/vr/ - Retro Games

>>643798
Woolsey's had a few good/iconic lines in his localizations, but otherwise I feel like everyone has an undue nostalgiaboner for him.

Never played the game in question, but I'm assuming that since maybe he thought the Japanese chose the name of the sword to sound exotic to Japanese players, the localizer reversed it so it would have the same effect on western players.

>>643837
I guess that makes sense. Still, it's like adopting an Asian and naming her Sheniqua. Seems a bit out of place.

>>643837
Yeah this seems like the obvious reason. Just seems weird to give a western style longsword wielded by a western style knight a Japanese name

>>643842
>Never played the game in question, but I'm assuming that since maybe he thought the Japanese chose the name of the sword to sound exotic to Japanese players, the localizer reversed it so it would have the same effect on western players.

I know what you're saying, but localization is really tricks. A perfect localization just doesn't exist, things like that will always happen no matter what decisions the localizer makes.

>>643821

Do they? I think I've encountered more complaints about him than praise.

Getting this one out of the way.

>>643868

That's more of a small editing mistake. OP's talking about localization decisions.

>>643853

*tricky, and I don't know how I ended up quoting my own post.

Grandleon sounds just as exotic or nonsensical as Masamune

only someone already strongly familiar with japanese culture or these types of games would recognize masamune or murasame

and they would think...wait, glenn is a samurai? ok I guess, whatever

he made some mistakes, this is an example of a small one

In the German version of Link's Awakening, the mermaid missed her bikini top instead of "an important amulet" and when you dived in front of her she yelled at you not to peek.

When you put magic dust on those green jelly monsters that gave you electric shocks when you hit them with your sword they suddenly had glasses on (which is probably the same in the English version) and you could talk to them, they said stuff like "Not without a condom!" though. The German Nintendo translation-team must have had a great time.

>>643892
I'm an American and to me, Grandleon sounds distinctly European while Masamune is clearly asian. And given that the sword in question is a large, double edged broadsword used by a character who's patterned after a medieval knight, the original name just makes more sense.

>>643943

thats what I said

oh woolsey

>>643949

I love that part.

Gonna really stretch it and say that maybe it was to make it consistent with the Final Fantasy series which CT fans of the day would most likely be already acquainted with. The Japanese version already follows FF spell naming conventions (Thunder/Thundaga/Curaga etc).

That or Woosely got the names mixed up with a proposed translation of one of Crono's swords. In the end, Crono's swords had a more Western naming convention in use, like Steel Katana to SteelSaber.

>>643954

Please don't equate "English" to "Western"

>>643954
>Gonna really stretch it and say that maybe it was to make it consistent with the Final Fantasy series

Funny thing about that though, in the Woolsey translated version of FF6, Masamune is missing because it was renamed Aura (it's the sword Cyan gets in the WoR after you beat the Doma Castle sidequest).

Presumably that one was just done to save on character space, but I always found it doubly ironic that Woolsey took Masamune out of FF6 and put it in Chrono Trigger.

>>643953
i know, those magic moments.. at least the gba version kept a few of his additions.

>>643980
>save character space

I really doubt they were hurting for space on the ROM so much that they had to take out four letters from a weapon name, prompting a rename.

>>644162

You shouldn't be surprised if they actually did. Back in the day, every single little byte was already divided betwee the different aspects of the game. If the resulting game did not fit, they had to trim from various parts.

Supposing that this wasn't the case and it did fit, there's also the possibility that they didn't want to recode the game to allow a long name to fit. Just look at Chrono Trigger: they took out the 'h' in the protagonist's name, and called it a day. In Secret of Mana and Final Fantasy IV, they mutilated to the story so it would fit in the allowed space instead of recoding it to allow more text.

>>644162
He means the game wasn't coded to allow names to be that long, and they didn't bother recoding it and just changed the name to something that fit. Happens all the time with localizations.

>>643798
Woolsey is a wizard. It took him a month to translate most games. He did this alone. He probably just sped over the sword name because it was goofy.

>Glandoleonu?
>Uhhh... fuck that its now the Masamune!

>>644269
But it would have fit. The Murasame is still in the game. Masamune has just as many letters.

Here's an interesting one.

In Japanese FF6, the "Crusader" esper is called "Jihad." Seriously.

>>644381
That's pretty well known

>>643917
I don't understand this
Why were German games back then so vulgar but so heavily censored now?

>>643949
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzSUo8iPp4M

>>643917
>In the German version of Link's Awakening, the mermaid missed her bikini top instead of "an important amulet" and when you dived in front of her she yelled at you not to peek.
Isn't that what it was in the original?

>>644469
Yes.

>>644469

Yes.

>>644381
Well in 1994 jihad wasn't a touchy word. Most people probably didn't even know what it meant. I know I never heard of it before. It only became an issue after 9/11 as far as I know, when it was parroted eight thousand times on FOX News.

>>644719

The Jihad to Destroy Barney had the domain name jihad.net long before 9/11.

>>644405
German games can still be vulgar, they just don't like blood and killing in it any more

Everyone always says that Tellah line is some crazy Engrish mistranslation, but I recently looked up the word spoony and it is a real word that describes Edward perfectly.

>>644719
>1994
>Not playing Vampires: the Gathering

>>643949
That was a change? What was the original? No changes really stuck out in the GBA retranslation to me.

>>644843
That's the original SNES version. A keen eye could tell from the resolution and the font.

I forget what the GBA retranslation was, but it was a whole lot less punchy.

>>644790
I still have some of those cards. I never knew anyone that played, though, but I still thought they were really cool.

Same thing with Netrunner. I bought the starter decks and never got to play anybody before they stopped making them. (though I heard they made another one recently).

>>644381
>Decide to try a translated FF6 rom
>Espers are now Phantom Beasts

>>644858
He basically calls her a bitch, with a bunch of insulting adjectives beforehand.

>>644962
The fan translation for FFVI is super literal. It goes for almost total accuracy to the Japanese source material.

>>644970
>Cefca

Into the trash it goes!

>>644962
Every FF6 retranslation I've played is >>644970. I'm talking about completely forgetting about "flow" in place of accuracy.

>>644925
Doc...

So...

Who else is still reading 'Masamune' with a silent E even though you know better now?

>>645035
>implying I know better
>implying it isn't still Zeebs

>>645035
My first language is Spanish, so I always pronounced it exactly how it's supposed to be.

>>644962

Were they originally eidolons?

I thought the Masamune was named such to reference the whole swordsmith thing. You get Melkior (I think? I forget if the swordsmith in CT is called that or not) to fix up some ridiculous sword. Instead of going with the make it sound european thing, Woolsey went with pick something that reminds you of a real world swordsmith, thus, Masamune.

You now realize it's pronounced "mah-sah-moon-eh" not "mas-uh-myoon"

>>645035
I used to, but I had to work pretty hard to break that habit. Now I have to force myself to read it like the 'e' is silent.

>>644987
Take your memeshit to /v/ man.

>>644381
Yup, wasn't such an issue back then. Related.

>>645490
Probably should include the relevant part.

>>643854
>I've encountered more complaints about him than praise

Because MUH MAGUS-SAMA HAT OF NOT BEING PUZZLED WAAAAAAAH faggots who don't understand the concept of localization yell the loudest

>>643798
To make it sound exotic.

Grandleon is exotic for a Japanese player, Masamune is exotic for the Western player.

It's good translation. Chrono Trigger had some flaws in it's script, but many choices in the translation were very, very clever, like this one.

>>644162
>I really doubt they were hurting for space on the ROM so much that they had to take out four letters from a weapon name, prompting a rename.
You have no clue.

1. Yes, text had to be cut to save space. Yes.
2. Names had character limits to them. In Japanese, anything can be written with a pair of Kanji. Even Kana is syllabary, i.e. every character is a syllable:
Crono = クロノ (kurono) = two letters less.
And if it's written with Kanji, you can write whole words in 1-2 sign. Like so:
Sword = 刀 = four letters less = you can write sword of [something] in under 4-5 characters, while in English it takes ten times more space.

And that's why they had to rename stuff. These days, they just have to have enough space in the menu to fit the text, the game just types it out, it's not hardcoded per-character anymore.

Surely, if they wanted to keep it "Final Fantasy" and keep it European why didnt he go with Excalibur?

>>646034
That would not be exotic at all. "Grandleon" was an exotic made-up blade. Woolsey didn't have the time to think up a good exotic new name for the sword, so he went with the one that already sounds good, plenty exotic, and is less likely to be known to Western kids.

>>646034
>Surely, if they wanted
Why are you referring to Woolsey like that? He's not royalty.

Localization switcheroo. Also the masamune was not famous because of its shape, but its spirit. In a way, he actually improved the whole situation by giving it more depth.

I'M MORE OFFENDED BY CRONO, A BOY LIVING IN A MEDIEVAL WESTERN WORLD, WIELDING KATANAS.

>>646034
gud idea

>>646030
Except the character limit in FFVI was eight, which is the number of letters in Masamune. Woolsey either changed it arbitrarily, or they were reaaaaaaaaaally hurting for ROM space to the point that they had literally few bytes to spare.

>>646037
I'm just saying, Masamune albeit exotic sounding, doesn't suit the character or sword type portrayed in CT. The character being an old English sounding knight, Excalibur would've been perfect, and considering the FF universe, made even more sense in the fact that its Gilgamesh's sword, who is described as a dimension-jumping character (which could've played in to the whole Square crossover thing)

Anyone have a source for Woolsey naming the blade Masamune to make it sound exotic to Westerners? Or is it just speculation?

>>646049
You keep talking about the FF universe, what FF universe? Even FF games don't share one, let alone Chrono goddamn Trigger, ffs.

>>646049
People who played Final Fantasy 1 knew what Masamune was, and I'll wager a large number of people who bought Chrono Trigger were FF fans, because everybody I knew who had that game also had FF3/6.

>>646054
The Masamune was also in FFIV.

>>644963
That's the prime difference between the GBA and SNES versions.

SNES Kefka says hate tons of times, GBA Kefka is a bit more creative.

>>646060
>The Masamune was also in FFIV.
Masamune was also in most games, films, anime shows and cartoons. And folklore. And history.

>>646064
>SNES Kefka says hate tons of times, GBA Kefka is a bit more creative.

You mean SNES Kefka portraits his autistic insanity better.

>>646053
I mean the link between Squaresoft games such as Weapons being the same/item names, Moogles appearing in Secret of Mana, Cecil in Secret of Evermore, I suppose it's more of a Squaresoft link than a FF link

>>646068
You could phrase it that way, yes. In the end he comes off as insane either way, but the GBA one just has a larger vocabulary.

>>646045
>filename

Their story begins in the 5th century...

>>646069

ff4 was the first I heard of it. 1991 remember.

>>646021
Could you repeat that? What were they actually ad about with Magus?

>>645328
But I always pronounced it like that.

>>646021
I think someone needs to localize your posts because jesus fucking christ what?

>>646069
It's the context. We're talking about overseas fans who were either kids or teenagers who were most likely not exposed to that stuff outside of FF.

I'd wager that a 12 year old from Wisconsin who grew up on localized JRPGs would probably find Masamune to stand out more as if it was an original Square creation.

>>644736

Angela

Merkel

Tool of the bourgeois 'austerity' establishment

>>643798
because it gives a the same effect it'd have for japanese audiences. Grandleon sounds foreign and strange to them, so call it the masamune to western audiences.
Also i hate that people use that picture whenever talking about woolsey. He never worked on Final Fantasy 4. The bad translation of that game was the reason he was hired and told "don't do this"

>>643868
that's not woosley either.

>>643963
He isn't.

I like this line.

How familiar do you think Woolsey was with tentacle rape porn?

>>647287
They use that line a lot in FF5A too.

Same translator, maybe.

>>646331

Why do fan translators feel the need to do this? As if they're doing us a favor by teaching us a little Japanese in the process. I just want a fluent translation.

>>647330
it isn't the same translator. Woolsey did the son of a submariner line. He stopped working for square around after ff6

>>647343
>spreading false information.
Shut up tripfag

>>647330
It may have something to do with Woolsey saying that Final Fantasy V wasn't accessible enough to the average gamer.

BECAUSE FINAL FANTASY V IS SO WELL KNOWN FOR ITS DEEP MECHANICS

>>644719

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing

>>647339
A lot of translators and anime fans feel that the Japanese words are special and have more weight, nakama in particular.

It's fucking stupid.

>>647389

If we can pepper our English with French and German words, then Japanese should be fine too

>>647392
Professional translators don't pepper anything with French or German words. They'd get fired.

>>647392

We already use plenty of japanese words in english. Kamikaze, bonsai, sushi, origami, karate, tofu, etc.

Anybody else always pronounce it "mass-uh-moon" until they discovered the Japanese history of the name?

You got whacked cuz your weak.

>>646331
>>647339
Horrifying.

>>646331

Is that actually a thing?

It doesn't bother me because there is no England or Japan in Chrono Trigger.

who the fuck is whoosley

>>647339
>Why do fan translators feel the need to do this?
Because they are not professionals and don't know how to deal with ambiguity in translating. They just aren't fit for the job, is all. Knowing two langauges is not enough to produce quality translations between those languages.

>>647512
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFu9lh37X34

>>646331
FF7 translated by TV-Nihon

>>647416
I still do. Mass-a-myoon is the sword used by Frog in Chrono Trigger to me. Mass-a-moon-ay is the name of the legendary japanese swordsmith and his sword.

I don't even care if it's not right, it works for me.

>>647713
>I don't even care if it's not right
Neitehr is right, Granleon is.

>>647741
Fuck off back to the chronocompendium forums

>>647751
OK, but I'll return. I can crawl out of the terrarium and under the fence again and get to where you are anytime I want.

Just wanted you to know that.

>>647751

>>647641
That appears to be a made-up example. There is no such translation patch AFAIK. In fact, from what I've seen, there is a grand total of one fan retranslation, which is only about 65% done, and does none of that shit.

>>648119
Of course there isn't. It's a screencap from an anti-undertranslation video. It was linked a few posts after that int he thread.

They're making fun of bad fansubs.

>>648119

right, he was just providing the source. it's clearly made up to prove the point in the video.

>>648143
>>648150
Figured as much. Still, I think it needed to be spelled out for some people.

>>643917
>In the German version of Link's Awakening, the mermaid missed her bikini top instead of "an important amulet" and when you dived in front of her she yelled at you not to peek.

It was like that in the Japanese version too.
The American version censored it, while the European versions are based on the J release.

The European DX versions contain all US censors, though.

>>643853
Resident Evil has the best localization

fuck you barry, I'm glad you died. Dropped the rope my ass

>>643868
Final Fantasy VII is well known for its horrible localization.

>>647407
They're japanese things not just japanese words if you get what im saying

>>648297
>not realizing that one courageous translator decided to spell it like that to avoid censors

>>648380
Sony (who were the ones who localized FF7) didn't censor games as a rule. It was their way of proving how edgy and cool they were compared to Nintendo's kiddy shit.

Of course, they also didn't like spending money on proofreaders and editors. Especially for a niche JRPG that no one knew would suddenly explode in popularity with a little advertising.

>>643798
Go back to your elitist japanese swords imgboard.

When I first played Chrono Trigger, I didn't give a rat's ass about Masamune's name origin, it just sounded like a cool name for a sword. It could've been the Excalibur or w/ever, I didn't care. Do you also question why Crono is called Crono? And why is it "Lucca" and not "Lucas"? Robo and not Robot? Who gives a fuck about this?

The translation was good, I just played the game and never cared about "It's a japanese game that was translated to english". Before your bitching, it was just "a great game".

>TL;DR shut up and enjoy the game

>>644962
>>645181
That's what they are

Genju (Phantom/Illusion Beasts)

Anyway, I hate the American version of Gyakuten Saiban. This script is atrocious

>>652227
>hates the translation
>posts a screen of what made it fucking awesome

get rekt

>>652227
that was back when pop culture references weren't overused like they are today, and the one you've posted was on screen for less than a second.

>>652227
>english AA
>bad
nigga what

>>647751
>>648023

>>652227
>I hate the American version of Gyakuten Saiban. This script is atrocious
Have you played the original? It's exactly the same. They've just swapped Jap memes for Western ones.

>>652384
As someone who's played both, no they didn't.

Americna versions is far more goofy and meme-ish.

>>652227
Wait, is this the game they say takes place in America with American names but have Japanese shrines and shit? That's always hilarious when American stuff does that shit.

>>647446
RADICAL.

>>652361
but that one comic where wolverine was a samurai was pretty good

>The translator of Pokemon Diamond And Pearl, Nob Ogasawara (a member of the Something Awful forums), edited much of the the NPC speech in the game to include Internet slang. The player character is repeatedly called a "noob" by other trainers, "for the win" is used at least once, one Galactic Grunt threatens to hit the player's weak point for massive damage, and a clown even exclaims "a winner is you!". They also have a few Shout Outs to the Something Awful forums ("My Pokemon is fight!").
And a Shout Out to a Something Awful forum member as well. A goon did a Let's Play of Pokémon Crystal, starring a character named Roxy, whose main Pokémon was a Wooper. On Thursdays, you can go to the TV station and fight an interviewer/cameraman pair in a double battle. The interviewer uses a Wooper, and the interviewer's name is Roxy. It kind of helps that both the interviewer and the female PC from Crystal both have blue hair.

Jesus Christ, games are not your own personal injoke factory you pieces of shit

even ignoring all the bad Americanizing these games get anyway, that's still horrible

>>655526

How do you not lose your job doing stuff like this?

>redo Woolsey's translation of Chrono Trigger
>Turn "This creature sleeps beyond the flow of time" to some generic "its not moving" crap

unforgivable

>>655536
In West Clownadelphia, born and raised

>>655526
man I snuck a few renames into games I did localization on for my friends but they were all completely inconsequential NPCs. and just names, too, no dialogue shifts.

Wasn't FF4A full of goon shoutouts too or was that just coincidence?

>>655536
>How do you not lose your job doing stuff like this?

See

>>655571

People on the internet will defend anything no matter how awful

>>655526
Disgusting trash. I hope he dies in a fire for shitting all over someone else's work with his SECRET COMMUNITY MEEMEES

Goons are subhuman.

>>655571

That's different, though. That's a general pop-culture reference. These were specific in-jokes.

It's like if me and five friends had an inside joke relating to sod, and I put a reference to it into a major game localization. That should not be okay. Not because it's not funny, but because it's me sticking my dick into a game localization.

>>655594
What would you like instead of THAT then?

>>655576
It was not a coincidence.

These are the worst people who ever lived.

>>655606
a. Hire someone into your localization staff who are capable of making real jokes that are actually funny.
b. No jokes.

There's nothing worse than a bad joke. A meme is the lowest form of a bad joke.

>>645181
The Japanese games generally use Genju (Phantom Beasts) but each game translates it's differently in America. Americans have translated Genju as Espers, Eidolons, Aeons, Avatars and simply Summons.

>>655526
Rockman.exe's translation was fucking terrible at this. So much l33tspeak and internet slang in those shitty games just because it had a net theme setting.

Plus they changed retarded shit like BombMan to BoomerMan and ColoredMan to Wackoman because "bombs are scary" or some shit.

"Get the plates, 'cuz you just got served!"

>>655635
>mfw I immediately recognized that quote

I know it's not /vr/, but god was this game terrible.

>>655635
>not understanding why they changed ColoredMan's name

>>655635
They were Bombman.exe and Colorman.exe in the american games. "Coloredman" is awkward in more than one way, changing it to Colorman is good localization.

"Blasterman" and "Wackoman" are changes made only in the anime dub. Guess who's responsible for that.

Also
>watching the MMBN anime
babby tier

>>655701
I would say that, but holy shit look at that image in the top right of >>655635. You'd be seeing Mayl's pubic hair if she had any.

Although I'm sure 4kings censored it.

>>655675
>Colored is now a bad word despite the fact it means fucking COLOR like the crayon themed clown he is

People like you is why they always change "Black" to "Dark" in stuff like Yu-Gi-Oh. It's not like they're saying NIGGER, you can use words like black and colored in normal sentencing.

>>655701
>They were Bombman.exe and Colorman.exe in the american games. "Coloredman" is awkward in more than one way, changing it to Colorman is good localization.
>"Blasterman" and "Wackoman" are changes made only in the anime dub. Guess who's responsible for that.

Well I guess that's good, but I know the games still had retarded name changes

And hey the anime is fun.

>>655712

Don't be dense on purpose. We both know what connotation "colored man" would have.

>>655731
the only fucking name changes in the games were "rock" to "mega" and "hub" to "lan"

>>655714
Mail is a lewd girl in Japan

>>655712
I call it as I see it.

>>655745
"Nice try"

Did he just insult those kids drawings?

WHY IS ALL TEXT RED?!?!

AAAA

>>655754

Moot goofed up while changing the text advertising the Q&A

>>655754
>Ninefag tab

A little too obvious there. You may want to go for something subtler next time.

>>655749
it's Mega Man, he is getting away from all the robot masters saying "Nice try" because they couldn't defeat him

>>655768

Huh? Whats wrong with ninegag?

*shrugs*

>>655743
>the only fucking name changes in the games were "rock" to "mega" and "hub" to "lan"

Huh? Capcom always changes tons of stuff in those games.

>"Net" to "Lan'
>Kenichi Hino to Mister Match
>Madoi Iroaya to Misses Mad
>Maha Jarama to Mister Yahoot
>Enzan to Chode
>Dekao to Dex
>Yaito to Yai
>Higure Yamitaro to Hisby

Was pretty 4Kidsified. Ryuusei had even stupider names like Rich Dotcom, Bud Bison, and Pat Sprigs.

>>655784
Well gee, let's see. Can't have anything to do with the fact that you had to call it "ninefag" and couldn't write its real name. Nope. That can't be it.

>>655796


In a coat of green or a coat of black,
a lion still has claws,
And mine are long and sharp, my lord,
as long and sharp as yours.

>>655827

and so he spoke, and so he spoke,
that fag from neingagmere
but now the rains weep o'er his AIDS
without a soul to hear

yes now the rains weep o'er his AIDS
without a soul to hear

>>655785
>Not understanding why japanese pun names are localized to english pun names

dude just fucking get out already and go back to jerking off to the uncensored pokemon manga. Fuck. You are so stupid it pains me.

>>655845

>>655785

Chode? Wasn't that like a 90s slang word for cock?

>>655871
I'd slang my chode into Lan, if you know what I mean

>>655536
Because internet slang is becoming semi-mainstream at least in videogames, so it's considered normal there.
"hit the weak point for massive damage" has been in practically every Square game since that Sony conference, as well as any other RPG with massive amounts of text/items.

It's LULZRANDOM, get it?

>>655853
>Not understanding why japanese pun names are localized to english pun names

Nah, everyone knows why. Because they think Americans are retarded as hell and need handholding. Japan doesn't change names like the US does. Not all companies change Japanese names, only the bad ones.

>>655967
>Not all companies change Japanese names, only the bad ones.

Good: My name Yukiko means snow.. and that's how I feel at times.. plain and empty...

Bad: I guess that's why they call me Icy Snowson

>>655986
That's not a perfect analogy. Persona takes place in Japan. Changing the name of a Japanese character would be retarded. Changing it so that it didn't take place in Japan would be EXTRA-STRENGTH retarded.

Kinda like the dumb niggers who localized Ace Attorney

>>655967
>>655986
You're comparing a serious work to a comical one. Battle Network and Ace Attorney characters are ridiculously named in Japanese. It's in the spirit of the original to maintain the pun names.

>spirit of the original

EXE isn't a comedy series... Gyakuten might have some humor but it's still a drama with murder mysteries and stuff. Though admittedly the American version is a lot jokier.

>>655853
There's games where they don't translate puns though, or make up their own puns, or wasn't even Japanese to begin with, like Breath of Fire 2

Bosch to Bow, Rinpoo to Katt, Apara to Spar, Tapeta to Jean, Deis to Bleu

>>656090
I don't support those though I understand why they happened. It's easier to just fucking make up new names that fit into 4 characters than to sit there trying to shove a round peg into a square hole.

>>655986
but you see, I hate the persona series cuz I can't remember anyones fucking name due to them all being called nip-nog ding-dong

>>655885
I really don't

>>656150
you are a terrible retrogramer

>>656150
It's a shame racists like you are who these companies appeal to.

"Git that there charlie culture outta muh MURRIKAN games, yee haw! We only speak MURRICAN in this country!"

>>656270
Neat.

The parasite was a great loss, though the angel one looks better than the original (can't remember names but I know it's Yu-Gi-Oh!).

>>656301
>but.. but muh children values

>>655853
>Defending the Pokemon manga censorship

Now you've gone too far.

>>656270
What are these from?

>>656384
you gay oh, which is for little babies, so no surprise it was so heavily censored

>>647339
>>646331

...You DO realize these are fake, right?

>>655526
>>655576
>>655612
>>655594

IIRC, aren't SA Goons regularly hired on for game localization?

>>656384
Censored Yu-Gi-Oh card artwork.


Also, How good are the re-translations for the FF games? I'm a purefag and have no nostalgia for the old Woosley localizations.

>>656471
Retranslations as in the fan ones or the GBA ones like 4 and 6?

Fan: Pure/Literal, so no real problem there.

GBA: Better but not perfect. Characters still keep their American games (Terra, Sabin, etc) but you can change character names if you want so it doesn't matter. Dialog is way more accurate though so no more 'hatehatehate" wollseyisms from Kefka

>>644725
>Jihad to Destroy Barney
...oh my God all the memories when "Kill Barney" shit was popular. I must've downloaded every sound file I could find.

I'm now inspired to find this one particularly long file involving music clips that I loved listening to over and over. Will report back when I find it.

>>656574
>>656471
I don't agree with purefaggotry but I must warn you

the FF6 GBA port absolutely dicks up the sound. It sounds horrible. Music is off, SFX is off, no fucking idea what they did. All SNES-GBA ports suffer slightly from the reduced screen size/resolution, button remapping, and palette limitations to various degrees but the sound fuckery made GBA FF6 nearly unplayable. If you're emulating it, though, there's a patch that fixes it...

>>656821
>no fucking idea what they did

It is being played through a GBA speaker.

>>656832
That's not quite it. The tracks have different instrumentation altogether.

>>656574
>>656821

Actually I'm only interested in the original SNES/SFC versions of the game.

>>656860
Just get the translation patch then.

>>656376
>>656270
I honestly don't see the issue with these changes. Different nations have different cultures that dictate what is ok and not ok for children.

>>656471
>IIRC, aren't SA Goons regularly hired on for game localization?

Clearly, based on this thread. Buy WHY?

>>656927
The problem is the Japanese cards have a 13+ warning label on them and the Americans marketed them at 5 year olds with a 5+ year old sticker on them for quick cash.

Also because censorship is retarded no matter what

Though the problem with the American YGO game is more than just censorship. They actively dick over the American fans

>>647635
Because they need better editors that aren't retarded.

>>656937
Because:

There are shitloads and shitloads of goons
They have a lot of boards to discuss and collaborate on projects
Thanks to the paywall their level of maturity/ability tends to be higher
Thanks to the fact that they're on a message board their mastery of current slang is higher than a "conventional" employee
They do good work (see SAGC's game center CX translations)

>>646315
When I was a kid I assumed a masamune was a type of sword, not a proper noun.

Similar to how tanto, wakizashi, and katana are just different sizes in the same "family," I thought maybe a masamune was a longer katana.

>>656934
let's not forget that north america is probably the only region that has such tight restrictions on nudity and sexuality

almost every other country has frontal nudity on daytime TV, nude ads (i've seen more tits in German Cosmo magazines as ads for bras, breast enhancement or even mammograms than I see on 4chan), nude beaches, and an altogether more "grown up" mentality about sexuality

>>656574
Barrel Dragon IMO got an upgrade in design. Those lasers look fucking dangerous, unlike those dull barrels. They're about to go off and kill your BEWD thanks to his effect.

And I seriously miss the old Yu-Gi-Oh art style. There was something to it that looked awesome. Fuck, I miss Yu-Gi-Oh. I never played it with anyone.

>>657432
>not liking a dragon made out of magnums

His name stays like that the whole game.

>>657417
In a way, you were right. Back in the day, swords were known by the name of their creator. There wasn't actually single Masamune. Rather, the swords were named the man who created them, who was actually named Masamune. Thus, any sword he made was a Masamune blade.

MAZ uh myoon

>>656034
>>655986
>>656150

>>657785

>>656150
>having this same feel
>unable to enjoy what I'm sure are okay games

Honestly, if they were named 'John' or 'Michael' or 'Sarah' I'd be just as weirded out.

>>657747
What horror is this?

>>657831
Monster Hunter Ultimate for WiiU

>>656934
>Japanese cards have a 13+ warning label on them

Stop spreading bullshit. It's a children's card game in Japan too. It's just that Japan is far less pussy about what children see than America.

>>657815
Theres no way to win.

>>657416
write it up to fucking puritans.

>>657791
You just can't win with black characters can you?

>>658064
>Stop spreading bullshit.

What bullshit? Every pack and deck I buy has them on it.

Kids weren't even allowed to play until like a few years ago.

>>658312
>Every pack and deck I buy has them on it.
It should be very easy for you to get a picture of this alleged 13+ rating in that case.

>>658317
People above 12 need only buy

>>648919
lucca is lucca in japanese version and robot is robot in the japanese version too.

>>657747
To be fair to Capcom, Neko's dialogue is actually kind of funny, considering how he's stated to not speak your language, multiple times, and even the captain of the Argosy has the same gratuitous Japanese dialogue.

The Japanese script has it the other way around, with Neko and the captain using gratuitous English, so yeah. They did the best they could.

>>655745
...oh

>>658664

>He can never know a hug

Pic related. The doctors are sick motherfuckers.

>>643947
no it isn't
he isn't strongly familiar with jap culture silly

>>645042
>that moment when you realize that if you read romanji words as a native spanish speaker, you are pronouncing it exactly as the japanese
I'm jelly

>>655745
>Black Man

>>655635
They changed Bombman's name because of 9/11. They also changed Fireman to Torchman, because "America's firemen ;_;"

>>659439
>spook man

>>655745
Yeah, we ended up being lucky. Yeah? Yeah..?

>>659282
>>645042
Hell, any Mediterranean language for that matter. Italian, Spanish, and Greek, and maybe some others. Those languages focus a lot on enunciating the consonants and generally pronounce the words as they are spelled. And for those of you who still remember, the "Rrrrruuus" from PSG are real in these languages. And much easier for them to perform.

>>655741
Man, the things those animators can get away with if it's only for a frame.

>>657747
So it's basically FCR, minus the "so funny /v/ culture references", in video game form?

>>659561
>and generally pronounce the words as they are spelled.
That's because they're using scripts made specifically for those languages, you know.

Unlike English.

>>659584
English has been using the Latin alphabet for over 1300 years.

Besides, the alphabet derives from the Greek alphabet which itself came from Phoenician, an entirely different language family altogether.

>>659584
Yeah, I remember Greek. With the exception of "oi", "ei", "ou". and "ai" (which are pronounced as "ee" for the first two and "ooh" and "eh" for the last two), everything made sense. There were consonant equivalents, such as "γκ", "γγ" (both make a hard 'guh' sound), "vt" (v is actually lowercase N, and it makes a hard "dh" sound) and "μπ" (which makes a hard 'buh' sound). Basically, some of them make sense, as if you say mp fast enough, it sound like b.

Words like Rendezvous were rewritten to reflect how they are pronounced. In this case it's "Ραντεβου". And P is the Greek R.

>>648297
I always read that line as "shi-it!"

>>659635
Also not retro.

>>652227
The three first games are translated extremely well IMO. Fourth game (Apollo Justice) on the other hand is a damn rush job. It's numerous spelling errors certainly doesn't make the game any better.

Also translation general?

>>648553
>It was their way of proving how edgy and cool they were compared to Nintendo's kiddy shit.

Which Sega did as well, but Sega failed. Sony still exists and still poses a threat to Nintendo's third party relationships.

>>655665
Better than Days of Ruin at least.

>>655526
So that explains why Diamond and Pearl were Something Awful.

Imagine if 4chan did a translation?

">Using Water types"
">In a Electric gym"
"I seriously hope you guys don't do this."

>>659657
>mfw Kirlia evolved into Gallade
>tfw no qt3.14 Gardevoir gf

>>659718
>implying you won the battle
>implying charmander is evolving
>implying that's not charmeleon

>>659718
>>659724
Should the games automatically make the text green?

>>659730
pretty much every bit of system text would just have >implying in front of it until you threw your gameboy out a window

also if the game ever displays the same digit next to itself whether it's in an item display or your money or damage/health in battle or just the clock it will go into a 50 message loop about checking out its doubles that you have to advance through until you throw your gameboy out a window

when you throw your gameboy out the window the accelerometer detects it and says it was trolling you and calls you a fag

The only people who don't like Woolsey's translations are weeaboos. Pretty much every change he made improved the games.

>>659787
You know, Woolsey wasn't perfect, but he actually had a grasp on some form of writing and syntax and colloquialism, which is more than I can say for fan translations that pride themselves on snobbish "authenticity".

I'd rather have a few oddball woolseyisms and questionable truncations or romanizations to contend with than the flat, robotic, and painful literal translations that ironically fail to convey any nuance or personality that isn't encapsulated in a fucking running-gag idiom.

Thank god most prominent translators don't ascripe to that absolutely boorish localization-is-the-devil juvenile mentality.

>>659736
Or maybe the game creates a new system, where it would say "check those dubs" when comes across a lv 22 pokemon, or whenever your pokemon reaching doubles. Luigia would've been called Dubzgai because it learns a new move every 11th level, effectively getting dubs. As would Ho-oh, but screw him.

>>652528
Yeah I'm going to have to say you're a lying faggot. It had just as many munerune memes, gags, and puns as the Western version did.

>>659854
seriously, I don't know where these people come from, pulling those opinions out of their ass

is this board just better at night

>>659863
Phoenix Wright in Japanese is named Ryuichi Naruhodo. Naruhodo means "I understand" or "I see" or something like that. It's literally the same fucking joke.

>>659949
I don't see why they need to change their names, though. This isn't the 80's anymore, that blatant Americanization shit is best left in the past.

>>655745
>Nuke Man
>AND Uranium Man
Wow.

>>660043
kids don't fuck around when it comes to imagination escalation

>>659810
I like what the guy who's currently retranslating FFVII is doing. He's firmly on the boat of localization, but he felt the original localization didn't do a good enough job (although he says Michael Baskett did as good a job as he could have done given the circumstances). He is retranslasting it to make it more accurate to the original Japanese, while avoiding being overly literal and changing things like Japanese-centric puns into something we understand.

>>660086
Oh, but he got rid of "let's mosey", so commence the rage, I guess.

>>660086
the original felt barely localized, it was clearly a rough as hell translation. If they actually had a localizer I feel bad for him

>>660086
The Spanish language translation is hilarious, though.

>>660095
Michael Baskett was roughly in the same spot as Woolsey, only where Woolsey took liberties because he wanted to add flavor, this guy took liberties because he had absolutely no communication with Square HQ, and so a lot of time he was in the dark as to what they were going for with some pieces of dialogue, monster names, references, etc. For lack of a better way to describe the situation, FFVII's script was Japanese as FUCK, and had many puns and gags that would only be recognized as such by Japanese speakers, let alone get them.

>>655745
>blade man
>blader man

Needs bladest man

>>660127
>Honeybee Inn

yeah I can see that, if I had to localize that shit in the 90s AND deal with a deadbeat dad game company I'd throw my hands up and just do whatever

>>660142
And they said Nintendo was bad.

>>660086
Sounds neat. Got a link?

>>660142
Thankfully, by FFVIII and IX Square finally realized that cheapening out on the localization process was hardly the ideal way of doing things, so they upped their standards and got an actual team together.

>>644719
Growing up, a local history professor and part-time neckbeard would hold a summer class for kids where we'd all go to a room with one long, long table and play fantasy battles with miniatures. He cobbled together his own system so that he could use all different kinds of armies; Spaniards vs. Englishmen vs. Arabs vs. Dwarves vs. Elves, and so on. One of the special rules was that, once a game, the Arab player could declare a Jihad and gain a +1 bonus to all roles, but in order to get the bonus he had to yell "ALLAHU ACKBAR" at the top of his lungs.

Good times. My favorite army was the undead, by the way. The skeleton giant was kickass.

>>660150
http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=11867.0

This is the main thread, although the retranslation project has been merged into a compilation of other projects from the author called The Reunion:

http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=11649.0

I believe you can choose which parts to install separate from others. A new version is supposed to come out soon. Keep in mind the retranslation isn't done, though. He's only about 65% done with it.

>>660172
>Arabs vs Undead
>by a history professor
Alabama State U?

>>660172
I used to call the humans in Warcraft the "americans" while the orcs were "indian goblins" as a young one.

It has hardly anything to do what you said, but I felt it was worth stating.

>>660185
No, sorry.

>>659949
>Phoenix Wright in Japanese is named Ryuichi Naruhodo. Naruhodo means "I understand" or "I see" or something like that. It's literally the same fucking joke.

Not really. "I see" is not the same as "Wright"

You can't use it in the same joke.

"He's wright!"
"He's I See!"

Second, big deal. Most anime have pun names like that but they never get translated unless 4Kids licenses it

>>659635
The first three games are retro. AP is not, in fact it should rot.

>>661158
>The first three games are retro
No, they aren't. GBA isn't retro.

>>661167
>2001

Ah shit you're right.

>>661119
>Second, big deal. Most anime have pun names like that but they never get translated unless 4Kids licenses it

That's what I was saying, his argument was that the game was less pun-filled in Japanese.