis only instead of X-Y axis. Why would anyone want everything looking like cardboard cutouts from above/below?

>>6491374
I haven't sucked anywhere near enough cocks to be Kegan.

>>6491295
my mother is too old for you kid

>>6491374
I don't despise him.

>>6491379
Ah fuck you, leatherman.

>>6491391
fug u kegan

does anyone know of any tutorials for just making overall good maps in general?

Playthrough video of map22 of 200 minutes of /vr/ is up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LmfYBNbQd0

>>6491376
"Standard" calculates light level completely differently.
Dark and Doom do the lighting in steps of 32, like original. And original light only goes up to 192, it does not become brighter after that - it's used for some light blinking/strobe effects.
Standard goes for a wide range and does so gradually, and calculates it differently, and is also meant to be used with dynamic lighting present in the level. Result is that there's much less contrast between light and dark. There are quite a few outdoor maps where overhang part casts a shadow, that is clearly visible in Doom/Dark/Software/Vanilla, but pretty much indistinguishable at Standard.

Billboards are weird complaint since its a toggleable option, both in option meny and can be forced on actor basis via decorate/zscript.
What I'd like is and option for limited Y-axis billboarding like how Doomsday does it, but apparently there are some technical difficulties with that.

>>6491431
Who plays GZDoom without dynamic lighting? It's like one of the entire reasons you'd bother with the fucking thing

>>6491423
I wouldn't call them tutorials, but if you're interested in making maps, Evolution Of The Wad is pretty entertaining, and gives some perspective on maps.
Pretty long though.

>>6489823
>turns on the automap
>
The longer I watch the worse this gets

I'm convinced only Minecraft zoomers are obsessed with crispy textures; the rest of us were running GLQuake back in '97

>>6491438
I meant placed on the level as actual sources of illumination, not tiny bright splotches that never go further than 2m from the source.

>>6491456
Then you're convinced of something retarded, blur filters always looked bad for Quake and Doom because their textures are not designed for it.
A game which IS designed around it would be Goldeneye (among most N64 games), and it looks weird without it.

>>6491431
>>6491463
Still, I don't know why Dark should be the default. At least Doom would be a better fit if you absolutely don't want the "doomguy emits light" effect in certain gameplay mods like Hideous Destructor

>>6491473
I think you have Dark and Dom mixed up there

>>6491456
Not true. Even back then I didn't like some games smudged textures.
Remember for example preferring to play monster madness 2 with no filter.

Or even Homeworld 1.

Depended on the game.

>>6491478
Dark is the default in GZDoom, I'm completely certain of that. Which is what I'm complaining about. It makes everything look way too dark without the "Doomguy glow". At least with Doom light mode you can see things, so you don't miss the glow as much. If you do want the glow and the software renderer look, you go with Vanilla, but like I said I understand why this shouldn't be a default, because some gameplay mods (like Hid Dest) could suffer for it (for example, messing with the light amplification goggles)

>all this arguing
>meanwhile my dark lightmode + con+bright config for high contrast between different light level areas and darkness that is not pitch-black
>requires Vulkan since it treats con/bright differently, opengl looks washed out while on Vulkan it looks good.

>>6491456

>>6488890
>it's just Mega Man Legends 32-bit Deathmatch with blurry textures and compressed sound

>>6491490
if only all of us could be as enlightened as you, anon.

>>6491490
I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your literature...

>>6491423
Do what John Romero told us.

Hell's maw was annoying but fun. The auto aim distance is so finnicky etheral bow shots would just fly above the skeleton bastards heads. Really tempted to just turn on full mouselook and disable aim assist.Also fuck the wings of wrath unless im dumb and you can control the altitude. Got killed because i couldnt aim at the necromancers since i was too high and i wasted my invincibility ring aimlessly floating.

Have some post-Quake 1 Romero/iD drama, /vr/

Paul Steed fucking told Romero, didn't he?

>>6491563
With all that bickering, still Romero had no choice but to admit that Quake 2 was one of the best games he had ever played. Absolutely based.

>>6491563
Here is the final bit, Carmack getting in on the smack talk a bit.
>>6491568
That's true, he did.

>>6491568
>>6491574
Quake 2 fans still seething to this very day. Impressive to see.

>>6491563
>"The F-40 got hit."
>"Carma"
What a cheeky cunt

>>6491585
He still said it.

>>6491586
They were petty times.

>doing no save for fun
>die at the very end because there was a boss in one of the secrets i wasnt ready for
>lose will to play
Well ill try again tomorrow

>>6491639
This just happened with me lol

>>6487297
>>6487320
These recommendations are pretty nice. What about monster mods? I don't know of any sadly

>>6490930
>>6490961
Doesn't Delta Touch include Zandronum as well? How legal is it to sell something with it?

>>6491563
Which book is it from? Masters of Doom?

>>6491563
Paul Steed was an angry, often drunk and crude ass hat, but damn did he model and texture some nice tits.

>>6491723
id needed a chad after Romero left, Paul filled that position.

I just knew that he died under unknown circumstances.

RIP chad Steed

>>6491734
Didn't he have a heart attack?

>>6491747
Some said execissive drinking, some said heart attack, but nothing official.

>>6491759
Suicide was also suggested a few times, which would be entirely possible given the lack of info beyond 'sudden.'

>>6491639
shit like this made me the savescummer I am today

>>6491778
Could be. Since we didn't about him for quite some time until his death.

Maybe sick or something...Drinking, drugs and women..

>>6491785
weak

>>6491803
at least I have fun... you know... what games are for...

>>6491804
very weak

>>6491785
>>6491804
bro just Play on skill 2 (or 1) with pistol start using no saves, playing the maps until you know where the enemies and secrets are and easing yourself up to skill 3, then to skill 4. If you need saves to beat a map the difficulty is clearly set too high for your ability.

>>6491810
really? I don't feel like investing that much time into a level. It's supposed to be fun, not a sport.

>If you need saves to beat a map the difficulty is clearly set too high for your ability.
except Doom is a heavy RNG game where you can die fom a single Revenant rocket or leave nearly unscathed, making skill secondary to luck.

Am i going crazy or does caleb do a a little chant in latin? I swear i heard it before but i cant find it.

>>6491814
addition: I always go UV and I do replay levels I'm familiar with without saves though. On a first playthrough, I always go with saves.
Doesn't mean I need the saves, they're just to make sure I don't waste my time. It's more about loading, but that depends very highly on the gameplay.

>>6491423
Just analyze and steal from the levels you like. Study their design choices, layouts, gameplay, detail, etc., inevitably you'll still end up with your own style.
If you still need a tutorial, just give it up. Those are for wussies. You think they had tutorials or courses back when they were making the Doom, or Duke Nukem 3D levels? They barely had any reference at all.

And to clarify what killed me was the lichking head in the secret area of e2m2 in heretic. I was already at like 35 health and it pushed me into a pool of molten rock that killed me. It was totally my fault since ive never played heretic and im playing it on the hardest difficulty

>>6491785
I used to savescum a lot. It's worth trying to dial it down some, it'll make the game more fun to play.
Try to get into the habit of saving before exiting a level, and saving before picking up a key.

>>6491863
I only savescum in blood

>>6491639
>doing no save
>game crashes
never again

It took me way, way too long to realize 'freedoom' is a play on freedom.

No monkey is safe from me. All apes get the grapes

Someone uploaded the Q2 TOTAL DESTRUCTION CD into Moddb archives
https://www.moddb.com/games/quake-2/addons/quake-iitotal-destruction
https://www.moddb.com/games/quake-2/addons/juggernautthe-new-story-for-quake-ii

>>6491826

>If you still need a tutorial, just give it up. Those are for wussies. You think they had tutorials or courses back when they were making the Doom, or Duke Nukem 3D levels? They barely had any reference at all.

>>6492116
>picking a single bad designer in a crowd of good ones
You have him as reference for what NOT to do.

>>6491716
Yep

>>6491810
Problem with this mindset is that it expects people to beat the same map multiple times. Some people might not want to nor have the time to do that.
Alongside this, Skill 1/2 balance is almost never done well. It's either too babied to the point that the encounters are no longer what the map was designed for (This alone can make a bad first impression), or not much is changed at all from higher skill levels (if there even are changes), that replaying after first completion will simply get monotonous more than anything. Skill 3 to a lesser extent is often neglected too, but there are some mapsets that do give it care, so it can be a bit inconsistent between different mapsets.

I get that people like to hate on savescumming, but even speedrunners use saves when practising levels before making serious attempts at runs.

I find it both easier and more fun to run past and maneuver around the horde of demons at the end of a map to get to the exit instead of fighting them off.

>>6492127
Sounds like you got SANDED.

>>6492127
Not everything by Sandy worked, but the stuff that did, you can already see in many pwads.

>>6492318
Which is why many pwads are trash.

>>6491839
You know the green ghost head artifact? The ONLY real use it has is that it makes you immmune to the annoying tornado thing attack. It doesn't do shit against other enemies. You can also bind the controls to fly up and down, the default is page up and page down.

>>6492332
Even John Romero took some influence from Petersen in his Doom 2, TFC, and Sigil maps.

>>6492374
Proving my point.