/vr/ - Retro Games

Yeah, to be honest, I wouldn't bother with "communities".
I just still have my old original Saturn I bought in 1997 and don't care about pedantic collectors nowadays.

oh no, the 2 games worth owning for the system are out of price range
the horror

>>6414381
Looks like you're confusing the Saturn with the N64

Saturn fans are still nothing compared to the Neo Geo community, they are the worst game "community" on the internet and elsewhere by-far.

>>6414296
Saturn community has always been pretty terrible, started getting worse with Pseudo Saturn.

>>6414296
Except there aren't great ODEs available for the Saturn.

Thankfully MODE could finally put that to rest.

I may buy a second Saturn to use with it.

>>6414576
saturn >>>>>>> N64 > PSX

>>6414594
I'm sorry I enjoy games from a platform you hate.

>>6414296

>About average

>>6414640
Saturn=N64>PS1
PS1 has a lot of games, many of them great, but I find it the most mediocre of the bunch, whereas Saturn has the best 2D games and N64 has the best 3D games of the generation.

>>6414662
I always think rating a platform's percentage of good games is unfair. It's not like the games are less good just because they were swamped by shovelware and shit.

>>6414296
The minute I saw the word "Facebook" on your post, I knew right then and there that that's where you fucked up at. The community is doing fine. New homebrew projects and everything going fine with mods and psuedo. I'd say let them complain about it and find out for themselves.

I don't care about "community".

>>6414661
I can't believe that people complain about collecting for the PS1. Once you factor in inflation, the games are actually cheaper now than they were in 2008.

>>6414684
Then get fucking lost.

>sales groups

Join regular groups with private settings. Don't be a cunt. Contribute. Get invited to actual sales groups with vetted membership. It's really not much different from the egroups days. Except yahoo probably won't be buying Facebook.

>>6414296
The price is in the console, not the games.

I want to buy one, but I can't justify it with the amount of games, the time it would take, and the shit required.

Buy Console
Get it recapped
HDMI install
replace internal clock battery every month
Buy phoebe or rhea for $200 after 2yr wait list
4 mb ram expansion cart
mpeg video card
Buy extra controller
Buy frying pan 3D controller
light gun
learn japanese to understand decent games.

NOT worth it for a few shmups and capcom fighters that are on psx and dreamcast anyway.

>>6414762
I’m sorry why do you need to do any of those things? What the fuck is wrong with you? Buy the console, game pad and a cheap pseudo Saturn cart

>>6414684
Thank you for sharing this message with... the community

>>6414762
You don't need it recapped.

You don't need an HDMI install. A RAD2X is 50 dollars.

you dont have to replace the battery once a month

you dont need any of that shit but the 4mb expansion/action replay for region free.

>>6414296
The saturn commity is doing good where it counts, look how good this looks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md8Ve7uB7A4

The sega community can be a bit ungrateful, many complained about pier solar but they still want to play it

>>6414296
Anyone who actually cares about Saturn games will just buy a mod chip and be done with it.

>>6414749
Hanging out with a bunch of scalpers sounds like NAMBLA

I don't really see much griping about prices. It just seems like something that's accepted and just part of the library - has been this way for a while. People are usually very excited about the games and with how active homebrew is for the console there's always something new to discuss.

I'm looking forward to getting my fenrir, hopefully within a month. I want to test it with /vr/.

>>6414801
Yep. Get one off a jap and just wait for it to ship or use buyee if you're paranoid about it. Even with fucking trans-Pacific shipping costs, you'll pay less than buying one off a yuropoor or a fellow mutt.

>>6414808
Unless you're posting, it's mostly just the M

>THE SEGA SATURN COMMUNITY
>COMMUNITY
lol
Since when was a bunch of overweight neckbeards hoarding plastic alone in their parents' basement a "community"?

>>6414637
Fenrir is being released this week. Unfortunately it only works with model 1 Saturns.

>>6414305
Some of the communities are pretty decent. SegaXtreme is good for any kind of Homebrew development, mods, and Translation Patches. SegaSaturn.co.uk isn't too bad either for just General Saturn stuff. Netlink League was pretty cool years ago for finding people to do Netlink battles with but I'm not sure how active it still is.

That said, if by communities the OP is referring to the Facebook ones, those are pure cancer. I know the one big one is moderated by a person posing as an ex-Sega Employee saying they have this amazing archive of Sega Saturn prototypes, translations, dev tools, etc. but it's all just stuff that's been taken from other places and hoarded on a Google Drive. For example they've taken translation patches, modifications, and homebrew from SegaXtreme and tried to pass it off as things they made or old prototypes of unreleased games.

>>6414296
Saturn emulation is pretty good now and there's a new ODE out. You should have bought the games you wanted 20 years ago like everyone else did.

>>6414296
Saturn collectors are among the most obnoxious faggots in all of /vr/ collecting. They hoard like no other, and I'm not just talking about wanting a complete US set. I'm talking hoarding 3, 4, 5, or more copies of games like Magic Knight, PDS, and Shining Force 3. They seem to enjoy wasting their money on multiple copies of the same game for online bragging rights more than complaining about how much they paid for their 5th copy of Burning Rangers.

>>6415214
That's not a true Saturn fan if you ask me. Those are the people just in it for the money, not for enjoying the games.

Honestly I've seen this behavior more on places like NintendoAge with those people saying stuff like "I don't care about these games because the Saturn is shit, but these are worth money so I'm getting them."

The worst I've seen in the people who actually care about the system is trying to get each disc variant of Working Designs stuff. And even those people will usually sell someone one of those variants to someone for a good deal if they just want to play the game. That's how I got my copies of MKR, Dragon Force, Albert Odyssey, etc. Guy on a Saturn forum had one of each disc variant and offered me ones of my choice when I had mentioned I was having a hard time finding them at a decent price. He offered them to me for half the going rate on ebay at the time.

Collecting is the gayest shit ever. Bunch of fucking nerds acting like grandmas collecting their precious moments hummels or decorative spoons from each state.

>>6414576
What are you on about? The two most popular games for the system, Super Mario 64 and OoT are both still very affordable, if you want an original N64 cart. Only the obscure titles on that system are expensive.

>>6414587
Jaguar community second place for worst

>>6415118
They're the oval-button models, right? Mine's got circle buttons.

>>6415214
I understand maybe wanting a good condition copy of a game you only have an okay copy of if it's one that means a lot to you or something, but why the fuck would anybody ever just want to jerk off to the number of copies of a rare game they own? I don't get it.

>>6416051
Model 1's are generally oval buttons but you have to make sure it's a 20-pin cable for the CD drive. Not all model 1's have that unfortunately.

as someone who grew up with and still owns a saturn, you gotta realize that collecting games is a separate hobby from just playing games.
personally in the mid 2000's realizing you could emulate the saturn was the best shit ever.

>>6414762
What is a HDMI install? Not even picking a fight I didn't know such a thing was real

>>6414762
>HDMI install
no such thing for saturn yet
>replace internal clock battery every month
FRAM-mod
>Buy phoebe or rhea for $200 after 2yr wait list
fenrir/MODE
>mpeg video card
just for that one lunar-edition? not worth it.

>>6415479
K, luckily Im mature enough not to care about your opinion

>>6414762
>Get it recapped
I don't think the Saturn is at that point yet. In a few years maybe but not yet. If you are worried about recapping your Saturn then you should be equally worried about your PS1 and Dreamcast.
>HDMI install
Why? It already provides RGB and S-Video easily and cheaply.
>replace internal clock battery every month
What shitty batteries are people using? Mine last years.
>Buy phoebe or rhea for $200 after 2yr wait list
Get a mod chip, they're cheaper and easier to install.
>4 mb ram expansion cart
If you need one of these one of the games you want it for will come with it.
>mpeg video card
Unnecessary. Yeah it's nice for the few games that support it but you don't need it.
>Buy extra controller
Dirt cheap and easily available.
>Buy frying pan 3D controller
You don't need it. All games will work fine with the Standard pad. You can get the 3D Controller later if you really want Analog controls for the few games that benefit from it.
>light gun
Again you don't need it. The light gun games on the system will work with the standard pads. And if you decide you want the light gun, they're not that expensive.
>learn japanese to understand decent games.
Other than RPGs the bulk of Japanese games can be played with little to no knowledge of Japanese.

>>6414762
>hdmi
>battery

Anon thinks the dreamcast is a saturn. Silly, stupid anon.

>>6416890
Something a retarded faggot made up. You can just ignore that shitpost.

>>6416493
True story

>find guy on CL
>supposedly selling collection
>posts pictures of tons of rare games
>figure he is going to want around ebay prices, but contact anyways
>ask him for a list of what he has
>sends it to me
>insane collection, tons of rare shit
>arrange to take a look in person and buy some off him
>no talk of prices, other than him suggesting I come over to take a look at the stuff in person and we can discuss prices then
>guy seems legit, decide to meetup
>drive over to his place
>ring doorbell
>nice guy, but kinda weird
>takes me into basement
>literally wall to wall games
>see Saturn stuff on shelf, probably 200+ games
>see PDS...notice there's more than one copy
>literally 6 copies of PDS, half of them still sealed!
>Ask him about PDS and how he got 6 copies
>former EB Games manager
>used to buy up all the clearance when store wanted to get rid of it
>has tons of other rare Saturn games, mutliples of most, many still sealed
>ask him about prices
>tells me none of them are for sale
>says they mean to much to him and doesn't wan to part with them
>proceeds to show me rest of collection, tons of rare shit everywhere, but none of it is for sale
>ask him what is for sale
>shows me a small moving box with about 50 games in it
>all common and slightly uncommon games across multiple platforms
>most valueable game in box in Mega Man Legends....
>ask why he posted pics of stuff not for sale in ad
>says he likes showing off his collection and seeing other people's reactions
>at this point I'm pretty pissed
>tell him he's kind of an asshole for baiting people like that
>says I'm just jealous
>I decide to leave

To this day I hope one of his victims decided to rob him for baiting them like they did with me. I've spoken with two other local collectors who did the same thing and pretty much left pissed like me. This was all 3 or 4 years ago and haven't seen him post since so here's hoping.

>>6414587
hey man, at least NG has the issue of "try to get legit versions of english games for a collection".

i had a shot at starting one in 2010 with a system, 2 joysticks and 3 games for $250. i couldn't though due to a car accident fucking my money over that $250 i was going to use.

I have 50 saturn games. And i still need 10. With the current prices i might just settle for the satiator if it ever comes out. Also lol at the dolt above who thinks he has to replace the LITHIUM battery every 4 weeks. You are a giant faggot.

>>6417613
i couldn't imagine someone being THAT much of an asshole, inviting someone to where you live TO WHICH THEY KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE NOW and pissing them off.

fucking idiot.

>>6417634
looking for impossible shit?
i have a few things i want, but its more im piecing them together bit by bit.

I don't care much about collecting, but I would like to play a lot of the games. What's the best option for someone with zero technical skills / knowledge? I mean I have no idea what mounting a BIOS even fucking means, much less how to install a mod chip in something.

>>6417779
The Saturn mod chip is really easy to install. Requires little to no soldering if you do it right.

Short of that are the Pseudo Saturn cartridges and just patch the ISO images to match the region of your console. The only issue with Pseudo Saturn cartridges is that while they are easy to use, the cheap ones on ebay right now tend to cut corners and cause compatibility issues.

>>6417787
Hi different anon here, can i ask why install a region mod chip instead of using an action replay cart or equivalent? What is the advantage?

>>6417613
I would’ve came back later and robbed that entitled cunt.

>>6414587
i don't know what it is about the neo geo but the fanboys are extremely toxic

>>6414296
Was just looking on line. Some of my games skyrocket till almost 1000 dollars. Don’t worry collectors. The bubble will burst and In a few years these games will be at a reasonable price

>>6414587
Tsk tsk. We just like the finest Retro games in life.

>>6418294
It's the most snobby and elitist collector fanbase on the planet. You will be mocked and ridiculed in the Neo Geo "community" for having less than a complete set of all 117 AES carts.

>>6415214
Yeah I’m usually happy with just one copy but I have lunar fetish. Anytime I see one I buy it.

I never got into neo geo collecting after I read about how the US market was flooded with fakes

>>6417613
Glad you didn’t take a drink from him. He probably roofy you and play with your bunghole

>>6418407
>Was just larping on line.

>>6414296
Allways mod your Sega Saturn's and Dreamcast.

>>6414296
Odes sucks

I want to play physical games

>>6418585
I do too but I figure an ODE is good if you just want to try random games. On a system where anti-piracy has been out of reach for most people, an ODE is a good solution for that.

>>6415067
Since way before you were born, kid.

>>6414296
>a bunch of amerifat discord attention whores, youtubers and fuckin facebook users
>"""community"""
stop eating sodium

>>6417824
The Mod chip doesn't do any region mods, it just lets you play back ups. But you can patch your ISOs before you burn them to the region of your system. The Advantage of the Mod chip is that it has 100% compatibility. Pseudo Saturn carts aren't 100% compatible with all games, and the ones on ebay right now are cheap knockoffs that cut a lot of corners and have even more compatibility issues.

With RAM cart games, the action replay and other carts only replicate the 4MB cartridge. While this technically works with 1MB cart games, it can cause issues for some like the King of Fighters Games, Marvel Super Heroes, and Metal Slug (Sprite corruption, more slowdown, etc.). You can also play ROM cart games like King of Fighters 95 which you can't do with cartridge based backup/region unlock solutions.

For saving, those carts also don't allow games to save directly to them unlike the official memory cartridges. This causes problems for games like Shining Force III where the different scenarios need to see saves from other scenarios to unlock all the endings.

Basically the Mod chip is an out of sight out of mind solution. Once it's installed and working properly it just works. You don't have to worry about updating it, you don't have to worry about if the game you want to play is compatible, etc. It just works, and it works well with all the official accessories (Memory Cartridge, RAM cartridges, ROM Cartridges, MPEG card, etc.) On top of it all, they're only $20 give or take last I checked.

>>6417305
In regards to the Japanese, I was surprised at how many Japanese games actually use a fair amount of English, sometimes completely in English (virtua cop for eg.)

>>6414661
It's almost like it was an unpopular and therefore rare console with only two games that ever sold over 1 million

Back in the day I had a choice between saturn or playstation, and I chose saturn cause I mostly played sega stuff, never had a NES. Instantly regretted it, cause I found out FF7 was coming to the US later.
Long story short, I always felt the saturn was garbage in comparison. I didn't have too many games for it, and I must have chosen poorly, cause they were all shit. The Die Hard game was the only one I found fun. Anything involving saves shit out on the memory cards constantly.
inb4 coolstorybro

>>6414296
Whats the best place to buy an action replay plus pro or psuedo saturn?
I want to play physical imports on my saturn (no of that sd loader shit please)

But all i can find are chink reproductions
Are those safe to use? I assume not

>>6421098
Ironic considering how many american weeaboos want to learn and act nip.
KYS tripfag.

>>6420616
Ah, that is much better sounding, thanks. So does the mod chip just sit inside the console and only act to break the regionlock, or is it one of those that requires an external region switch?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sega-Saturn-Multi-Ram-Cart-1mb-4mb-32mb-memory-REGION-FREE-Free-Post/373046993635?hash=item56db5562e3:g:8TYAAOSw1d5etre5
>multi-RAM cart
Is... this legit? I've not seen any cart like this before. Is it just a 4MB cartridge?

>>6420616
Hm? I read that the Action Replay 4M Plus cart could function as a 4MB ram cart OR a 1MB ram cart. Can anyone confirm?

>>6417613
>him suggesting I come over to take a look at the stuff
>guy seems legit, decide to meetup
>nice guy, but kinda weird
>takes me into basement

The whole time I read this I thought about pic related. Fuck that shit Ill pay the premium on Ebay.

>>6421401
Psuedo saturns have that iption too
At least the newer ones

I want to join the Saturn community. Is it ok if I emulate?

>>6421403
The only ones that do that have a physical switch.

>>6417308
Why would you need hdmi mod or battery for Dreamcast?

>>6421970
>hdmi
Same reason you'd "need" an RGB board foir an NES. You don't, but options are good.
>battery
Just makes it easier to swap when it's dead. Not really necessary either. But anon was in such a rush to shit on the Saturn that he didn't even get the mod list correct.

>>6421218
You choose poorly, but it's ok I did too and didn't enjoy the Saturn until later in age. Sometimes it just take the right game to lure you back in. Gungriffon was the game that got me hooked on the Saturn again.

>>6421378
>So does the mod chip just sit inside the console and only act to break the regionlock

As I said the Mod chip doesn't do anything about the region. It ONLY allows you to play back ups. You can however patch the disc image before you burn it with the region of your console.

>>6421403
Those carts replicate the 4MB RAM cart. They claim it's 4MB or 1MB because they are exploiting the fact that the 4MB RAM cart is technically compatible with 1MB RAM cart games (as in the games will boot with the 4MB RAM cart) but they are ignoring any compatibility issues that happen after booting.

>>6421401
It's just a 4MB cartridge.

>>6421952
Even most of those are just the 4MB RAM cartridge. If you actually open up the cartridge and look at the switch circuitry you'll realize it does nothing.

>>6421483
The newer ones are chinesium garbage. There's a reason why Cafe-Alpha didn't implement RAM capabilities into his pseudo cartridges. The slower DRAM required to interface properly with the Saturn isn't made anymore. So you either need to source new old stock, or come up with some way to get newer faster memory to operate with the Saturn correctly, which is much easier said than done. Those newer cartridges are either using salvaged chips that are of who knows what quality, or are trying to use newer RAM and cutting corners in the process resulting in issues.

>>6417613
drop dead, fred

>>6420616
The one I have had a 1 MB switch, so you can go between modes, but it is not that big of a deal. I can also save directly to it in games.

So far, I haven't had much issues in the way of compatability. Even Panzer Dragoon Zwei works fine. The biggest thing is I can't do Action Replay cheats on anything requiring the 4MB ram pack, but they otherwise play and run as expected.

Other than that there does seem to be a booting issue for Sonic 3D Blast where if it has to go between the main game and the special stages, it seems to encounter a read error if some kind as it dumps between the two programs, but I think this is more of a burn error on my part.

I mean we could argue about mod chips vs psuedo carts, and I would say that the psuedo carts, if you get an actually good one, are a much better value overall, since they also region unlock and have all cart functionality, and your system is left untouched.

If you just want to talk about game compatability, pretty soon we're going to have a simple to install ODE solution that works with all dump types, so at that point both previous solutions, and even other ODEs won't be as good as what we'll have soon.

>>6422086
Whats the best place to get an action replay, psuedo saturn or honestly any import cart


I wanna play some physical imports but im scared of aliexpress junk damaging my console

>>6414642
Where did I ever say that I hate the Saturn?

>6421098
Another tranny tripfag to filter.

>>6422460
If yours has a switch on it it's one of the cheap bad ones, unless it was made by flashing a really old Action Replay Cart that still had those. And even then, it's going to have compaitibility issue with 1MB RAM games. Try throwing the following games at it:

King of Fighters 96
Metal Slug
Marvel Super Heroes.

See how well those work. Then try throwing things like Grandia at it. That one is a good test for quality. A good Psuedo Cart should stop interferring with Bus Activity after it bypasses the copy protection at boot. The cheap ones though keep sniffing the bus and fucking with it after boot. This causes games like Grandia that are constantly streaming multiple ADX audio streams at a time on top of loading other data to become highly unstable and crash.

>ODEs
Are stupidly more expensive than a Mod Chip. And contrary to popular belief Dreamcast and Saturn Disc Drives aren't as fragile as people have claimed. Even ones that are acting up can be serviced and repaired.

>>6422497
See if you can track down an older Action Replay cart. The ones that have the COMM port should definitely be good. Short of that see if you can track down one of Cafe-Alpha's carts.

If you can't do that, go for a Region Switch Mod. If you don't want to do that then a Mod Chip and just play a Region Patched backup of your physical imports.

The Pseudo Saturn cartridge was a wonderful thing, but that time has sadly passed due to Cafe-Alpha no longer having quality AR carts to flash, and Chinese Knock-Offs causing quality to nosedive.

>>6423442
>Are stupidly more expensive than a Mod Chip.
go through a few CD spindles and the ODE would have paid for itself.

>>6422460
>>6423442
Not him, but another game that fails for the same reasons is Magic Knight Rayearth.

>>6423450
The average person isn't going to go through that many spindles of CD-Rs.

I plan on installing a universal BIOS onto my Saturn to ensure compatibility and not have to drill holes into my Saturn's shell.
Is there anything I should know about the UniBIOS before I go through with it? I know it's based off the Japanese startup and menu I think, but that's fine since my model is Japanese anyways and the menu has an English language option. What I still need, though, is a 1MB cart, 4MB cart, and Save Backup cart.
Is there a cart that combines the features of all three into one? I don't want to get separate carts if possible, and wanna just leave the same cart plugged in for most of the time. What I liked about the PseudoSaturn was that it has a physical switch to switch between 1MB/4MB/SaveBackup modes, but I'm not aware of any other carts out there that do that. Also, for anyone who has a PseudoSaturn or equivalent cart that has all three features -in SaveBackup mode, are you able to save directly to the cart from mid-game? Because I know the ActionReplay features SaveBackup, but only if you saved to the system memory first and then transferred to the cart.

>>6423538
> I don't want to get separate carts if possible, and wanna just leave the same cart plugged in for most of the time.
The Saturn Cart port being fragile is a myth. The thing just has a higher pin density than typical cartridge ports so it's more sensitive to dirt on the cartridge pins and in the connector. If you keep the cartridges clean you shouldn't have any problems.

Any combo carts are going to have the problems that have been stated above. Poor compatibility with 1MB RAM games, poor build quality causing compatibility issues, not being able to save directly to the cart, etc. If you're installing a Bios that unlocks the region and allows you to play back ups, then just use the official carts. They're more reliable and just work as intended.

>>6423478
Maybe, but sometimes a burn gets messed up or a copy is bad (very common with saturn unfortunately), sometimes there's a patch and there are a lot of games to try on the Saturn.

>>6423628
>a burn gets messed up
Use good media and good rips and that wont happen.

>a copy is bad
Quit getting your copies from emuparadise. Use Redump instead:
https://archive.org/details/redump.ss

>sometimes there's a patch
So patch it properly by actually reading the readme instead of winging it like a moron. Testing your patched ISO in an emulator before burning it helps too.

>a lot of games to try on the Saturn.
Sure, but again I doubt the average person is going to go through $200 worth of CD-Rs.

>>6414587
Based. I just recently purchased the Neo Geo Mini on a deal because I couldn't afford the AES/MVS consoles back in the day. Boy, do people in that expensive ass community got some things to say about the mini console.

"The mini™ game pads aren't clicky like the original controllers!"

"The characters in this game are missing shadows!"

"That's not even the real version!"

Just let my broke ass enjoy what I couldn't afford.

>>6423690
>$200
$110*

"good media" costs a little bit.

>>6423756
Which one are you referring to? If you mean Terra Onion's MODE that thing is going to be ~$200.
https://shop.terraonion.com/en/home/17-Terraonion_MODE_Dreamcast_Saturn_ODE.html

Satiator is still beta testing and has some compatibility issues. The others are only available once in a blue moon if the scalpers don't get them first to resell on ebay and 2x-3x the price.

And good media is more expensive than the $10 you can get cheap media for at Wal-Mart, but still you can get ~100 Professional Grade CD-Rs for about $25-$50 if you shop around a bit. And those are more than good enough.

>>6423769
Fenrir of course.

>>6423838
You mean the ones that got all bought up by scalpers and are now being sold on ebay in pre-modded systems for $200-$400?

>>6423873
No, you can pre-order one right now. The next order has arrived with the distributor and will be getting sent out as they pass testing.

>>6423882
Right and the last order got all bought up by scalpers and are now for sale on ebay in pre-modded systems. Secondly it has quite a few incompatibilities:
https://8bitmods.com/blog/fenrir-compatibility-list-redump/

Some are pretty glaring like Lunar, Last Bronx, etc. A mod chip is $20 and has 100% compatibility because as far as the system is concerned nothing has changed.

>>6423893
Lunar works just fine, Last Bronx seems like the only major title unless you wanna try that Digimon game out. Disc swapping just means you need to reboot and select the disc when it's time to switch. Considering how many games have been fixed already, something tells me it won't be long before the list is 100% green.

>>6424012
>Lunar Works Fine

Not Complete, it's listed as not playable. There's a few other games listed there with issues too and that's not even a fraction of the entire library. The fact very basic games are having issues tells me they have their work cut out for them. Secondly they said they only tested a minute or so for each game. So who knows if games that do a ton of streaming off the disc are going to work well once you get deep into them.

Oh, and on top of it all it's not even compatible with all Saturns. If you have an early Model 1 your shit out of luck. Mod Chips on the other hand are compatible with all Saturns.

>>6424054
> Requires Video Card
yeah that's not something a budget conscious saturn player is gonna be concerned with.

>>6424064
>requires cheap card few people even cared about until recently
>yeah im spending my money on cup noodles and weed

>>6424076
>>requires cheap card
They're almost as much as a fenrir. It's pretty obvious you're invested in mod chips. You do you.

Since we're talking about modchips and ODEs, how's general compatibility with the Phantom and ODEs? Am I gonna need to rip it out first for any of them?

>>6424064
Sure, but it's nice to have the option if you decide to get one down the road.

>>6424090
>They're almost as much as a fenrir.
Only if you're an idiot who gets only BINs on ebay.
> It's pretty obvious you're invested in mod chips
It's pretty obvious you're shilling a more expensive and half baked solution that doesn't work for the entire library or all Saturn's for that matter.

>>6424098
Phantom Mod Chip = 100% Compatibility. It just bypasses the copy protection and nothing else. Pseudo Saturn cartridges and ODEs try to do more and end up having compatibility issues.

If you're ok with burning CD-Rs go for the Phantom Mod Chip. It's cheaper and you wont have to worry about "Do I have the right firmware version/is there a firmware version that's compatible with this game?"

>>6424105
>doesn't work for the entire library or all Saturn's for that matter.
It will in time.

>>6424117
>It will in time.

A firmware update isn't going to magically add another pin to the ribbon cable connector to make it compatible with 21-pin Saturns.

>>6424120
Hey, if you got the wrong console wait for a model that does support it. Should have gotten the cooler model.

>>6424115
I meant between the two devices. I've got a phantom sitting in mine already.

>>6424123
>If you got the wrong console wait for a model that does support it
You realize that by not supporting the 21-pin Saturn is why the Fenrir is cheaper than the other ODEs right??

>Should have gotten the cooler model.
You realize that with some Saturn's the only way to tell is to open it up right? Some people prefer the Model 1 to the Model 2. Some it's the one they've had for years or the one the got at launch.

$100 for an ODE that may not work with your Saturn or the games you want to play vs $20 for a Mod chip that has 100% compatibility with all Saturns and games. It's not a hard decision.

>>6424129
The Phantom Mod chip has 100% compatibility with all games and hardware. The ODEs currently available do not do not.

>>6414296
i was about to shit on people who stress about playing on the actual consoles instead of just downloading an emulator and enjoying the games hazzle free but who am i to tell you how to live your life. Just make it more difficult by having a shit hobby, am i right guise?

>>6414296
What can I say?

Misery loves company.

>>6417779
It's not hard to burn the pseudo Saturn on a disc and make your own psuedo cart. The only problem is not being able to use the cart slot for a game that needs it, other than that it's pretty simple. There's tons of guides online.

>>6423550
You miss the point and sidestepped my question.
I want to leave the cart in out of convenience, I don't want two to three different cartridges all the time.
And again,
>poor compatibility with 1MB RAM games
is ALSO a myth with the PsuedoSaturn cart. Glitches arose from the Action Replay because it used software to detect which RAM expansion each game needed, while the PsuedoSaturn uses a physical switch on the body of the cartridge.

Back to my original question: Do there exist similar multicarts with a physical switch that combine all three features into one, or is the PsuedoSaturn cart the only one known to do so?

>>6424251
>PsuedoSaturn uses a physical switch on the body of the cartridge.
The switch does nothing. The Pseudo Saturn software has no knowledge that the switch is there and it doesn't do anything about it. If you see a Pseudo Saturn cartridge with a Switch that cartridge is a cheap knock off. It's just their to con idiots into buying it. Those cartridges are just chinese knock off Action Replays with a crappy version of Pseudo Saturn installed. They have the exact same problems as the Action Replay with 1MB RAM cart games and even more due to the cheapness and corners they cut.

It's actually been frustrating the creators of the Pseudo Saturn.

>Do there exist similar multicarts with a physical switch that combine all three features into one, or is the PsuedoSaturn cart the only one known to do so?

No, they are all mimicking the 4MB Cartridge as they are all based off the Action Replay Cart. This includes those Pseudo Saturn carts you see on ebay. Some might have a hack to allow games to save to them but you're still going to have issues with 1MB RAM Cart games. The only way to fix the 1MB RAM cart issue is to have separate RAM chips and circuitry on the board to switch between 1MB of RAM and 4MB of RAM with the correct speeds. None of these carts are doing that, you can open them up and see for yourself.

So your choices are this:
1) Convenience with compatibility issues
2) Swapping Carts with no compatibility issues.

Take your pick.

>>6423442
A local store has one of these for sale

Would this be a good one to start with to enjoy me some imports? It has no ram cart features but its better than nothing for start

>>6424645
I think that's one of the really old ones that only does cheats. Also I think you'll find that's one of the few old third party carts that has a thicker PCB that can damage the cartridge slot.

>>6424706
>Thicker PCB that can damage the cartridge slot
Fucking magical. I'm always impressed by the new and unique ways companies found to fuck up with various things with older systems.

>>6414795
Looks like a PS2 game.

>>6415067
>>THE SEGA SATURN COMMUNITY
>>COMMUNITY
>Since when was a bunch of (people) a "community"?
That's what a community is, you fucking retard.

>>6424706
Oh i see
I also saw this thing but i cant find much info on it online

I just wanna play some japanese games and experience what the saturn import scene is all about

>>6424090
>i shop exclusively on ebay
lol
>it's pretty obvious i'm invested in cope
it is
>>6424123
>let me show you just how invented in cope i am
Damn! You're a copeonaire

>>6424510
iirc the creators of the PseudoSaturn used to make their own [good] quality cartridges, but eventually stopped and then we got swamped with the crappy cheap knockoffs, no? At least that's the story I heard.
Regardless that's a shame, thanks anyways.

>>6414296
did you really need to take that long to type "facebook is cancer" ? as to your question: no, it will not get better. only worse.

>>6424945
They stopped because they ran out of good quality Action Replay carts to use and couldn't get a new source for cases and boards.

>>6424841
So for that I'd say your best options now sadly are the following:
1) Region Mod the Saturn.
2) Use a Mod chip and burn copies of your import games with the region patched.
3) Track Down an older Pro Action Replay 4-in-1 cartridge (White Cartridge with a Comms port.)
4) Get a Japanese Saturn.

>>6423450
Unless you have the pickiest console on Earth, the price tag of the CD stock you're using should take a long-ass time to catch up to the ODE.

>>6427470
depends on the quality of the media and how many games you play

>>6427028
Option 3 it is i guess

>>6428605
Mod chip is still cheaper with better compatibility.

Try to see it the pre-Zoomer way: We were told the whole time that prices for all of the consoles would drop, that whatever system we had was mostly a consumable item. Now it's at least the same price for a used 1. And let's not forget that actual current systems have significantly better quality, so they're asking us to pay current-gen prices for something physically inferior.

>>6431825
But "we" weren't told that the whole time. For decades I've been telling my faggot millennial kids to take care of their shit, keep the boxes, etc, choose fewer toys of high quality as opposed to asking for a bunch of cheap shit. And it's worked out very well for them. Sorry to hear your parents suck bro.

>>6414305
FPBP

>>6414296
Wtf is this saturn

>>6432408
Its a collaboration with Hitachi for a hybrid of a GPS system and a Sega Saturn

>>6432435
Thats actually pretty dope

>>6415067
>>6418721
owned! lol.