/vr/ - Retro Games

>Spectrum thread
These usually don't do well due to shitposters who feel the need to inform everybody how shit it is and how poor Europeans apparently are.

Here's a good thread from last year, the shitposting in it will be exactly the same in this thread if it garners any attention;
>>/vr/thread/S6089430

So, let me get this straight: it's okay that Spectrum threads get shitposted into the ground so hard and so often no one wants to make one anymore, but god forbid I call MJ's father a child abuser? Am I getting that about right, /vr/ mods?

>>6443920
Neat. I always wanted a BBC Micro myself. We still had one in our Junior school Classroom in the early 90's, got to take turns playing on it during breaks when it was raining outside. I still remember the feel of the keyboard and the patter of the rain on the old school windows 'twas as comfy as fuck.

>>6443920
OI ME SPECCY MUM, I WANT A GAME FOR ME SPECCY YA DAFT CUNT

Yuropoor trash, fucking vomit inducing graphics, Horace is a faggot, etc

>>6444018
You can't really blame the shitposters with low hanging fruit such as "I was mesmerised by the graphical aesthetic"

>>6444140
I find its eye raping colour to be pretty unique

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v7cFGneuaw

Imagine actually playing this shit instead of the NES and being nostalgic about it lol

>>6444140
>>6444183
I think it's neat. Some indie devs have copied it.

>>6444183
It is. Even CGA isn't that painful

>>6444257
>Some indie devs have copied it.
You're basically making the shitposters point for them

>>6443920
>mesmerised by the graphical aesthetic

It's not even the disgusting colour palette that gets me, it's the fact that every game runs at 5 FPS. How the fuck can anyone stand that?

It even has the same processor as the Master System so why do the games run so poorly?

>>6444821
>It even has the same processor as the Master System so why do the games run so poorly?
Ya think maybe the Master System having hardware sprites+scrolling instead of a frame buffer might be a reason for it?

>>6443920
>Loading them from tape is fine and all but surely there’s some kind of modern flash storage option available?

It's calling connecting the cassette cable to your PC's audio jacks.

>>6444901
>he doesn't download mp3s of Speccy tapes to play from his phone

>>6444220
>>6444220
>Imagine actually playing this shit instead of the NES and being nostalgic about it lol
It's like the gap between Tiger Electronics LCD games and NES.

>>6444924
The Spectrum has more addressable memory than the NES though.

>>6444834
And what about MSX games being much better?

>>6444529
>You're basically making the shitposters point for them
eh maybe but really l’abbaye des morts is a pretty nice game, and you don't even have to play it with speccy graphics

>>6444956
MSX and other systems based on the TMS9919 have hardware sprites, but not real scrolling, at best you can do a crude block scroll.

>>6444956
MSX and other systems based on the TMS9919 have hardware sprites, but not real scrolling, at best you can do a crude block scroll.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oyZ_u_e3Wo

I prefer the MSX ports FROM the speccy myself

>>6443920
Something like this?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Interface_1

>>6444924
Everyone always knew those were shit though, even back when they were hot in the early to mid 90s, when you'd end up with a million of them from different relatives or friends at birthday partys as they were cheap, everyone understood they were shit. I don't know anyone nostalgic for it except for how shit it was. Muh Zed Ecks Speccy though is touted as god tier in the UK and parts of Europe the same way the NES is for my generation who grew up with it in the US. Some of these faggots actually even claim it's superior.

>>6444940
That means jack shit when every game is literally an atrocity to the sense

>>6443920

Stop saying "aesthetic" you little faggot.

>>6444672
Kek, based, fuck bongs and fuck the Spectrum

>>6444940
It means nothing in this case.

>>6445121
>Everyone always knew those were shit though
Ehhhh naw, they were kinda cool, dude. A lot of them sucked ass, is the thing. I had the Batman one and it was fun. Yeah, it's primitive, but that's not the point. The point is that they had a certain charm, almost a throwback to the electro-mechanical games in arcades' past.

>Muh Zed Ecks Speccy though is touted as god tier in the UK and parts of Europe the same way the NES is for my generation who grew up with it in the US. Some of these faggots actually even claim it's superior.
They're either trolling or coping. The ZX is embarrassing. It appeals to a very weird part of me that wants to see that very WORST port of a game that I like out of some completest fetish and that's it.

>>6444991
OK, that image has charm and is compelling. Never thought I'd see one of those for that system.

>>6445849
It does though because you can have more complex game environments. The NES has only 2k of RAM which is really limiting. The Spectrum has 48k of addressable RAM and stuff like self-modifying code can be done which isn't possible on the NES because it uses ROMs.

>>6445862
>It does though because you can have more complex game environments
NES games are vastly more complex and look it, though.
>The NES has only 2k of RAM which is really limiting
Obviously not that limiting since the NES was a smash hit the world over, meanwhile only /vr/ types mention the ZX;etc.
>>6445862
>The Spectrum has 48k of addressable RAM and stuff like self-modifying code can be done which isn't possible on the NES because it uses ROMs.
OK? So your souped-up calculator can do ONE technical aspect better than the NES...notsoyoudnoticeit.geargecarlin@lmao

>>6445862
You left out the whole thing:
> The console's 2 kB of onboard RAM may be used for tile maps and attributes on the NES board and 8 kB of tile pattern ROM or RAM may be included on a cartridge

The Spectrum tends to have the edge when it comes to 3D/FPP games, which is something the NES really can't do that well (you ever seen what Ballblazer looked like on there? lyl). One reason is that the Z80 is better at math-heavy applications than the 6502. And if you were doing the more traditionally computer-oriented genres like strategy titles, the NES is pretty bad at those due to its limited RAM and not having a keyboard.

*and the PPU has 2kb of RAM, so all told the NES had 12kb of RAM.

>>6445849
>Ehhhh naw, they were kinda cool
Not really dude. I mean the coolest thing to me about them was having a tie in item besides the game itself to whatever game or property you liked with official art on the shell and all that. I always thought that was neat, I had a Street Fighter 2 and a Mortal Kombat one. But the gameplay was never more than bullshit meant to maybe kill a few minutes at most, with a Gameboy they were completely fucking pointless and shit. They ended up filling bargin bins and being bought by your grandma who heard you say you wanted Sonic the Hedgehog 3 but it was 60 bucks so she got you this version instead, its just as good! leaving a generation of kids with depressing plastic mockeries of their favorite titles.

For example, the reason why SMB only scrolls in one direction is because there wasn't enough RAM to preserve the status of all the blocks/bricks you destroyed going through the level. Zelda 1 doesn't have free-scrolling maps for same reason--not enough RAM to keep track of everything. A lot of NES games also have unfair enemy spawns due to the limited RAM.

>>6445893
Each to their own, but they were massively successful for a reason, anon. Look at Star Wars toys-they're in the shitter. A product truly has to captivate or else it fails.

>>6445886
It's 4k total RAM. 2k WRAM+2k VRAM.

>>6445896
>implying Super Mario Bros. is flawed in any way
Wow..the zoominations here.
The NES was a fucking Godsend. Rental nights were so awesome.

>>6445898
Dishonesty now? Come on.

>>6445885
>The Spectrum tends to have the edge when it comes to 3D/FPP games, which is something the NES really can't do that well (you ever seen what Ballblazer looked like on there? lyl). One reason is that the Z80 is better at math-heavy applications than the 6502. And if you were doing the more traditionally computer-oriented genres like strategy titles, the NES is pretty bad at those due to its limited RAM and not having a keyboard.

>>6445897
They were successful because they were "video games" that poor kids could afford and were slapped with every fucking movie, cartoon, toy, comic book and video game license under the sun

>>6445903
Granted, you can put additional RAM in the cartridge as many games did but the bare NES has only that much. The Master System came with 8k WRAM out of the box which meant its games didn't have as many issues with unfair enemy spawns and other stuff like that.

>>6445909
Dude, I was spoiled to Mars and back with video games as a kid and you wouldn't believe the collection I had, but I still wanted those Tiger Electronic games too, though I think I had maybe just three at the most at their height, but most everyone else had ones to let you borrow for a bit, so it was another golden age really.

>>6445914
I ended up with lots of them but I never once wanted one or asked for one specifically more than a passing impulse buy, I guess we will just have to agree that you have shit taste and leave it at that.

>>6445910
>The Master System came with 8k WRAM out of the box which meant its games didn't have as many issues with unfair enemy spawns and other stuff like that.
Oh, don't get me wrong, the SEGA Master System is far superior in the color department and possibly even the graphics in general too, so the RAM is important, yes, but the NES was a super fine machine back in the day and its generous collection of classics confirm as much.

>>6445916
>I guess we will just have to agree that you have shit taste and leave it at that.
Hahaha I love you too, anon.

>>6445896
The scrolling is a hack tho. Makes me wonder that if it was ram bound if they did it different in the original on the famicom disk system which had more ram

>>6446040
The vertical scrolling in LOZ is a block scroll done by moving the tile data around, it's not using the PPU scroll registers. This was so it could move the playfield and keep the score/inventory area static. The horizontal scrolling is just standard split scrolling using the Sprite 0 trick to produce a raster IRQ.

In theory they could have used self-modifying code in FDS games but they probably didn't especially if they were planning to adapt it for a cartridge release. Now maybe one of those obscure FDS hentai games put out by Hacker International or whatnot had self-modifying code, but I doubt anything from a major developer did.

>>6445905
But he's not wrong that the Famicom Ballblazer is hot garbage which is probably why it wasn't ever released internationally.

>>6444940
>b-b-but
zoom

>>6444991
I'm sure there are fun games for the "speccy" but the cringe level of fanboyism brits exhibit every time it's brought up guarantees people are going to make fun of it

>>6445064
I hope that's a typo kiddo. Naturally old sound chips can't do scrolling. They also don't do sprites.

>>6446109
Hi, assembly language LARPer guy.

>>6446109
>I'm sure there are fun games for the "speccy" but the cringe level of fanboyism brits exhibit every time it's brought up guarantees people are going to make fun of it
Why can't you just let them like whatever they want to?

>>6445857
>OK, that image has charm and is compelling. Never thought I'd see one of those for that system.
I think it began as a fake-retro PC game but got ported to the ZX Spectrum. I played the Genesis/MD version, which lets you select the style of graphics you want. Honestly think the Speccy graphics look best for it. It really is pretty good, although I got stuck in it.

And then we have Deep Ones, pic related, which is kinda... cheap Unity trash. Didn't seem too hot based on the demo. "Mesmerizing graphical aesthetic", though.

>>6446172
Hi, fucks up everything he parrots and calls everyone who points it out "assembly language LARPer guy" guy

>>6446196
Why can't you just into reading comprehension? Or read the thread?

>>6444018
>>>/vr/thread/S6089430
Ayyy I was the Anon posting most of the recommendations in that thread! There have definitely been handful of interesting releases since then too.

OP here, I'm not even British. I just thought the gaudy clashing colors on black looked kinda neat. An interesting change from the DOS cyan & magenta and washed-out C64 brown games I remember playing when I was little.
Plus it's just plain fascinating seeing what some people have been able to achieve on such weak and primitive hardware:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBYtv08PAQ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QLjzQXYGM4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gGXJ8_tQ6w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMWlYaYbldQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6nPqgR0PK8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWMp-PaagDE
I had no idea that an old UK budget computer could inspire such incredible butthurt. What the fuck?

>>6444140
Why? Are people not allowed to like the look of a game or something? The prose was a little purple, but that's far from the most embarrassing thing you will even read in this thread. I'd way rather have Anons be un-self-consciously showing appreciation than constant boring cynicism from the edgelord "no fun allowed" crowd.

>>6446362
>Why can't you just into reading comprehension? Or read the thread?
I have, and it seems to be positively *stuffed* to the brim with highly opinionated drivel bearing your authorship, Anon.

>>6444529
Uh-Oh! He said the yucky no-no word! "Indie devs", heh, more like fucking basedfag r*ddit*rs right my fellow based big boys? I bet he really regrets doing something so embarrassing as bringing up ind*e devel*pers in a way that wasn't forcing incoherent rage, right guys?

>>6445901
Yeah! He's a Zoomer!
A Coomer!
A Fee Fie Fo Foomer!
A Smigly Smegly Smoomer!

BASED video game discussion :3

>>6446109
I've literally never seen anyone like the Spectrum in an obnoxious way, or without severe qualifications. At most you will have people say it has some cool games, or that it was flawed yet interesting, or talk about the fun they had with it. People taking dumps on the Spectrum are roughly a million times worse in that they derail every fucking thread.

>>6446109
>I'm sure there are fun games for the "speccy" but the cringe level of fanboyism brits exhibit every time it's brought up guarantees people are going to make fun of it.
OK, but you have to take into account that the Speccy was also big in other countries like Spain, which produced in the 80s what is sometimes called the "golden age of spanish software", an explosion of creativity and ideas like the country has never seen again in such scope. What I mean is that not only brits can have nostalgia or appreciation for that computer, and that americans who shit on those games and defend the NES completely miss the point because they didn't live the 8-bits computer scene, which was a very exciting time in Europe, and so can't understand that is not just a matter of playing well designed or crap games but of experiencing a complex and exciting era for videogames.

>>6446515
>because they didn't live the 8-bits computer scene
But we had just that. There were millions of Apple IIs, C64s, TRS-80s, VIC-20s, and Atari 8-bits around and they had games that were actually doing inventive things and creating entire new genres instead of poor quality copies of Japanese games made by some British teenager in six weeks.

>>6446454
>ohai purpleprosefag here
You realize purple prose is purple prose, right?
>>6446458
>I have *stuffed* my shitpost to the brim with high levels of fedora tipping
>>6446467
Oh dear god even your cringe cringes about your cringe

I didn't know the Spectrum of all things was this shitposting heavy.

>>6446634
>>I have *stuffed* my shitpost to the brim with high levels of fedora tipping
Fedoras are pretty badass, Anon. Thanks.

>>6443920
Phantomas I and II
Nonamed
Game Over
La Diosa de Cozumel

>>6446486
>I've literally never seen anyone like the Spectrum in an obnoxious way, or without severe qualifications.
It's because most people on here get their opinions on old machines from YouTubers and plenty of those are uncriticial "muh speccy!" idiots.
There's also the need for autists to talk authoratively about videogames and 8bit machines like the Spectrum are a black hole for their knowledge because they had zero adoption in the USA. This is scary, so any way to write them off as 100% bad is important. It doesn't help that lists of "best games" have usually had zero thought put into them and littered with awful arcade ports etc

>>6444220
>NES

Even Atari blew whatever you just posted out of the fuckin water

>>6446897
That Atari 7800 DD is ass, the NES DD is ass, all ports of DD are ass except the Master System and Gameboy ones.

>>6446701
>doubleniggercringe

What compels someone to actively pursue threads about things that they don't like?

>>6447179
Some people just enjoy a freak show.

>>6447179
In extreme cases, unironically autism. In more usual cases, probably just boredom.

>>6446604
>poor quality copies of Japanese games made by some British teenager in six weeks

let me tell you about a company called US Gold

>>6446903
>That Atari 7800 DD is ass, the NES DD is ass, all ports of DD are ass except the Master System and Gameboy ones.
what a strange opinion

>>6443920
Various SD card loaders exist for it. This is the most popular.
https://www.thefuturewas8bit.com/divmmcfuture
Have one, it works decent enough,

People have made their own.
You can load any audio source, in the past I have used an MP3 player hooked up to the audio input, that was on a 48k Spectrum. Loading times are about the same

>>6446903
>the NES DD is ass
What a fucking faggot, besides not having two player co-op it fucking kicks ass. Clearly you didn't play it as a kid when it was new.

>>6443920
Whatever happened to Zniggy threads? Was the game ever finished?

>>6447272
...was a British publisher?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Gold

>>6448372

A lot of their games are American imports. It's in the name - their intent was to publish the good stuff from the US, a goal they largely did not meet.

>>6448378
Some games were US imports, the really infamous stuff like all those Tiertex arcade ports were made by British developers.

>>6448419
https://www.mobygames.com/browse/games/us-gold-ltd/offset,350/so,1d/list-games/

In the early days it seems like they had mostly American imports while in 1985 onward it was much more indigenously produced games.

>>6448419
>Tiertex
Was that actually a real software house or just some scary bedtime story parents tell to their kids?

>>6448435
That's likely because the NTSC stuff became big multiload disk epics they couldn't adapt to cassette easily.

>>6443920
The problem with the Spectrum was that, well, it was designed to be cheap as it came out when Britain was in a terrible economic depression.

>>6447621
It has about 150 bugs in it.

>>6445885
They have comparable memory and CPU power, but the NES has hardware sprites and scrolling which means it win in jump and run games.

>>6445885
>i'm literally bat shit insane

>>6443920
Kill this abomination of a machine and get an Amiga or Commodore 64 instead.

>>6445064
You can do smoother scrolling with tricks, but most devs didn't bother:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkrm8eoEX-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeBRLHbtOH8

The last one is the MSX2 which does have vertical scrolling but not Horizontal.

>>6446109
>I hope that's a typo kiddo. Naturally old sound chips can't do scrolling. They also don't do sprites.
The guy is obviously talking about the TMS9918 which is a Video Display Controller and was graphics chip used in the MSX, Colecovision, SG-1000, and various other home computers and consoles. It was also the basis for the Master System and Genesis VDPs.

>>6450673
You are obviously "the guy" and likely don't identify as one. Parroting wikipedia as cope only makes you look more pathetic.

>>6450702
>You are obviously "the guy"
Did you not notice that the unique poster count went up?

>Parroting wikipedia as cope only makes you look more pathetic.
Who's more pathetic? The person actually contributing to the conversation or the person who's more concerned about proving to everyone he's the smartest person the room by rubbing his 5 minute google knowledge in everyone's faces?

>>6450702
>You are obviously "the guy" and likely don't identify as one.
Did you not notice the unique poster count went up?
>Parroting wikipedia as cope only makes you look more pathetic.
Yes, you looked quite pathetic doing that here >>6446109

>>6450796
>Did you not notice the cope when samefag coped
No. No one has cared about that cope since phone posting was invented. Long before your time.
>Yes, my cope looks quite pathetic
It does. It really does.

>cope
One one of the most pathetic meme words to come out of 4chan in the last few years.

>>6444047
We still had a Apple II in our Classroom in '98. Hated the bloody thing. The green has burnt into my retinas

>>6444018
Shame, the "shittiness" of Sinclair's systems in general are the main reason I like them, they feel like the closest thing you can get to just gluing a microprocessor to a display and keyboard without going full microcontroller, especially the early ZXes.

>>6450949
>fail
>One one of the most accurate words to describe me
Don't even get me started on cringe

>>6452501
...Still acting like an asshole over a piece of bygone British kit, huh? Weren't you doing this exact same boring old horseshit when I walked by this thread yesterday?

>>6446109
>I'm sure there are fun games for the "speccy" but the cringe level of fanboyism brits exhibit every time it's brought up guarantees people are going to make fun of it
Because they grew up with it, it's no different than Nintendo fanboys or whatever. The speccy does have worthwhile games and I really like the way the games look for the most part. The people endlessly shitting on it or comparing it to nes are so much worse than anybody hyping it up. You guys sound so butthurt that somebody would want to play anything other then the flawless Nintendo games. We get it, Nintendo is better the the spectrum, but the spectrum definitely deserves some love, especially here on /vr/. Please stop acting like /v/idiots. Let's respect what it has to offer without the endless bullshit, it's gross, you're gross.

I'm looking for the name of a game, not sure if this is the best place to ask.
So I have a Microdigital TK90X computer from when I was a kid after doing some research I learned that this is a Brazilian clone of the ZX Spectrum that seems to be compatible with most Spectrum games.
I'm trying to remember the name of the first game I ever played, it was on the TK90X, but I don't know if it was a spectrum game running on this machine or if it was something made specifically for the TK90x (if such a thing exists, I don't know if people programmed games specifically for it), but I can't find it on the Internet, the closest thing I found was "Ali Baba" for the Spectrum, I'm pretty sure the game I remember was based on that, but looking at screenshots I think the map was closer to the MSX version (pic related), the difference is that you controlled a teal truck and you had to evade 4 or 5 identical green enemies while collecting money bags, and I think you had to deliver them at the bottom of the screen, so probably the game is named something completely different.

Also I still have my Microdigital TK90X, but I think I remember it stopped working, I also have many cassettes with some games but I don't think I have all the ones that we used to have.

>>6452510
I just saw a faggot crying about cope and made fun of it. I don't know why you were crying about it or who melted your moms precious little snowflake.

>>6452540
I't very different in that Nintendo made good shit and everything about your snaggletooth cringe is shit and cringe. Your asspained cope just makes it all the more obvious

>>6453265
I grew up with a nes, but feel free to keep making yourself look like an assmad faggot.

>>6453281
>b-b-but muh larp

i consider the NES to be a far bigger PITA to code for than the Spectrum. you have to do everything in the correct order and count clock cycles carefully to even display anything on screen. The Spectrum and most every other home computer is far more forgiving.

>>6452540
The difference is nintendo games still have a legacy to this day while spectrum stuff is largely left to the trash bin of history.

>>6453720
continue to sperg it on every irrelevant thread then.

>>6443920
Throw it trashbin

>>6453474
>sad copypasta is sad copypasta
>sad codelet is sad codelet

Why does the Spectrum live rent free in the rest of /vr/'s head.

All OP said was he had a nostalgic feel toward the ZX.

----

For me I was very when I used to see my dad using the ZX. I barely remember any of the games.

It did introduce me to programming which is my current occupation and now I play ZX spectrum games on my YouTube channel.

>>6454618
>rent free
>reddit spacing
>For me I was very when I used to see my dad using the ZX
cringe
>and now I play ZX spectrum games on my YouTube channel
cringed and zoompilled

>>6453349
What larp? I said they in my post. fucking dipshit, kek.

>>6443920
That's the enhanced version with 128k of memory and a Yamaha PSG. Many later Spectrum games are dual mode and designed to take advantage of a Spectrum 128.

>>6453720
The Spectrum has one of the biggest homebrew scenes of any retro system so calling it irrelevant and no legacy is funny.

>>6450673
I never liked shmups but every Japanese computer/console in the 80s was glutted with the things. One reason I think is that shmups are easier to program than a platformer, there's not as much in the way of physics to account for.

>>6455473
You should've seen him shitposting in a failed TG16 a couple of days ago. Shit was keks.

>>6454618
easy, most of /vr/ doesn't actually care about videogames very much. There is a significant portion of this board who are either asocial idiots looking to fling shit indiscriminately, or else are socially retarded freaks who can only engage in media through the lens of nostalgia and the playground politics of platform wars. Very few people here actually care about videogames on their own terms.

>>6455473
>when you're too retarded to read you own post

>>6454631
He appears to have hobbies, gainful employment, and a relatively normal social upbringing. These are three things you seemingly lack. No, shitposting doesn't count.

>>6456789
Absolutely this, the user base of this site grows more obnoxious with each passing year. It's ridiculous what the state of this board and site in general has become. Not saying that it was ever good, but /vr/ used to be somewhat immune to the retarded shit-flinging that idiots think that this site is about.

>>6456964
>He appears to me be and I'm projecting

>>6459215
>he's still fishing for (you)'s

>>6448769
So does your moms shitty drawers you fucking nigger

>>6457394
There were always idiots, Anon. The difference is it wasn't owned by a fucking crook.

>>6459792
>he's still seething

>>6460887
>he's still shitposting

How old are you, seriously? And how long have you been here? I know you'll respond because you're dying for a (you).
The only one "seething" is you, you sad specimen.

>>6460902

>>6461712
Got nothing eh?

>>6443920
Ive always thought skool daze was an interesting proto-sims type game. It's got a lot of depth for being on such an old system. Both the speccy and cpc have some interesting stuff, especially the homebrew scene as of late.

>>6444220
its like a monochrome gameboy with colored backgrounds

>>6461723

>>6444018
how do shitposters affect this?

How do i activate full screen in fuse emulator? Fuse is still the best emulator?

>>6464810
just take a look at this thread

Is there any good stand alone Spectrum emulator that support CRT shaders?

>have one(1) thread that isn't zelda 64 or emulation arguments
>everyone posts euro hate

never change /vr/. I swear speccy posting are brits just trying to gaslight. just fucking give me the good games and how to play them.

>>6467392
Alt + enter?

>>6467392
There's another one called EightyOne if you wanna give that a go.

>>6470273
>>6444018

>>6470349
Don't work

>he hasn't played the best Castlevania fangame exclusive to the Speccy yet