/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6480346
SMB2 Japan is a retelling of the original story. SMB2 USA is a dream.

SMB3 is arguably a play, but let's assume the events are real. World 1 appears to be the mushroom kingdom itself (the king is Peach's father, and the hills have eyes which is indicative of the mushroom kingdom). The other worlds are six neighboring kingdoms ruled by other kings. The last world is King Bowser's domain.

SMW takes place in the exotic Dinosaur Island, which appears to be part of the Mushroom Kingdom.

Mario Land 1 takes place in Sarasaland, a kingdom divided in 4 sub-kingdoms based on real-world locations, all ruled by Daisy. The royal castle itself (which we never see in the game) is in the Birabuto sub-kingdom, a desert land based on Egypt, which explains Daisy's skin color in her early appearances.

Mario Land 2 takes place in Mario's private island turned theme park, which Peach gifted him as a reward.

>>6480346
>>6480348
Mario 64 takes place in Peach's castle. The levels are not "real" places, but rather magical paintings that contain pocket universes. These painting worlds are mostly "frozen" in time and don't really progress or advance beyond what's depicted in the painting. Everything beyond the level borders is empty, since these universes have nothing in them except the parts shown on the painting. They might be based on real places from the mushroom kingdom that the artist preserved forever in his works, so they are probably stuck in the past and don't look like their current versions in the real world.

Mario Sunshine takes place in Isle Delfino.

Mario Galaxy takes place all over the universe, which collapses at the end. Mario's home galaxy is reborn as a weird fusion of different galaxies after the new big bang.

Mario Odyssey takes place in different kingdoms, like SMB3.

What do you think of the Yoshi Island and NSMB retcons?

Mario is no longer a normal guy who found a magical pipe to another world. He's now a baby born in the mushroom kingdom. And he's apparently Peach's age, rather than a middle aged guy. Lame. NSMB copied SMB3 without understanding it. The mushroom kingdom doesn't have its own identity anymore (SMB1 and World 1 of SMB3). Now it's a collection of different, clashing environments. It has a desert, an ice zone, a sky zone, a huge sea zone, etc. Those environments were never part of the mushroom kingdom, they were retcons. In SMB3, these tropey environemtns were straight up different kingdoms, while SMB1 made it very clear that the mushroom kingdom was a land of giant mushrooms and bridges, with no other environments in sight.

INTERESTING LOOKING MARBLED BLOCK

>>6480351
In Galaxy 2 one of the galaxies is Whomp's Fortress, the paintings may actually be portals to other planets.

>>6480346
>>6480348
>>6480351
Also, I think it's pretty interesting how Wario took over the Land series.

He just popped into existence as a bizarre Mario doppelganger in Land 2, because why not. Then he took over his private island/theme park, making it his own and brainwashing all the workers with dark magic.

In Wario Land 1, he tries to steal a golden statue of Princess Peach, but a bunch of pirates steal it first. He fights the pirates and gets the statue, but Mario comes up and steals it back. Wario is left with a magic lamp that belonged to the pirate leader, so he uses it to wish for a castle of his own.

In Wario Land 2, it's suggested that he used the other two wishes to wish for immortality and tons of treasure to put inside his castle. He has some more adventures here.

In Wario Land 3, he finds a magical music box that traps him inside. Looking for a way out, he is forced to help a mysterious figure that promises to let him out keeping any treasure he finds. The figure turns out to be an evil clown that turned the inhabitants into monsters. Before the final battle, he CANCELS Wario's immortality to make a game over possible. In the end Wario wins, but he's no longer immortal after the ending.

In Wario Land 4, a now mortal Wario lives in the city and owns a car (even a badass like him shouldn't live in the middle of the forest after becoming mortal again, it's kinda dangerous). He explores a pyramid and accidentally unleashes an ancient curse and shit. He ends up helping the ghost of the princess that used to live there in the distant past. During the pyramid adventure, he learns of some sick minigames and this gives him some ideas. This is the birth of Wario Ware.

>>6480351
Don't forget the Odyssey retcon where "Brooklyn" is changed to New Donk City.

>>6480361
I guess so, but I don't like retcons made decades after the fact, so I don't really count that as canon. Especially coming from a game influenced by Miyamoto's obsession with removing any sort of interesting lore or story whatsoever.

I get that gameplay is the most important part, and I get that Miyamoto is afraid of Mario turning into a Sonic-tier cringefest if his games have any sort of "story". But going so far in the opposite direction is stupid and makes the games feel soulless/lacking in atmosphere.

Mario doesn't need complex lore or a proper story, but one of the reason his games are so charming and fun (beyond the gameplay itself) is the character of Mario and the strange world he inhabits. Intentionally making Mario boring instead of embracing the Brooklyn thing, intentionally making all the stories exactly the same because "it doesn't need a story", intentionally making all the environments bland and repetitive, etc. It's harmful to our enjoyment of the games, no matter how good the gameplay is.

Why the fuck did they make his hair brown?

>>6480421
due to hardware limitations on the nes

>>6480427
Isn't his hair the same color as the mustache on the sprite? I mean why the artwork always had him with two different colors. It's such as strange choice.

Is Peach the only humanoid mushroom-person, who also happens to be much taller than a human? Or is Mario just a midget before he gains the power of the mushroom?

>>6480346
Soulful Mario.

have you ever beaten it?

>>6480793
The piano is actually a chain chomp that was mutilated and molded into a piano.

>>6480793
I bought this with the game. It was of very little help.

I love Sunshine, but I can't help but associate Mario's model with the soulless shit they produced between that and Odyssey.

Why would you ever want to talk about Mario lore.

>>6480906
It's fun to think about. Lore doesn't have to be complex to be interesting.

How do you feel about Mario's voice? Martined did as stellar job on Mario 64, his voice is fucking iconic. But at the same time, I unironically liked his portrayal before that, with the cartoon voice and Lou Albano playing him. That gruff voice seems weird now, but it's strangely fun to listen to. Maybe it's because I associate it with MAMA LUIGI and other memes.

Speaking of Luigi, does anyone else dislike how flanderized he has become? He used to have a different personality in the old days. Hell, during Waluigi's first appearance in Mario Tennis Luigi straight up tells him he's not afraid. I feel that since Luigi's mansion the character has been turned into a pussy that is afraid of fucking everything. It's not that bad, but it feels overdone these days. I miss old Luigi.

>>6480898
I also don't like the fact that Yoshi is in the game. They use the ugly ass perfect-sphere-for-a-nose Yoshi model, which is terrible. And they make Mario ride him, which looks really bad because nu-Yoshi's design doesn't work as a mount at all.

I feel the next 2d Mario will have to... switch things up a bit. Why have the same few environments (grass, desert, jungle, ice, sky, lava etc) over and over and over again? It's been done to death. Go crazy! What about a factory level with conveyor belts and robots? A shiny neon pinball level? A spaceship level? A circus with trapezes and trampolines? A lush garden with exotic plants? Rainbow road? There are literally infinite possibilities. I don't care if there are less levels. Make them unique and crazy! I don't care if the platforming is a liiitle less tight. And the artstyle. Give it a revamp. Maybe something cell shaded, or watercolor looking. Or a cartoony style like the original boxarts. Make it distinct and unique.

>>6480898
I love Mario as much as the next guy, but lately I've been disappointed with his more recent platforming outings. The NSMB games and 3D World in particular. Compared to games like Galaxy or 64, they just feel so... safe and unambitious. Not only that, but they also suffer from this soulless, lifeless, plastic toy aesthetic that just makes them uncomfortable to look at for a long period of time. It makes the world that Mario in-habits feel cold, and sterile.

>>6480793
that retard should actually be sued for writing up this garbage.

>>6480346
and they say sonic fans are autistic...

Yoshi is a bitch

>>6480368
i always had a weird headcanon that wario was mario's landlord back in brooklyn and him taking over mario's castle was comeuppance for all the rent mario owed

I thought mario being from the USA was just Nintendo Power/NoA headcanon.
To nintendo, mario always was just the videogame guy, who could take on any role and job as each game demanded, remember he was also referee for various sports and had some more jobs in the Game & Watch devices. In the end he was cast as an unlikely fantasy hero in a typical story about a princess and an evil king (SMB1 has the same plot as the first Dragon Quest, in a way) and that's what stuck.

pretty interesting that Bowser alludes to his final form in the 2nd fight. I never realized until i replayed it

>>6480985
>There are literally the same possibilities as Sonic!
Look at the level of Sega fanboy desperation these days.

SM64 is chock-full of masonic symbolism, but why

at what point does he become a boxing referee in this story line

Not really lore but something that always bothered me.

In SMB3, the koopalings have wands because they were stolen from each kingdom's king. In SMW they fight without them since the kings are not present in that game nor do they fight with magic. In other spinoff appearances they do not have wands as well.

In NSMBWii, the koopalings suddenly fight with the same wands from SMB3 for no actual reason. They just have wands now. I don't know why but this always tickled my 'tism.

Also was the koopalings no longer being Bowser's kids a straight up retcon or a translation thing in the west?

>>6482145
Maybe they just adopted?

>>6482138
Presumably sometime before he visits the Mushroom Kingdom, because Punch-Out takes place in the real world. I'd say after Donkey Kong and before Mario Bros.

>>6480351
>Mario is no longer a normal guy who found a magical pipe to another world. He's now a baby born in the mushroom kingdom. And he's apparently Peach's age, rather than a middle aged guy.
I don't think I ever saw him as a middle-aged guy, but I agree with you on everything else. The western Mario lore was infinitely more interesting than the post-Yoshi's Island lore, even though as a kid I appreciated that Yoshi's Island served as an origin story for Mario. Also, we tend to think of it as western lore, but the idea of Mario and Luigi being two regular joes who get transported to a magical kingdom dates back to the 1986 anime movie, which I believe was made with input from Nintendo themselves. So you could say it was originally canon, more or less, until Miyamoto and Tezuka took a big shit on it with Yoshi's Island.

>>6480421
>>6480435
Because like pube hair, mustache hair and head hair don't always match?

Peach is a total slut

>>6482073
>the remake removed this

Soulful Mario

>>6482145
Well when you think about it, magic wands aren't really that special anymore since Magikoopas came along. So you could say the ones they use in modern games are plain ol' Magikoopa wands.

>>6480385
You're just a Sonic autist who wants to turn Mario into a Sonic-loke cringefest

>>6482145
It’s because the koopa clan are a family of arcane wizards so the koopalings are Bowser’s sorcerers apprentices

>>6482794
>horsetail
>reproduces by spores like mushrooms
Interesting. They also appear in later games.
https://www.mariowiki.com/Horsetail

>>6482819
Horsetail was an item in Thousand Year Door and Super Paper Mario.

>>6480346
>Mario is an Italian-American middle aged guy from Brooklyn. He keeps getting all sorts of weird jobs until one day he is hired by a demolition company (Wrecking Crew). This leads him to work on a construction site, when suddenly a huge gorilla escapes from the zoo and kidnaps Pauline, Mario's girlfriend who had come to see him. Mario saves her and gains the nickname of "jumpman".

This was already retconned by DK94 which had Mario chase the monkey across the globe and wind up in a locale where mushrooms make you grow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g71SoM5iGls

>>6482835
>Forgetting all the shrinking Poison Mushrooms that DK throws at Mario through the whole game
DK94 was always set in the Mushroom World, and Odyssey ultimately established that they originally fought in New Donk City.

The worst retcon was making Paper Mario a separate character from regular Mario. And making his world literal paper, even though it was just an aesthetic that the game poked fun at a few times breaking the fourth wall.

>>6482794
What's the deal with these villains losing their dark magic powers after their first appearance? Wario did similar shit in Mario Land 2, but now he doesn't use magic anymore.

>>6482927
Yeah, I always thought that was a dumb move. The paper aspect is given too much emphasis now.

>>6480346
mario is jeffrey epstein
bowser is trump
dino land is hold hostage by an alien mushroom
princess peach is the mushroom queen
alien queen took over the dino land
some worship this alien like a satanic cult
what was once the land of dinos got slowley replaced by npc people
bowser tries to fight back

>>6482927
>>6482932
Imagine if a character in an old RPG kept mentioning how his sprite looks and how many pixels it has and shit. Imagine if the fact that they are made of pixels was a key part of the story rather than an graphical abstraction. It's fucking dumb.

Paper Mario was always just Mario. Now he's been turned into a separate guy from a different timeline where everything is made of paper and his paper body is constantly being blown by the real-world wind that somehow exists in this world.

>>6480351
Yeah, I thought that was always one of the funniest parts of the Mario series. The games are about these epic adventures across space and time with all these crazy creatures and powers, and the protagonist is a fat, middle-aged plumber and sometimes his dorky brother. It never fails to be hilarious to me.

>>6480368
Wario will always be my favorite Nintendo character. His games are fantastic (the first one less so), the guy is a complete badass and the worlds he visits are really bizarre. Despite all the crazy shit that happens, the endings are always really melancholy and touching, I kid you not. And the soundtracks always have one or two really beautiful songs. Especially from 4 onwards, when they get lyrics. Palm Tree Paradise theme, the taxi song from Wario Ware 1, Tomorrow Hill from Wario Ware GC, etc. Really beautiful music. And who can forget the "EXCELLENT" song from Wario Land 3?

I had a great time with Wario Land 3 and 4 as a kid. His Wario Land 3 sprite in particular, with that white outfit, made him really likeable for some reason. Maybe it's the facial expressions, but I really felt for the guy and was glad when he obtained all the treasures at the end.

Too bad the character is a fart joke now thanks to Smash. They even made him shorter than Mario, what the fuck, he used to be twice his size.

>>6482930
Well you know, magic is funny like that. Some people are born magically gifted, and magic is intertwined with everything that they do. These are the people we call witches, sorcerers, etc. Magic is something that they -are-, not just a power they possess.

And then some people come upon magic powers by happenstance, they pick it up when they need something that can't be obtained by other means, then they put it down when they're satisfied. Or perhaps the powers leave them, to assist some other person in need.

>>6482930
The more important question is why Mario had an island terraformed in the shape of his body, built a giant robot of himself with a ball level in his balls, a giant house, a giant whale and other weird crap. And he and hired hundreds of creatures to work there and dress up as halloween monsters and other shit.

>>6480368
Wario being a weird Mario doppelganger that came from nowhere was always really cool to me. Also, is it true that the cute version of princess Shokora was the "definitive" version in the Japanese realease, but they switched it for the milf in the western version? It always felt wrong to intentionally let a chest go in order to get the best princess.

>>6482968
please go back to /x/

>>6482985
I believe it's the same in both versions.
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm13579390
It's the same in this video anyway.

SMB3 > Mario 64 > SMB1 > SMW > Mario Sunshine > Mario Land 1 > Mario Galaxy > SMB2 USA > SMB2 JP > Mario Land 2 > NSMB2 > Mario Galaxy 2 > NSMB in general

>>6483014
To confirm it's the same, see this videos. It's definitely the Japanese version.
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm35249805

>>6483023
The first four on that list get even better when you consider the rom hacks. Some of them even surpass the originals.

>>6483039
True. Would be nice if SMB2 USA got more rom hacks.

>>6482984
It's a theme park.

>>6482985
It's meant to be a surprise for perfectionists, like how the best ending in the first Wario Land isn't owning a castle, but an entire planet.

Is Odyssey good? I don't expect it to top Mario 64, because it obviously doesn't have an interesting early 3D aesthetic, a charming Mario model or crazy glitches. But I've heard many good things about it.

From what I've seen, it doesn't have shoehorned motion controls, the movement feels good and Mario's model looks really good. I can't put my finger on it, but he's likeable again after decades of that disgusting, soulless 3D render they used for every single game since the GC era.

>>6483039
Super Mario Bros 3 Mix is absolutely amazing. Every world is a celebration of Mario's history and the whole thing feels like a souped up SMB3. Seriously, it's brilliant and even has new powerups.

My favorite part of SMB3 were always the underground levels, like 1-5. The aesthetic made my imagination fly. The way the floor looked like snow/ice (which made me interpret the buzzy beetles as penguins as a kid), and the background looked like SPACE and was full of stars. It was so intriguing. Obviously none of this was intentional, they probably intended to portray a generic dark cave. But the way it looked made it feel magical. Every time you went underground, it felt like you were on a snowy planetoid in the middle of space, in some sort of pocket dimension contained within the pipe. The pyramid levels made the "snow" red, giving everything an even more alien look. You entered a door into the pyramid and everything inside was a parallel dimension that extended into the infinity of space. They even used some of the stars to hint at invisible blocks!

I hate how the All-Stars version ruined the overall aesthetic of the game, especially the underground parts. They replaced that magical aesthetic with a generic cave look. They didn't even bother to replace the shiny stars with anything else, so now there isn't even a hint to the invisible blocks.

>>6483070
Maybe it was intentional, though. The remake removed most of the elements that made the game look like a play, so maybe this was one of the things they removed.

I remember some levels where hitting a block would let you see the stars behind it for a split second, making it look like the background of the level was hiding the space behind it, and they just didn't bother to hide the holes behind the blocks that let you see what's behind the background. So in that sense, the underground levels didn't have a background and so Mario could see space without any deceptions. Maybe the entire game took place in the middle of space and the backgrounds on the levels above ground hid that, creating an illusion of a normal world.

>>6483054
It's really good. If you like 64 and Sunshine I would absolutely recommend it. It can be a little tedious if you're going for 100% but Mario controlling like a dream makes the game a blast.

I'll never understand 64 DS apologists. I played that version as a kid, and while I liked it I didn't find it amazing or anything. Mario's model wasn't expressive, the controls were a bit stiff and the visuals were homogenized to look like NSMB crap.

Playing the 64 version fior the first time as an adult has been an absolute blast. Now I really appreciate the game. It's visually interesting, controls perfectly and Mario's model is pretty charming. The DS version did this game a disservice.

>>6483242
64 DS came out 2 years before NSMB, but yes I agree the art direction is worse than the original. I love the new content they added though.

>>6480793
i beat it every day, anon. that piano is fucking invincible, though.

>>6482984
textbook narcissist

>>6483317
No wonder Wario hated him

>>6480994
NSMB 1, NSMB U, and 3D World are stylistically soulless but really really fun. 3D World has amazing level design.
NSMB 2 and NSMB Wii just suck

>>6480351
>What do you think of the Yoshi Island and NSMB retcons?
Hated the YI one as a kid til I decided they must have gone to NY as babies and stayed there. Maybe accidentally, maybe to be hidden from the koopa troops. I thought it would be cool if they were actually ‘returning’ to the mushroom world and eventually yoshi’s island, but had no memory of it and thought it was a totally new world they’ve never been to and knew nothing about. I had a headcanon of them being orphans for some reason, probably so this whole idea could work.

NSMB is just guilty of butchering the landscape and artstyle. I agree the mushroom kingdom doesnt feel like a world anymore which fucking sucks.

>>6483467
NSMB2 is the only good one. It's just as floaty and lame as the others, but at least the coin gimmick and the powerups that turn everything into gold make everything look really pretty and interesting.

I can't stomach any of the others.

>>6481609
Nope, Miyamoto himself insisted Mario was from Brooklyn.
>—I noticed that Mario speaks with an Italian accent in this game.
>Miyamoto: There’s no particularly detailed background or anything, but yeah, it’s a given that Mario is an Italian-American from Brooklyn, New York.
http://shmuplations.com/mario64/

>>6483671
Interesting interview. Shmuplations is a great site.
>Miyamoto: Game developers are starting to have a lot of pretensions with 3D. It used to be, in the past, people would ask me “Making games is a lot like making movies, isn’t it?” And I’d always respond, “Yeah, it kind of is. It’s a similar process.” Then they’d ask me, “So, do you want to make movies then?” And I’d always reply in the negative, that no, we don’t want to make movies—because we’re making games.

>But lately, everyone making games seems to aspire to be some kind of movie director! Part of me is like, what the hell, do you all have some inferiority complex about movies?!

>At the same time, when we were making the opening titles for Mario 64, we realized this was starting to feel a lot like making a movie! We decided we to try and make it interactive, something you could play with as in the rest of the game. As a title screen, if people feel it’s a little empty or lacking something, all I can say is “sorry!”

>>6483742
>—I also noticed that there seems to be a lot fewer enemy types than previous Mario games…?

>Miyamoto: There’s no special reason for that. (laughs) Normally we’d include about 80 different enemies, but this time we had just under 40. And many of them are neither friend nor foe, but something in-between. That was one of our themes for this development, actually.

>It’s kind of like, we didn’t want to just throw the player into this scary world and have them go on an adventure; rather, we wanted to make a game where the player would feel, “wow, what is this mysterious place I’ve come to…” So many of the characters might look like enemies at first-glance, but they actually aren’t hostile to you. The bunnies, the penguins, the snowmen…

>>6480346
I hate how Miyamoto apparently says SMB3 was just a play now (maybe this was bullshit from dumb fans?), because in SMW the airship Bowser used to escaped crashed in Dinosaur Land's ocean and became that weird ghost ship.

I liked how they incorporated Donkey Kong into Mario Odyssey though.

>>6480348
>Mario Land 1 takes place in Sarasaland, a kingdom divided in 4 sub-kingdoms based on real-world locations, all ruled by Daisy. The royal castle itself (which we never see in the game) is in the Birabuto sub-kingdom, a desert land based on Egypt, which explains Daisy's skin color in her early appearances.


Mario Land 1 was based on ancient aliens theories (like Stargate ayylmaos invented egypt) which were popular in Japan. That's why the last boss is an alien. It shows up a lot in Japanese pop culture a lot, like Zelda BotW, but no one seems to acknowledge that SMB1 was based on it.

>>6480446
All the kings in 3 were regular human sized iirc

>>6480446
Peach is roughly 6 feet I think, probably a bit more. Imagine. Very tall, but not inhumanly. Mario’s ‘canon’ height at this point seems to be based off his Super form, with mini Mario being the size of a small child (I think this is very intentional, so kids can easily connect with the character).

It’s obviously changed since the NES when Super Mario was clearly taller than Peach and mini Mario was like a head shorter.

>>6483742
>>6483671
>>6483748
Fascinating.

>>6483867
That’s the kind of thing that seems like a halfjoke. The whole Mario series picked up a motif of being a sort of show that’s put on by actors, it reminds me a lot of Osamu Tezuka’s star system.

Like you know the game isnt real, then there’s just another layer of there being a play. But the story within the play is still the ‘real’ story of Mario 3. If the series had a canon, that’s the story that would’ve been in it. I dont know how well I’m expressing this.

>>6483871
I missed the Land games growing up and when I finally played them I was surprised how major of a villain Wario used to be. Tatanga was supposed to be working for him the whole time wasnt he? Plus Wario has an army in Land 2. I just knew him as rivalguy from the spinoffs so I was surprised.

I like Bowser’s army fine but they need to freshen up the Mario villains catalogue so badly. Odyssey was a breath of fresh air for originality in general and a great game overall, but the series has a ways to go in order to recover its former glory. It’s shocking Mario of all things has become rather devoid of creativity (excepting Odyssey).

>>6483023
>this is official art
hot damn

>>6483867
>I liked how they incorporated Donkey Kong into Mario Odyssey though.
I wish Donkey Kong himself had a presence in it. But at this point reconciling modern (DKC) Donkey Kong mythology with Mario might just never happen.

>>6483975
They never use those secondary characters who show up in every spinoff in mainline games for some reason.

DK, Wario, Daisy, those types almost seem barred from use...anyone who isnt the Mario Bros, Peach, a yoshi, a toad, or a koopa troop member is a huge shock to see. Look how strongly people reacted to just Pauline making a return. It’s weird how seldom they use their most popular characters outside of the spinoff shovelware.

>>6484120
I know people hate this game a lot, and I prefer the original as well, but it was a nice surprise to see Wario playable in a Super Mario title

>>6484168
I was thinking of that game as I wrote that post actually.

I agree it doesnt hold up next to the original but it’s really cool to have those three as playable characters, especially Wario. Even if he wasnt tons of fun in practice, it’s nice to be able to play as him.

Yoshi and Luigi come and go in the 3d games but its a shame that 64ds and wario world were the only times they tried with him and 3d.

I cant help but wonder what a 64/sunshine/odyssey type game with those four, peach, toad, dk and maybe a couple others would be like. It’s kind of shocking they havent done it yet.

Uh..why did Peach live in a castle without furnishings or basic amenities like plumbing?

>>6482963
Wario should have settled at about 1.3 Marios tall.

>>6484389
Bowser used his arcane magic to banish the furniture into the walls as well as the toads.

>>6482731
>Sonic-loke
You're one to talk about cringe.

>>6484389
>no plumbing

>>6484540
there's a lot to love about this image but my favorite thing has to be that the balls of poop are a mixture of bowser and peach's poop but the farts are specifically peach's

>>6484553
>but the farts are specifically peach's
BRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP!

>>6484389
Girls don't poop.

In RPG and the Smash Bros games, Mario can use fire techniques without any power ups. Is there any lore about this? Maybe a 1 off sentence from a developer?

ok name user

>>6484168
>pre soi-ification star design
i like this transitional pre-NSMB desgin

>>6484540
Comedy

The fact that Peach canonically poops just like any commoner despite being royalty is pretty pathetic. I wonder why she doesn't kill herself.

Why were the stars so angry with Mario in SML2? Why did they attack Mario? They were his friends in SMRPG and Paper Mario.

>>6482145
>Also was the koopalings no longer being Bowser's kids a straight up retcon or a translation thing in the west?
It's a retcon, and it's the worst possible kind of retcon: One that Miyamoto actively denies is a retcon despite it provably being one.

>>6485298
See >>6480368

>>6480793
I was able to beat it in my copy.

>>6480985
>What about a factory level with conveyor belts and robots? A shiny neon pinball level? A spaceship level? A circus with trapezes and trampolines?
I've already played all that in Mario Maker 2.

>>6485464
How?

>>6484927
In SMRPG you use Flower Points to use fire, which are granted to you by "Flowers" that look like Fire Flowers. So you're still granted the techniques by a powerup, but your form doesn't change and your powers are refilled by non-flower consumables. If you assume they contain flowers then it makes sense.

>>6484927
Smash =/= Canon

>>6480346
Isn't jumpman Mario's dad?

>>6485939
Yes. And Lady is his mom. It's unclear whether or not Pauline is his sister.

>>6480361
don't ya fuckin hate it when somebody pokes a hole in your narrative. Whomp's fortress is a pocket universe inside a magical painting and NOT another planet BECAUSE I DON"T LIKE THAT

>>6482731
bait .. pathetic bait

>>6482186
mario confirmed for pubes. mario if he real

>>6482984
The giant house was for Mario to train in his mega form.

>>6480351
don't forget

>>6486021
the rpg games
all of them

>>6480348
>The royal castle itself (which we never see in the game) is in the Birabuto sub-kingdom, a desert land based on Egypt, which explains Daisy's skin color in her early appearances.
It's in Chai according to the manga, and she wasn't tan in SML.

>>6480361
>>6485990
Nothing implies Whomp Fortress in Peach's castle wasn't painted inspired by the planet.

>>6483748
>we wanted to make a game where the player would feel, “wow, what is this mysterious place I’ve come to…” So many of the characters might look like enemies at first-glance, but they actually aren’t hostile to you. The bunnies, the penguins, the snowmen…
This is actually brilliant, and they fully achieved it, perhaps more so than they would liked, as going back to Mario 64 clashes so much with their current focus of the series.

>Is a plumber
>Never had a game where he wields a wrench

>>6486347
he pulls one out in the intro of Mario 3D World but thats NOT RETRO.

>>6485464
how did you even attack while underwater, let alone beat it? anyway, I could never get very far in jolly roger bay since it reminded me of my cousin who drowned while on a trip to a piano concert

>>6480385
>I guess so, but I don't like retcons made decades after the fact, so I don't really count that as canon. Especially coming from a game influenced by Miyamoto's obsession with removing any sort of interesting lore or story whatsoever.
Then what about when Koopa the Quick says that Tiny Huge Island is his home turf?

>>6480920
Martinet is perfect for stuff like mario kart or the platformers where Mario never really speaks but just makes goofy yelps and such. For any role that involves actual speaking for a long period thay voice would get grating fast, and a more typical brooklyn plumber voice would be better. Thing is I cant see that sort of voice matching his 3D render they use for everything at all, cause it has such a baby face look to it. Would probably have to use a look closer to one of his old 2D designs if he had a gruff voice.

With Luigi the coward thing gets kinda old but besides the mansion game and mario & luigi games it doesnt really get brought up that much.

>>6480985
>>6480994
You look at something like zelda which drastically changes its appearance every couple of games, and its baffling they’re so strict with Mario stuff all having the same plastic look. If they were willing to mixup the visuals and artstyle the way they do with zelda AND were willing to go to new lands like the old games did I think we could get some pretty amazing games.

>>6489185
>and its baffling they’re so strict with Mario stuff all having the same plastic look.
There's still a fair bit of aesthetic variation from game to game but it's a lot less exploratory than other series or even how Mario used to be. I can't imagine something like Super Mario Land 2 happening now, or even the sharp difference between SMB3 and SMW. It's a shame.

>>6484286
With DK, the only attempt there was is with DK64, but that was just a worse version of Banjo-Kazooie.
If Retro Studios ever gets a chance at making another DK title after Metroid Prime 4 (preferrably a fully 3D one), it'd be interesting if they tackled something ala' Crash Bandicoot or Mario 3D Land with the "Point A to Point B" and all.

>>6481237
t. dumb bitch

>>6480898
>>6480956
Their designs are fine

>>6483467
Can you elaborate on what made 3DW work for you?
I hated how it controlled, i always wanted full 360 control because i kept on jumping off of edges when i didnt mean to and i could barely aim my powerups, and the tiered running was a giant hassle. Granted this wasnt a relevant issue until the postgame, but it ruined the game for me because i just did not enjoy controlling Mario and taking full advantage of his moveset. Also all his alternative jumps were useless.
Oh, and in regards to levels, i thought the gimmicks were neat but they never felt fully expanded on to me. Each level expanded on its gimmick in the most basic of ways that it just felt boring. Also the final level made me want to kill myself because of how shitty the controls were, but people will just tell me to git gud probably, but man, Mario just feels too unnatural for me to get used to.
I really want to love this game man. Am i wrong for feeling this way, is there anything that im missing?

I always wondered why the Koopalings had different colors in-game in SMW, it was just recently that I realized that they're representing the 4 colors of the Super Famicom clover, red, blue, yellow and green.
Matches with the Yoshi, as well as the Switch palaces.
I'm still not sure why Ludwig's hair wasn't blue in either SMB3 or SMW, though. In a sense, I think white hair suits him more though, giving him that Mozart look

>>6489296
That's retarded reasoning, but I believe Nintendo would be that stupid.

>>6489641
you may think that, I think it's SOUL

>>6489645
I can understand changing up their hair colors, but the color of their heads just wouldn't magically change like that. Besides Ludwig having blonde-ish hair looking dumb, his head being yellow in that picture looks ridiculous because whether they're meant to be his children or not, the Koopa Kids are at least supposed to look like the same species as Bowser.

>>6489670
Eh, Roy, Morton and Wendy all had different skin color on their heads on the original art too. I don't mind the variety, especially if it's based on a concept that matches other things within the game.
Funnily enough I think the first time Ludwig had his proper blue hair in-game was in Yoshi's Safari.

>>6489701
When I was a kid, I thought Roy wore one of those latex swim caps, but I guess he just inherits pink scales from his mom. Morton's mom must have been some kind of black koopa and Wendy might be a half-Bowser and half-Sumo Bro or just regular Troopa mongrel.

>>6489748
>I thought Roy wore one of those latex swim caps
Dude same

>>6484553
There's good reason for that. Peach eats nothing but candy and cake, her farts would be so fucking disgusting it could kill a man.

>>6483070
>>6483080
I miss Fire Mario glowing orange instead of wearing a white outfit. And being able to shoot green fireballs inside the Toad houses.

Seriously, that orange sprite made the powerup feel really cool.

>>6490106
She eats a lot of mushrooms too.

remember when birdo was canonically a trans icon and the koopalings were Bowser's offspring?

>>6490739
Ain’t she still is? Sure Nintendo rectonned her from being a “a guy who thinks he’s a girl” to being just a girl with some hints/jokes to her origin but she’s still considered a trans icon to this day

>>6492090
He is kill every time I play smb 2. One of many reasons it is the most based mario game.

>>6482935
bruh lmao xD