/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6415171
OP again; unfortunately, it's probably utter shit for Genesis, though. Part of me wishes it had Y/C. Maybe I can actually input that internally, though, since it has a switch to disable the color processing circuit.

>rgb

>>6415178
Sorry you're having a hard time finding an RGB set, anon.

Thankfully this is reasonably well suited for black and white; throwing the monochrome switch eliminates the chroma blur effect (it's different than just turning down saturation to nil). So for pure black and white images it looks pretty crisp given the tube's low TVL (it's from the mid-80's so I give it a pass there).

>>6415187
I definitely like how un-pronounced the scanline effect is. It's Probably because this tube's phosphor pitch was likely chosen specifically for the Apple II.

>>6415187
>>6415171
>>6415191
Yet more proof scanlines are a defect.

>>6415171

FD Trinitron WEGA fags please report in. PVM's are meme, overpriced, overrated, and an aesthetic eyesore.

>>6415215
Owning a PVM and also a JVC RGB monitor, the sony definitely looks uglier (too much scanline, too little picture).
That said, WEGA is try-hard without the money to back it up.
If you wanna go trinifagging, I'd much rather have either a PVM or a non-flat consumer set.

>>6415215
>t. I don't know anything about CRTs but heard trinitrons are the best so I bought the first set that said "trinitron" on it

>>6415224
>>6415171
P.S.
Apple looks okay but I don't think the colors are quite right.
Those old 80s TV's are a bitch to calibrate though, and they suffer the NTSC color shifting a lot more than newer sets.

>>6415229
Once the tube warmed up it improved significantly.

Switched to silver; I remembered why I don't like gen 1 as much (it's still good but I also had an empty save slot in Silver).

>>6415178
learn to solder nigga not my fault you're too stupid to hold a soldering pen

>>6415218
>>6415224

FV310 baby. PVM quality -- pro fucking sumer

>>6415224
>heard trinitrons are the best

You realize every tech site or home theater magazine in the early 2000's pretty much agreed on this right?

>>6415274
Topkek.
>>6415281
Your head is so far up your own ass that your eyes can't notice how ugly those scanlines are.
>flat screen
>PVM quality
As the owner of an 800TVL PVM, lol, no. You're not even close.
I don't like PVM's too much because I actually have seen a PVM IRL. I keep mine only because it does 480p.
>>6415285
>being good for watching TV == being good for old vidya which doesn't usually use 480i
whoosh.

I really want a 480p display that's between 20" and 25"
One that could take Component or RGB-Scart input

>>6415287

>My PVMeme ultrasound display is superior and the optimum way to retro

Time for bed grandpa.

>>6415303
>Non sony monitors are PVM's
I'm the same guy with the Apple monitor.
And the monitor in pic is a Commodore 1942 Amiga monitor. Try again.
It does 480p, too.

>>6415309
>Commodore 1942 Amiga monitor
>Implying it isn't time for bed.

>>6415313
>I don't have good things and am mad other people do

>>6415313
having /vr/ hardware on /vr/ is a bad thing now

>>6415313
GTFO, zoomer. Go watch another youtube video plugging your shitty set to stoke your ego.

Is it worth digging out my old Dell CRT monitor? I believe it was this one.

>>6415328
Those are pretty commonplace, but I always liked 'em.
They won't be good for plugging a snes into but if you want to emulate it might be fine.

>>6415289
PC monitor. What do you have that's "SCART" and 480p?

I picked up this bad boy not too long ago and I love it. It's only 21" but it's a huge improvement over my old 14" daewoo. I'm planning on turning my wii into an retro emulator, so I can get the most out of it.

Did anyone manage to get component out of a Pi 3B with those HDMI to YPbPr boxes? I bought one and couldn't get it to show a picture for the life of me. RetroRGB lied to me.

>>6415171
Just picked up my CRT, it’s a bit on the big side tho I’ve heard it’s a good one.

Bang and olufsen mx7000

>>6415171
>CRT lmao amidoinitrite :D

>>6415328
I found and old dell monitor similar to this one expect the screen is flat. Is this a bad thing?

>>6415171
My HD-Wega. Pictures just don't do it justice, but either way I love this little behemoth.
>inb4 not retro game
I'm aware, but it's Spawn.

I need to convert RGB to s video. Do you think this CRS-2000 will properly handle 240p? Anyone used one before?

>>6415215
FD Trinifag reporting in, 25” KV-25DA65 from 2006. Feels good man.

>>6415768
IMO that's about the best set you can get. RGB SCART, excellent speakers and contrast and large.

>>6415837
Does your HD-WEGA handle 240p sources okay? Like retro consoles, any lag or scaling issues? I’ve heard HD CRTs don’t do a great job with retro systems.

>>6415313
Fucking zoomers

>>6415328

If the tube's still a bit fresh - Yes.

>>6416006
As far as I can tell it does. I've done a lag test and there doesn't seem to be any noticeable delay and I play platformers religiously.

>>6415768
where's the remote

>>6416159
>>6416006
Forgot to mention, even if it is a problem I also have a PVM and a SD-Trinitron. I just love the Wega specifically or [non] retro games. It handles Gamecube, Dreamcast and PS2 wonderfully.

>>6415246
You had an empty slot because the battery is dead. Hope you didn’t get too far.

>>6415215
KV-32FV310 reporting in. I had to move 2 times this past month and the first time the company I hired sent probably the 2 oldest guys they could. My room was on the 2nd floor. Some choice quotes from one of them -
>"holy shit that thing is arse snappin heavy"
>"those TVs should be illegal!"
>"fuck sony!"

>>6416006
>240p sources

Flawlessly. Pretty much all WEGA's do pre-HD models.

>>6415328

I still have my Dell M992 in storage. Never got around to figuring out how to get retro consoles to work on it.

>>6416404

I'm picking up a kd-34xbr970 this week with low hours on it. what should I play on it besides reruns of the x-files?

>>6416442
>KV-32FV310

Unicorn of consumer sets. PVM power circuitry on the PCB and a PVM voltage regulator for bloom.

Fucker was nearly $2k new.

>>6416251
I have the remove, just testing so N64. Need to buy an S-video cable. RGB mod later.

>27FV310

am I just too late to the party? all I want is a decent TV but everyone on facebook marketplace wants cash for their 12" coaxial-only shitbox. on the miracle off-chance that I do see one that's decent and not covered in feces, it's literally claimed before I can even get a response. I thought people were supposed to be just giving them away

>>6416814
>I thought people were supposed to be just giving them away
80% of people gave them away already, the ones left are the ones in side rooms, not in main use.

>>6416814

Occasionally you will find someone moving out who needs to get rid of it quick becasue it's 200 lbs, not realizing its value on the niche market.

Be patient and wait on it.

>>6416814
This must just really vary by area. Im not in a massive city or anything and theres always some kind of decent set, like component/above 20" etc being given away. Maybe its cause my city has a ton of old people

Genuine question from someone who has never gamed on a CRT, is the difference when playing on an actual CRT compared to a good CRT filter via emulation really that big? And also where is a good spot to get a good CRT nowadays? I for one have no clue about brands and have no good local used market. Is there any company that still manufactors ones or something?

>found a sony trinitron for dirt cheap online, unknown model, around $13 USD. Not FD, but has S-video and it's in good condition
>announced as 27"
>go get it
>it was actually a 34", sony trinitron kv-3459t
>heavy as fuck, huge, 80-100Kg for sure
>busted my arms to climb both floors with the help of another dude
>don't even know where to place it at home yet because it can break weaker furniture
>body all sore

>>6417001
As some one who has went from a shitty composite/mono only memorex CRT to a D series. I can defiantly say yes. CRT filters are good but there not as good as a actual CRT and quality can vary among emulators. Its kinda hard to explain.

>>6417068
Alright, makes sense. That leads into the second part of the question, how do I get one and which do I get? As I said, there's not much of a used market here at all, I live in a shitty rural village which is mostly just abandoned houses anyway and local carboot sales wouldn't have ones (at least the good ones) most likely considering that the year is 2020 and even we Irish have mostly moved on from the CRT, I doubt there's gonna be many looking to ditch them now.

>>6417025
The price of falling for the meme. Enjoy retard

>>6417086
ouch man all I can suggest is to get a lesser CRT based on the recommend brands in the op. if it has something better than composite its probably decent.

i got this Security Monitor a Triview TCM-1420s that has S-video and composite inputs, was new in the box when i got so figured why not picture is a bit off on one side but image is pretty good over all feel like i can adjust this somehow if i open it up, need to anyway speaker sounds like ass so i am gonna replace it.

>he's still in the "extreme angles make something look better" phase
>he's bragging about it looking ugly like a PVM
Glad I went through that phase years ago, but god it makes me cringe looking back.

Image from 2015, PVM-20L5. Tri-dot screens are better.

>>6417271
Same year, but with a more faggoty angle for illustration's sake.
Trinitrons are overrated. Sure, they look pixelly, but especially the higher end ones are trash for 240p.

>>6417253
Looks pretty good.

Why not just use external speakers? With one of my sets I just use an old repurposed iPod dock with a TRS jack on the back for auxilliary input.

>>6417253
I'd recommend not replacing the internal speaker, especially if the magnetic field of the replacement is different than the original. It can cause color purity and convergence issues. Use external speakers.

>>6417025
Non-FD are better if you mod them for RGB.
Apart from that, your fault for falling for the meme, as per >>6417121 .

>>6417271
>>6417315
>>6416657
>>6415287
>>6415281

I must have read the thread wrong. I didn't know this was a shader thread. Why bother setting up a CRT if it looks exactly like the shader I use??

(All others look legit though)

>>6417343
>Why bother setting up a CRT if it looks exactly like the shader I use?
for the soul

>>6417323
>>6417317
this is how i have it all set up for now.
I thought about that, i have a bluetooth speaker with a aux jack i can use that runs off 5v, if i can get away with just swapping out the speaker with another and no cap replacement of any kind i rather keep it an AiO affair, mono doesn't bother me so much. i have a few other busted smaller sets that should have a speaker in them that won't affect this monitor i can pull one from

>>6417121
>>6417327
>Non-FD are better if you mod them for RGB.

Trying this hard.

I did it
I paid money for a consumer set

>>6416431
No shit, sherlock. I replaced the battery, but that still left me without any save data because it got wiped when the original battery died.

If you had actually read the OP you would have realized I'm not a tard who doesn't know about SRAM batteries on /vr/ in 2020:
>Replaced the battery in this Yellow cart, so I think I'll play on it for a while.
>Switched to silver; I remembered why I don't like gen 1 as much (it's still good but I also had an empty save slot in Silver).
>>6417343
>I don't know the difference between a good CRT with RGB and a shader
>I can't identify camera sensor artifacts either
Top two are a 20L5 (800TVL), 4th is a Commodore 1942 (750TVL tri-dot).
Others IDK because I only posted those.
>>6417362
Imagine being capable of doing anything competently besides just consooming endlessly.
Better than not trying at all. I'd never be able to use the Commodore 1942 for anything but my Amiga if I didn't mod it to support CSync (unlike the 1084 it doesn't natively do it).
>being confident in one's abilities and capable of doing things for himself is coping
>buying overpriced solutions isn't coping
>>6417375
What set?
Paying money in and of itself isn't a problem. How much did you spend though?
>>6417352
OK then; enjoy your color purity issues. You'll get them. Your set was purity/convergence corrected with the original speaker in place. Unless you're swapping it for an identically shit one you'll change the field.

>>6417375

I'm fitting in guys, I'm so cool.

>>6417383
>>6417343
See pic. You're retarded and overly paranoid.

>>6417383
>What set?
panasonic CT-27D11E
$25

geometry is a little warped but it's the perfect size, has component inputs, and I live in a very desperate location

>>6417386
uh, no.

>>6417390
>CT-27D11E
IIRC the CT-series was pretty good for the time. $25 sounds acceptable for me. Assuming USD.

>>6417393
Much better without the meme zoom. Either way, this is the absolute lowest tier shader, the fucking pi shader. Cope.

>>6417121
>>6417327
Why are you saying i fell for a meme? I wanted a good and bigger screen to play my games on, I paid very little for it and it's certainly an upgrade from my 14" philips

I'm actually happy with long term retro projects in hand, creating my own retro space in my own home. Maybe modding it. It's just bigger than I expected.

Every now and then I see a wega around. If I ever go for one, I may donate this 34" one to someone from my local retro scene if I ever decide so.

>>6417409
Reminder:
Scanlines are an artifact, a side effect.
I deal with them because the sets with them usually have higher horizontal resolution and better video input options, which are the bits that actually matter to me.
People who think "scan lines" are the real reason to own a CRT need to get themselves tested because they're probably retarded incest-births.
>>6417419
How much did you pay?
And trinitrons are usually heavier than their same-size shadow mask counterparts. They're also the meme brand to look for.
If you got it at a good price and not simply because it said "trinitron" on it, then that's a justifiable rationale.
Don't get a wega; you have a better set.

>>6417434
>>6417025
>around $13 USD

>>6417445
You're fine then.
Still, the point about trinis usually being heavier than shadow mask counterparts holds up.

>>6417434
>If you got it at a good price and not simply because it said "trinitron" on it, then that's a justifiable rationale.

Trinitron tech was so good, companies copied that shit when the patent ran out in the late 90's.

Clearly ignorant of CRT history and tech in general. Go back to /v/ zoomer. Keep coping.

>>6417450
The thing I'm concerned about is the physical aspect. Wherever and however I place it, I don't want to move the thing around much anymore. It's got a huge butt so I was thinking about placing it at a corner, but then I'd have trouble connecting the cables on the back input. There are two composite inputs on the back, audio outputs and the s-video input. And one composite input on the front.

Putting it in front of a wall would be better visually but a hell functionally

>>6415195
The most beautiful defect since blue eyes

>>6417001
some filters can approximate the kind of blending that a crt does to the image but none of them really look like an actual crt. That's not necessarily bad but when dealing with filters you should adjust your expectations

>>6417271
20L5's godly

>>6417457
>ignorant of CRT history
So quiz me then.
Warning: I have an EE degree and my first summer job was repairing TV's in the 80's.
Also, I came to my conclusions by actually observing the different technologies and coming to my own conclusions, rather than being told what to think by consumer reports (or, if you're a zoomer, youtuber "SONY'S UNBEATABLE TECHNOLOGEE" videos).
Critical thinking will take you far. Trinitrons are great if you want rectangular-shaped pixels in a perfect grid, but at that point why not just emulate on an LCD? because of defects like "scanlines" (which are actually the absence of a raster in one field of a normally 480i image)?
Also, I own a PVM-20L5, so I can honestly say I formed my opinions based on the actual merits of the technology.
>go back to /v/ zoomer
My family got a 2600 when I was 15 (around 1982). My newest console is a Wii. I wouldn't fit in there.
>>6417471
I don't agree with you, but you're allowed to think that.
>>6417489
It's really not unless you like half the screen being dark. But I do like it for 480p which is why I didn't sell it when I got some nice tri-dot 480i sets.

>>6415171
What's the best way of demodulating rf?

Please don't say a VCR. I managed to find a professional jvc s-vhs player, no it doesn't have a demodulator attached and I don't want another massive vhs player just to demodulate. I'd prefer one with a half decent comb filter if possible.

>>6417498
>demodulating it?
You mean RF?
Why are you quoting OP? OP's using composite video.
>Please don't say a VCR
Sorry; your answer is a VCR.
There's no reason to use S-VHS these days anyway, except for capturing existing S-VHS tapes,
>comb filter
That's done by the TV itself internally, unless you're using S-video. RF video just encodes composite, rather than S-Video, so it needs a comb filter (or notch, or some other means of separating luma and chroma) inside the TV set regardless.

>>6417512
>>demodulating it?
You might need glasses anon.
>quoting
Forgot to remove after pulling up quick reply.
>There's no reason to use S-VHS these days anyway, except for capturing existing S-VHS tapes,
I have an interactive vision. If someone can just digitize the library I already plan on recording the "games" onto s-vhs tapes. Cause why not?
>your answer is a vcr
So something like this wouldn't be worth looking into?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/RF-To-AV-Analog-TV-Receiver-Converter-Modulator-Power-Adapter-USB-US-EU-Plug-/233096287488?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10&&&var=532583567512&varId=532583567512

>>6417523
>glasses
Fuck, I'm already wearing them.
My mistake, though. How embarrassing.
Just use a capture card. Cause S-VHS is bulky as you said and expensive to get tapes and machines for. It's the ultimate hipster VCR (besides possibly betamax or the early pre-VHS home video tape formats).
You asked for the best way, which is a VCR when considering price and utility as well as the quality of the "demodulation" offered. New RF tuners in 2020 are guaranteed to be for people who don't give a damn about quality.
The best way is to mod your stuff to not output RF but output NTSC (or whatever your native video standard is).

>>6417535
>It's the ultimate hipster VCR
lol, yeah it kinda is.
>>6417535
>New RF tuners in 2020 are guaranteed to be for people who don't give a damn about quality.
That's the info I was pretty much looking for.
Man I was hoping I wouldn't have to mod the heavy sixer I just got, but I guess I could just put a stereo jack for audio, and then just have the rf cable function as a composite cable.
Thanks for the advice anon.

>>6417523
Also, I can't tell from their engrish description for sure, but you should know that not all countries and regions use the same frequencies for TV. For instance, the most common example of this is that Japanese channel 1 is approximately (but not exactly) the frequency of channel 95 in the USA. So if it's not aimed for your region it's likely trash.

>>6417547
You can run a second cable out of the hole the 2600 uses for RF, too. That's what I'd do.
I play 2600 games (on a 2600A, the four switch model) through my Panasonic VCR and it looks pretty decent for what it's worth.
I mod most of my consoles, but given how little I play VCS games these days it didn't feel worth it. Also I have more sentimental attachment to mine than most of my other systems since my late parents bought it for me and my brother. The rest of my consoles I bought myself,

>>6417548
>>6417554
I had an atlantic scientific tv tuner of some sort that seemed to work for a little bit then shit the bed. No idea why. I can't keep throwing money at tv tuners to have them fail on me.
As for the atari, I'm trying to minimize new holes. and I already swapped out the original coax cable for a fancier radio shack rca cable, and it's way too thick for another to use the same hole. important to not the hole on the heavy sixer is a lot smaller.

>>6417578
If you just listen to what I said and feed two cables out the existing hole that the 2600 uses for its RF cable, you don't have to drill a single hole.
And why the fuck did you not keep the original cable??
You can use any old RCA cable in a pinch. ditch the fat cable, it's (almost) worthless for composite video, especially on short runs.
>hole on the heavy sixer is smaller
Well, I'll have a look in my service manuals (I own service manuals for the 2600) but I was pretty sure the hole was the same size.

>>6417578
also you can just use an ethernet cable or something similar in concept but smaller, if you want. As long as you're just carrying composite video and audio, there should be negligible interference/crosstalk between the two.

>>6417581
>And why the fuck did you not keep the original cable??
I still have it. you can literally just unplug them. They're interchangable for the most part.
I"m trying to minimize interference as much as I possibly can since my displays are good, but there's no reason to upgrade 2600s past composite.
Let me ask you something. Do audio rca cables take in interference like composite would?

>>6417598
>you can literally just unplug them
I know that; but since you said you'd replaced it with a fatter one and there wouldn't be room, that implied you didn't keep the thinner one so you could switch back.
Usually (_usually_), RCA cables use the same shielding for both audio and video.
Cables with fat shielding will use thicker shielding typically, but it's not as much of an issue when not using RF.
And if the audio picking up video signal noise is your concern, you'll either hear a 60hz buzz or almost nothing. Most parts of video signals are at frequencies far too high to be picked up via induction. It's unlikely you'll have any trouble but I don't want to say "impossible."

Out of curiosity, does yours have a channel 2/3 selection switch? Some of the earliest sixers didn't (they only output on channel 3).

>>6417618
okay then so maybe I might be able to squeeze the audio out of one of the ventilation slots. I'd still prefer to continue using the fancy rca cable though. IT wont look super nice, but it shouldn't be too hard to hide. I mean it's the atari, it sounds like shit anyway, but I just wanted to be sure doing that wouldn't pick up on tons of noise.
>Out of curiosity, does yours have a channel 2/3 selection switch? Some of the earliest sixers didn't (they only output on channel 3).
no switch visible. I figured that was one of the traits of the heavy sixer, made in cali, heavy as a textbook, but sturdy as steel.

i got one recently, its kinda like a trini XBR, has neat side speakers. i hooked my laserdisc player to it, been watching them all day

>>6417598
Also note: the manual says a few things about preventative maintenance you might want to consider while you're in there.

>>6417635
part 2

>>6417635
>>6417642
shit thanks man. Don't want to stay off topic too much, but any recommendations for a 2600 composite mod? Something cheap but effective.

>>6417645
oh and also the color/bw switch isn't working. Idk if that is an addressed problem in there or not.

>>6417642
Encountering very very slow upload speeds. Please bear with me.
>>6417645
>cheap but effective
That's the other reason why I haven't bothered AV modding mine. RF looks fine, I have a VCR, and AV mods look annoying.
>>6417648
On any game? Try combat. Not all games respond to the color/B&W switch, and some use it for things other than toggling color, too.
I think the manual does mention that though, let me look around.

>>6417650
>>6417642
>>6417635

this shit is cool
its hard to find though, but im always keeping an eye out for it. its how i got my SGI Indy computer

>>6417650
>On any game?
shit you're right. Guess dolphin doesn't have a b&w mode. It does seem to have a small problem booting when it's in color mode though. If I flip the switch that fixes it though.

>>6417665
oh, but now that I've called attention to the booting issue, it just fucking is nowhere to be seen. Nevermind on that point.

>>6417654
Lucky bastard; I'd still like one of those.
It's how I got my amiga 500 with HDD (a590) and monitorfor $40, though.
I just wish I had one that had an MMU so I could run a unix on it.
These manuals came from my first workplace when they stopped repairing Atari stuff in the early 90's.
>>6417665
That could be the 'power-on-reset' bug manifesting itself strangely. Later revision 2600A's (four switchers) had an NE555 timer chip onboard to prevent a deadlock at boot. It's mostly random. Let me find the schematics.

Captcha's being a complete whore; I'm having to use a VPN to solve the captchas and then turn it off to post now.

>>6417682
>>6417673
Here's how they have the NE555 wired up on the rev. 16+ 2600A. Completely fixes the power-up-freeze issue by using the timer to toggle the reset line, preventing a "race condition" halt.
The next pic I'll post kind of elaborates on this in a sense.

>>6417702
>>6417673
>>6417665
One of the guys at the repair shop made a note of how you need to put in a bigger capacitor to replace one Atari was using or you'll get those random power-up failures. (It's also by coincidence one of the first things I encountered by first time using digital logic circuits.)

Instead of the NE555, you can get most of the way there by bumping the value of the 4.7µF capacitor (C201) up a bit. Try 10µF or so. If you're not having any luck, replace the stuff wired to pin 1 on the CPU with the NE555 circuit from a late 2600A and that should 100% fix the issue (but it's more invasive).

is it bad if the CRT makes a noise in certain resolutions but doesnt in others? its a computer CRT

>>6417682
i got an sgi monitor and keyboard with it too
someone tossed it out in the trash

>>6417707
The capacitor swap sounds way more up my alley.
thanks man.
Gonna put an av mod in there. make it as reversible as possible. Can always go back to rf if I want, but gonna keep it ready for composite. I gotta say, for the most part this really worked out. Thanks for all the help.
sorry for the minor derailing.

>>6417708
If by 'certain resolutions' you don't mean 15khz, yeah, it might be.
Consider replacing capacitors; I hope it's not your flyback transformer or yoke.
Some yokes might do this relatively harmlessly though due to age and loosening of their windings with heat.
>>6417715
God dammit. I want.
I have a Sun keyboard (5C) but no machine to go with it sadly. I did make an adapter for using it with my PC.
I'll keep begging a friend for his second DEC Alpha server I guess.
You're fine, I like this stuff too.
Have the full schematics (if you can read them at this size).

>>6417727
>>6417708
Oh yeah, and if it's not a true multiscan monitor don't try running strange resolutions it's not meant for through it.

>>6417727
p.p.s.
When choosing a ground point, keep in mind that this schematic shows you conveniently which points to use for video vs. logic modifications.

If you need 5200 help I also have schematics for that.

>>6417739
Nah my 5200 works perfectly fine. Unless you can answer me the question as to why joust wasn't made 4 player. It infuriates me! I have the sparky 4 port console, but the only game that would be fucking kickass to play with 4 people isn't even capable of it.

>>6417645
>2600 composite mod
You can also try getting a flashback 2 and doing a cartridge mod.

>>6417742
IDK, it'd be great if it did.
I don't own a 5200, and it always feels like a strange outlier in so many ways.
Is your switchbox working alright?

>>6417785
Kinda defeats the point of using original hardware doesn't it?
>>6417821
>Is your switchbox working alright?
Shockingly well. Got the thing in box and it still had the foam and plastic protector. I don't think it was unused, but it does its job. I don't use the console a ton since its almost all ports and they're often better on different consoles. When I get the game room going and it's always set up, I'll be able play it on a whim if I want to.
What would go wrong with it if it weren't okay?

>>6417001
Yes, i havent seen a crt shader running that actually resembles playing on a crt yet. they're basically just SuperEagle for 2020. It's not really just about how crts look displaying any given image re: blending etc but what makes them the best for video games is their motion resolution, and to even approximate it on a sample-and-hold display is going to require way more money and configuration and hassle than just finding any old crt for free on facebook or w/e, plugging your system in via svid/component/etc and calling it a day

>>6417491
>at that point why not just emulate on an LCD?
Because of motion resolution, subtle bloom or glow, latency, and pixel structure is not perfectly rectangular but rounded

>>6415171

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQxxus_a3dw

>>6415640
Are you watching with wiimc?

>>6417858
>motion resolution.
You seem to forget that game consoles have these things called "pixels" limiting that.
>bloom/glow
lots of shit TN panels do that.
>latency
OK, but how often do you actually notice.
>pixel structure is rounded
Not really on a (good) trinitron with a good video signal. You get that much more on a tri-dot display, hence my point. Trinitrons are not the ideal CRT for retro vidya unless you like a look you can easily get on an LCD.
>>6417836
Apparently, shite video quality's the main complaint. Also power gets delivered via it, so it's kind of a critical failure point if things do go wrong.
That's what I hear, anyway.

So glad I discovered /crt/ in 2016, managed to snag 14" and 20" PVM for $225 total, and also a 20" KV Trini for $20. Wasn't as ahead of the curve as the boys snagging then for free 10 years ago but compared to the inflation today I made out pretty good

Thanks doods

>>6417914
>he spent over $100 per pro set
That makes me sad.
Anyway that looks less jagged than most PVM's I see. I guess that's a lower-TVL one. And maybe not a 1chip/mini. And possibly not RGB.

>>6417918

It's a 20M2MDU so yeah not the crown jewel or anything. As for the SNES, I have it connected via s-video, but I've never noticed any significant difference via RGB anyways, pretty sure it's not a 1-chip though I can't verify for sure.

And yeah, it makes me sad sometimes that I spent actual money on my PVMemes. Then I look at current prices on eBay and the like and feel better about myself.

Would this be good for component or s-video? The guy is giving it away for free.

>>6417926
No, it's good that it's lower TVL. I'd deem it acceptable unlike the really high ones.
>pretty sure it's not a 1-chip
I'd agree with that, although if you try RGB you might see a difference.
You could always just open the snes up.
>>6417948
Sure, but there are plenty of better non-flat tubes out there.

>>6417948
yes if you don't like it
trow it to the garbage!

Looking for a good AV switch

Must have
Composite
S-Video
Component
Auto sensing switching
Lots of inputs

Bonus
Remote
Front input
Renaming inputs

Currently using a Joytech AV Control Center 2

Seems to be okay but I think it's starting to have problems.

>>6417836
Oh hey, I just found an official, atari-sanctioned guide in the 5200 service manuals for how to modify a 5200 for the 2600 VCS cartridge adapter.

Any interest?

>>6417959
You can rename inputs with a label maker.
Or just make a diagram.
My setup's a little convoluted, I use a KVM switch for RGB signals and normal composite A/V switches for sync and real composite video signals both.

>>6418192
Thats why its a bonus if it has that feature.

My space is a bit small so having it all in one would be nice.

>>6417959
"auto sensing switching"
So what happens if you have multiple things on at once?

>>6418195
Mine fits on my desk, but the cables are a bit of a sight to behold.
I use my own connectors instead of SCART or whatever.

>>6418196
it switches to the last thing it turns on

Say I turn on a NES and then SNES it switches to SNES. If I turn the SNES off it switches back to the NES. I had a Radio shack one that did this quite well but they'd break after a year or two.

>>6418197
I need something that can fit above in a 4-5 inch gap. Like I said my set up is cramped.

>>6418196
Obviously diagram is out of date there (duplicate famicom entries).

>>6418204
US SNES cart for scale. I don't have an imperial ruler handy.

>>6418217
How exactly are you using a KVM switch for RGB signals?

>>6418220
I use one of these to connect 480p YPbPr video sources to my PC monitor, too, since it accepts YPbPr or RGB inputs over its VGA connector.

I pass sync via the same switch as composite video. I daisychain the composite video line out from my RGB monitor to the external sync input so I can use the single switch to control both.

>>6418220
alternately I could be using those VGA -> RGBHV BNC cables but leaving one of the wires unused.

>>6418232
>>6418230
very neat

On another note I am looking at getting some component cables for my SNES but all I can find are RGB ones. The Retro Vision ones are always sold out.

https://retro-access.com/collections/super-nintendo/products/snes-csync-bnc-and-rca-cable-pro-coaxial-multicore-for-pvm-monitor

Would I be able to use this for Component?

Forgot to mention.
When mapping YPbPr through VGA style connectors, they pretty much always map:
Y -> G
Pb -> B
Pr -> R

>>6418230
>>6418232
also you wouldn't mind drawing up your set up in a diagram would you? Its kinda interesting.

>>6418246
I already did
>>6418196

>>6418240
Well duh, the SNES doesn't output YPbPr (although a few early models internally will generate it and not expose it).
Those "HD RetroVision™" cables just have a chip inside to convert the RGB signals that it does output into YPbPr component.

>>6418250
ah I figured they had some sort of converter.

>>6418250
only thing I omit is the RGB stuff, but it's pretty much just centered around providing sync via whatever means necessary, with a few extras thrown in for composite-only systems (the NES/Famicom).
The luma PSX output is its sync signal in the diagram, for instance.
I need to add the Super Famicom stuff to it, since the regular famicom doesn't go through the switch for anything but audio.
I use my VCR for an additional two inputs.

>>6418253
consider RGB modding your set. It'll be a learning experience.

>>6418259
I have a PVM just never bothered to dive that deep into RGB due to the cost of getting all the proper equipment.

I am willing to try and get as many of my consoles on Component though that can support it.

>>6418264
I did it for next to nothing, but I'm the "nothing is sacred" type that just put RCA jacks on everything to run RGB out of using component cables.
I repurpose RF modulator jacks for sync so I don't have to drill as many holes though. I use composite video cables for the audio bits.

However, for the PSX I did use one of those external dongle things, rewired internally just a little bit so that the luma output gets fed to the yellow RCA jack instead of composite video (luma is a slightly better sync source) and composite video gets passed through. I couple that to a PS2 component cable for easy RGB without modding internally.

>>6418275
Neat

I am just looking for the quickest cleanest way to hook stuff up. I got my first S-video for my SNES and it was a step up. Then I got a Component cable for my Wii and that was also good. I am looking to just consolidate all my consoles to one format for a more easier time with a capture card and not to have so many cables all over.

>>6418275
I highly recommend this route for the PSX, at least. It's really easy. And if you're fine with composite-as-sync, even easier. PS2 Component cable plus an RCA cord for the sync line and four RCA -> BNC adapters for the monitor. Internal modding optional (you can just use composite video as sync).
You won't have capacitors on the RGB lines unless you add them inside the adapter dongle, but (while I do have the capacitors) they aren't really necessary.

>>6418283
Whats the model number of that little adapter?

>>6418250
>Those "HD RetroVision™" cables just have a chip inside to convert the RGB signals that it does output into YPbPr component.

They also get sync from composite, which is somewhat inferior to true CSYNC, but your average layman wouldn't notice I guess.

>>6418286
Oh, i meant to say. My bad.
SCPH-1160. The PS2's SCPH-10080 is the same idea, but japan-only. 1160 is in the States, too.
SCPH-10130 also exists, and is the same plus an S-video connector.

It's basically a "guncon adapter," also made by many others. I can just guarantee the 1160 works; it's also a source of official sony A/V connectors with every single connector pin populated.

>>6418293
wait, why do they do that when the SNES outputs perfectly adequate csync?
I'd understand for genesis, which requires that you not be a brainlet and know how to buffer a signal, but the SNES output is push-pull.

>>6418296
Where did you find the mod for it? Any write up on it?

>>6418293
Composite video sync is not inferior to c-sync as long as you're not using shitty unshielded cable, which they aren't.

>>6418303
I didn't "find" the mod anywhere.
Because I invented it.
I'll take it apart if you want a picture, but it's really not a tricky mod to do.

>>6418306
sure if you want. Would be helpful

>>6418298

I agree and the only reason I didn't get on the bandwagon and buy them. They claim they can do it without introducing the typical noise from doing so.

>The SNES/Genesis YPbPr cables do not use CSYNC. However, through the custom design of our cable and its circuitry inside we are able to extract sync from composite video without introducing noise. The two main reasons for this are (1) we are not driving a full video load, and (2) composite video is only traveling over a short distance before being terminated. -- https://www.hdretrovision.com/faq#csync

Still doesn't explain why the hell they would when they have a native signal present like you said.

>>6418298
The PAL SNES, some 1CHIP models, and many RGB-modded N64s don't output c-sync. They're just trying to maximize compatibility, and there's no particular benefit to c-sync for their purposes anyway.

>>6418308
You'll have to pull sort of hard because it's got these sort of locking tabs that hold the "daisychain" connector in.

>>6418313
From an engineering standpoint, point number 2 is okay, but the first point is fucking stupid.
Sync signals are terminated inside most sets the same way that video signals are. You are driving a 75 ohm load with sync the same as you would with a video signal.
>>6418315
Ah, that's sensible, but why the fuck use composite video instead of luma, which is completely universally available, then?

>>6418315
I do have a 1CHIP forgot what board revision it is.

what's a reasonable price to pay for component cables? I don't want to buy some cheap chinese shit but I also can't even tell what's a reasonable price and what's people being typical online gougers

>>6418318
>Ah, that's sensible, but why the fuck use composite video instead of luma, which is completely universally available, then?
Some PAL N64s don't output S-Video, nor do lots of RGB-modded SNS-101s. And once again, there's no reason not to just use composite video because they use properly shielded cable. Using luma would just reduce compatibility for no benefit.

>>6418336
Oh, and the PAL GameCube, too. No S-Video.

>>6418318
>Sync signals are terminated inside most sets the same way that video signals are. You are driving a 75 ohm load with sync the same as you would with a video signal.
Except they're not. They have to regenerate the sync signal to suit component video standards. And even if they didn't, it would only be driving a sync separator anyway.

>>6418336
>Using luma would just reduce compatibility for no benefit.

Not him but the composite source isn't as clean though right? It still has color info mixed in with it that has to be separated and removed, there has to be a drawback here, ignoring the compatibility issue like you stated.

>>6418321
ah, that reminds me, too. The 1chip-03 doesn't output csync in the US.

>>6418336
Well the N64 doesn't output RGB in any region, so the cable wouldn't work worth a shit anyway.
Shielding doesn't evade the horizontal shift from phase changes.
>>6418338
>PAL gamecube
PAL Gamecube outputs RGB and you live in a PAL territory with easy SCART; why the fuck do you want YPbPr.

>>6418308
The diagram you ordered is delivered.
>>6418345
>They have to regenerate the sync signal to suit component video standards.
LOL
The LM1881 outputs 5V TTL sync. You're full of shit.

>tfw plan on using a modded Dreamcast with HDMI for the perfect 480p signal, then converting it to a YPbPr cable and splitting the signal to both my OSSC for line doubled capture and my CRT to play the games
I am autistic.

>>6418349
You're correct.
>>6418345
Cut it out with the disinformation and cargo cult engineering, shill.

>>6418350
>The LM1881 outputs 5V TTL sync.
I don't know why you think that's relevant. Whether you use CVBS or luma as your sync source, you still have to separate the sync and re-shape it for 75 ohm video levels if you're going to put it on the output luma signal.

>>6418350
Thanks

>>6418349
Doesn't matter as long as the cable is sufficiently shielded to prevent crosstalk. All it's used for is sync.

>>6418365

This article tells a completely different story:

https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/composite-video-vs-composite-sync

>>6418365
Yes, it can matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRmiZ06x6Kg
Note the horizontal movement during the flashes when a battle starts.
That's due to the colored areas of the screen losing all color value when the screen turns pure white or pure black. This causes a phase shift, which in turn moves the pixels on the line of the screen horizontally by a fraction of the wavelength of the subcarrier relative to the length of a horizontal sync pulse.
>>6418362
>regenerate the sync signal to suit component video standards
>proceeds to use a +5VDC - 0VDC signal instead of 0.7Vp-p alternating current
You're fucking retarded.
>reshape it for 75 ohm video levels
You don't know what you're talking about. I don't even know how to begin, but the best I can say is that the 'shape' of the signal isn't what makes it able to drive a 75 ohm load, It's the current pushing the 'shape.'
0.7Vp-p signals can still not necessarily drive a 75 ohm load unless they are able to push _current_, which the SNES csync signal can, and which the luma signal can.
It's okay to just say you don't know instead of trying to make shit up when you don't have any idea what you're talking about.

This has been a PSA. Voodoo engineers GTFO.

>>6418371
(technically, the phase shift already exists and the white and black frames reset the shift until new color information comes on the screen)

>>6418371
p.p.s.
At 0:43 they switch to csync, so you can see the difference.
Watch the left border.

so if I wanted component video out of my SNES the retro vision cables would or wouldn't cause interference with the sync signal being on the composite video line

>>6418408
Yes, they would, look at the video in >>6418371 and actually read the thread.

Though if you were to mod their cable or your system you could force-feed it luma and it'd be a significant improvement.

>>6418412
I had to play that video back like 10 times to notice anything slightly off. I might be able to live with that.

>>6418416
Though note that it's not so much 'interference' as it is 'a fundamental flaw in processing sync signals that have been combined with phase modulated color information.'
You can, but I wouldn't. It's worse than that in some other games, that's just the game I found it first in. It's the sliding left and right.
Anyway, if you're on old consumer sets that already suffers from blooming, it's insubstantial. Later and higher quality sets will suffer though.

I think objectively there are worse things, but I just get pissed when people start shilling things and don't have a fucking clue what they're talking about.

>>6418418
Gonna take a step back and say "yeah, it's livable, but just don't claim it isn't a thing that fucking exists."

>>6418418
>>6418420
well for my current set up it's good enough because I'd have to switch out 2 video switches and that's honestly a pain to do. Not to mention the cost.

>>6418371
This causes a phase shift, which in turn moves the pixels on the line of the screen horizontally by a fraction of the wavelength of the subcarrier relative to the length of a horizontal sync pulse.
The horizontal sync pulse does not change phase based on what the subcarrier is doing. It's entirely possible that your PVM has syncing issues with composite video, but an LM1881 does not.

>proceeds to use a +5VDC - 0VDC signal instead of 0.7Vp-p alternating current
I can't believe I'm having to explain this, but you can put a 470 ohm resistor on the output of your LM1881 and pass it through a coupling capacitor to form a voltage divider with the termination resistor and get you your ~0.7 Vp-p AC-coupled c-sync signal. I'm not even sure why we're talking about the LM1881 specifically, but you brought it up so I'll humor you.

>reshape it for 75 ohm video levels
You don't know what you're talking about. I don't even know how to begin, but the best I can say is that the 'shape' of the signal isn't what makes it able to drive a 75 ohm load, It's the current pushing the 'shape.'
The shape of the signal does matter if you're interested in following specifications and not pumping 5V into a device not designed to handle it. Yes, current matters as well, but an LM1881 is quite capable of driving a 75 ohm load.

>>6418441
It does on a snes, watch the fucking video, you absolute tard.
>shape is the same as amplitude
I'm done here, you're not worth the trouble. The SNES is _ALSO_ capable of driving a 75 ohm load and has the exact same """shape""" of output as an 1881. So why not just use the fucking csync signal directly instead of using some contrived and error-prone method to source the same 5V signal?
Hint: it's so they can use the exact same circuit as a "drop in" replacement on other consoles; aka NOT for the reasons they claimed. They're lying and you're deep-throating the lie.

>>6418441
also, you're ignoring where you clearly implied that "driving a 75 ohm load" required a signal to be shaped a certain way. Show me where current shows up in the shape of a signal on an oscilloscope. I'll be waiting. 75 ohms is a measure of current, not of voltage.

>>6418472
(technically resistance, but for our purposes, current required to drive a load of that resistance/impedance)

Is there an average age of how long CRT displays will last and if they suffer from brightness loss like LCD do as they age? I assume the tubes will be the things that give out and won't be replaceable when it happens, but has anyone actually seen it in the wild?

>>6418470
>It does on a snes
No, it does not. Check it on a scope. Your PVM's problem is caused by something else.
>So why not just use the fucking csync signal directly instead of using some contrived and error-prone method to source the same 5V signal?
Because that c-sync signal does not exist in several of the consoles they want to support. We've been over this.
>>6418472
No, what I said was it needs to be shaped for 75 ohm video levels, e.g. 0.3-1.0 Vp-p with a 75 ohm terminating resistor. You're just lashing out and going off on irrelevant tangents because you can't handle your misinformation getting called out.

What's funny about this exchange is I've never even bought an HD Retrovision product. My setup is all RGB.

>>6415824
I don’t have any experience with these mini consoles so I don’t know their display options, but does he have wood grain borders turned on to pad a 4:3 image out to 16:9, only to squish the whole thing back to 4:3 with presumably some sort of an HDMI to composite adapter? Which then needed to be converted to RF for his shitbox 70’s teen bedroom tv? Jesus Christ.

>>6418512
It happens. Obviously I can only speak on personal experience, but they seem to last 20+ years depending on the brand. You'll come across issues eventually no doubt. If you're looking for a specific brand, Sony is very reliable and keeping it under 30" will probably be a safer bet on the tubes longevity.

>>6417434
>Scanlines are an artifact
Are you seriously retarded? It's part of the tv screen. Hipsters should just lay low and enjoy the tvs, not try and pretend they grew up with them.

Lacie electron 22 blue IV, my main monitor for computer use and melee.

Toshiba 26hf84, HDCRT used for movies and PS4 (although HDMI port doesn't work anymore).

Some Sears TV from 1976, use it for Atari games.

>>6419136
>my main monitor for computer use
Better not be wasting that by using a really good monitor for useless shit like browsing the web.

>>6419032
Its not really part of the tv screen but it is just the way it looks sending that amount of video information at that scan rate. Anyone who complains about blank lines can go play some shitty linedoubled version on ps2 or w/e I guess if thats what they think was the "intended" look

>>6419032
>>6419258

Pretty much this. You can lust over scanlines all you like. Engineers despised them back in the day and considered them a defect. They did everything they could to minimize them.

>>6419270
Im not sure im saying what you think I am, if a game runs at 240p and thus has visible blank lines, that's how it should look and it always makes it shittier to fill in the blank lines, even if you're doing it at 480p it wont flicker but it will still look like soulless blocky emulator graphics

I got a CRT for free to play old games, but I don't have any gaming hardware other than a laptop. Then I saw this HDMI2AV converter on Amazon. Could this converter work with Retroarch at a 240p output? Will it look good or will it just come out blurry and squished?

>>6419348
The games were designed to look good on average consumer-grade TVs, not high-TVL multiformat professional monitors. This is what scanlines should actually look like. Subtle and unobtrusive. Not the darkened, heavily delineated look of meme monitors that weren't designed for displaying 240p.

>>6419451
negative, it will be 480i composite output, which will probably look pretty shit. your options for emulating on a CRT, with the equipment you have available to you, if 240p is important to you.. i'm not even sure what you could do to get your laptop to spit out that resolution but it will probably be cumbersome or involve getting some more expensive hardware i'd guess. the sweet spot of cheap-dirty-effective is to just find a wii for cheap and do it that way. if your tv has component inputs that will be even better.

>>6419451

Should work. Be sure to set your output resolution on the laptop to the proper aspect ratio.

>There are people on this board who actually defend the freshly plowed field of professional monitor for retrogaming and thinks a Trintron looks like shit.

Found this 27' trinitron for free, is it good?

>>6419554

Model # ?

>>6419557
Dunno, don't have it. It's a 27' trinitron

>>6419562
>It's a 27' trinitron

Not all Trinis are equal. Does it have S-Video and/or component jacks? If simple composite looks "good" to you then you answered your own question. It will be comparable to most TV's in its price range.

Where do you guys go to buy parts to fix a crt?

>>6419554
You in Bongland? If it's an LS series it's a top tier set, one of the best.

>>6419724

Digikey or Mouser pretty much has the market cornered on pricing and availability of quality components.

>>6419554
no, send it to me posthaste for recycling

Is this 32” Toshiba worth $100? It takes composite, S-video, and component 1080i. 32Z5P model.

>>6420028
>1080i
No.

>>6420038
it's not even that it's 1080i, it's old fucking junk they want you to pay to carry away for them. Fuck that

neighbors put this out yesterday. I brought it over to my driveway and tested it out and seems to work. its in need of some serious cleaning and it weighs 200+lbs which is really putting me off from it.

Current CRT is a 14" Toshiba 14AF43 which is fantastic for myself, but kinda small when playing with friends

>>6420089
Scored a mint 2008 production 36 inch trinitron on craigslist. Looks so fucking good i use it with svideo on my winxp gaming pc. Best crt ive ever seen.

>>6420089

Take the plastic bezel and case off and hose it down with soap and water. Blow out the internals with compressed air.

>>6420089
>weighs 200+lbs

Cost of being the CRT master race. Pick a spot for a permanent location, get a buddy, you only gotta move it once.

>>6420135
exactly why I left it in the driveway. No way it was coming into the house without getting cleaned and checked for roaches and what not.


fucked around with it a little more and I noticed when there's a solid black image on the screen there's some distortion in the picture. looks like static and some moving lines. only noticed it during some black load screens, but I am testing it outside in the sun so I'm sure it'd be more noticeable once brought inside. I think I'm just gonna return it to the curb.

Is there anywhere I can find out about a CRT's resolution and framerate and stuff before I get it? I never wanna get something less than 480p 60hZ or something known for like poor component quality

>>6420267
unironically lurk moar

>>6420267

>Get model number
>Google
>CNET page

I paid $200 for a CRT, ama

>>6420365
Why not pay $200 for an automatic switch

>>6420493
Why would I pay for that?

>>6420217
Does it look like faint static fuzz going slowly down the screen? All 3 trinis I've found did something like that, so I think it's a common artifact.

Hey anons, I picked up a CRT for free and got a converter to run it through an HDMI but it just displays grayscale when I turn it on. It's the Quasar VV-2009, so I'm a bit confused because it displays blue and colors as long as I'm not trying to view the video itself through either channel 03 or the line option. What the fuck is going on?

Hey /crt/ - I’m interested in picking up this set on marketplace. Of course they do not know the serial and will not move it to check, what can you guys tell me about this model? I need a good CRT for PS1/2 light fun setup

>>6420589
Sorry- model number. My bad

>>6420589
Looks like an early 90s 32" XBR. Their prosumer model, but this is a console model which is kind of neat. It's going to be a bitch to move and you're gonna want a way to transport it vertically. Looking it up I found a variant with a wooden console instead, but appears to be the same model. No model number I could find or inputs, but I imagine rf, composite, s-vid.

>>6420593
may have found it after enough bumping around, looks like a 32xbr70.

>>6420103
Care to share any pics? I curious to see what it looks like

>>6415171
I might be a dumbass, but where do these borders come from? Are they on the game cartridges already with Super Game Boy in mind?

How bad are projection TVs really? I know they're supposed to be shit, but how shit? Are there scanlines? Are they worse than HD CRTs?

>>6420103
Pics.

>>6417352
There should be an adjustment for your screen on the back.

>>6417253
Just get a pair of Edifiers and skip the internal sound entirely

>>6420642
They’re coded into the Super GameBoy. They released a Super GameBoy 2 layer to add more game support.

>>6420665
Rear projection TVs? I had one when I was a poor college student. They’re shitty compared to CRTs, don’t do well in bright rooms, and have a softer look to them, but they’re not BAD, I kinda have a soft spot for them. No scanlines. I assume HD CRTs will be much better, these are basically a small HD CRT screen projected through a lens to magnify onto the back of a film that you watch.

>>6420589
That thing's gonna be a cocksucker and a half to move, I hope you have friends

>>6420267
CNET is a piece of shit most of the time, but their product/spec pages for old electronics are a goldmine for researching this kind of thing

>>6420610
Thanks anon. Gonna have to get a good look at the situation, apparently it’s up some stairs and as she described over 200 lbs

>>6420915
I'd pass if I were you.

>find the perfect set online

>Listed 20 weeks ago
>no response

fucking delist the thing if you've already sold it you cocksucking shitstains

Found a crt on the side of the road and it was everything I've looking for, except it's got a flat screen so there's minor distortion, do you guys know how to mitigate that issue? I'm in love with this thing and that's the only thing that pisses me off.

>>6421050
>minor distortion

Let's see the crosshatch on the 240p test suite

>>6420589
Wow, never seen one of those before. It looks simultaneously awesome and completely not worth it. The thing is, if you're going to get a boat anchor CRT, it's probably a smarter idea in the long run to get one that's not coming up on 30 years old, that's gonna have better inputs, etcetc. This thing is going to be a massive pain in the ass and if you just hold out for something like a 32 D series or find a good wega or something they'll still be a pain in the ass at times but they'll look better and have more life left in them. IMO

>>6420589
Goddamn, what a behemoth

>>6420589
Oh hey, my grandparents had one of those for years and years. They're great sets as far as normie trinitrons go.
I still prefer tri-dot, but that's seriously one of the best sets you could ask for. Non-flat, good quality. Huge though, unfortunately.
>>6420493
You're funny, anon.
>>6419554
>27'
Whoa, a twenty seven foot trinitron?
But really, meh, it's ok I guess.
>>6420642
They're in the game pak. They automagically show up when playing in the super game boy.
The best way to play red & blue (non-rom hacked versions) is via super game boy 2 (or clock-modded SGB1) with colors. The Pokémon games have minor SGB enhancements.
>>6420904
>they're coded into the super gameboy.
No, they aren't. The defaults are, but game-specific borders are stored in the game rom's themselves.

>>6421050
Unless it's absolutely fucked you will probably only ever notice while staring at the test suite. Stop caring about that shit and go enjoy your free TV

>>6421241
>They're great sets as far as normie trinitrons go.

If I recall they have killer factory sound too.

>>6420038
>>6420060
The fuck is wrong with 1080i?

>>6421449

HD-CRTV gets a bad rap for scaling and input-lag.

Bit of a question but I am looking at maybe getting involved in maybe switching over to scart cables. Do they carry S-video?

Yes I know they can do RGB which is the point of it but I am looking to maybe slowly switch over over time.

How would one get composite, S-video, and component out of say a Scart switcher? Reason I want to keep these lesser formats is just to keep compatibility for the time beaning

>>6421453
How much input lag are we talking here? I own a HDCRT-Wega and have done a lag test through 240p test suite program. There was virtually none if any at all. Unless this is not a correct way of testing this sort of thing.

>>6421461
>How much input lag are we talking here?

Honestly anon, I have no idea. It's all /vr/ ever talks about. I'll never own one but would like to see one in person one day, might change my mind. Especially a late model WEGA.

>>6421449
>The fuck is wrong with 1080i?
>Interlaced Video: Video sources that are listed with the letter i are called interlaced. An example of this would be 480i or 1080i. ... Progressive scan video content displays both the even and odd scan lines (the entire video frame) on the TV at the same time. This means you will avoid the problem of motion artifacts

>>6421453
>CRTV
wtf is this? Don't tell me this is a new thing being pushed. CRT TV. There, I feel better.

>>6421471
>all /vr/ ever talks about
Yeah I've noticed the trend. Oh well, they cannot change my mind. I hope you're able to see one in person, at least a good model, to show how remarkable they can be.

>>6421461
If you're talking about the "manual lag test" then it's meaningless. I've seen numbers in the 8-25 ms range for HD CRTs, which honestly isn't horrible and is in line with modern LCD TVs, but the bigger problem is they universally treat 240p as 480i and attempt to deinterlace it, spoiling the image quality. At that point you've lost most of the benefits of using a CRT, at least when it comes to 240p content.

>>6421449
Honestly nothing. I never had a problem with it for years when I had my Tau. I just think it's bullshit that someone wants to charge somebody else 200 bucks for removing what they clearly think is garbage

>>6415187
by the way I want to have sex with pikachu,, just sayin'

>>6421459

A bit of a follow up to this.

Wondering if this set up would work. I can't seem to find an adapter that has all 3 connectors but there is a pass though one it seems.

Also wondering what Scart switch is best

>>6421497
Ah okay, so if I mainly use it for Wii, Gamecube, PS2 through component then I shouldn't have any issue?

anyone know where to snag one of these? I need it for reasons

>>6419451

That thing can only do 480i out, no 240p

>>6420028
why the fuck is that picture so strangely smeared?

Tim Worthington is making a simple 4in2out scart switch. All I need is two outputs, one for my pvm and another that runs to OSSC and capture card. It seems like there is no low end market for more than one scart output in a switcher. All of the ones that do exist seem to darken the image or add noise.

>>6421548
Bandridge make the best scart switcher that isn't stupid money.

>>6415178
>wojak + greentext
Your opinion is at the absolute bottom of the entire site. Even below /pol/.

>>6421526
Umm based?

>>6421453
>>6421481
>Cathode-Ray Tube Vision

>>6421996
>It seems like there is no low end market for more than one scart output in a switcher.
why would there be a low-end-market for a ""pro""-feature?

>>6422031
>Bandridge make the best scart switcher that isn't stupid money.
lolol, checked the prices they sell for these days?

>>6422773
Not him but is it really a bad thing to have cheaper options on the market that perform relatively well?

Seems like it wouldn't be

Take me back

>>6422775
Bloody hell. I got mine for £15 each in 2013.

>>6423471
>>6422775
Nah he's talking out his arse, literally still £15.

>>6422773
It's not even a "pro" feature. All I need is a simple 1in2out splitter. There are a few floating around that you can get for under 30 bucks, but they are terrible with no attention given to them. What I'm saying is that I'm surprised that nobody has made a low-end solution for more than one output. Sure, a gscart would be nice but they are overpriced in parts and I would get hit with too much on shipping, currency exchange, taxes etc.
It's still a ridiculous solution that's far to expensive. And I already have a 6 input bandridge switcher that works perfectly, and it didn't cost me an arm and a leg.

>>6415171
I've posted it before but here's my shitty rca on my kids movietime vcr.
There's an SNES hooked up to it that I might replace with a Dreamcast.

>>6415171
>>6415171
I fucking miss my 29' Phillips Panavision CRT, it sounds so amazing, never heard a consumer TV make such beautiful bass before, clean as fuck... but because it's in another house and the quarentine, I can't bring it to my home.
I'm stuck with a shitty sony led, everything looks like a bright pixelated mess.

>>6423829
To be fair that's the inferior version, but I'm sure the signal it passes through is still good.

>>6421845
They explained in the description, they blurred the reflection for privacy because Japan. I’m still on the fence about getting it. I have a 25” SD late-model Trinitron (2006), so I’d probably use this mostly for movies.

Got the biggest TV that can possibly fit in this entertainment cabinet

>>6423386
I want to be here. I don't want to live in this shitty time anymore.

>>6424127
based tate.
>>6424165
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcmylxQ0ma4
I agree with you but you still need to stop bitching.

>>6419472
>>6419482
>>6421790
thanks for the advice

I asked my self "why not just put my capture card inside of my a/v switch?" and thus was born the "El Chapo"

>>6424315

>>6424324

>>6424330

>>6424324
>>6424330
Disgusting. Sand it down and polish the fucker, faggot.

>>6424347
no, the hot glue gives it character! lol
I will when i hard wire the usb cord to the board, when i have more time.

Whats your guys opinions on the YPbPr from retrogamingcables?

Worse, the same or better then HD retrovision?

>>6424359
Sounds good, I've Frankenstein'd shit before. Other than that, pretty good.

>>6424362
Better because you can actually buy them, at least sometimes. They don't use 75 Ohm rated cabling, but at short lengths it's not a big deal. The transcoder circuit itself is copied from a Linear Technology app note, so it's fine.

>>6424379
Any problem with Sync? People where saying the HD retro vision had some noise bleeding.

>>6424382
Like the HD Retrovision cables, they use individually shielded conductors, so there's no significant crosstalk. The guy bullshitting about sync earlier is an idiot.

>>6424369
yeah thanks, I've done commission work and i take a much more cautions approach with that then i do when i make things for personal use, it being nice to look at isn't a high point for me i lean more towards the if it works but it is ugly it still works ideal. this is a gba-sp i shoved into a dmg shell for a customer a ways back.

>>6424315
pretty ugly, but also pretty neat.
Also I have a sync separator in a gored up altoids tin so I can't criticize that.
>>6424392
>That guy's an idiot.
No u.
--EE, 32 years in field (if counting my TV repair jobs in the 80s prior to getting my degree).

>>6424449
I always marvel at how small the Famicom is compared to the US NES-001 or the SNES/SFC.
I've never seen a PC Engine in person, and I know it's smaller than the Famicom, but it's still impressive to think it has the same footprint as a Wii (pretty much _exactly_ the same depth, and just a teeny bit narrower).

>>6424431
>-EE, 32 years in field

Any preventive maintenance tips on making my late model Trini last as long as possible? I know new caps are inevitable but I've read improper brightness can shorten the life of a tube over time.

>>6424392
>The guy bullshitting about sync earlier is an idiot.

They aren't working miracles kid. For the sake of compatibility and profits, they are pulling Sync from filthy composite.

It is inevitable the video quality will take a hit as a result.

>>6424580
>It is inevitable the video quality will take a hit as a result.
Incorrect. All the complaints about image quality issues with sync on composite video come from people using shitty unshielded cables. If the shielding is adequate, there's no problem.

>>6415287
>>trinitron bad
>>PVM bad
enlighten us, what should people use for gaming?

>>6424431
Any solutions to awful convergence and geometry in flat Trinitrons? I've gotten like 5 already and every single one of them has the image twist, shrink or something similar depending of the amount of whites on the screen.

>>6424595
>If the shielding is adequate, there's no problem.

Shill detected.

>>6424683
>image twist, shrink or something similar depending of the amount of whites on the screen.

That was due to the lack of a high voltage regulator typically only found in PVM's. Sony threw them in the FV310 series shortly before they stopped making them and it fixed the problem.

Hard to find them though, limited production run and they were expensive so they are extremely rare.

>>6424694
I'm fucked, then? Those are the only sets with both S-video and component I'm able to find in my shithole country, and PVMs are already at meme prices as well.

>>6424689
A shill for what, shielded cables? Don't be retarded.

>>6424704
>I'm fucked, then?

Not really, I notice it sometimes on my FV300 although it was reduced over prior revisions. If it bothers you to the point of disrupting your gameplay, then PVMs would be the way to go.

>>6424708

You could wrap them in lead and it wouldn't change the fact that the Sync signals have to be stripped from the Composite garbage riding with them.

You're either an idiot or a shill. Or a mixture of the two.

>>6424713
If it bothers you to the point of disrupting your gameplay, then it's time to reevaluate your priories.

>>6424714
If the cables are shielded, none of that "composite garbage" matters. The sync is going to get separated out regardless. I've actually done direct capture comparisons, and with good cables, it makes no difference to image quality where the sync comes from. With shit Chinese cables, yes, it matters.

>>6424727
>If the cables are shielded, none of that "composite garbage" matters

Shielded cables were used to compare plenty of times like pic related.

>>6424734
Your YouTube heroes misled you. Those cables were not properly shielded. Probably either an eBay special or an old RGC cable from before they switched to the individually-shielded Packapunch cabling. I have a couple of those and they're shit.

>>6424739

>Coping this hard

>>6424746
>zooming this hard

>>6424758

Provides no evidence other than goal-post shifting.

>>6424759
What evidence do you want? I could take some captures with an well-shielded RGB cable with sync on composite compared to one with c-sync, but they'd just look the same.

>>6424769

>Grasping le straws and goal-posts now

>>6424739
I experience that using my very own cables, basically any given cable in my house, w/ standard video connectors added to the backs of systems so I don't have to worry about the crap cable argument.
>>6424680
Shadow mask RGB monitors.
Also, reminder that PVM's are specifically a subclass of Trinitron. Not a catch-all term for RGB monitors.
Also, trinitrons are not inherently bad, just the higher end ones aren't the best for 240p unless you like seeing the world through a comb (not a comb filter, a literal comb's teeth). not everyone likes that look for old games. Myself included.
>>6424683
Any solutions to awful convergence and geometry in flat Trinitrons? I've gotten like 5 already
Yeah; stop getting flat screen trinitrons. The curved ones are better.
>>6424565
>Any preventive maintenance tips on making my late model Trini last as long as possible?
Pretty much nothing you don't already know; keep the contrast low, and replace capacitors.
Also keep it away from magnets and don't leave it on when not in use, obviously.
Try to avoid CRT rejuvinators, except as a last resort to get a few more months (max) out of the tube. They might make it look better at first but it'll likely just end up making it degrade faster.
>>6424689
IDK if he's a shill or if he's just found something easy to latch onto because his too big for his britches and unwilling to accept that he's just wrong here. Easy to find a simple but wrong solution, latch onto it, and beat the dead horse until people realize no amount of arguing will persuade them to use critical thinking skills.
Analogue signals are a lot more complex than just "Are you shielded? OK then." He's an armchair engineer.
>>6424704
>I need a trinitron or a PVM
Just stop fixating on getting a Sony®; there are lots of good screens out there, and not all of them are made by Sony.
You might just have to be patient. You might get lucky if you network. People with old amigas they don't care abut still exist.

>>6424925
BTW the blur in that pic is from the matte finish; it's an old NEC multisync PC monitor.

>>6424926
(one that syncs to 15.6KHz though; not shaders on an emulator. Using a sync separator IC.)

>>6424580
that chart isn't 100% accurate BTW; part of the reason why composite video is a thing is that red/green/blue color information (chroma) can encoded in such a way that saves a lot bandwidth during transmission at the cost of lower color resolution.
It's actually converted into the YIQ colorspace (YUV in PAL, if I remember correctly, but I live in burgerland and always worked in YIQ which is similar but not identical).
So saying that R/G/B info are all on the composite video line is kind of inaccurate; it's a lower resolution signal than the original and it also is in a non-RGB colorspace.
S-Video is technically capable of reproducing RGB exactly at the resolutions old consoles output, but no real-world encoder/decoder pairings do it perfectly. They can get extremely close with a good encoder, though. I notice the most differences in dark reds and dark blues typically. YIQ tends to prioritize green chromaticity, which was by design since it's the color the human eye is most sensitive to (greens are less impacted by losses in S-video).

>>6424942
(the conclusions drawn, however, are accurate)

Also one thing I've found is that a major source of interference isn't between the cable and its surroundings but rather between the signal and the ground wires _inside_ the cables. The color burst information can inductively influence the ground wire, and thus cause that interference pattern as the ground is shared between the red/green/blue lines and the sync line.

>>6424965
Like a ground loop inside the cable?

>>6425048
Not _really_; just the ground line picks up some of the subcarrier waveform through induction. That's what causes the diagonal lines; it's a classic form of 'dot crawl.'

>>6415171
Jesus Christ that looks horrible

>>6425070
some people just hate their eyes

>>6419146
How are you hooking up the ps4 to the hdcrt without hdmi? I guess this is more than a coincidence since I hear it frequently, but my HDMI stopped working one day out of the blue.

>>6425070
Okay. >>6417821 is the same set.
And so is this.
>>6425074
IDK, I prefer my RGB sets but it's not bad.

>>6425174
that looks much better, maybe it was just the camera/content that made it look bad
i admit crts are very hard to photograph, and photos never do them justice

>>6425182
The Apple is particularly hard to photograph because it's my only slot mask and I'm used to taking photos of much, much finer-pitch tri-dot and AG screens.
It's also probably using ultra-bright consumer phosphors, and it's generally harder to adjust generally.
That photo was a composite of two exposures I took because I was having a hard time getting it all right.

Parents are planning to throw this TV out but I wanted to double check whether it's good for retro gaming

It's a Philips Matchline 32PW9617, I think it's a CRT (it's big at the back like a CRT anyway) but the screen is flat, all the CRTs I see in these threads are kind of round looking/ have bulbous screens. Is this thing worth keeping?

>>6425687
Forgot pic

>>6425687
>>6425691
It's 100hz so it's very possibly not any good, but it may well still display 240p properly and Philips made darn good tubes. Would probably be very good for 480i but you'd have to test it.

Where the fuck do I find PC monitors other than ebay? The goodwills around me don't carry CRT's at all anymore and craigslist in my area has fuck all

>>6425839
>PC monitors

They were much easier to dispose of when the LCD lords sent them to the camps during the holocaust.

Have this.
What Do!?

>>6425908
Make it into a mini arcade machine

>>6423829
>automatic
>3-port
what's the point?
check the prices for the 5-port versions, tho

>>6425908
why did you buy it if you don't know what to do with it?

>>6426083
for likes, upvotes, gold, retweets and shares, obviously.

>>6426098
Don't forget (you)s

>>6425716
Does the refresh rate matter that much? Wouldn't most older games only take advantage of like 60?

>>6426153
oh honey

I know HDCRTs are reviled for input lag and upscaling issues when playing 240p games. What I’m wondering, is the display QUALITY going to look as good as an SDCRT? I have an Analogue console and their DAC, so I can send a 480p signal and don’t need to worry about upscaling, but I DO want a CRT to handle the phosphor glow pixel-blurring that CRTs added, and I think an HDCRT will make it look more like pixel art on an LCD display. Is that right or wrong?

>>6426153
Holy fuck is this bait?

>>6426885
Haven’t seen anyone talk about the Analogue DAC around here yet. How is video quality different between component, S-video, and composite?

>>6426153
Since everyone is going to be a dick as usual, I'll explain.
100Hz is essentially a method for motion interpolation that's designed to reduce flicker. This makes motion actually look worse and is an example of post-processing of the image. Often, TVs that use this will also upscale the image to 480i as well before applying this. These can both lead to lag as well as a soft, blurry image.
Neither are of particular concern when running 480i games though, so they tend to look good anyway. The TV may or may not 'upscale' the image and it may look fine anyway, you'd have to test it. Also, in future people will be nicer if you state how much you know, what you want to know etc.

>falls for a meme
>uses mono audio
ISHYGDDT

I am never going to find a decent CRT in my area

I'm tempted to settle for some mediocre piece of junk with S-video input. are there any brands to especially avoid?

>>6427048
S video is 99% as good as RGB. Any CRT is an improvement over a flat panel.

>>6427048
What sites are you using to search, if I may ask, anon? If you're getting it for more than just 240p/480i gayman, honestly I'd just hold out for a good CRT with component inputs, and also get yourself an RGB to Component transcoder.
That being said I don't know what area you're in, so sadly idk how hard it really is to find CRTs near you, but I'm sure it's not all doom and gloom.

>>6427180
Disregard this faggot. You don’t need any of that meme shit.

>>6427043
the one in the pic there doesn't do audio at all in RGB mode ;^)

>>6424405
>backlight makes gbc games look like an over saturated mess
does anyone know a fix for this?

>>6427380
Lower the brightness

>>6427410
doesn't really solve the problem, I like the backlight but colours are completely off

>>6427272
>NO shut up you're a stupid cringe naynay baby for wanting good quality video, only my preferences are correct!!!
This is why people hate this general.

>>6427452
Play on original unmodded hardware or stop bitching.

>>6415171
Whats the best option to connect a PC to a CRT TV that only has composite and component? I want to play arcade game emulators on my CRT.

>>6427686
seems silly to react that way about something doesn't affect you
if there's a problem of course there's going to be grievances. asking for solutions shouldn't be chided and is completely counter productive

Is it worth keeping any of the consumer grade trinitrons? I can very easily get 2 24" models for free, but there's no sense in keeping them if it's not worth it.

>>6427814
Real answer? No.
/vr/ answer? Yes! Then save up and upgrade to a Sony PVM

>>6427919
Shut the fuck up

I feel like a fucking brainlet. How do I connect my computer to a 480i Trinitron so I can watch movies?

>>6426968
Thanks that's good info

>>6427969

>>6415178
I have seen you somewhere...

>>6427180
>What sites are you using to search, if I may ask, anon?
craigslist, which is a complete ghost town, and facebook marketplace, which is pretty much a ghost town. everything is dirty, overpriced, extremely low-quality, or all 3. I live in american suburbia.

>>6428207
I have this, it just makes a flickering wavy image on my screen

>>6417886
Nah, I was just testing netflix through a 360.

The factory I work at is junking two CRTs with very low use on them. Just wanted to check in if they were worth taking or if they should go off to the junkyard.

>First is a Sony Trinitron consumer set, the KV-32S26. It has S-Video and Composite inputs. It’s a monster
>Second is an Apex set, an AT 2708. It has an S-Video input as well as two video inputs and one output. Not sure what kind of input it’s just Off Yellow and White, not the conventional Yellow White and Red

Sorry if i’m asking retarded questions.

>>6429643
>junking two CRTs with very low use on them. Just wanted to check in if they were worth taking
if it has low tube time I'd take it even if it's not that good regardless, you can replace everything else if it breaks down overtime except a tube.

>>6428514
Are you sending it a 480i signal?

>>6429993
How do I send a 480i signal from my computer?

>>6428315
Don't you dare compare the little Gamepro dude to that fucking garbage

>>6429643
apex is meh-grade. If you're ok with the size, get the trinitron. Otherwise the apex isn't _bad_.

Any reason not to get an HD CRT if I don’t have any 240p systems?

This isn’t really a CRT question but I have a retarded idea. Is there any kind of film I could put over my OLED TV to recreate the phosphor glow dispersion effect that CRTs have?

>>6430742
You’re right, that was retarded.

>>6426885
No
>>6426925
>fell for the Analogue meme
No one else here is stupid enough to fall for it; that's why you haven't heard discussion.
>>6427043
You use external speakers, you dumb fuck
>>6427048
Don't lose hope. And S-Video is fine.
Avoid late 90s magnavox/philips. Earlier ones are ok.
>>6427380
Not using a -101 SP LCD. Using a frontlight on a reflective screen.
>>6427689
a VGA -> component converter.
>>6427814
Yes, but don't pay much for one. They're just a TV.
>>6430716
Because a plasma is objectively better in every way.

>>6430716
Other than that they weigh 200lbs, take up a lot of space, are becoming antiquated re: resolution capability and inputs esp HDMI-less ones, don't have as many people looking to take it off your hands when you decide you don't want it anymore, and you could get a really nice late model panasonic plasma or w/e for peanuts these days if one comes up, that will be better for everything you'd want an HD display for, no, pretty much no reason not to send a message about that 15 year old boat anchor you saw on facebook marketplace

>>6430939
>the Analogue meme
what’s a meme about it? they make solid products. just sounds like poorcope to be contrarian about it.

>>6430716
>HD CRT

6th gen gaming they are good, otherwise get you a solid 4:3.