/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6439732
P.S.
Old thread: >>6415171

So, if you make it blurry and distorted enough, you can more easily imagine it looks better?

>>6439732

I haven't used Wii for emulation since about 2016. Have the emulators made progress since then? I'm looking to run everything up to mid 90's arcade and the pre-3d systems.

>>6439749
Mental, innit?

>>6439754
IDK why you're asking me; I have a Wii but I play original hardware for everything I can afford to.
>>6439749
Uh, no. Not really.
Same game on a shittier TV/monitor >>6437156

Found a multiscan 200sf for $4, is that any good? Not very familiar with CRTs but I've been curious lately and this seems like a cheap entry point

>>6439786
I had a 100SF and it was a nice little thing.
It's not a super high end monitor, but for PC usage it was actually pretty wonderful. Very flexible with weird higher scan rates.

I think you'll enjoy it if it's anything like my 100SF was.

>>6439791
One other thing I remember is that it seemed to have a somewhat green tint, just slightly. But that could also be because it was old when I got it.
It didn't bother me much, and the picture was good.

What's the absolute best quality shader currently? It used to be CRT Royale or xm29 but is there something better now?

>>6439806
The no-shader shader.
Or pixellate, which is good for a 4:3 stretch.

>>6439808

Sharp-bilinear has replaced pixelate for me. Works much differently than regular bilinear.

>>6439774

Didn't mean to quote the OP. Question still stands, if anyone is up-to-date on Wii emulation...

>>6439840
That's a great one, too, actually. I like both.
Sharp-bilinear is definitely more performant on shit hardware.

>>6439754
>>6439842
No, it's still shit. Cheap Linux hardware is the future so no good developer cares to pander to nintendoddlers when a cheap Linux box that is still being manufactured and being improved upon has better performance, video output, and power efficiency.

>>6439925
Yeah, the Wii U is a better linux machine, you're right.
Now LMK when it can do 240p.

>>6439925

Cool. I'm just now getting back into this, and I'm not trying to be spoonfed, but can you give me the name of the box? Or is it just the latest pi?

>>6439972
90% sure that's what they're talking about since they're normies.

>>6439972
>the box
There are a few.
>>6439935
Not talking about Wii U. Even the normie Pi can do 240p, and better than the Wii can, at that.

I’m going to open up my CRT to try and adjust the electron gun alignment to fix some minor blurring that’s really pissing me off. Any advice? I watched some JewTube videos so I think I have a good idea what to do.

>>6440016
What's the problem with sending a 240p image in 480i format with every other scanline black to a HDMI-to-component converter? Isn't that what 240p is?

>>6440047

I'm trying to figure out how to do that right now with an HDMI to Composite on my PC. 480i is okay and I don't mind interlacing, but I want that authentic 240p...

>>6440053
Assuming you integer scale it to 480i what happens is each scanline gets repeated so on your CRT you'd see a solid image with little to no perceivable flicker.

>>6440045
My advice is to not.
Unless you know exactly what you're doing it'll just start pissing you off. And I assume you mean yoke, not electron gun. Unless you have a way to re-evacuate a vacuum tube.
If it's a small enough tube it might be doable; 20" ones are a right pain in the arse though.
>>6440047
One field is shown every 1/30th of a second in 480i. Hiding the odd field (or the even field) gets you a frame rate of 30hz.
In 240p you overlay the fields on top of each other, resulting in a 60 hertz progressive image.
>>6440053
>authentic 240p
>not an authentic console
>30hz
kek.
>>6440061
You almost got it but not really. At the very least your terminology is wrong.

>>6440071
(or 25hz, 50hz respectively in non-Brazil PAL)

>>6440071
>You almost got it but not really. At the very least your terminology is wrong.
How would you describe it?

>>6440084
>how would you describe it?
Like I just did in my post. The two 480i fields are superimposed directly on top of each other, instead of out of phase with each other. This results in a doubled effective frame rate but half the vertical resolution.
>each scanline gets repeated
…is wrong; the individual lines are drawn with the same timings as the lines in the other field, but their content is not repeated.

>>6440061

I think the converter is locked at 480i, but I'm trying to figure out CRTemudriver to see if 240p displays correctly. I'm not aware of any way to add the scanlines/240p display equivalent besides that.

>>6440071

I know that there's no easier, albeit expensive, method of correctly playing than with physical consoles, but I also know that very similar results can be obtained in emulation output, even 30 and 15hz.

>>6440103
On my powerbook G4 running debian, I can make a custom modeline to output 240p without a special driver or hardware.

>>6440112
(ATI graphics)

>>6440103
>even 30 and 15hz
>he thinks those rates actually exist
kek

>>6440112
Your powerbook also has an internal s-video port, while that anon is using a cheap HDMI converter.

>>6440159
>S-Video
I forgot this thing even had S-Video. That's how much I've used that port. I'm using RGB via the DVI-I port,

>>6440176
(with a passive VGA converter)

>>6440159
Pretty much any ATI/AMD card with VGA, DVI-I (or DVI-A if that actually exists) can use 240p/480i modes.

>>6440183
(at least when using open-source drivers.)
On a powerbook the proprietary drivers aren't even an option (non-x86), which simplifies things.

>>6440176
Before HDMI became the standard for HDTVs all decent laptops had S-Video for quick connection to a TV. They often also came with a dongle that combined the Y and C components into a composite signal

Is xm29+ still the meta for Retroarch?

>>6440189
No fucking shit, sherlock.
I know that. I'm just saying I ignore that port's existance because there are better fucking options with ATI cards if you aren't retarded.

>>6440191
yeah sure whatever, Now get out of the CRT thread.

>>6440195
why are you angry?

>>6440191
>>>/v/

>>6440202
sorry sweaty, retroarch is /vr/

>>6440191

>Putting exhaust speakers on a battery powered car

>>6439732
BOFIV is fucking boring

>>6440321
Sorry, not everyone has a propensity for collecting junk at their home.

>>6440071
>My advice is to not.
Any other options for fixing blurring corners?

>>6440372

Let me know how much your emulator is worth is 10 years.

>>6440395
>caring about retro games for the profit
>not love for the games themselves
terrible

>>6440398
this, people like >>6440395 make me sick

they're not trophies, they're games

>>6440395
typical collector retard who doesn't care for the games themselves
embarrassing really

>>6440395
Let me know how much your baseball cards are worth in 10 years

>rgb

>>6440198
Because it's a CRT thread, not a retroarch and LCD thread

>>6440395
kill yourself
>>6440385
Use convergence strips.

>>6440364
t. brainlet with terrible taste in RPG's

>>6440802
Never forget.

>>6440395
>In inflation-adjusted terms, it's better to collect for the PSX now than it was in 2008

As a Playstation owner, this makes me happy. I was focusing on "rediscovering" the SNES back in 2008/2009, so that's when I did most of the buying for that system and just kind of ignored the PSX. Glad that I didn't miss the boat, so to speak.

But, I have to ask... why is there so much interest in old Nintendo consoles (and the Genesis) specifically? As a child I remember more people had a Playstation than an N64, and the sales figures reflect this. You would think that if there is going to be a nostalgia trip, it should affect both consoles roughly equally. And while there has been a noticeable increase in PSX prices from their trough, it's nothing compared to the Nintendo prices. It just doesn't make sense to me.

>>6441035
My favorite part about the PSX is how I can get nice condition working consoles for $15, ATTiny45/ATTiny85 chips (for PSNee) for just over a dollar each, and burn CD-R's for almost nothing. Meanwhile, collectors look for original discs for absolutely no reason.
It's much cheaper to get into than the cartridge-based systems where you need a flash cart. It also makes playing rom hacks and unofficial translations much simpler.

>>6441304
Oh, also, everyone thinking that their PSX drives are failing when they actually just need to be oiled means that they're even cheaper.

And you don't even need to import any expensive cables for RGB; you can just use a guncon adapter to get sync out and daisy-chain a PS3 component cable out of that for the red/green/blue lines.

>>6441304
>collectors look for original discs for absolutely no reason
It's almost as if they collect games instead of playing them.

>>6441418
Good for them, but seriously fuck them for hoarding cartridges.

>>6439732
This is how it looks if you try to take a picture with your phone of your real tv.

In reality its a lot brighter, a lot more colorful with far less pronounced pixels.

God this entire board is full of retards.

>>6441418

>No true Scotsman

For some reason when I emulate games on a wii theres this weird rainbow distortion effect with things that are white like text
but when I run games on real hardware everything looks normal

how bad would you say this geometry is?
Tried to fix it as best as I could but just seems like I just can't do anything about that bending at the top.

>>6441593
No, that's actually what it looks like if you avoid cutting off visual information in a histogram.
I'm shooting RAW.

I like your level of autism guys

>>6441319
I once got a PSX for a buck because the laser wasn't working. It turned out that the peg that pushes the door button was bent and the laser was in almost perfect condition.

>>6441841
I 100% believe it.
Whenever anything goes wrong in a PSX everyone just says "maybe its the laser" and calls it quits.
Blind leading the blind.

>>6441684
It's fine for a consumer-grade TV.

>>6441593
>This is how it looks if you try to take a picture with your phone of your real tv.

99.9 % of the time, a CRT will look much better in person than a pic could ever portray.

>>6441684
It's fine.

>>6441325
You have my attention Anon. These are things I have in my workshop right now

>>6439840
>>6439867
do these work with beetle psx? can't seem to be able to run anything else other than slangp retroarch

>>6442678
Have you ever hooked up an RGB signal to that Commodore monitor? I know there's a difference between the digital and analog inputs, but I saw a video I can't find which had an SNES running off the RGB input in one of those.

what are the best scanline filters.

>>6443202
A Trinitron's aperture grille.

>>6441035
Maybe it's because PSX is so easy to pirate so demand for real discs is lower.
>>6443146
The only thing you lose is there are no 220µF caps on the RGB lines, so there's a slight DC bias. It shouldn't matter much like it does for audio, but it's technically wrong. If you're really bothered, you can put 220µF caps inside the guncon adapter to make it 100% correct.
I also rewired my guncon adapter to output luma on the yellow jack instead of composite video so as to potentially improve the sync stability.
>>6443197
Yes; my particular monitor requires separate horizontal and vertical sync so I used an EL1883 as a sync stripper/separator. Maybe an LM1881 would also work, but it outputs csync and vsync instead of hsync and vsync, so you'd have to connect csync to the hsync line, vsync to the vsync line, and hope that's good enough for it.
Mine does not have digital RGB inputs.
If you have a 1084 (mine's not a 1084) you should be able to feed it composite sync on the hsync line (IIRC) and that will work.

>>6443231
>>6443197
pic of snes on commodore monitor

>>6443235
More pic
Also pictured: electric fan I used as a degausser when I fixed the color purity problems it used to have in a corner.

>>6441035
Nintendo markets old games in their eshop and still has the same few franchises it had back then, so zoomers are more aware of them. Another reason is that 2D games look better than early 3D.

>>6443237
that sfc reminds me of britney spears on south park

>>6443280
Better with the lid off than cut into.
I have a PCB designed that just acts as a spacer so I can play US SNES games on it without removing the top half; I just need to get it fabbed now.

>>6443284
wasn't trying to rip on ya lol, that's cool how are you gonna get it fabbed? also just wanna say the sfc/snes is the greatest console of all time james rolfe is fucking right! just hooked mine up to a 27“ toshiba crt from 2002 super stoked

>>6443303
Eh, I like it, the NES, and the PSX a similar amount.
I don't listen to web personalities much.
IDK, I have CAD files, just have to pick someone to make it. I'm not gonna do a toner transfer.

One of the nicer looking PSX RPG's I've seen.
Still wish that it weren't entirely isometric though. Sometimes it's annoying to move around.

>>6443361
I'm with you, isometric kinda sucks. that monitor sure looks nice, my buddy has one he's not using he should sell it to me!

>>6439732
Posting my favourite [HDcrt] Wega. I've been doing my best to fix whatever geometry issues it has. It was kind of a bitch not even going to lie, but I think the end result was worth it. I did the same for my trinitron since he had some weird bending issues and everything seems good now too.

>>6443379
>HD CRT
kek
>my flat trinitron has shit geometry
Double-kek

>>6443396
Yeah, yeah say what you want about the HDcrt but it fucking makes 'non' retro games look perfect with the deepest blacks I've ever seen.

And I'm not entirely sure why the trinitron had geometry issues. I could blame the lightning that hit the house and messed up a couple of my electronics, but I don't know the basics of that kind of stuff to lay blame.

You can tell that left side had some bending after the incident. Luckily I think I fixed it now though.

>>6443407
>I've never seen a plasma screen in my entire life
kek
>not sure why it had geometry issues
All flats have geometry issues

>>6443408
>all flats have geometry issues
so then what was your original comment supposed to portray?
>plasma
no thanks

>>6443418
>What was your original comment supposed to portray?
>I can't understand sarcasm or irony
Your flat sets are fundamentally unable to have great geometry by nature of being flat CRT's
Plasma is objectively superior for HD. Same phosphors as CRT's use, but with perfect geometry, lower weight, and lower energy usage at the same size.

But OK. If you insist, I guess that leaves more good HDTV's for the non-fools.

>>6443428
(The one exception: if you have a true multiscan CRT capable of HD resolutions. But those won't have HDMI and are exceedingly rare at large sizes).

>>6441684
there's something wrong with the middle bar

New TV, shame about that top overscan. Overall looks decent though.

>>6443661
Overscan's just a fact of life with CRTs, as long as it's only the safe zone in it you should be happy with that.

>>6443661
You say that like it's not adjustable at all.
Also, you live in Japan or something?

>>6443670
Yep it is, so I’m fairly happy with it.

>>6443672
I’ve gone into the service menu, if I try adjusting the top down, the image itself is cut off. Seems like the electron guns are misaligned or something? I don’t know enough about CRT calibration but I’m willing to learn. And yeah I do live in Japan.

>>6443685
Pictures, please.
I don't know what kind of "cut off" you mean.

It might be you need to make it smaller vertically as well.

>>6443689
Ah sorry never mind, it was my fault, my source image was getting cut off. I adjusted the picture now it looks much better.

>>6443726
looks great. take a picture with a game.

>>6443732
Mario 64 on my Wii over D-terminal. Actually looks like the top is moved too far down now.

>>6443783
>D-terminal
The superior nippon AV connector, folded over a thousand times.
Seriously though it bugs me that Japan gets two perfectly good single connector AV solutions with JP21 and D-terminal, yet western markets are lucky if they get component.

>>6443789
I don’t understand why western TVs didn’t use D-terminal. It was so versatile,backwards compatible, clearly indicated what the output bandwidth was...just seems like such a missed opportunity.

>>6443789
>yet western markets are lucky if they get component.
Only if you're a burger.

>>6440802
wait what

>>6443802
i know, right? i live in new zealand where even s-video was rare
i spent my whole childhood and teenage years with nothing but RF and composite, even the last crt tv we got in 2006 (which was even widescreen), did not come with anything better than composite inputs

I’m trying to connect a VGA terminal to S-video. I bought a cheap adapter online, but the picture is black and white. Do you think the issue is the adapter, the S-video cable I bought, or the terminals on the TV? I tried both but same issue.

>>6443802
I'm not a burger, still never seen SCART in the wild in my life. Don't believe people trying to tell you PAL regions were an eternal RGB wonderland.

>>6443812
Was talking more about Europe and how even our comet clearance special had at least 1 shart socket, the wide screen Philips I had around 2006 had like 3.

>>6443821
genuinely forget oz and nz are PAL.

>>6443827
Yeah, we got the worst of both worlds. Though at least we get the perk of more of our systems being natively set up for RGB. I'll never not be amused at people importing PAL Gamecubes just to be better GB/C/A players.

>>6443823
i know you were
when someone says "western market", they usually mean usa or europe.. though nz is a western country as well

at least our tv's generally support NTSC/PAL60 just fine alongside the usual PAL

>>6443869
You’re technically an eastern market though.

>>6443876
in terms of physical location, sure, but culturally we're far close to europe/usa than anywhere in asia
we tend to just get eu games as-is, as we speak english and use PAL (the extra european languages are rather useless here, but they don't hurt anything, either)

>>6443883
fuck i forgot to mention, we even have a union jack on our flag! doesn't get a whole lot more european than that

>>6443876
'East' and 'west' don't mean anything concrete geographically, particularly these days it's just a cultural term. Australia and New Zealand are western culturally, thus they get bundled in with 'the west' despite being closer to Asia geographically.

>>6443231
>I also rewired my guncon adapter to output luma on the yellow jack instead of composite video so as to potentially improve the sync stability.
gentleman and scholar

these two just showed up locally
anybody know if they any good?

Forgive me if this is answered in some sort of continuous FAQ you guys update, but my interest is largely academic anyway so I'm not putting much effort into the question: were late 80s or early 90s Symphonics any good?

>>6444162

the only way to know would be to test them. just being a pvm doesnt make it good, plenty of bust ass machines around

>>6444207
He's asking like 30 bucks for each... and honestly I wouldn't wanna try my luck and go into his place and run tests while he breathes hard in my general direction, yano?

>>6443828
At least your SNES doesn't look ugly as hell, though.
Also you got that Amstrad Mega Drive PC.
–burger

Can anyone ID the crt in this picture? Looks like an fv 310

shitty pic but I think it actually looks like Link

>>6444162
Panny makes good sets, but those look really small.

>>6444310

dont bother then. sets like this arent really for playing games anyway despite the pvm meme. any still functional tube tv will do, but its less common to find anything without problems as time goes on.

>>6445082
>>6445084
Thank you anons.

>>6445087
>>6444162
Also it only supports composite and S-Video, it looks like.
That's not a huge deal, but some consoles (like an S-Video modded genesis) look less good in S-Video than RGB.
It's nowhere near as noticeable with the SNES/N64 though.

>>6445076
eww

>>6445097
also a model 2 with s-video might look better, although a lot of model 2 genesis systems (in NTSC at least) use a shit Samsung encoder chip that doesn't expose luma/chroma to save on other parts. a 32X with S-video would be good though.

>>6445097
By RGB I presume you mean component?

>>6445118
When I say RGB, I mean RGB. Old game consoles output RGB. Old game consoles do not output YPbPr (one exception: early SNES units generate it internally but don't expose it. They do expose RGB).

>>6445135
You'll have to forgive my ignorance, anon. I'm just a passing curious party as far as CRTs go. I guess I'll keep on the lookout for everyone's recommended holy grail Sony monitors, there's a guy in San Diego who sells and services them for hefty prices.

>>6443661
I like that sticker. A relic on a relic.

>>6445141
No.
Don't just look for sony. Panasonic makes some excellent sets, and Sony makes some duds. There are more options than Sony, although there are also nice Sony ones.
My single favorite set is a Panasonic BT-H1390Y, which is mentioned in the same catalog I found your monitor's info in. I also have a PVM-1944Q but prefer the Panasonic.
My personal holy grail would be the widescreen CRT on the third page of this catalog.

>>6445141

wait for the summer yard sales or browse craigslist. you can always find an old trini for cheap or free. just make sure to bring a friend to help carry it, and dont expect it to be listed as anything more than "old tv - must collect" because despite the crt meme its really hard to shift these things. i ended up leaving my trini on the street corner with a free sign.

>>6445171
You mentioned the screen was small at 9", I reckon I should be on the lookout for anything bigger like 13" then, like the ones on that catalog?
>>6445180
I'm always on the lookout, we had street markets and swap meets every weekend here before the covid but I never saw folks selling anything other than really bad looking consumer-grade Wal-Mart TVs and the such. Oh well, thanks anon.

>>6445141
>>6445171
I've got experience with loads of consumer and professional CRT brands, models etc. My personal tier list is:

TOP TIER
Sony
Philips/B&O
JVC

HIGH TIER
Panasonic
Samsung
Sharp

MID TIER
Alba
Toshiba
Bush
Sanyo

LOW TIER
Daewoo
Matsui

CRAP TIER
Any no-name or own brand

This is based on my experiences. Thoughts?

>>6445185
Yeah, 13" and bigger's good. I love my 1390Y (which is a 13" set); if you're playing from further away than about a meter or two you might want a ~20" set or bigger. I'm happy playing my 13" set from that far away but I think I'm in a minority and my eyes are still pretty good.
>>6445203
Your tier list is flat-out wrong.
JVC and Panasonic are owned by the same parent (Matsushita) and the BT-H1390Y has an exact clone in the JVC BM-1400PN-a.
I have been using broadcast monitors since 2004.

>>6445210
(they're similar enough I use the JVC service manual to decode the service menus of the Panasonic)

>>6445210
The tier list is primarily regarding consumer sets, because broadcast monitors are kind of a stupid meme.
I've been using broadcast monitors since before you have, just not for games.

>>6445217
I used an Amiga monitor before that.
BTFO

>>6445220
Amiga monitors are nice. Think you're the only person here to use CRTs before the 2000s? Broadcast monitors are just a dumb option when good consumer sets exist. Why do you think NEC and Ikegami are missing from that list?

>>6445223
>Broadcast monitors are just a dumb option when good consumer sets exist
Yeah, but they're not common in the states. RGB inputs especially.
YPbPr is close enough but you have to make/buy adapters for your systems because (almost) nothing /vr/ outputs YPbPr.
I thought they were missing from the list because you're a brainlet.

>>6445238
>Uses broadcast equipment for games
>Calls someone a brainlet
Like clockwork. You know modding sets for RGB is really easy, doesn't take very long and costs next to nothing right?

>>6445247
Why is it bad to use broadcast equipment for video games anon.

>>6443819
Bump, can anyone help me? Pretty sure I need a new adapter

just watched the new linus vid on the new Thin Radiating Anode Nano Inkjet displays, crt fags btfo!!! how can you cope knowing your tech is now worthless, no arguments anymore crt cucks

>>6445378
That wasn't what devs targeted back in the day, Anon. It's overkill of the worst sort.

>>6444192
So, no takers? Okay, then, that's nice I guess.

>>6445776
this vid? https://youtu.be/RTTiQeXXrhI

>>6445787
That's the one!
better hold onto your crts now because in 5 years you'll have to dig through a dump to find one.

>>6445247
>you know that right?
Yeah. Similarly I had to mod my 1942 to accept a composite sync signal.
>lower TVL is better
Kek.
>>6445781
>they didn't use those back in the day
Except they actually sometimes did. Most pixel art for a long time was drawn on Amigas with (guess what) RGB 15khz monitors with similar specifications to RGB broadcast screens.
My Panasonic broadcast monitor actually uses *the same tube* as my Commodore monitor, but the version with an anti-glare coat (which is quite nice I admit).
I do hate the 20" 800-1000TVL PVM/BVM look though so I agree with you to a point.
But it's much harder to get a consumer set with good geometry/purity and stability (low-bloom). Lots of them also have sub-par SVM implementations which end up making the picture look worse instead of better. And since SVM is part of deflection it can be hard to disable. I've come across consumer sets where the only way to disable it was via tapping into an I2C bus. That requires more than just a soldering iron to do.
>>6445378
It isn't, but it is overkill to spend over $50 on a broadcast screen. There's nothing wrong with RGB modding consumer sets if yours can be. And most can (technically all can but for really old ones you need to be able to power the guns directly which is really bothersome).

>>6445781
Michael Jackson actually ditched Sega for Sonic 3's soundtrack because he was outraged they promoted the game with PVMs

>>6445776
>watches linus tech tips because he can't read and needs things in video form to understand them
>>6445820
>>6445247
P.S.
I'm not opposed to/afraid of modding things on principle, either, since you seem to be under the assumption I'm one of those faggots. Most of my consoles output RGB+sync via RCA jacks.
Also the most I've ever payed for an RGB-capable set in the US is $15. So it really wasn't a waste of money for a low-use set.
>>6445838
perfect usage. Never seen that pic before.

>>6445820
>It isn't, but it is overkill to spend over $50 on a broadcast screen.
So broadcast screens should just not be used at all in general is what you're saying?

>>6445865
My PVM's were free. My non-Sony broadcast screens were free. Sorry you suck too much to get one anywhere but ebay.

I found a trinitron for sale but I don't understand what size the tv is. He posts measurements but I can't tell if it's for the screen or the whole tv

>>6445869
Surely my sense of self-worth comes from something other than my ability to acquire old CRT monitors, anon.
Now that we're past your insecurities, my question reiterated is: If you shouldn't use broadcast screens for gaming, but they're outdated technology not being used to broadcast anymore, does that mean folks should just not use broadcast screens at all and just let them rot or is there some current ever-important task to be done with old broadcast TVs?

>>6445378
They're overly sharp. Ever tried to look at a high TVL (>750tvl) set up close? It's terrible. If you want them to look decent you have to sit far away, which is both a bad experience and straining on your eyes. A large, RGB consumer set is plenty sharp but also soft enough that the image is pleasing and smooth. Broadcast monitors are also by and large <20", which is not a great experience unless your setup is specifically designed that you can sit close but comfortably. Playing at a desk is pleb, and should be avoided when you could be playing on a large screen from a recliner, armchair etc.

>>6445873
It's roughly 27 inches.
His measurements would give a 29" diagonal, so I'm assuming total dimensions and not screen dimensions.
Learn to pythagorean theorem.

>>6445876
When did we ever establish you shouldn't use them for gaming, fuckwit? I'm defending the use of them for gaming if you can get them cheap enough.

Thoughts on Sanyo TVs? Meh?

>>6445878
>Ever tried to look at a high TVL (>750tvl) set up close? It's terrible.

This.

>>6445912
Mid-tier. They made some decent sets for sure but nothing great as far as I know.

>>6445876
Nice deflection
>>6445878
Why 750TVL specifically? Because mine's a 750TVL set and looks decent?
Your problem is with Trinitrons. And it's a fair complaint.
>>6445919
>he fell for the trinitron meme

>>6445940
>I use the bad photo
bleh

>>6445940
Don't have any pictures atm but I have several JVC monitors. All excellent picture wise but just far too sharp for close up viewing even at 480i. The TM-1750cg is my favourite broadcast monitor but stuff like N64 for example looks like garbage on it. I do agree AG look worse at higher TVL. Ideal is around 500tvl at 28"+ imo, and at that point AG or tri-dot or what have you is just preference, I've had many trinitrons that look really excellent.

>>6445919

>>6445912

>>6445919
The BVMs literally look like shaders.

>>6445080
Much better looking than most in this thread, if not for the proper photo alone. Nice.

>>6445958
>flat tubes
>b-buh they have one part that is also used in some pro gear, so that means its basically like pro gear
This is why people think launch playstations are good CD players (due to a decent DAC) despite having one of the wobbliest, shittiest CD pickups known to man. Ignore what you don't want to see

>>6440802

This happened so long ago, I’m glad that it’s not forgotten

>>6445995
You know, until you said that, I completely forgot. Somone did actually ask what they were doing wrong with that configuration.
Thanks for the memories.

>>6445223
>Amiga monitors are nice. Think you're the only person here to use CRTs before the 2000s?
Sometimes, yeah. Board is full of zoomers.
Not that that's entirely bad (good they're showing interest), but it's irritating how little they know and how much they rely on information procured from other zoomers (and YT videos) instead of making their own decisions and forming independent opinions.

I respect people who think consumer screens with RGB are the best, because I have seen such screens and I agree they're very good. But I won't agree with people who say that other kinds of RGB display are somehow inferior without citing technical reasons why they are. You can say that really high-TVL BVM's look worse based on how little of the display's actually illuminated and looks like looking at a screen through blinds, for instance, but not that BVM's are worse because they cost more.
Difficulty to obtain is not a technical argument for inferiority, only an argument for spending your money on other things (e.g., a cost-benefit analysis). It by no means invalidates the pro's of such a set.
Note: I do not own a BVM, primarily due to cost but also because even if it cost much less I'd prefer the softer look of other display technologies.

>>6446465
At the end of the day I think it depends on the kind of look you want to achieve. BVMs and PVMs are really cool from the standpoint of pushing fidelity as far as you can with era-appropriate technology. I totally get the appeal in wanting a SNES or PS1 at the sharpest it could've been in 1995. High end consumer sets meanwhile tend to give the most overall pleasing picture, maybe a little softer but a pretty good representation of the best the games looked at home. Hell even lower end consumer TVs can be interesting if you enjoy the lower fi look, or want to recapture a personal past experience.
I don't get why people get so obsessive over telling people the way that they're enjoying games is wrong.

>>6446502
fidelity is similar in non-sony pro monitors and looks better overall. Crisp without appearing harsh.

Is it possible to output 240p with Windows 10? I’m trying to connect my CRT TV to the computer.
Using:
>CRU
>DisplayPort to HDMI cable
>HDMI to Component adapter (not converter)
>Component cables to the TV
I’ve tried setting up a custom resolution for 240p but I just get a wavy screen.
I’d rather not use a converter because of input lag. I tried a converter but I kept failing rhythm games even though there was no perceptible lag.

>>6443783
looks great. thanks for posting.

https://youtu.be/7DTEWl7geRI
https://youtu.be/DYNsuHnnk1A

>>6445958
Awesome. thanks. Wish I could bag one of these and watch some of my old VHS/DVDs animated shows

Someone’s getting rid of this KV-35XBR88 for free. It’s Sony’s first line of sets with component input. I’d be all over it if it was a smaller size. This one is almost 300lbs.

>>6448252
Owning a set like that with RGB to component adapters would be amazing. Only downside I can think of is that it wouldn't be multiformat.

I don't have a good furniture for my very heavy 34" Sony tv. any recommendations? Should I place it in a corner? It's so big

>>6448252
I recently got a kv-3459t and it was heavy as fuck, I still have sores all over my body from carrying it with the poor uber driver that helped me carrying it

>>6448797
God damn. I hope you tipped the guy.

>>6448809
he was very polite not to accept anything but I did and overtipped him over my own will because shit was heavy af and I felt very bad

Thoughts on this?

It's on Craigslist and it has component and svideo.

Is 32 heavy? I never had a crt before but I've seen small ones and they are thick.

>>6448857

>>6448857
Very large and heavy, a two if not three man lift to be safe. JVC D-series are some of the best tubes out there and with component you really should jump on it if the condition is fine. People will tell you not to pay for consumer sets, but imo a set like that is definitely worth your $75 if you can accomodate it.

>>6448872
Fuck I probably can but I don't have any classic shit to test it out on.

>>6448876
>doesn't have any retro consoles
>buys a crt tv
Do you at least have a GameCube or PS2?

>tfw no battlestation thread in a long time
>too shy to make one myself

>>6439732
damn what a great game.
suddenly i want to go back.

>>6448252
finally, a decent fucking trinitron.
That's what you guys should be looking for, not the retarded flat screen ones.

>>6448857
Tell him "I'll give you $35."
It's not worth $75 and if enough people tell him that no, he doesn't "KNOW WHAT HE'S GOT" maybe he'll lower the price.

>>6449559
>It's not worth $75

Doesn't matter he will get it. The D-series is the best shadow mask consumer set out there and he knows it.

>>6449575
Anyone mentioning games when selling a CRT TV definitely knows what he's got.

This warped geometry is driving me insane. Any tips on how to make this less ass?

>>6446582
You on an Nvidia GPU? Specifically an RTX card? If so the cards are known to be really weird about displaying low resolutions. Could also be your adapter, test it out on other sources if you could. Personally I just gave up and put in an old AMD GPU as a secondary card for CRT gaming.

>>6450618
Shit, I do have an RTX card. I could get a second GPU but I’ll need to buy a new mobo for that too as my current one only has one PCI slot. I was thinking about replacing it anyway. Any old graphics card you recommend?

>>6450489
Throw it out and get a curved screen

Finally hauled this fucker somewhere semi-viable. Excuse the picture, a PAL SNES with composite was all I had to hand.

>>6450489
degauss

>>6450690
How to degauss?

>>6445080
I’ve got that hack too, pretty decent except the magic bar is kind of in the way of a lot of things

>>6449557
>flat screen Trinitrons.
>Used as reference screens in the early 2000's by every home theater magazine in existence.

>>6450489

Looks good except for a minor convergence issue on the top right. Magnet probably fell off.

>>6450630
Depends on how much more money you're willing to spend. If you don't mind the cost, get any old AMD card that's either a HD5450 or newer, and still has native VGA. Then you can install something called CRT Emudriver, which along with Retroarch, can autoset emulated games to run at the correct resolutions on your CRT. Word of warning, you have to enable test mode to run the driver, meaning you won't be able to play certain modern games online, depending on the anti-cheat, but you can setup BAT files to switch back and forth. Note that you'll have to buy a VGA to component transcoder. If that's too much for you to handle, once again buy an old AMD card, and just use your HDMI to component adaptor. I personally use an HD5450 since it doesn't need PCIe power connectors.

>>6450830
>because curved ones were no longer available and people ignored the blatant geometry problems because FLAT
>>6449575
It's a very good one but not objectively the best ever. In some ways I agree with you though.
>>6449593
lots of people say "hey, people online like CRT's, and I have this 12" RF POS in the basement from the 60's."
>RARE VINTAGE RETRO GAMING TV $200 NO LOWBALLERS
>>6450489
>he fell for the flat tube meme
Really, though, I sympathize, Sony kind of fucked everyone over by switching to flat sets right after they started using good video inputs.
That said you may want to consider some of the nicer non-trinitrons if you want more options/availability. IDK how much better it'd be in a cramped country like Japan though where people are less likely to hold on to those kinds of things. Guess it depends where in JP you go.
>>6450852
Or a convergence strip.

>>6451276
I had the same problem buying a Volvo 240. People wanted way too much for rusty pieces of shit.

>>6450830
maybe reference for image-quality, but certainly not for lag/latency when used with vidya-consoles.

>>6440802
Complete idiot faggot stupid brainlet here, what am I looking at?

finally hit up the thrift stores across the city after corona.

this place that usually has nothing cleaned out some church media setups. tons of sound boards and rackmount equipment. there were 6 13 inch pvms of various brands. all have s video and component. i need to do health/color checks on all of them but they were $5 apiece so no loss if a few are duds.

I went to a pretty busy store after that and found a tandy cm-5 for 2$! not sure if it starts up. what computer would this monitor normally be used with? would it work with a tandy 1000?

looks like wild finds have not completely dried up in some areas.

>>6440802
You can tell they were trying too hard when they plugged the left audio into the audio in port instead of B.

>>6445878

I'm about to finish up rgb modding some POS sharp that just had a single composite input and it looks great. it doesn't look better than my s-video trinitron, but it looks like an arcade monitor now. the colors are richer and obviously the picture is much clearer than the composite. it was a trash find and i used maybe $0.15 in components. it's really made me see how much better highend sets are with even "basic" input. I plan on rgb modding my trinitrons next. i might post pictures when i finish the installation

Do you guys just check Craigslist? Do you guys ever go to thrift stores?

Should I buy a crt monitor? I would mostly use it for old pc games and pcsx2/Dolphin emulation.

>>6451891
>Should I buy a crt monitor?
No idea what answers you are expecting in a thread about CRTs and CRT-enthusiasts.

>>6451293
>lag/latency
>CRT

Choose one.

>>6451293
Assuming it's analog a flat screen CRT TV is the same as a curved one.

>>6451860
>thirft stores
>in coronaland

>>6451860
There's one Goodwill near me that consistently had at least one CRT for sale. I got an PVM-8054Q there once for $20. But Goodwills have seriously declined in quality over the past decade. Anything of any value gets sold online nowadays.

>>6452462
It depends where you're living. In smaller towns you still get literal boomers selling their old TVs on Craigslist or donating them to thrift stores if not flat out hauling them to the junkyard.

>>6452478
That Goodwill in particular was in a poorer part of my city. I was talking more about /vr/ stuff in general getting sold on Goodwill's online auction site exclusively. I remember buying a gold N64 + two matching controllers for $20 in 2012, to seeing a number of PS2 and 360s with games for sale circa 2016, to virtually nothing of value in any Goodwill at all as of today. Every single /vr/ game, console, and accessory at my city's Goodwill got auctioned off online in a giant lot starting at $2k last year. I guarantee they would have put that little PVM in it if they had known exactly what it was.

>>6452491
These days anyone with consoles or games will put it on eBay where hoarders will bid high prices.

>>6452491
yea goodwill stores are very hit or miss. you'll want to check actual thrift/junk stores in the ghetto. There's one near me that has new 4-5 sets every few days. i see people buying 32 inch crts all the time to actually use in their house. that's if you just like the hunt. honestly dealing with a boomer for $50 and a good set it the best route for most people at this point.

>>6452575
Anon nobody is buying random CRTs to use as a regular TV considering only the very late models have digital tuners.

who else /rearprojectionmasterrace/?

>>6452638
External digital tuners exist. When I picked up pic related at a thrift store, an older employee mentioned that he had a TV like that he still used with a set-top box.

>>6452841
Damn son that's some shit geometry.

>>6452874
Yeah, it stopped working shortly after I took that photo. Showed nothing but a white horizontal line, so I'm assuming most of its caps were shot.

what's the ideal size for these things?

>>6452886
You're never going to be a labor pilot with a tube that raw.

>>6452918
36-41”

>>6452886
>Showed nothing but a white horizontal line

Caps on vertical deflection side of board or vertical amplifier. Pretty easy fix either way if you know how to use a soldering iron and shop on Mouser.

>>6452949
I hope you're memeing because at that size you'd need at least 3 people to move it.

>>6452935
I've got sharper tubes, thankfully.

>>6452638
the government had like a 10 year program where they gave those things out for free. these people are 40+ years old and have some worn out clothes. they're taking them home to watch the news and shit. there are places in the US where consumer CRTs are actually still used. It's not some gold mine of pvms and trinitrons like everyone here seems to think it the best, but if you want a cheap/free set take a walk on the other side of the tracks.

>>6452991
Now those pixels are as crispy as an Ingram deserves.

>>6453237
Flatscreen TVs can be had for double-digit prices. Why would the average poorfag drag a CRT home when they can get a 30" LCD for $40?

>>6453259
$40 is a lot of money to more people than you might think.

>>6450489
that's some of the best geometry I've seen on a flat tube. Either be happy with it or look for a curved set

>>6450489
i'll never understand why they made flat-screened crts
bad edges/corners are just a fact of flat crts. there's a reason they're normally curved

>>6452060
>what are flat-CRTs with image-enhancing-bullshit introducing lag

>>6454165

HD CRT

>>6454165

HD CRT. Only a small percentage of flats were HD capable

Help me out here guys, trying to run vga to bnc into the back of my pvm and I just get this double image. My scart to bnc setup on my Saturn works just fine, so it isn't that the monitor is fucked.

do certain generations suffer more from non-CRTs than other generations?

>>6455653
You aren’t converting the signal. Also congratulations on falling for a meme.

>>6455858
It was $30 for an 8in desk monitor, kinda bought it for the meme factor

>>6439925
>Linux hardware
>Cheap hardware for fucking emulation
My god, kill yourself.
If you wanna do things cheap you might as well just use the PC you have, it'll give you better results than some cheap trash.

how much should I spend on component cables? I'm new to this stuff and I see prices ranging from like $15 to $70

is it one of those things where there are high end gold-plated diamond-encrusted placebo cables for absolute autist enthusiasts, or what?

What do you guys thing about low res RGB LED Panels for retro vidya?
Looks sexy as fuck to me.
Skip to 28 minutes in or so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6K-BOHHbzU

>>6445080
>Blonde hair instead of pink
Dropped

>>6456519
I mean it does look pretty sweet but compared to CRTs it's just way too pixely. Case in point @ 37:02 the trees are just vertical layers with zero bleed or blending. still looks really neat tho

>>6456619
It's just pros and cons really, every type of display gonna have both. this and pvms/bvms/framemeisters etc gonna have the pro of image clarity, brightness, colors and average crt sets gonna have the pro of blending / immersion for lack of a better term, or world building by limiting the clarity of the signal

>>6456619
>Case in point @ 37:02 the trees are just vertical layers with zero bleed or blending.
That's how the games looked on Game Boy though.
And color bleed was and is considered a bad thing. Just because video game developers took advantage of it in a cool way doesn't mean it was ever a good thing.

Personally I think low res LED looks like a supercharged shadow mask. Like this is what Shadow Mask CRT's wanted to look like but could never achieve it.

>>6456626
CRT's had fuck all to do with blending though.
That's just devs taking advantage of lossy signals like composite and such in certain consoles.
The same effects(like composite dithering in Genesis or PSX or Saturn) work on any other display technology such as LCD or Plasma or OLED or whatever.

>>6456426
With analog signals, cable quality absolutely matters. You buy a $5 ebay cable, you get what you paid for. You don't need to go absolutely nuts, but make sure you're buying something at least half decent.

>>6456626
an appropriately designed film to linearly blur the image would make such a display look pretty sweet
https://femto.pw/cw9s.jpg

>>6456913
had a look to see if such a diffuser even exists, and they do
https://femto.pw/77my.png

>>6456629
>That's how the games looked on Game Boy though.
true I forgot thats how my Gameboy SP looked although not as pronounced
>And color bleed was and is considered a bad thing. Just because video game developers took advantage of it in a cool way doesn't mean it was ever a good thing.
maybe I was thinking of shadow mask then. I didnt necessarily mean its a good thing just how the games were designed and how most people played
>The same effects(like composite dithering in Genesis or PSX or Saturn) work on any other display technology such as LCD or Plasma or OLED or whatever.
what are ppl using crts for then
>>6456913
this link broken for me

>>6457512
>this link broken for me
try opening it in a new tab
it's just the same photo but edited with horizontal blur to give it a crt-with-scanline look

>>6456629
>Personally I think low res LED looks like a supercharged shadow mask. Like this is what Shadow Mask CRT's wanted to look like but could never achieve it.
no, the black space between subpixels/phosphors was never desirable, it dims the image and creates a "screen door" effect

>>6455653
Why do you connect VGA to 15kH monitor retard?

>>6455653
You're feeding your CRT a 31 KHZ signal, that doesn't work with 15 KHZ PVMs. What is the signal source?

Know what's underrated about CRTs? The fact that they're fat enough to have some half-decent speakers in them. Never going to replace a proper sound system but it's nice knowing you're not missing anything important with the audio, versus some flatscreens where it can be genuinely difficult making out elements of a soundscape.

How do I make cvt or gtf (I'm using Linux) give me the modeline for 640x480i or 320x240i? I know that my CRT monitor can output interlaced, because xrandr detects the 1024x768i. It's a Sony HMD-A200.

>>6457871
>you're not missing anything important with the audio
CRTs never had decent sound systems, people mix it up with the speakers in the stands they come with. While typical CRT TV have standard paper cone speakers compared to piezoelectrics discs in modern ultrathin flatscreen TVs they still have little to no dynamic range. You're not going to fit dedicated subwoofer and tweeters in the same box as a CRT without massive magnetic interference.

>>6458005
>CRTs never had decent sound systems

Some late model WEGA's and the XBR models had two 20W speakers with a 15W sub. They sound pretty damn good for factory speakers.

>>6458005
Anon, I'm not saying that they're good. Just that they're much more serviceable than their modern counterparts.

>>6458005
You've clearly never owned a B&O set or any later Trinitron.

>>6458145
B&O is expensive audiophile shit so of course I wouldn't have one. Also their CRTs did interpolation which might have been good for movies but not games.
Trinitron is good though, though my parents had a early 2000s model that they used until the analog shutdown.

>>6458179
None of their 90s sets did interpolation, what are you on about?
On the other hand some of them have 6" woofers, seperate tweeters and passive radiators. They easily rival low end hifi systems for audio quality, it's pretty amazing.

just picked this bad boy up

did I do good?

>>6458232
That's either a LCD or projection TV or your focus is way off.

>>6458269
>projection

Looks like one of those screen mats used for front projection.

https://youtu.be/7DTEWl7geRI
https://youtu.be/DYNsuHnnk1A

Picking up a B&O MX4000 tomorrow lads. Whats the best way to connect it up to a PC if I wanted to? My graphics card has DVI slots.

My trinitron xbr is having some convergence issues and any white colors sort of have a very slight pink tint to them. I was thinking maybe I should start replacing some capacitors but I'm new to this sort of thing and I'm not sure if I want to work on such a big set.

Would it be worth it to pick up these smaller 20 inch crts? Those being a Toshiba AF series or a JVC I'Art.

>>6440045
WATCH YOURSELF
You literally can get killed if you touch certain areas of your CRT. I'm serious. You need to discharge some capacitors and stuff. You can't go on opening a CRT without the right equipment.

>>6451463
I've never dealt with these tvs, I like a common one over composite better because of the blur.

But these professional monitors use RGB, so you need to split the signal in RGB, sync and luma. You need at least 5 cables if not using a SCART and you need to sync the image with something. It's not hard, but can get tedious. You'll get a very sharp image though, just like an emulator would output, but over a CRT, which makes the colors look... more vivid?

>>6459329

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGzS3IhifRE

>>6457927
the monitor support 30-70kHz horizontal frequencies, so it can't do 640x480i or 320x240i, since they're ~15kHz and ~7.5kHz horizontal scan rate respectively
you may be able to use doublescan, double the refresh rate, or double the vertical resolution, to bring it up to the minimum horizontal rate of your monitor

>>6459631
>RGB, sync and luma.
the 5 signals are R,G,B, horizontal sync and vertical sync

>>6457927
>>6459908
(that is of course assuming 60Hz output in both cases, you can do 640x480i at 120 fields/s if you like)
also something to keep in mind when making modelines for interlaced modes, you're specifying the frame rate, not the field rate, so your typical ntsc-like mode of "480i60" is actually 30Hz/fps. specifying 60Hz with an interlaced mode will result in 120 fields/s

>>6459913
>RGB, sync and luma.
True, I don't remember the details, but I think he got the idea.

>>6459329
>Would it be worth it to pick up these smaller 20 inch crts?
How far do you plan to sit from it? 20 is fine up to around 6 feet.

don't understand the appeal of PVMs

isn't a little bit of blur/fuzz what you want? especially for games like PS1 with pre-rendered backgrounds and dithering

>>6460076
At most probably 2-3 feet away, I'm going to have it near my pc. The only reason I'm considering a smaller crt is because the trinitron is honestly a pain in the ass to move around. It's currently sitting in the garage at my parent's place and I'm dreading moving it to my aparment.

>>6460265
Oh. In that case 20" is plenty. Depending on your preferences it might even be too big because you'll clearly see the RGB dots that make up the screen.

first timer, picked up a free 32" today

holy shit I regret it, this thing is a fucking behemoth. it's too big. I fucked up

Sakura Taisen 2 on the Sega Saturn

>>6461863
>it's too big
said no one ever

>>6455834
console generations? assuming it's between standard def CRT TVs and modern HDTVs, you'd much rather use a CRT for consoles that are mostly or entirely 15kHz, which would be 5th gen and earlier plus the PS2.

>>6461863
I feel you, brother. I went for a 27" ad and it was in fact a 34" trinitron. Busted myself carrying the damn thing and I'm still figuring out what kind of furniture will serve as a decent stand that won't break or bend. I don't regret it but goddamn, it's been a week and I'm still not sure where to place it, how am I supposed to do when I place it regarding cables. I guess I'll just get extensions.

>>6462998
>>6461863
Get switch boxes and a TV unit from a charity shop. They're not hard to accomodate and 100x better than a small set.

>>6463268
I was hoping to find one stand/hack like this one, seems solid.

>>6443235
>>6443237
This looks fantastic. I have an old 1084s somewhere.

You boys ever see these before? I didn't know they existed.

>>6463889
Do those have two seperate tubes?

>>6463891
I'd assume so, just found this pic online.

I know this is /vr/ but do you guys use a CRT for wii? it seems like it would be nice for virtual console/emulators but most wii games are 16:9 aren't they? I hate black bars

>>6463978
I've only used mine for SD video playback in the past.

>>6463978
I think most Wii games have the option to be played in widescreen, but 4:3 was still the standard for the Wii. It only came with composite cables, after all, and the best you can get for it are component cables.

>>6463978
I thought I could say yes to this, but I just realized I've always hooked my wii to my widescreen crt. I'll have to give it a try someday.

>>6463978
The Wii is a souped-up GameCube, so yes. As a rule of thumb if the console doesn't have digital video output it's meant to be used with CRT.

>>6464147
Delicious. What screen?

>>6463978
most wii games have okay 4:3 support but 16:9 was clearly the default. towards the end a few games were just letterboxed if you weren't set to output 16:9.

Wtf is this small lump at the bottom of my screen?

>>6450734
Depends on the telly. My cheapo generic TV degausses itself when I power cycle

https://youtu.be/7DTEWl7geRI
https://youtu.be/DYNsuHnnk1A

is 14 inches too small?

>>6464293
not according to your mum

>>6464293
Yeah, for console gaming, the standard back at the time was 21-22". 14" tv's were for kitchens and security cabins

>>6464293
14" was the standard monitor size in the mid '90s

>>6464253
dw bros, just picked it up and shook the tv. must have been a dust ball or something.

Cute TV

>>6464395
And the not so cute filter cap which blew up in it.

>>6464293
not really
i used to have a 14" colour tv in my room as a teenager, it looked just fine for games up to 5th gen
for black and white tv's you can go even smaller, i've played playstation on a 4" black and white tv just fine, b/w sets are nice and sharp due to there being no colour mask

>>6464521
that said, i wouldn't call it the same as using a 20"+ colour tv, but good enough if it suits you better

>>6463978
Wii's don't output a true 16:9 display but rather a stretched 4:3. I've had mine soft-modded and when hooked up to my CRT it looks great. It's true that some Wii games are stuck in widescreen but all Gamecube games and emulations, should display in their native aspect ratio. Which is great for me, because I can finally play all my favourite 8-bit and 16-bit games through RGB at 240p. Gameboy, Mega CD and PC-engine games seem to work nicely also (though the latter I had to play through VC wads). I haven't had much experience with 3D titles but I can confirm that most of the popular N64 games work fine, with some minor graphical issues. Some are near unplayable though, like Sin and Punishment where the screen goes black every time an explosion is on screen. This is another game where the VC port is superior to third party emulation.

What am I looking at here?

Local church donated this bad boy to me, hows it look?

>>6465302
Why the fuck is it sideways?

>>6465304
Anyways, I've often found that if you want to find a good CRT, many churches still have their old ones that they may want to get rid of. Almost all of the churches I've been to have had one.

I find the wii to be a great emulation machine for CRT TVs. Many emulators made for it support double-strike mode that virtual console has (I think it might be better because for some reason double strike mode doesnt even work for Most VC games). Only problem is n64 emulation for the wii sucks. May be best to get the original hardware and an everdrive cartridge to put your roms in.

>>6465292
The bottom of an XBR set that was made to sit on a stand.

Were games from the 80s made with scanlines in mind?

>24"
>$15
Is this a good deal? I have no idea what I'm doing, I just want to set my Wii up for emulation in my bedroom as well as a TV for my laserdiscs.

>>6464361
>dust ball in the tube
anon...

>>6465509
Sure. It's a Best Buy store brand aka shit, but $15 is about the average thrift store price for a CRT TV.

>>6465529
>$15 is about the average thrift store price for a CRT TV.
I bought a massive 27" wood grain Montgomery Ward with s-video for $2 at Goodwill once. Probably needed to be recapped though.

>>6465832
I thought Goodwill stopped taking CRTs. I had to buy mine from a locally-owned "Thrift Center".

>>6465849
I think each store has its own ad hoc rules. For example, I went to one that mentioned they wouldn't take any CRT above 20".

Somebody in a previous thread was talking about using the same CRT they had as a kid, and it got me thinking about the CRT I had as a kid.

It was this piece of shit. (Picture is from eBay, but it's the same model.) 13 inches of low res, blurry fuzz. Switching between VHF and UHF channel bands on this thing necessitated going into its rudimentary digital menu using those shitty, mushy face buttons (since we could never find the remote), and its only input was RF, so I had to play my games and run the cable signal thru a VCR in the end anyway (at least, until mom stopped paying for the cable).

This bad boy had been in our household since before my first childhood memory, and eventually it became mine when the folks put a big-screen in the den downstairs, and then I passed it on to my younger brother when I got a bigger CRT in my room (with component input!) around 2003.

We moved out of that house in 2009 and this little hunk of junk was unceremoniously junked. Or donated to Goodwill. Not really sure, that sort of thing happened behind my back. I lost a Gamecube to that move in the same way. Kept my SNES though.

>>6464149
Philips 107B3 with 3840x240@120hz.

>>6466825
>scanlines

>>6465887
>Kept my SNES though.

And thus nothing of value was lost.

>>6466825
>3840x240
mistype or do you have something funky going on there?

>>6466825
Disgusting.

>>6466892
That's how you run 240p on a PC monitor. 320x240 is far below the valid timings so to compensate you run it at 12 times the horizontal resolution and the emulator simply draws each pixel 12 times in each line to output the proper image.

>>6465509
>flatscreen
meh
if you don't have high expectations then $15 is fine provided it works and doesn't have any screen burn

where my MiSTer boys at?

>>6466892
na, you can put any horizontal resolution you like into any crt, as long as the sync signals are within spec, the actual RGB signal is entirely analog from input to gun, so there is no hard limit there
it's the reason it's called "480i" and not say, "640x480i", the 480 lines is the only limit, you can make it 10x480 or 10,000x480 and it won't care at all (of course the actual visible resolution you end up with depends on a few factors like focus and mask pitch, with about 720 dots being the generally-accepted maximum realistic number, probably higher on a black and white set)

Gonna be moving for 6 months to an apartment across the state from me and I'm not sure I want to take my hueg jvc d series TV with me. Is it worth getting a small trinitron to put on a desk to play with and eventually take home with me and put in a closet? I don't want to pick up a crt only to throw it out when I get back. I could just emulate or get an ossc or something in the meantime.

>>6466990
MiSTer looks over priced.
At it's price, you might as well just buy real hardware and a flashcart

>>6467023
Was looking into an ossc but I need composite for NES and s video for saturn/dreamcast/n64 so I would need a framemeister. Far too expensive, might as well emulate.

>>6467053

>>6467051
Would I be able to get an rgb2comp adapter and a retrotink 2x (pro or classic? I'm undecided) and run them together so I can use rgb scart with the retrotink and when I get back to my component compatible TV I can use the rgb2comp adapter and the same cables again for it.

Updating the retrotink would be nice but a 50 dollar difference is quite a lot.

>>6466927
>>6466991
cool. thanks for the explanation

>>6467042
My setup was about 300 bucks. For the cost of an NES RGB setup you get perfect 240p out of every system pre 1999. I like mine enough that I sold a huge chunk of my physical collection. Including flashcarts.

>>6467092
What about using original controllers and adapters and shit for all systems? I see snes/NES add-ons cost about 50 dollars. What addon boards and things do you use?

>>6467092
I found RGB too hard to do.I like playing on bigger TVs and I don't even know where to look for a 32" PVM to do RGB at all. It's all get lucky or pay a shit ton.

Unless you have an RGB monitor, you might as well go component and HDMI. It's much easier.
So for NES I'm going HDMI to my CRT >>6467053
For SNES, Genesis, ect you can easily get Retrovision cables to do component. The only problem is if you try to get the best picture out of some lesser known consoles or older ones (Atari 2600) that only have RGB mods right now.

>>6467101
I use the 2.4ghz 8bitdo Saturn style controller for most everything. If I feel like the 4ms lag is too much, I got a free genesis usb adapter when I ordered my IO board.

All I have is the DE-10, the IO Board, 128 SDRAM, 256GB micro sd card

>>6467109
I'm going to be completely honest with you here. PVMs are a meme designed for end-of-chain mastering, not performance. If you want a big CRT get a SDTV, there's plenty of top-shelf models out there.

>>6467160
I got HDCRTs.
>>6467053 has HDMI 32"
>>6467056 has only component and DVI 28" or so
They are really nice. The input lag is maybe a few frames but its negligible. I've played plenty of games on them without issue and have excellent picture

I own a PVM but it's like a 12" and only has SVideo and composite. I paid $10 bucks so it's a good tv for on the go.

>>6452792
enjoy your burn in
>>6452886
>white horizontal line
That's called a vertical collapse. Check that your flyback transformer's pins don't have cracks in the solder.
Be careful, though, that's high voltage stuff.
Also check that nearby capacitors are good (again, don't be stupid).
I've successfully fixed vertical collapses before though.

>>6463831
Those have a different phosphor configuration but still look quite nice.
Thanks though; I'm quite fond of it. 0.28mm pitch tri-dot looks great and this tube's in awesome condition.
>>6463891
Yes.
>>6463889
>monochrome (iirc)
>>6463978
I use a wii for non-wii games. If you use a wii for wii games, go to >>>/v/
>>6464401
Whew. Glad I have caught the swelling caps on my sets in time so far.
>>6465302
Flat and sideways
>>6465509
I got one of those for $5 and gave it to an NES development hobbyist in the neighborhood for my $5 back.
They're ok, nothing amazing but usable. And flat.
>>6467042
Exactly
>>6467092
>NES RGB setup
Wrong colors. Next.
(even the fbx thing doesn't get it right)
I just use composite from a Famicom and it's perfectly fine. I use RGB from systems that actually generate it.

I'm gonna say it

PS1 was designed for composite and looks better that way

>>6467573
>PSX was designed for composite
Then why did the original japanese revision have an s-video connector on the back, retard?

>>6467583
(and also dev units in every country)

>>6466858
shut up, jesus christ

>>6467596
He's right, though. They're the thing I care about least with RGB video.

>>6467583
That's cool, wasn't aware of that.
And don't forget the RGB signal on the multi-out of every revision, plus an officially licensed line doubler for VGA.
PS1 was designed for whatever the fuck you want out of the box, I wish everyone was as good about output as Sony and Sega.

>>6467614
no he's not and neither are you
the way a CRT looks is so varied that it's pointless to say that your opinion is better than anothers

any component cables that are noteworthy besides HD retrovision? shit's always out of stock

>>6467779
What system are you trying to hook up? If there's not a good cable for your system, you could combine a nice SCART-RGB cable with something like Retrotink's RGB2COMP transcoder box.

>>6467846
Not him but this is me
>>6467072
Can you confirm whether the retrotink 2x and rgb2comp work in tandem together? I emailed Mike Chi and I'm waiting for his response because then I could use both and buy scart cables for use with the rgb2comp for component on a crt and also use the same scart cables with an lcd and the converter+2x

>>6467872
Are scart cables like this decent? Never been disappointed by console5 yet.
https://console5.com/store/sega-genesis-1-master-system-rgb-scart-cable.html

So I got an old Hantarex monitor which has RGB on a 9-pin D-Sub connector. I've searched around for pinouts and stuff, and it seems it has separate H and V syncs. I guess the monitor is a 240p/480i.
How do I go about hooking up a PS2 to that port?

>>6467872
The RGB2COMP is just a transcoder, I can't think of a reason it would have any issues feeding into a Retrotink2x or OSSC or whatever. All it does is move the signal from one colour space to another.

So digging around the bin of junk from a Japan trip a decade ago, I found a way to play my Super Famicom carts until the planet opens back up and I can properly mod my European SNES for NTSC games.
I have no idea why I even have this thing.

>>6468028
Upon a little experimentation the clone hardware even plays nice with the SuperFX chip. Outputs a proper 240p too, though the sync over composite is clearly a little whack.

>>6467993
You'll need a sync separator since the PS2 outputs analog component video. The sync signals are carried on the Y cable.

Just picked up a sony kv-20fs120. Two problems I noticed:

>Pronounced blue tint on the screen.
>Louder high-voltage whine than other sets I have had. Even my wife can hear it.

I have not tested the other inputs yet. The picture settings in the main menu don't seem to affect the excessive blue color. Is it a dud or can it be fixed?

>>6468749
>he got a flatscreen
Congratulations on falling for a meme. You get what you deserve.

>>6468890

>Flatscreen master-race reporting in
>Consoles don't render spheres

>>6468890
are flatscreens really that bad?

>>6468749
>>Pronounced blue tint on the screen.

Go into service menu and adjust the blue gain/push. Caps that control that are probably drifting out of spec.
https://youtu.be/68ugkg9RePc

>>Louder high-voltage whine than other sets I have had. Even my wife can hear it.

Most likely the flyback.

>>6468963

Nah he is just a typical shitposter. Move along now.

>>6468978
Now show what happens when a scene has high contrast. LOL

>>6468963
No. It's a meme perpetuated by salty brainlets who can't calibrate a flatscreen CRT.

So I've had a Saturn for a number of years now but recently ran into a problem:
>works fine if I plug it into any display with the stock composite cables
>fell for the RGB meme and bought some hand-rolled cables on eBay
>from a Polish seller that was pretty well known and I had ordered from before, all the cables were fine thus far
>but when I try these RGB cables on my Saturn, I get a flicker from power up and then nothing
Any ideas what's wrong here? They're CSYNC cables, I was under the impression that my NTSC Saturn supported all forms of RGB natively. The rest of my setup, the switches and the actual CRT, are all set properly and function over other cables. Is it possible I received shoddy cables?

>>6469320
Oh, and if it makes a difference it's a Model 2.

I just wanted to see Panzer Dragoon in 240p glory

>>6468963
the geometry is less stable than curveds and will never be perfect. you can make it better, you can't make it perfect.

>>6469806
>you can't make it perfect.

This applies to any CRT, curved or flat.

There's a Sony Wega HDTV for sale cheap near me. Should I pull the trigger?

Top is $40, bottom is $25. Which would you choose, or pass?

>>6470086
bottom, D series is the best consumer CRT out there

>>6465496
Scanlines aren't really visible on most TVs

>>6470117
This. Why do you think the kids keep posting extremely zoomed photos with awkward angles of their kewl crt tvs?

>>6468890
How are those issues related to it being a flatscreen?

This TV is approx 10 inches

>>6470086
bottom looks to be in better condition. top looks a bit beat up

>>6470178
what game?

>>6470416
Cotton original

>>6470086
Bottom, curved tubes are generally easier to calibrate.

>>6440118
not him but 480i is 30FPS, but i suppose technically it would be 60hZ because each of the 60 fields refreshes the screen.

15Hz is craaaazy talk.

>>6459623
>You can't go on opening a CRT without the right equipment.
A screwdriver with a wire attached to it and ground?

What's this problem usually called?

>>6467717
>PS1 was designed for whatever the fuck you want out of the box
PSX doesn't output a normal csync signal, but other than that I agree. Wish they'd kept the RCA jacks at least (and preferably S-Video as well) on later revisions.
Although to be fair to it, 95% of systems won't have trouble syncing to luma, anyway. It's what I use.
The early US PSX boards (PU-7/PU-8) have a solder point for an S-Video jack on the PCB, too, actually, but the I/O back-plate thing doesn't have a hole for it and none of the necessary supporting components are populated on the board either.
>>6467729
I've used everything from 1960's color TV consoles to 800TVL 20" sony monitors and similar monitors from other manufacturers. I've decided I like tri-dot best because it softens the scan line effect enough that I don't really notice it while keeping sharp pixels.

>>6469130
I can see the pincushioning still.
It's slight (very good job overall given that it's a flat), but it's definitely there.
I prefer the toshiba 27A42 (curved 27") over that.
>>6470086
Bottom; curved screen, looks cleaner (though it could just be the light), and also cheaper.
>>6472019
Trying to drive a CRT at a resolution it doesn't accept. Lack of horizontal synchronization.
Drive it at 640x480 at 60hz.

>>6472025
>Trying to drive a CRT at a resolution it doesn't accept.
It would look similar but the power LED of this monitor is not turning on anymore either, so it definitively has some other issue. It looks like that with any resolution, even in DOS text mode.