/vr/ - Retro Games

If you're going to treat it like some momentous thing, play the original Famicom version.

>>6469749
The one from FF Origins.

>>6469749
>>6469751
This. You're a pussy otherwise

>>6469749
>What's the best version to play?
As always, the original. Especially since the way you word it makes it sounds like you don't truly care for it you just want to have it beaten, well here's the deal m80: if you haven't beaten the _real_ version then you haven't beaten it, full stop. Your 'achievment' can only be valid if you play the original.

>>6469749
you should probably just play the gba version duder

>>6470139
>full stop
Kill yourself.

Original nes version with the English translation patch. It's actually a fun game if you read and understand the mechanics before jumping into it.

>>6469749
>>6469774
>>6469751
Whoaoahaoh guys im gonna commit to playing the WORST FINAL FANTASY GAME for the LULz

>>6469749
Any version thats not the PS1 version.

>>6470201
I always kind of liked it. Kind of a shame it got such a reputation.

>>6470208
He's not talking about 8 though.

>>6470208
It's far from being the worst. Any of the PS1 FFS are worse.

>>6470803
>HOW DARE SQUARE SWITCH PLATFORMS

>>6470810
bait or just retarded?

>>6470820
If you can't tell.....

>anons in this thread acting like FF2 isn't a fucking slog

>>6470810
>projecting
I don't give a rat's ass about the Square so called "backstab". It is my honest opinion tho. I was talking about mainlines, by the way. FF Tactics is among the best FFs, personally.

I'm about to do the PSP version. I played the original in high school. I'm actually trying to play through every FF game ever made in one format or the other, its already a fucking slog one game in

>>6469749
I think the GBA version was the best. WonderSwan if you want the 8 bit feel. I'm sure there's some bugfix hack out there.
It's not a bad game. It is however in the style of a Japanese computer game, especially the dungeon design. It's very clearly designed by someone who was designing 1st person dungeons.

>>6469749
PSP.

>>6471087
IMO, the GBA version of II is a moot point. Origins version has better sound and image quality and the PSP version has all the extras from DoS plus more, as well as a more "friendly" growth rate and general better music quality.

>>6471112
Doesn't Origins also stick closer to the NES difficulty, including limited spell uses per level instead of MP?

>>6471118
You're thinking about I not II. II never had the Magic charge system.

>>6470810
>iphone-spammer is a wojak-poster
fitting

GBA version
>No bugs.
>Great pixel art.
>Grinding isn't mandatory.
>No loading times.

Great game, ignore the memes. People simply dislike the old jrpgs because they lack of that anime quality you find in later games.

I played it on the psp, it was ok, the story is a lot darker than the first one but it's a word for word copy of the original star wars trilogy. The leveling system was stupid but i didn't had much trouble with it outside of a few battles. It's honestly not as bad as people say

>>6469749
bro, it's ff2, not ff13

The GBA version is great because of the added scenario at the end.

FFII has it's flaws but it is still an enjoyable game. The story is great and can be pretty dark for its time. FFII is one of my favorites in the series.

>>6469749
I played through the GBA version when it was new(ish) on my GBA SP. I loved it and the post-game extra content at the end was cool.

People here shit on the GBA ports but I played through them all at the time.

>>6470180
It's a Britfag thing

FFII is not perfect, but kinda underrated. First FF with memorable characters and a setting with some weight, just for that, I think it's worth a playthrough. Try the GBA version for minimal aggravation.

Minwu is so cool. Most badass white mage ever.

>>6470803
Now this is contrarianism. I like how you guys trip over yourselves in an effort to seem unique constantly posting dumber and dumber opinions.
>>6471382
Actually people dislike 2 because of the poorly implemented keyword system, the fact that one step too far to the left gets you killed, the fact that they don't explain ANY of the core mechanics to you like needing evasion to get evasion or 90% of the armor damaging your ability to cast magic. In addition, the encounter rate was far too high and the dungeons were filled with far too many empty rooms which jacked up the encounter rate in them. Having to constantly go back and forth to Finn really hurts the game and it's overall much worse than 1 and 3 in every conceivable way. It's ironic you whine about anime when 2 is by far the most anime of the original NES trilogy complete with evil childhood friend rival and evil enemy super weapons. This is bar none the worst of the first ten Final Fantasies and insisting on liking it for epeen points is pathetic. I highly doubt you've even actually played the game.

>>6469749
if you want to make it some dramatic pilgrimage, nes
you’d probably enjoy gba more, but it might give you less to bitch about

>>6471679
Based post

>>6471679
>complaining about the keyword system
how was that even a problem for you
i’m not sure how you came to the conclusion that japs ripping off star wars is anime, but i guess you are correct to say that ff2 does not have a tutorial that tells you everything
shit was pretty wild back then

>>6471910
>how was that even a problem for you
it wasn't a problem to him, he just heard ProJared cry about it

>>6471580
Yeah, and "y'all" was a southern American thing until discord trannies got their hands on it. Again, kill yourself.

Thanks proJared for immediatly rendering any criticism against FF2 nihil I guess
https://socksmakepeoplesexy.net/index.php?a=ff02

>>6472070
i'm not the poster you're quoting, but i am a britfag. i had no idea trannies had started saying "full stop"

>>6472071
>https://socksmakepeoplesexy.net/index.php?a=ff02
SMPS is a fucking faggot roastie, their argument has no grounds

>>6472217
Pitchfork is a man. There are several writers on this website.
You're too stupid to read more than a few paragraph anyways. I posted that article for the quality lurkers

>>6471910
>ff2 does not have a tutorial that tells you everything
yes they had manuals instead

>>6472427
and this is why westerners hate this game so much: because it never was localized.

>>6471679
I'd rather play a gameplay and exploration focused RPG than 3 slow as fuck RPGs with never ending cutscenes. Sue me, faggot.

>>6472071
Don't blame him, blame the contrarianism of this entire website
>19XX
>This thing sucks!
>I agree, it's pretty bad.
>20XX
>This thing sucks!
>What the fuck dude it's the best thing ever made stop parroting [RELATIVELY POPULAR PERSON WHO ALSO SAID THING WAS BAD]'s opinion!

>>6472672
See the key difference is that in 19XX there's a good chance that the person say the first statement is in fact quoting from personal experience.

>>6472071
nice "criticism" you linked. Half of that article is crying about Kawazu's game design (challenging, sadistic; expects you to give up instead of completing the game). The guy literally admitted to getting filtered by SaGa games, of course he'd have a problem with FF2 as it's balanced against you and doesn't hold your hand (though most SaGa games are much harder). There's absolutely nothing wrong with limited inventory space and this "just hit yourself"-meme is absolutely retarded and I highly doubt that guy seriously did that in his playthrough. Not only is it tedious to set up, but all of that extra HP is entirely superfluous. The only valid flaws are that some spells need an ungodly amount of uses before being somewhat viable and the pacing being garbage (it's an NES-era JRPG, though, so I don't know what he was expecting. FF1 and FF3's pacings aren't much better). And the keyword shit isn't even mentioned in this article, so I don't know why the fuck you'd link that when this is the main reason you were called a ProJared shill in the first place.

>>6471679
imagine getting filtered by a fucking keyword system

>>6474241
Isn't there only like some dozen or so words anyways

>>6474005
Maybe because there's more than one person who think this game is garbage, you autist.

>>6472636
Then you play FF1 and 3 not the 2nd one, lol.

>>6474262
What the hell does I and III have to do with the post chain, retarded faggot?

>>6474258
This doesn't make any sense considering how nobody ever said you are a ProJared shill for just disliking FF2.

>>6474249
yeah, you can go through all of them on one NPCs in roughly a minute, and considering how most people emulate it, that'll be even faster with fast-forward enabled.

>>6474429
Because FF2 is the most anime-like of the NES FF. It's also the most linear.
go there!
Now do that!
Now go there

Good simp

>>6474602
>star wars is my favorite anime

>>6474602
yeah no shit, faggot. I play FF2 for the gameplay, not the linear plot I couldn't give two shits about.

>>6471679
>Actually people dislike 2 because of the poorly implemented keyword system, the fact that one step too far to the left gets you killed, the fact that they don't explain ANY of the core mechanics to you like needing evasion to get evasion or 90% of the armor damaging your ability to cast magic. In addition, the encounter rate was far too high and the dungeons were filled with far too many empty rooms which jacked up the encounter rate in them. Having to constantly go back and forth to Finn really hurts the game and it's overall much worse than 1 and 3 in every conceivable way. It's ironic you whine about anime when 2 is by far the most anime of the original NES trilogy complete with evil childhood friend rival and evil enemy super weapons. This is bar none the worst of the first ten Final Fantasies and insisting on liking it for epeen points is pathetic. I highly doubt you've even actually played the game.

it’s tough to believe that anyone got stumped by the key terms in the game
it hardly requires literacy beyond a second-grade level

>>6474602
It's a lot less linear than III faggot. III even demands you have class X or Y in your party during some parts. And even then, counting outside of the NES FFs, it's a lot less linear than IV or VII and anything that came after it with exclusion of XII and XV.

>>6471679
>Actually people dislike 2 because of the poorly implemented keyword system
Wat
The system was basic as fuck. It's so barebones that there's barely anything implemented, let alone "poorly" implemented.
And IMO, it added some flair to the game.

>>6475268
>it's a lot less linear than IV or VII and anything that came after

Hang on there, I don't think that II being linear is a bad thing at all or any rpg that is much more narrative focused but that's not true at all. IV, VII and VIII all have much less linear third acts that coincide with gaining the airship and opening up the worldmap with opinonal side quests. they're less linear than II was and that's not a bad thing for it's time.

>>6471679
>Actually people dislike 2 because of the poorly implemented keyword system
The keyword system is inoffensive, were you trying to pad your post or do you really find it hard to master?

>the fact that one step too far to the left gets you killed
So it is hated because the game provides you freedom to explore the map and risk entering a dangerous zone? Dragon Quest 1 and almost every rpg during the 80s was already doing that, and open worlds seems to be popular nowdays. I thought that openess was a great and distinctive quality of FF2.

>the fact that they don't explain ANY of the core mechanics to you like needing evasion to get evasion or 90% of the armor damaging your ability to cast magic.

Is a jrpg, not Dungeons & Dragons. I doubt anyone actually understands the formulas behind any FF except for speedrunners and autists. You tell me that wizard being handicaped by wearing armor is surprising? I don't know what's so hard in a franchise that produced 5's job system and 8's junction system.

>encounter rate was far too high
Out of your ass. The encounter rate is about the same.

>were filled with far too many empty rooms which jacked up the encounter rate in them.
Here we go.
Here we fucking go.

Everytime someone come ups with the empty room meme, it makes me wonder if that person has ever played any FF ever.
FF1 did it:
http://uffsite.net/ff1/images/maps/marshmap3.gif
http://uffsite.net/ff1/images/maps/templemap3.gif
http://uffsite.net/ff1/images/maps/seashrinemap2a.gif
http://uffsite.net/ff1/images/maps/seashrinemap1.gif

Go find the rest, anyway, is just a forced random encounter out of the 100 random encounters jrpgs impose you omg. Maybe you prefer Kefka's tower and its 1000 floors of random encounters.

>>6475360
>Having to constantly go back and forth to Finn really hurts the game and it's overall much worse than 1 and 3 in every conceivable way.
Yes, it is true you are forced from time to time to return to the base. Is part of the game that you are not just your average anime party were you move forward without looking back. You are part of a rebel army, and the story revolves about that. You later can fly and navigate, stop being a faggot.

>It's ironic you whine about anime when 2 is by far the most anime of the original NES trilogy complete with evil childhood friend rival and evil enemy super weapons
Yes, and only 1% of FF 'fans' actually have played those. Anime doesn't mean that there is actually a story, but that the story is compelling to edgy teenagers that want stories with characters the likes of Cloud and "whatever" Squall. It is obvious they will hate the NES trilogy for being old, and 2 for whatever that HG101 article has said.

By the way, there are multiple remakes, there are no excuses.

I unironically prefer this to 3, 4, and 6.

>>6475340
I completely agree with you, but that other retard didn't say jack shit other than the game drives you from point A to point B, to point B to point C, etc. And honestly, II is not that rigid in its exploration. For instance, IV is a complete corridor game but cleverly disguised, and yet that doesn't subtract from the experience itself thanks to the presentation and the pacing of the story.

>>6471679
>seem unique
>in an indonesian anonymous basketball spreadsheet meeting chatroom
You're completely retarded. Why is it so alien to you that people don't like later installs if FFs? Personally, I'd rather play I or II than the shitshow that are VII, VIII and specially IX. And even X. It's not a matter of being objectively bad or good, I just don't think they're worth it.

>>6475360
the pandaemonium is probably one of my most favourite final dungeons in terms of design, especially the top floor. Speaking of FF2, are there any good hardtype romhacks for the GBA version?

>>6474968
>valid points become invalid if some internet celeb cite them in a video
based contrarian retard

>>6475782
>valid
you mean "valid points" such as "muh poorly implemented keyword system", even though that system is so fucking simple and inconsequential that there's nothing to even "poorly implement"?

>>6475841
The keyword system barely serves any purpose and most NPCs answer nothing but "?" until you pick that one correct keyword, which makes you wonder why there's such a system in the first place.
That shit was obviously rushed and thus poorly implemented.
If you want a good keyword system just play wizardry.

>>6475865
>until you pick that one correct keyword
what do you mean by "until"? Did you seriously just randomly try out keywords on NPCs until you got the correct one? Unless you have the reading comprehension of a six-year-old, it shouldn't be hard to see which exact keyword you should use, considering how heavily it's hinted at in the dialogue. And why do you even give a fuck about that? Like I said, the keyword system is so fucking inconsequential that I didn't even really notice it during my playthrough of FF2. How can you come to the conclusion that people hated FF2 for something as tiny as that fucking keyword system? FF2 has other problems, s.a. spells like Flare, Ultima, etc., being useless until you have used it hundreds of times, but man that wrpg keyword shit is definitely not one of the flaws. It's like complaining about dialogue choices in JRPGs when those are obviously more fleshed out in WRPGs and not really a feature of JRPGs. It was probably only added due to Kawazu's experimental nature and, to be honest, I'd much rather have him experiment around than stick to the same, boring, old formula as we then get great games like Romancing SaGa 2 as opposed to the story-focused shit that is later FF games.

>>6475970
When did I say I hated FF2 because of the keyword system? Hell, I didn't even say I hated that game.
Of course the keyword system being shit is 'inconsequential' and nobody is going to be lost in the game because of it, but it's still a poorly thought out mechanic that eventually does nothing but adding slightly more tedium and saying so is valid criticism, may you like it or not.

>>6470208
Don't be such a dick. Runs like that can be the most fun and memorable. I once deliberately tried to get the worst ranking in MGS3, and rambo'd my way around, suiciding off cliffs. If he's doing it for a laugh, let him laugh.

>>6469749
>Against my better judgment
II's terribleness is completely overblown . It's not even a bad game

>>6471679
>the fact that one step too far to the left gets you killed
Hilarious since people cry all the time about Final Fantasy games being to linear

>>6475492
>he pandaemonium is probably one of my most favourite final dungeons in terms of design, especially the top floor.
Best Music as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=056K3TLNlcM

>>6469751
>>6470139
The NES version is literally just a shittier version where everything takes longer to do and there's tons of bugs/glitches

PSP is the least bad version of the game. Don't listen to the purists telling you to play the Famicom versoin, it's the worst.

>>6472449
>it was never localized
FF Origins (PS1)
FF DoS (GBA)
PSP remake
iOS remake

>>6475841
>that system is so fucking simple and inconsequential
that's why it's bad, retard

>>6476154
this
even as someone who loves to play FF1 on the NES, the NES version of FF2 is just terribad and should be avoided at all costs; the GBA and PSP remakes are infinitely better in every way

>>6476183
NES version, retarded pokefag

>>6475970
>How can you come to the conclusion that people hated FF2 for something as tiny as that fucking keyword system?
Not him, but I dropped FF2 pretty early on and one of the reasons was the tedium of the keyword system. I actually did hate it and it reduced my enjoyment of the game.

>>6476135
probably my favorite ff soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaCLoLBdxTU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kYUs_3ixWM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5it_NVQkJk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZDDAp6ZLEg

https://youtu.be/PewVCFyqNnA
they actually got rid of this because it sounded too optimistic

>>6471580
Not even the right hemispehere, Yankee Doodle. Literally everybody but you illiterates calls it a full stop. I'm not going to change my speech just so you cowboys can understand me.

>>6476838
>cowboys
Are you from the past?

>>6469749
GBA for gameplay, Famicom for the graphics/music having soul.

I really would like a rom hack that makes the gameplay of the famicom version less punishing like the GBA version.

>>6476883
>Famicom for the graphics/music having soul.
Fucking purist.

>>6476893
he's not wrong

>>6476192
nobody ever said it is bad, he said it's poorly implemented. How the fuck are you supposed to implement something as simple as that "poorly"? It's a WRPG mechanic for fuck's sake, don't expect it to be well implemented in a JRPG. It's like complaining about the lack of dialogue choices in FF6.

>>6475996
>When did I say I hated FF2 because of the keyword system?
Had you carefully read my comment, then you'd have seen that I never said you hated FF2, but that you insinuated people hate FF2 for the keyword system, which you did:
>>6474968
>Actually people dislike 2 because of the poorly implemented keyword system

>>6476183
it, as in the manual.

>>6476883
I'd love a romhack for Romancing SaGa that turns it into FF2

Ricard>>>>>>>>That cuck faggot Kain

>>6477248
he was saying it was bad
maybe a bit too complex for him

>>6476883
Disagree!
https://youtu.be/iH83CgXjZ9I
https://youtu.be/b8TdhrqIc9c
https://youtu.be/E1snk8yFcN8

This game has one of the best OST of the series by the way.

>>6476135
3 has the best final dungeon track https://youtu.be/p20oS9OHZXY

>>6478047
holy shit, those gba tracks are amazing
>>6478063
you mean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HnguIsj-tQ

>>6478063
I love the final dungeon in 3. You may want to check out FF6 T-Edition, that hack adds the crystal tower to FF6 and you fight the fiends from FF4 there. It's really well done.

>winning a fight and all your party members run off the screen
so satisfying

>>6478287
ff6 t is the retranslation with new content?

>>6478063
FF3 also has one of the best overworld themes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emK5wgrVp3A

>>6478287
Looks cool, but according to the romhacking page, it's not in English. Has it been translated yet?

>>6477280
To be a cuck Kain would have had to have had a relationship with Rosa. He's even more pathetic, he's a simp.

>>6479592
>Looks cool, but according to the romhacking page, it's not in English. Has it been translated yet?
You're in luck, anon. I just feel like spoonfeeding a retard. Here you go:
http://ngplus.net/index.php?/forums/topic/992-mod-information-translation/&

>>6479264
yeah, a lot of new content. Took me 170 hours to play through

>>6479592
also make sure to run this lua script simultaneously: http://ngplus.net/index.php?/forums/topic/1119-t-edition-english-lua-version-requires-windows-snes9x-rr/

>>6480059
jesus
how much of that was option stuff

>>6480607
*optional

>>6480607
probably around 120-130 hours. I entered the WoR at ~50 hours, for instance. The person who made that translation hack had 240 hours of playtime in the end since he also did all the challenges like getting all Gau rages, using Umaro's special attack 500 times, etc.. I didn't do that since you can unlock all the costumes in Eureka anyway; those challenges are just there so these costumes stay in NG+ (the costumes also change some stats, so they're not just cosmetic). If you're planning on playing it, note that there's a huge difficulty increase once you enter WoR, and it only gets worse from here on out (so don't go into WoR underleveled or you'll have a miserable experience). Some EX bosses, like Mateus, Zeromus, and so on, are a huge pain in the ass, although that is pretty much the peak in terms of difficulty in this hack, followed by the soul shrine. Kefka is also quite challenging, although not as difficult as any EX bosses (note that you likely won't beat him without doing the extra content, though; he has a few attacks that could even wipe a lvl 90 party).

>>6479664
>>6480065
Thanks for the spoonful
Sincerely, a Retard

>>6474968
e-celeb trash, kys faggot.

>>6469774
/thread

>>6469749
PSP, I think.

FF2 is fine I guess. It was doing something all games where back in the NES era just doing whatever they want and see what sticks. It's main issue is both having most of the leveling under the hood and making it kind of hard to understand how well you are doing in terms of leveling your stats. Yes it tells you your weapon/spell levels but all your stats increase using it's own system and would be good to know if the way you are playing is working or not. But that really is nothing but it's kind of big flaw just how hard the game gets if you don't level "the right way" Where enemies can just one shot your teammate if you haven't leveled "the right way" People keep using "hit yourself for HP" but around the half way mark enemies will take off percentage HP and you need high Agility which you really only get if you go around naked or in cloth.

I wouldn't call FF2 just like with lots of games back in the 80's was trying something new and weird and didn't work out.