/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[5-7] You can now create bots in Zandronum
https://zandronum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9941

[5-7] More new content for Barely Breathing shown off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehxd0pnUV0Q

[5-6] Live Though Doom updated, added crafting and weapon replacements
https://www.moddb.com/mods/litdoom-survival-gameplay

[5-6] Anon shares a new map, Bridge World
https://www.mediafire.com/file/9ez7nhad20x794e/bridge_world_20200605.wad/file

[5-6] New version of Nobody Told me About ID, a Doom mod inspired by Build Engine games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LzLpxuNwfU&feature=emb_title

[5-5] New update for Barely Breathing, a horror-themed mod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9wZq4Eglas

[5-4] Doom mod that lets you deform any Doom map
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1icgXmbBR_k

[5-2] Anon shares his newfag-friendly pack of Doom mods
>>6391483

[5-2] ZCode, a language intended to replace Decorate (?)
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/114119-the-zdcode-booth/

[5-2] "ClusterBloom is a compendium of rare maps with the craziest ideas you'll see in your whole life"
https://www.moddb.com/mods/clusterbloom/downloads/clusterbloom-ver1-667?fbclid=IwAR3-cvF7li4clqcfaG4501TJOKoXLrmPGjuT7QnW_1dJz-66sFhJfx8mii0

[5-1] Austerity v3.0 RC1
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=68428&p=1149505#p1149505

[5-1] DBP23: Evil Egypt released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/114095-dbp23-evil-egypt/

[4-28] Anon shares a map, Sundered Citadel
https://mega.nz/file/ZnYiHKBa#6ZWeaLgeplVO6PgCGmsPOL8_HyV1sSEETi8uCfb_VNo

[4-28] A new YouTube channel about mapping in Trenchbroom
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMkmAYBVLAC9jGIUD4LjacA

[4-28] Further work on a Doom port/remake on the Amiga 500
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvRxpxVRdEg

[4-28] More Quake Champions rips, guns
https://knockout.chat/thread/9182

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Phew, almost felt naked for a moment there.

Plutonia?

More like, Pootonia! Ha!

>>6411683
Thanks, I was halfway through trying to make a new news post and failing to be efficient, I refreshed out of curiosity and this was here.
Kudos to you and whoever else does the new threads and update stuff regularly, I'd certainly crack under pressure

PLEASE never take that long to make a new thread again

Never felt so lost and scared in my life before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlqofsQores

Playthrough video of Map12 of 100 minutes of /vr/ is up. Only one level left, then the videos of 200 minutes of /vr/ will start.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK-JUe_O5LY

>>6411709
doggo wife

>>6411683
>>6411694
How come we didn't get this on the News?
>>6407614

I saw someone mention Blood's MIDI soundtrack in the previous thread, and it got me thinking, does anyone actually hate the CD version of the music? The MIDIs are vastly superior imo, but the CD music not bad either, even if Unholy Voices' CD version takes forever to get into the main melody.

>>6411856
The biggest criticism I've seen is that it's more ambient than an actual soundtrack, like Quake
I think it adds to the atmosphere and plays in nicely with the B movie horror

Levels which make extensive use of hurt floors that you're required to pass over are shit. Even if they provide ample radiation suits.

>>6411878
Hard disagree. Using hurt floors as pseudo-keys is a cool concept.

>>6411881
They're fine if used sparingly. If they're a central component of your level, like in e4m6 for instance, they're bad.

What did you guys think of Maskim Xul?

I like the concept of a Lovecraftian WAD, but I must admit I may be getting filtered hard here. I can't seem to figure out where to go in MAP02. Haven't even found any enemies yet.

>>6411856
CD has https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbUw7ehGYK8 and a more theatrical version of Infuscomus, which I like but feel that most of the other tracks get repetitive to hear over and over again compared to the MIDI soundtrack. I ended up experimenting with soundfonts via BuildGDX to spice things up and I find Timbres of Heaven fits really well with a majority of the tracks in-game, as well as the custom music pack for Death Wish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy8mR3Pf0Zk

>>6411878
>Even if they provide ample radiation suits.
Lost me here. I'd understand if there was no protection at all, as that's basically forcing the player to get damaged, which can be a run killer if your hp is low enough. But If there's plenty of radsuits, then it's probably less a case of forced damage, and more a case of them using damage floors as a form of gating the player.

>>6411905
Plenty of maps provide radiation suits, but provide them in a way which means you're going to be more or less forced to take damage anyway. Again, see e4m6.

>>6411898
Nevermind, I just found the first enemies.
Phew. for a second I thought I would do even worse at videogames than Icarus and I got scared.

>>6411878
I don’t really like any of the powerups in general mainly because it becomes very hard to see anything. The only one that doesn’t heavily tint the screen a different color is the blursphere, and it’s only good against zombies.

>>6411908
E4M6 barely forces it, though.

>>6411667
Play Quake 3 Arena. CROM FFA server is very active. I am still shit but see myself getting better everyday. How the fuck did people play on 56k???

>>6411908
I thought you meant forced into significant damage, not simply getting damaged at all, when you said "extensive use".

Would you consider Going Down to be a slaughterwad?

>>6411878
The real cool shit is when levels use hurt floors to make the player hurry the fuck up. If you place hurt floors correctly where there's a long stretch with no enemies, then an are withe enemies, and another stretch, then the player needs to go fast to avoid damage. I'm okay with that kind of design.

>>6411960
No idea, just got on that server after only ever doing single-player and got creamed. Still not sure if my internet was bad or if I just suck that much.

>>6412179
>or if I just suck that much
Probably this, but that's perfectly okay. Everybody starts like that in arena shooters.

>>6412179
Not sure what the average skill level of the people who play on the crom vq3 servers is, but what you have to keep in mind is that, for most of the Quake communities at least, the playerbase is full of people who have been playing Quake for years, and Quake tends to be a very high skill ceiling game. You kind of have to expect to be shit for your first while.

https://twitter.com/BrutalDoomGuy/status/1258799410345115648


Mark is actually good at sprite work

>>6412190
>>6412194
I still had fun. For some reason, when I get my butt handed to me in deathmatch I can't get mad, I was just happy to get a handful of frags. Chat spam was tiresome, though.

>>6412229
Huh, I'll be damned, in the comments it says he did this in Blender. If this really is his handiwork. That's pretty solid.

>>6412229
Eh, just looks a jankily-animated model. That revenant sprite posted in the last thread was much cooler.

>>6412229
Damn that actually looks good.

>>6412229
>his data weights more than the entire original Doom game installation.
The very idea that he says this as if it's something to be proud of encapsulates perfectly why I hate the part of the Doom modding community that Mark belongs to.

the hell nobles are hot as fuck

>>6412286
They don't hold a candle to cyberdemon ass

Anyone else hate it when a wad kills you? I just want to have a relaxing session while in bed half asleep, but the level designer decided that I needed to be challenged instead. It's just bullshit.

>>6412286
They really are though. Dumb fine.

>>6412286
FBI open up

He enjoys being on fire.

What's the trigger for the pain elementals in Go 2 It?

>>6412302
Rape.

>>6411960
Shame I missed this, it's almost 3 and I was busy checking out Open Fortress

>>6412286
sup bigmacdavis

>>6412258
Yeah I thought something similar when I read that line. I think the sprites are okay, but it's like he takes pride in his mode being an optimized bloated mess.
>>6412286
Go away homo.

>>6412298
I've always thought of Hideous Destructor as this incredibly warped interpretation of Doom by people back in the early 90's who had no idea how to play FPS titles, and only have vague memories of it like it being super hard or something. It's interesting to think of it that way.

>>6412309
____________no____
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>>6412316
Do whatever you want for yourself but don't bring your degeneracy here, queer.

How do you fight the shadow ninjas? I can beat the game on Who Wants Wang but No Pain No Gain makes you fight tons of those guys.

>>6412327
They go down in a couple rockets or grenades.
Smoke bombs help (make yourself a shadow warrior).

>>6412320
I don't really care

>>6412327
Smoke bomb and style on those fuckers

>trying to play anon's map from the news post
Anon what the hell

>>6411878
The entirety of NEIS can go fuck itself.

>>6411709
>medkit has USA written on it
Do Americans really?

>>6412391
Which one?

>>6412457
Bridge World
It starts out alright, but it turns into an absolute mess in the next room. I mean it's not the worst, but it's not fun.

>>6412472
I see. Shame you aren't enjoying it.
Which room is the next one btw?

>>6412474
This one. There are too many enemies and most rooms are just arenas to circle strafe around in. The sound of the revenants constantly teleporting becomes almost maddening after a while. Teleporting is a neat gimmick, but there's too much of it. In general I really dislike this doom2-esque approach to mapping. I don't wanna be hard on you, but I don't want to lie to you either.

so what's the difference?
no duke posting pls

i need to take a shit.

I've been playing some Sigil lately because I'm still being gatekept by both Blood and Plutonia. Boy, does Sigil highlight some of what I consider as the most annoying features of Doom 1, and I thought Thy Flesh Consumed was bad. I still need to finish e5m3 too, and we'll see if that gets done tonight or tomorrow.

>>6412486
I see. Although there are too many monsters in central room, I agree. I'm experimenting with making it less crowded. The rest is unfortunately just a matter of taste, though I'm always thinking on how to make it more interesting.

>>6412506
One question. I killed all the enemies and when I enter this blue room I hear enemies are around, probably in the pool, but nothing is coming out or spawning. Is this intentional and do I need to go somewhere else? If so where?

>>6412495
One is a bullpup, the other isn’t
As for what that means, probably a weight difference, I think the manual goes into more detail

>>6412495
Does that thing in your inventory say “Mess Kit”? And what’s the thing left of it, rope?

>>6412517
They are hiding in the pool and supposed to rise when you come onto the top platform to collect the red key.

Alright motherfuckers, it's that time of the week again, SCREENSHOT SATURDAY. WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON? MAPS, MODS, SPRITES? SURELY YOU'VE KEPT YOURSELF PREOCCUPIED WITH SOME CREATIVE SHIT DURING THIS DOWNTIME.

>>6412529
Alright, but how do I get there even? I fliped all the switches I could find and got the yellow skull key which allows me to backtrack to the previous room, but beyond that I've no idea where I should go.

>>6412498
Go ahead.

>>6412548
You need to go to the gut room and drop down through the window to end up on the pads where revenants once were. I'm currently experimenting with ways to add additional clues on how to handle the teleports.

>>6412553
Yeah I had figured out that I can use the teleporters, but all that does is gets me to this room and I've not clue where to go from there.

>>6412568
You need to figure it out some more.

>>6412527
ugly as sin addon. a bunch gameplay mutators for hideous destructor to expand the set of base gameplay features. the weapon sling can be attached to any weapon for ease of handling, aids by removing the recoil penalty on most rapid fire weapons, allowing for regular hipfire. the hunger system sees you eating/drinking regularly to avoid fatigue. there's also a corpse looting mutator that you can toggle, a mutator that lets you control vile shard spawn amounts, then there's an AI enhancer mutator, etc. You won't be able to go back to normal HD once you try it out.

>>6412525
Think I'll stick with the bullpup.

>>6412585
>even more items, mechanics, and an entire food system on top of what’s probably one of the most convoluted Doom mods out there
I’ll be downloading this the minute I get the chance

>>6412572
Well I looked it up in doom builder. I actually did try to use the teleports to travel to other places as I figured it might be something similar to what d4m6 has. But when I tried it, what happened is that I slid off from the platform and not only once. So I thought maybe that's not it.

I think you should simply put the player at the center of the teleporter. The way it is now is too specific, with how you have to go around and then step on the side. The player has to move in a direction that's the opposite from where he'll go. It's a neat puzzle but a bit intuitive and I feel people might get stuck on this part and give up.

>>6412596
>d4m6
Meant e4m6 from ultimate doom.

>>6412596
I didn't want to put destination on the center because I felt it would be too disorienting. I've got a suggestion to make edges impassable to prevent sliding, which is something worth experimenting.

>>6412609
I was thinking of suggesting something like that as well. One last thing, the player can get stuck in this little gap here.

>>6412636
Oh, yes. This gap I'm also aware of. Didn't check after setting up pillars.

>>6412546
I've been working on a shotgun.

>>6412505
IMO, annoyances are kinda a necessary evil in maps and mapsets that aim to be challenging (such as Sigil), in order to prevent the player from feeling too comfortable with the gameplay.

Just finished going back to Ultimate Doom to pistol start uv-max everything with no saves. It's the first time I've played through more than just the first episode in quite some time. Why do people hate Thy Flesh Consumed so much? My opinion of it wasn't great before going back through it, but I'm not sure how much of that was because my opinions were influenced by others over time. It's honestly a really fun set of maps. The secret level is weak, and E4M5 is pretty mediocre, but overall I think it's a solid episode.

>>6412130
Eh, not quite. It does have slaughter maps here and there, but plenty of maps that aren't. Slaughterwad implies most if not all maps included are slaughter.

>>6412546
Working on the GS3 Japan map, I'm kinda overdue on this one, but it's getting good!

>>6411704
high quality shitpost right here

>>6412670
the first two levels being insanely hard is probably why

I always feel like if E4M2 and E4M3 swapped slots with E4M4 and E4M5, then the difficulty progression of the episode would've been a little better.
E4M1 is tough, but I still think it works as the episode opener.

>>6412731
Agreed. It does feel like an opener and a pretty good one at that.

>>6412250
The one revenant posted on the thread was a third version, if you scroll his twitter you will find the first version which is inferior. I guess all his models looks stiff at first and he improves them later.

Is there any way to make the latest version of SLADE less performance hungry? The map editor runs smooth and all, but for no apparent reason it makes my laptop run really hot (and therefore also makes the fan scream). I tried changing "render_adaptive_ms" from 15 to 0, but it had no effect, and will always revert to 15, no matter what.

>>6412746
>using SLADE for map editing
Man just use Ultimate Doom Builder

>>6412756
Maybe he's not on windows

>>6412756
"New and improved renderer", won't run on my machine anymore. The question is not wheter to use SLADE.

>>6412770
I see, well I can't help you with the performance problem but if the problem persists maybe try some alternatives. See if the old Doom Builder 2 works or maybe try Eureka. I also just found this DBX fork of DB2 https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/96943-doom-builder-x-20191-august-30-map-editor/

>>6412792
is this more or less up to date than GZD bugfix?

>>6412474
I played your level and died to a rocket in the face because of a Spectre.
The whole gimmick with the teleporting revenants is an absolute mess that forces the player to camp, to a mix of low visibility due to low brightness and a lot of Spectres blocking your movement... But previous to that the map was pretty fun.
I'll try to beat it and give my thoughts on the rest of the map.

I tried to link a download to a FDA demo I recorded of it (where I die ofc) but system keeps identifying the post as spam, I assume because of the link

>>6412815
https://files.catbox.moe/u4oyo9.lmp

>Finally make it to e5m4
>Get a soulcharge for free
>Get the first two keys with little trouble
>Grinning my ass off
>Third key
>Platforms sink into lava the second you step on them
>Start hemmhoraging health
>Panic
>Can't run past an imp
>Cucked by a shotgunner
Romero you absolute bastard.

>>6412792
>>6412756
Why are you suggesting Eureka over SLADE for mapping/map editing?

>>6412815
I'm the other guy who played the map. Managed to finish it, but with saves. Yeah I didn't mentioned it, but the abundance of Specters made the map even more of a mess. They were too many times where I would suddenly get stuck on one of them and die. Another thing is that often I would find myself with little or no ammo at all. The map is really rough and needs to be less boxy overall.
>>6412820
Heh I was about to suggest catbox.

>>6412806
Sorry no idea anon.
>>6412827
Well no reason in particular, but anon seems to have performance issues with Slade and Eureka looks like it isn't heavy on performance. I messed around with it a bit and it's a solid editor.

>>6411667
Can any kind anon here hook me up with a compiled latest release of Crispy Doom for Mac?

I don't own a Mac, and I have a friend who won't know how to go through the procedure and just wants to play Doom.

>>6412824
Save the invulnerability in the right section for it.

Does anyone still have access to Armory resource WAD or anything like it? Im looking for some sample codes in decorate to learn from

>>6412834
>>6412815
Yeah, spectres were a mistake. I don't think I'll be able to redo geometry properly, except maybe 10 years from now when I'm old and wise and do "Redo your first maps" projects. But I can definitely lose the spectres.

>>6412746
Okay, I fixed the problem. For some weird reason, "render_adaptive_ms" has to be set to "01". This way, after restarting SLADE, it will be changed to "1". No more MSAA (not needed anyway), no more overheating.

>>6411667
Someone recommend me some quality atmospheric maps i can play with plutonia/tnt IWAD. Just downloaded plutonia 2 and it's alright but a bit of a clusterfuck at times.

>try the quake 4 demo
>that walk speed
What happened?

>>6412871
>demo
You just haven't played halfways.

>>6412872
Does the full game have faster move speed or do you get some kind of speed upgrade later on?

Started playing Sunlust UV Pistol starts (with occasional midsaves). Already proving to be quite challenging, and I've only completed 6 maps. Pretty fun, though.

>>6412869
TNT Revilution is pretty neat

>>6412891
ty mate

>>6412806
Less. Lacks a lot of features I find essential to save time.

>>6412881
>do you get some kind of speed upgrade later on?
Yes. The second one.

>>6411667
Idk if this is the right thread to post this in, but does anyone have any Thief FMs that don't suck dick? I'm looking for something akin to "Doom the way id did". Missions that look and feel like they could be OMs.
Apart from T2X.
Most of the newer "best" ones have too much detail, cringe voice acting, bad pacing, too many custom textures that look out of place, drag on for far too long and shit gameplay. I'm tired of doors and items I can't interact with, friendly A.I. that I have to interact with, progression constantly hidden behind obligatory secrets. The first mission of The Scarlet Cascabel infuriated me to no end.

>>6412923
Huh I see, that's neat. Thanks for the info anon. I'm still unsure if I want to play it, but this just increased its chances some. Also I liked the way enemies behave and animate.

>>6412936
IIRC, the Thief and Thief 2 20th anniversary mapping contest submissions had to to limit themselves to stock resources.

>>6412952
I know, I've playing through those. But most are hit or miss. They're built using stock textures for the most part, but that doesn't fix my issues with the overall map design. And I think that most people at TTLG forums are either tasteless or neurotic schizos.

>>6412940
Go for it. Q4 is the best id game of the 2000s.

>>6412996
that doesn't mean much.

>>6412179
You suck that much but if you practice every day you will see improvement. Ping gives an advantage but the guys who usually dominates that server have been playing like 10+ years.

>>6412996
Q4 was made by Raven

>>6412229
Not too bad, particularly for a WIP.

>>6412860
I made it a bit further. Died to an Archvile with no chance of escape. I'd recommend you remove him from that room -- it's already absolutely filled with enemies and gives little opportunity to move and take cover, and as you can see in the video, I had zero idea the Archvile was there, and when there's enemies from multiple angles, it could be possible that the player won't even see or hear it until they're already in flames.
Archviles are always number 1 priority, so it should be obvious to the player when one is in the room.

https://files.catbox.moe/xk66wo.lmp

>>6412940
play it on the highest difficulty
the first berserker you see can one shot you from full health, but bunnyhopping around makes you un hittable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCwG1F_iY_o

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=67785

>>6412860
I made it a bit further. Died to an Archvile with no chance of escape. I'd recommend you remove him from that room -- it's already absolutely filled with enemies and gives little opportunity to move and take cover, and as you can see in the demo, I had zero idea the Archvile was there, and when there's enemies from multiple angles, it could be possible that the player won't even see or hear it until they're already in flames.
Archviles are always number 1 priority, so it should be obvious to the player when one is in the room.

For criticism on the rest of the level (from what I played), it's pretty good, I like how abstract and nonsensical the visuals are. The layout is fine but noticeably very boxy in gameplay.
The combat is 50/50, in some situations it's engaging (like one of the first rooms, where you're given a soulsphere and the SSG), and sometimes it's a bit dull (like the teleporting Revenants and shit tons of Spectres/Demons). In retrospect, the monster roster for the arenas is repetitive.
I give it about a 6/10 right now but with some improvements to the gameplay I bet it could be a memorable 8/10 level.
The progression may seem confusing for some people, but personally I didn't have much trouble.

I played a bit badly in the beginning because I was in a voice chat with a friend and couldn't pay much attention
https://files.catbox.moe/xk66wo.lmp

>>6413154

>>6411683

>>6412286
Understandable opinion, they've got amazing gains.

First time playing DOOM, what difficulty should I choose?

>>6413162
Ultra Violence

Everything else is too easy (or a joke difficulty like Nightmare)

>>6413162
Not too rough setting if you are feeling confident.

>>6413162
Hurt me Plenty is made for first playthroughs, but if you don't suck at FPS feel free to go with Ultra-Violence.

>>6413163
>>6413168
Guess I'll go with Ultra Violence. Thanks.

>>6413162
Start with Hurt Me Plenty, then if you feel it's easy, move up to Ultra-Violence.
The original three episodes really aren't particularly hard, and Doom 2 isn't much harder.
It's Episode 4 and Final Doom which crank it up.

>>6413162
While technically considered the hard difficulty, Ultra Violence in the official games (minus Plutonia) is still pretty managable for most newbies, so pick that.
I'd probably recommend Hurt Me Plenty for when you get to Plutonia, though, as it can be a major test on your skills and mechanical knowledge on UV.

>>6413162
HMP if you're relatively inexperience, otherwise UV just adds in more monsters and sometimes changes other stuff around without hiking up damage given/taken or any shit like that. When you get into PWADs some may make their maps on UV significantly harder than on HMP, but that's a while away yet.

>>6413175
Hell, even take a step further, and play on Hey Not Too Rough! in Plutonia. Hurt Me Plenty can still be quite a challenge.

>>6413157
I tend to overuse a particular trick I just figured out, this week's was teleporting arch-viles into a battlefield as a second wave. I should now prune it.

Originally my big teleporting room had an arch-vile in it, but I chose to remove it because I didn't want to allow archvile jumps. Now that I'm putting fence around the platforms, I might put it back in, what do you think, compared to skeletons?

6391483
Anon, if you're in this thread, thank you so much. This is really above and beyond what most do. This is outstanding. My hd with all my Doom shit going back years died recently, I have some on old CD-Rs but it was almost so daunting a task of amassing that shit again that I didn't want to bother. Now I don't have to. Thank you based anon.

>>6412495
Non-bullpup has considerably less recoil, a more responsive trigger, is a bit heavier and longer, can't fit in a backpack, and ejects casings instantly instead of the F2000-like system the bullpup has.

>>6391483
Anon, if you are in this thread, thank you so much for this. This is really above and beyond what most put together to share. The hd with all my Doom stuff going back years died recently and the thought of having to amass all that stuff again was so daunting I almost didn't want to bother. Now I don't have to. Thank you based anon.

Huh when you think about it, the new doom games are probably how Quake 3's singleplayer campaign would be if it had one.

>>6413162
To add to these, most people consider UV the standard difficulty for DOOM, and the hard mode is UV + fast monsters. Nightmare is basically considered a joke difficulty, though possible to beat.
The thing that's nice about DOOM is that you can stack up challenges to alter the difficulty to your liking. Some people, for instance, will do a full play through using UV + fast monsters + pistol starts only for added challenge.

>>6413248
So it would be shit?

Playing JPCP nosaves with Final Coomer. At level 11 currently, so far feels good, maps are exactly the right length, like in Doom 2 - not too short, but not a chore to replay if you die near the end.

>>6413281
Probably. I'm sure the criticism would be harsher if something like that came out back then. Or maybe people wouldn't even care for it at all.

>>6413287
>nosaves with Final Doomer
I mean...you're already quite a few pegs above in powerlevel compared to regular vanilla Doomguy so I don't see how this 'nosaves' thing would be too significant

>>6412841
Pls respond guys. I don't want to send them to Chocolate Doom or GZDoom for their very first time. I was hoping Crispy or GLBoom would be available but neither offer pre-compiled releases for mac.

>>6413292
I wonder if it's possible to make a proper single-player campaign for Quake. At very least it would need bot-like monsters like Skaarj in Unreal, and probably an emphasis on platforming.

>>6413248
>the new doom games are probably how Quake 3's singleplayer campaign would be if it had one.

They would have never put menu-driven RPG character progression into Quake 3 back then, they would have never made the jumping retard-friendly, and they would never force you to break flow every 5 seconds to glory kill for ammo.

Nu-doom fuckin' sux.

>>6413308
If you're talking about Quake 3 then there's https://github.com/TheEnginesOfCreation/EntityPlus but the project hasn't seen much activity in a while. I wonder why didn't they just port Quake 1's campaign first, then build on that.

>>6413336
Yeah you right about that, I was honestly thinking more about the arena focused encounters.

>>6413301
>Chocolate Doom or GZDoom for their very first time

Why not?

Also

>Mac

He gets what he deserves

>>6413458
>Why not
Because Chocolate Doom's 35 FPS is less than ideal for anyone that's not a purist
Because GZDoom has whack defaults and they're likely to get performance issues because it's a low-end computer

I'm on Linux and I know it's possible to cross-compile the binary for OSX, but I'm a dummy and I don't know how to.

>>6413194
I think it'd still be annoying.

>>6413301
I think you have no choice but to go down the *ZDoom route. I see they finally decided to support the guy who made LZDoom, and it is now listed as an official derivative, so go with that.

I started to play doom without quick saving, the experience was much more immersive I could almost feel some sort of storytelling by the level progression, so I came to the conclusion if a map is not fun to play without save-scumming is not a good map.

Looks like Arcane Dimensions 1.8 is a thing
https://twitter.com/PuLSaR_noise/status/1259013464028258304?s=19

>>6413609
sick

>>6412648
Whats the process for making a weapon sprite? I'm totally ignorant on that aspect of modding.

>>6413287
>At level 11
Probably too late to warn you, but that map has some bullshit deaths, like the BFG one and technically the "do you like caco" one so I suggest saving in that one if you're playing blind.
As much as I like Kurashiki and her art, her maps are some of the worst in the megawad, specially the confusing mess that's MAP25.

>>6413609
I feel that AD falls in the category "so good that it might even be an official expansion" like:
>Blood Deathwish
>Half Life Echoes
>Duke Nukem Alien Armaggeddon

>>6413609
Ballsome! Are they adding anything new?

>>6413661
Sock reply from that tweet:
>AD 1.8 plan (at the moment) is I have 3 finished maps, 2 in progress and about 20 test maps for new features! There are also a couple of new bosses, some extra mini bosses and some new general monsters that will appear in new maps.

>>6413643
you either draw them by hand, most likely with reference from existing sprites, or take a screenshot / render of a model and touch it up / draw over it

>>6413706
>>6413643
I like to cut and cobble things together like Dr. Frankenstein, though I draw some parts from scratch.

Oooh spooky.

>>6407697
What is most optimal way to compile on windows? I've tried to use VS IDE, cmake and vcpkg package manager, but the end result produces an error about lack of SDL and PCRE libraries despite dependencies being resolved during compilation. DLLs are in place, maybe aforementioned libraries are incompatible for some reason or there is some log i should check. I'm amateur at tech, perhaps it's worth a try to ask /g/ in meantime

>>6413828
are those byuut duum sprites?

>>6413868
Yes,those are Beautiful Doom sprites.

>>6413828
Thats much better than the Mussolini-looking vanilla sprites.

>>6413934
I disagree, I like those sprites a lot.

>>6411851
>>6411683
nor this
>>6406324

>>6413336
He meant more with how mobile the enemies are and you needing to control the fights. Still a pretty fucking retarded thing to say considering the two games don't play anything alike.
>Nu-doom fuckin' sux.
It doesn't though because the elements all feel in sync and the game plays fine with them. You having a distaste for RPG-like elements when plenty other games have them doesn't make it a bad title.

>>6413828
Beautiful Doom has some nice decoration sprites. I still mainline Smooth though, can't beat the 64 weaponset.

>>6414006
The creator of the mod is planning to put compatibility with other weapon mods.
So we might get both in one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox2zfFNYmvc

>>6413609
Does AD have Quoth's Gug or am I just crazy?
I think I'm just crazy but I'm not sure.

>>6414056
IIRC yes, AD borrows some stuff from Quoth. Talking about Quoth, is it worth a play? I think I played just a level but I didn't really like it.

>>6413496
I ended up going with LZDoom, thank you anon. Wasn't aware of it.

I find it weird that it defaults to having vertical look always on, AND also uses the software renderer by default. This will only end up confusing newbies who think that looking up and down and getting a warped vision effect is normal. I wish they had just made it default to no vertical look always. But oh well.

>>6414069
There's a bunch of stuff on Quaddicted that is compatible with / requires Quoth, and yes it is worth playing.

>>6414056
no gug, no vermis and no polyp
I think the rest is there though (if nerfed)

What are the most energetic and upbeat songs in Doom 1, 2 or TNT? Sandy's City is kinda what I'm thinking of, but hoping for something even more.

>>6414159
sadistic
lets kill at will
into the beasts belly

>>6414159
Between levels (which, ironically enough, is not played between levels).

>>6414056
Does AD use anything from Armagon or Dissolution? I feel like the intricate levels could perfectly hide some of those floating mines or gremlins.

>>6411667
>tfw still waiting for shadownukem and the buildgdx update that adds in Shadow Warrior support.

>is developing a game based on Crispy Doom
>thinks it would be nice to have <feature X>, perhaps should switch to GZDoom
>sees the clusterfuck that is GZDoom's codebase
>nope. Nope. NOPE.
>gladly goes back to hack Crispy Doom

>>6414205
Unfortunately no. There are some neat things in the expacs that adept mappers could take advantage of, but no one uses them, either because they’re part of a commercially sold addon or Quoth/AD adds in similar things.

Is Adventures of Square considered retro if it's its own game built for (G)ZDoom?

I'm watching the stream with KingDime, MTrop, and Jimmy right now and they mentioned that they were targetting the software renderer because it makes the colors look right, despite the fact that looking up and down warps the geometry in software mode.

Is there a way to get it to run on OpenGL with the colors looking right?

>>6414226
doubt anyone cares about commercial whatever, considering AD has more hexen2 in it than quake

Recently finished Shadow Warrior.
It's really good but it's the weakest of the trilogy.
So many unfair deaths and overall the level design can be a chore.
But the weaponry was so good.

>>6414260
Shadow Warrior is a game I wish I could see more of outside of Civvie's vids on it, because I can tell that the gunplay is great but I'm too shit to beat the first level.
>>6412854
Smart idea

>>6414297
If that's your first time then go for low difficulty.
Just like Blood they're games that go hard as nails.
Then replay it at a higher one.

>>6414297
How is it humanly possible to be this shit?

>>6414297
Persevere through it. It gets easier when you get more explosives. Basically I realize now what was wrong with reboot - the original was not about swordplay, it was about blowing shit up.

If I wanted to play a game like Heretic on GZDoom, do I need to mess with settings to enable things that it supported that the Doom games did not like mouse look? Can Heretic+Hexen be played on GZDoom? Thanks for any help.

>>6414373
You're not playing the games you mentioned. Strictly speaking, you are playing GZDoom. It will have the exact same configuration system (and general feel) regardless of which IWAD do you load.

>>6414373
>do I need to mess with settings to enable things that it supported that the Doom games did not like mouse look?
Heretic did originally support mouselook, but it was rather limited and didn't really change the gameplay. You can leave it off if you want, it's really up to you. Heretic did not have jumping or crouching, but it did have a flight powerup, so I would bind some keys to the flight up/down commands if you choose not to use mouselook. It also has a menu for the powerups, so bind some keys for navigation and item selction too. Everything else is exactly like Doom.
>Can Heretic+Hexen be played on GZDoom?
Yes they can. If you play Hexen, just know that you can jump in that game.

>>6414318
You'd be surprised.

are you feeling it now 54

>>6414260
Have you played the 2 expansions yet? Theyre both great, not quite as polished as the original but lots of good level design. Although Wanton Destruction has some really annoying sound effect replacements (the ninjas constantly repeat full sentences). I replaced those sound effects with the original ninja sounds (just replace WT.grp): https://mega.nz/file/xKhyFAbQ#Bic6uNaeWrY2aUSJ8z0Ka7isNd-HlOloaaaCtsH-z6U

>>6414445
I can't take those guys seriously because of the goofy sound they make when they see you

>>6414384
>You're not playing the games you mentioned. Strictly speaking, you are playing GZDoom. It will have the exact same configuration system (and general feel) regardless of which IWAD do you load.
Was it autism?

The last video of my playthrough of 100 minutes of /vr/ is up. I have to say, that the contributors did a good job, I enjoyed the wad a lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruZzqECwu7I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvBiH-DsgWI

>>6414445
How does literally no character designer in modern times grasp the concept of simplicity

>>6414181
>into the beasts belly
I hate how one of the best songs in the series plays in some of the worst maps. And I love TNT.

>>6414567
looks like 343i got their hands on marathon

This shit needs to fuck off

>>6414449
Yes,currently I'm playing WD,good so far just not like the OG.
Btw thank you for that,buddy.

>>6412648
>whiplash
You're respriting all the Combined Arms weps aren't you Kegan, you sneaky beaky sneaker?

that being said it looks fuckin awesome

>>6414672
at this point. Yes. The axe will stay the same though, and the SSG tier weapon, the sharpshooter will probably just get a new paintjob, but the rest are getting some new sprites altogether, along with some desperately needed tweaks to how they work, a lot of them suck.

>>6412670
M2 comes off like a fuck you gimmick wad. Like a shitpost in level design form.

>>6414620
That is unironically the first time I've ever read the word "derp" in almost a decade or so.

>>6414691
>derp
>pwnage
>1337
>hax
>omg teh epicness
I miss it all.

I saw this as a preview image for a youtube video and thought it was funny. I hope I'm not posting something wrong

>>6414703
I don't.

>>6414706

>>6414706

>>6414703
I miss "derp" as a simple one line thing to say real fast when you fuck up in an fps game. It was quick and got the point across as "I fucked up". I don't remember anyone ever raging at me if I did a quick "derp" when I let the team down or something.

>>6414703
As much as I would never use these terms unironically, it does make me somewhat nostalgic for late 2000s-early 2010s internet, as gay as that sounds

>>6414717
I feel you, it was a dumber, more innocent time of the internet where people acting dumb was just them acting dumb without a veil of "Irony" to seem like they were smart and cool.
Well at least some other things have stayed the same, Doom's still Doom.

>>6411667
"Channel for the Unannounced FPS, 1998, developed at Slipgate Ironworks and 3D Realms"


I'm not sure if the 2 in the category has to do with a sequel or because there's another 'unnanounced fps' channel in their server. They just recently revealed these words. Anyone have any ideas?

>>6414729
It's literally called 1998?

>>6414737
Not sure if that was a good joke or just a retard moment

>>6414318
try watching DSP's Doom 2 playthrough

>>6414717
There is nothing gay about it, man. I miss the 2000s internet too. Everything wasn't centralized under Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc... Websites were much simpler and more light weight. You had specialized forums to talk to people interested in the same thing as you, instead of going to subr*ddit #9001. Websites were much less uniform, sterile, and corporate, and people didn't freak out if you made a joke that wasn't PC. I miss going to four or five different websites to look for Oblivion mods. Now it's all been centralized into just a few major websites. The structure of the internet was simply better in those days.

>>6414501
>weakest map of the set
This one was somewhat experimental. I wanted to make something that had multiple routes. Thanks for playing it, though! It's always cool to see other people play my stuff, even with scathing criticism, lol.

>>6413236
Glad you like it, mate!

>>6414765
Oh god, I don't want to, but now I feel like I have to

>>6414768
>I miss going to four or five different websites to look for Oblivion mods

I really don't miss that. It was a disaster waiting to happen when the old sites died. At least that game was popular enough for people to archive all the mods when their sites went down. So many mods for old games are gone forever now.

>>6414896
This is more of a problem with a single centralized resource than multiple smaller resources.

>>6414712
Gotta go fast.

>>6414921
It really depends. If a modding community is split between a dozen different sites it gets real easy for one to disappear without anyone backing it up. But with one giant site it gets harder to archive it in the first place and all you need is one guy to pull the plug and its all over. After dozens of small file loss tragedies over the years you have way more people working hard to download every mod possible. I have a few mod archives for smaller games backed up after their respective sites went down.

I sometimes wonder how many games that once had massive modding communities are filled with nothing but dead links. Games like Neverwinter nights or dungeon siege for example.

>>6414159
On The Hunt

Any good Ancient Egypt themed Doom WADs?

>>6414567
It feels like with a lot of modern games, artists are more concerned about graphical fidelity, rather than having an actual deliberate artstyle. Which in turn results in games that look like they're pushing hardware to their limits, but are otherwise bland and generic to look at.

What is the comparable level of Zandronum in ZDoom/GZDoom?

>>6415046
what?

>>6415040
There should be a ton, don't remember which ones are any good though

>>6415040
Epic 1 & 2 are great.
Ancient Aliens is good but a bit on the punishing side.
DBP023 was just released. Havent played it but its probably also great considering the contributors.

>>6415076
I'm playing through DBP023, and it's really good. It has the end theme for Streets of Rage as the intermission music, so that's enough to give it some points alone.

>>6415076
Thanks for the recs anon.

I'm playing through Scythe for the first time and I just reached MAP26. It's a fun slaughter map, but I have a complaint in pic related. If you go up to one of the balconies to kill a group of cyberdemons, and you did not clear the ground area of demons first, you will not be able to get down from the balcony because the teleporters were one way and there's now a horde of infinitely-tall demons blocking you from falling off the balcony, and who will claw at you from the ground level.

Thank you Erik Alm, very cool.

>>6414835
I always feel bad when critizing such maps. I see that the intent was to make it nonlinear (and it was accomplished somewhat successful), but the area lacked setpieces that would help telling them apart, so I got lost there forever. Then I realize that it's a speedmap and how actually difficult it is to make maps in general. If I were given 100 minutes, I would end up with something much worse. Thanks for making this map!

>>6414159
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_6ChXTP9TA
e3m1's theme really needs a ska remix to set it off, honestly

>>6414729
>>6414737
It's a new IP and some Quakefags are in and also some industry veterans like the art director from Half-life.
1998 is a reference to tech, CEO told something like >if Ion Fury was from 1996 and Wrath from 97, this is from 1998. Sounds kinda retarded to me tbqh.
The first unannounced FPS is probably a remaster of Gunman Chronicles btw

>>6415312
>1998 is a reference to tech, CEO told something like >if Ion Fury was from 1996 and Wrath from 97, this is from 1998. Sounds kinda retarded to me tbqh.
Maybe something based on Quake 2 id Tech? Or the much worse alternative: something based on UE1.

>>6415318
What about the Dark Engine?

>>6415327
Unlikely given the difficulty there would be with respect to licensing it.

Y'all ever notice cacodemons have two holes?

>>6415351
What about the mouth and hearing orifices?

>>6415365
I'm talking exclusively about potentially erogenous holes here.

>>6415367
So did I.

>>6415041
>>6414567
They need to convey the "technologically advanced civilization that uses primitive weapons for some reason", and they can't do that so their first reflex is to add wires and break things into many little separate components that would not be practical/reliable in pretty much any scenario.

stupid cacodemon

Are there any secrets in the second hub in Arcane Dimensions other than the secret level up top?

>>6415439
there's nightmare selection too

They said SWP was buggy. I didn't believe them. Then I collected a flash bomb and died simultaneously. The game crashed so hard I think I might have to restart my computer.

>>6415438
Look at that idiot.

>>6415507
I figured out how to unstick my computer from the limbo that is a random gray screen caused by SWP crashing.

When's VoidSW I can't figure out how to run JonoF on my winpleb machine

>>6414567
gotta cover everything in greebles so that everyone knows you can model lots of greebles

>>6414445
What the fuck

What are some good UDoom wads? I played Suspended in Dusk, DTWID, NEIS and Lunar Catastrophe.

>>6415535
Double Impact

>>6415539
ty

>>6415535
SIGIL

>>6415535
I thought Suspended in Dusk was Doom 2?
Anyways, 2002 A Doom Odyssey is a classic.

>>6415438
What's wrong there, apart from the caco being a bit fidgety? He's fighting off that pinky that got him cornered.

>MAP12 of Eternal DOOM
I have now hit the point of "fuck it I'm using the wiki." Fucking EIGHT switches you have to just remember the position of as you play through the level and then backtrack toward at the end. The level was cool up to that point at least, especially aesthetically, but goddamn even though I knew what I was getting into this is still more than I expected for MAP12 of a 32-map project.

>>6415620
>this is still more than I expected for MAP12 of a 32-map project.
Fun fact. The original version of eternal Doom was only the first 12 maps.

>>6415159
What the fuck is that perspective?

x-ray vision

>>6415632
I think he made it so sprites are visible at all times.

>>6415159
Why is an army of angry midgets about to attack you?

>>6415040
Osiris.wad, an old but pretty good partial conversion, 8 levels only though.

>>6415535
Wonderful Doom
Needs More Detail
Back to Basics
Fava Beans
INVADE2.WAD
dmpurge.wad

>>6415625
Well that would explain it then.

>>6415654
kek

>>6412546
Those fucking junkies keep breaking buttons in elevator. Also I decided to change machine pistol sprite for angled one, to match other weapons.

I am making a FM for Thief: The Dark Project. I want a marine themed garden for the mansion of a water mage. Do you people know any textures or low poly models regarding sea plants? Colourful coral. Kelp. Algae.

I'm getting filtered by tricks and traps, lads.

Are the test maps in Arcane Dimensions worth playing?

>>6415682
They're surprisingly good for what they are. Tehy're also quite short so why not play them.

>>6415438
> everybody likes to jiggle

>>6415680
Did you get tricked or trapped?

>>6415698
Both.

>>6415702
absolutely bamboozled

>doom 1's e3m7
>kill all the enemies
>get all the the doors, keys and switches, just have to find the way to the exit through the teleporter labyrinth
>eventually die from all the damage floors after minutes of meandering about
This map is such cancer. Not to mention how damn boring it is both visually and gameplay wise.

>>6415715
Extensive damage floor trekking is never fun.

Henlo /vr/. I would like to become a stanist. Will play of Doom make me worship the devil? Thanks, god bless.

>>6415760
No, you shoot demons and save humanity. Sorry to tell you this.

>>6415737
Yeah I think it's fine if done with measure, but in Limbo it's really overdone.

I was doing a chill replay of inferno on UV and had a pretty nice streak with no deaths, but then I died to something so stupid after pretty much clearing the map. I managed to easily beat it on next retry once I figured out where to go, but it really ticked me off.

The map has zero interesting encounters and is more like a puzzle level than anything. For a moment it felt like I was playing something else instead of Doom. I have a feeling that it being a second to last map is not a coincidence. Overall Inferno is pretty weak, it's downright sleep inducing at times.

>>6415715
>>6415737
>>6415771
>Tom/Sandy map
It's not like it's a shock that it's terrible.

>>6414729
>>6415312
>>6415318

>>6415776
He worked on one of the Quake 2 mission packs. It's pretty flimsy but could be evidence in favor of the use of the Q2 engine.

>>6415771
>Overall Inferno is pretty weak, it's downright sleep inducing at times.
And then you get that absolute anti-climax of a final boss.

>>6415778
Doesn't Wrath engine does what Quake 2 does but better? He also made some nice Quake 1 maps

>>6415620
I think a lot of people dislike Eternal Doom unfairly. Level 1 and 2 show pretty much all tricks the megawad will pull, so it's quite obvious that it's a puzzle-y wad from the beginning -- just happens that Doom players are too used to not having to pay careful attention to progress.

Also, read the "GENERAL" text file in the Eternal Doom package.

>>6415780
The spiderdemon fight is honestly not that bad if you pistol start.

>>6415782
>Cheat often, it saves you all the trouble of learning how to play!
Well that sounds like an endorsement from TeamTNT to use the wiki (which obviously didn't exist at the time but if they encourage actual cheating then they should be fine with this), thanks for pointing it out.

I'm running gzdoom on a pi4, and my config file has reset a few times. It was working just fine earlier today, but now it's reset, losing all of its changes. I suspect that it might have been because of the system update I just did. Anyone know how I can prevent that from happening in the future? As a work around, I'll make a copy of my settings.

>>6415797
You could make the ini read only.

>>6415787
It's supposed to be a joke, but aight.

>>6415776
I really hope this is something Heretic-like

>>6415781
There's no "Wrath engine". It runs on DarkPlaces, a modernized Quake source port that is used by loads of other games. As for the"does everything that Q2 does plus more" argument, it's comparing apples to oranges.

>>6415816
Wrath uses a custom DarkPlaces version tbqh

>>6415760
i don't know who stan is

>>6415760
Nah, I became a Davidian afterwards

>>6415820
I wonder what has been changed. According to the readme on their github repo, it is "based on the 13/05/2014 DarkPlaces source snapshot, with some minor additions and alterations", but there's no commit log prior the initial upload.

>>6415760
>stanism
>The belief that all living and non-living things are simply representations of one central being called STAN and that love and freedom can unite all representations. Believers often call themselves 'stanites' or 'stanists'.

i don't know, lad
sounds fishy

>>6415760
no it'll make you into romero's bitch

>>6415841
Probably the menu, inventory, save system, and made some weapon/monster functions engine native

>>6415870
I'll do a diff against the DP snapshot in question once I have some time. I'm intrigued now.

>>6415872
Scratch that, I did it right now. There are no massive changes. They extended the QC virtual machine to be able to manipulate files, modified the player physics a bit, modified the sound code to allow pausing of an arbitrarily playing sound, and tweaked various messages/hardcoded constants to fit their game. But it's still about 98% stock DarkPlaces.

Playing Ultimate DOOM for the first time. Part 1 wasn't anything special but these dungeon crawler levels are blowing my mind

>>6415894
>extended the QC virtual machine to be able to manipulate files
wouldn't that allow for the repeat of that infamous GZDoom exploit where one could override your boot?

>>6415682
Surprisingly, yes.

>>6415836
The Branch kind?

>>6414585
yeah it's basically the exact same thing that 343 did to elites in halo

>>6415816
There is a Medievalish fantasy mod for Q2 that is damn good, also there is Quake2XP Fork, which was used for the early Remaster of SiN Gold.
https://www.moddb.com/mods/dawn-of-darkness1

Kirk is updating the engine lately, and he's still quiet about releasing updates.
The latest video put the Metal shader of Q2RTX into shame
https://www.moddb.com/mods/quake-2-xp/news/adjusted-metalness-materials
https://www.moddb.com/mods/quake-2-retexture-project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI_p_tRSYTw

>>6414567
Tbf, these aren't as bad as most. They're only a little over designed.

>>6415916
Not familiar with GZDoom's internals, but if I understand correctly, no. Quake's resource management/virtual filesystem is quite sophisticated.

>>6415804
I'll give it a shot

>>6416015
K, this is a Q2 engine that is made to look like D3 (but I bet it won't be anywhere as optimized as the latter). So what's the point?

>>6416076
Q2XP is optimized as fuck and easy to config, something that can't be said for Q2RTX
also it works without the pkx files in it, so consider it a Q2E reborn and working perfectly

I guess I am very late to the party.
Is D3D Alien Apocalypse fun? This mod kinda flew past me, and I've only recently got to know about it's existence.

I noticed Crispy Doom has brightmaps for things like switches, toxic barrels, and armor bonuses, but not for demon eyes. Is there any way to add these in? If not, can we peer pressure Fabian into adding them?

Also why can't I take screenshots of Crispy Doom? It just takes a screenshot of my desktop instead.

I'm trying to use the boosted version of http://sc55.duke4.net/games.php for doom 1 on gzdoom but the songs aren't looping correctly. As soon as I start a map, it just loops the first second endelessy. Any ideas on what might be the issue?

>>6416081
Okay, I'll give it a try. I think I remember this engine back from the mid-2000s, when Q2E was attempted to dominate the scene.

>>6416089
Anon just grab VMS and download the SC-55 soundfont

>>6416093
i suggest using the pbr pack on moddb and look at one of the 2 Neural upscaled packs for it, one is general and is monsters and so on with a few edits to compensate the new size, or this one
https://github.com/Calinou/quake2-neural-upscale

>>6416103
Not him, but it's funny how no one really gives a lotta shit towards upscaled texture mods compared to all those "HD reimagining" mods
or >filters no one likes. Can't say I blame them though cus upscaled textures, if done right, really do look good and (obviously enough) don't fuck with the original aesthetic of the game. It's also kind of ironic that textures that have simply put through some kind of ai are far better than and easily trump most HD texture packs that have been meticulously redrawn by hand.

>>6416131
AI upscaled textures don't look as bad in 3d games as they do in 2d stuff like doom.

>>6416131
The ones in Q2XP and the PBR pack are being upscaled and updated using NVidia's AI and Gigapixel, which cant be said to the Nvidia's version, which looks bad and with forced raytracing bullshit, like the tank boss room with the unnecessary mirror garbage.
Also it seems that the spergs at Quake mapping discord channel hates Ai upscaling

>>6416089
Load the .zip file like you would any other mod thru GZDoom

>>6416081
>>6416015
Man, I have to learn how to create 3d models

>>6416165
I did exactly that. It's just that the looping is broken.

Do you guys like horror mod ?

>>6415645
>>6415632
I toggled on freelook, looked down, and toggled on the cheat that lets you see sprites through walls x-ray style, so you could see what was waiting down there for me.

>>6415715
This is my mnemonic that I use to remember the teleporter order - Top / middle / exit. I also use strafe-jumps to skip the intended route, though. Watch any speedrun of that map and you'll see exactly what I mean.

>>6415771
>sleep-inducing
It's fun doing deathless Nightmare runs of the whole episode. I even go to the secret level to get 100 rockets.

Hideous Destructor is the best goddamn mod. Under 1mb in size. Packed with features and settings. Detailed and wonderful.
Doom will never die.
That is all.

>>6416187
how many broom closets does one really need?

>>6416187
Only if it doesn't require GZDoom. But looks good so far.

>>6416216
I really like what it does even though the gameplay is not my cup of tea. It's a prime example of what one can and should do with modding.

>>6416238
>Only if it doesn't require GZDoom
Why's that ?

>>6416089
>>6416184
So apparently it's a problem with the git version of gzdoom.

>>6416183
Q2 needs a Vertex to Bone conversion for its animations if someone ever converts it to Md3 or backport it with higher poly models.

I think I saw another anon doing a 3x3 of wads a couple of threads ago, I made one just for fun.

>>6416257
Surprised no one's tried doing that yet, let alone with any fps game without proper bones

>>6416267
Because people doesn't dare making Q2 model replacements like Q1 has it with AD stuff.

Okay, mystery time!

In Hexen's IWAD (both the demo and the full, in all versions) there's a lump called "XXTIC". It's 8 bytes long, and is filled with 0xFE. I found no reference to it anywhere in the actual source code, except in the WadLink file that was used to build the actual IWAD. In there, it is commented as "version ID", which doesn't make sense (FE = 254, *8=2032).

So what could this be, and why is it present in all the known versions of the game, despite apparently not being used anywhere?

>>6411685
You just can't handle perfection.

"I found HL a bit overly scripted and hyped. The AI that everyone liked was dumb as a brick. I regualarly saw groups of marines yell, ''gernade, duck'' and crouch down next to the gernade for extermination. Also, the aimbot mentality of the AI underpinnings resulted in numerous ''monsters'' blowing themselves up while standing at a corner of a doorway. That coupled with scripted events just not working if you distrupt their path too much, made the game more comical and tedious than what it should have been. At most, the AI was clumsily executed in places.

All in all, only the marines had any decent AI of the group, with the rest of the AI being your classic death fest shooter AI which used the rush the player until you run out of warm bodies. The marines for the most part tried to execute logical maneuvers only to be ruined by impercise path finding and lack of proper threat analysis (see my reference to the ducking next to the gernade behavior).

The more commonly overlooked AI is the AI from Unreal which had much better execution and much better results from the path finding. I found myself regularly surprised when the AI would pin me down behind an embankment or wall while its buds would flank or encircle me. If HL had better pathfinding, I might have been more impressed with the AI that what I was with Unreal. Instead, I am left with a feeling that everything in HL was a scripted event with no AI to support it beyond some minimal efforts at maneuvering."
https://www.gamedev.net/forums/topic/27602-half-life-all-the-right-moves/
HOLY BASED

Why is Erik Alm the "most copied mapper" in Doom? What gold did he strike? I get that Scythe was good and influential, but what exactly about his mapping style did people copy?

What is the Death Grips of doom wads?

>>6416348
terrywads

>>6416348
What the fuck do you even mean by this

>>6416348
What is Lilith.pk3 of movies?

>>6416015
I really don't understand people's obsession with making Quake 2 look like babby's first 3dsmax project.

>>6416085
Crispy has a screenshot hotkey, bind it in the setup.

>>6416375
All this time I was using Alt-PrntScrn in windowed mod. My whole life is a lie.

>>6416131
Honestly meticulously redrawn by hand HD texture packs are pretty good, the problem is the vast majority of HD texture packs aren't meticulously redrawn by hand but rather done by people who just go into google and grab the first 2048x2048 tileable texture they find that fits the general description of the texture they're trying to replace.

>>6416247
Some people REALLY hate GZDoom.

>>6416247
>>6416238
>>6416383
There's not all that much interesting you can do for true horror if you don't use some sort of advanced scripting language like Decorate, ACS, or ZScript.

>>6416327
ok

>>6416187
I want to not be able to see things, I'll just gouge my eyes out.

>>6416342
I dunno but I unironically tend to avoid maps made pre-Scythe unless I know they are good. Where did you hear that, btw? I heard KingDime say that during one of his GDQ runs

>>6416395
I also heard it from Dime.

>>6416387
Prove him wrong

>>6416383
That, and there are also people who:
-Are constantly on the go so cannot have a desktop PC
-Cannot afford a gaming/high end laptop
-Would like to play some content made for a '93 game, but can't do so because more than 70% of new content are made for GZDoom - not because they need UE4 graphics, but because it has become the de facto sourceport

>>6416369

>>6416408
>more than 70% of new content are made for GZDoom
I'm gonna need a citation for that chief.

>>6416393
Yeah I know.

>>6416420
Anon, the very mod we're arguing about has been just confirmed to be made for it. (>>6416247) Beside that, point to any mod in this thread that runs on, let's say, the original ZDoom, or Eternity Engine, or Doomsday, or EDGE, or Legacy, or whatever.

Half Life 1 is an overly long game with repetitive levels/filler throughout and sub-par shooting (not HL2 levels of bad shooting mind but the gunplay is at best unsatisfying and on hard just spongey enemies). The supposedly amazing marine AI is 90% hardcoding grenade throws and the like + voice lines that have no bearing on what they're actually doing so they seem smarter. There are a lot of weird TECHNOLOGY features like alien-specific AI that, while neat, you'll rarely even see and won't have any effect on your actual experience playing the game. Xen was actually a good way to freshen up the end of the game after endless bland/grey corridors.

You could cut out at least 1/3rd of the entire game and improve the overall experience without losing anything but filler. Much of the game is just walking down grey corridors fighting the same group of 2-3 enemies to flip a switch and while that's true of many classic FPS games they at least had some difficulty, competently designed shooting mechanics and enemy variety to keep it interesting.

>>6416434
I don't think the choice is between "mods made for a specific sourceport". I think the choice is between "WADs made for GZDoom versus WADs that work in limit-removing/Boom"

>>6416449
HL was just Quake(2) for nerds who couldn't identify with the Ranger or Bitterman, but easily did so with a quiet scientist.

>>6416434
>playing Doom with gameplay mods

>>6416408
My laptop cost me like 500€ years ago, is nowhere near gaming and it has one of those geforce gpus that are so low end they don't even share a name with the desktop line. It still has vulkan support and runs gzdoom without issues. People really like to overstate how demanding gzdoom actually is.
>-Would like to play some content made for a '93 game, but can't do so because more than 70% of new content are made for GZDoom
Bull fucking shit, unless you're talking specifically about gameplay mods that wouldn't be possible on the '93 game engine in which case what the fuck did you expect. The overwhelming majority of maps are boom compatible at worst.

>>6416457
So it's bad game with no redeeming qualities?.
Got it.

>>6416381
Yeah there probably are some good ones, but I don't remember any off the top of my head.What are some examples?

>>6416467
>€
>vulkan support
>furiously defends GZDoom
Hmmm, I wonder who could this be...

>>6415693
>You don't even know why you have those goggles.

>>6416472
not him but i don't kNOw who you're referring to

>>6416408
>because more than 70% of new content are made for GZDoom
I'd like to see you source those numbers. Most people don't make maps for GZDoom.

>>6416462
Yes.

>>6416449
>an overly long game
???
it's about 8 hours on first run, 5 on repeats, just like most of classic shooters

>>6416471
Not retro but the Resident Evil 4 HD project. The guys actually went through Spain finding the original objects and buildings that were used as the basis for the textures in the game and took pictures of them in order to recreate the textures. Of course it has taken much, much longer to make than your average HD texture pack so there's that.

>>6416301
why do these chaingunners look so...hexeny

>>6416484
new content != only maps

>>6416373
>modding is haram
go back to /v/ please

>>6416490
I would love to know where you pulled these numbers from. I've got 10 hours in HL1 on Steam and that was a single run I did after having replayed it countless times as a kid. I mean yes if I haul ass and try to get it over with in the absolute fastest time possible I could've shaved a couple hours off it but why would anyone play like that? Besides speedrunners, I mean.

>>6416504
What? Where did I say modding is bad?

>>6416457
I like making insane analogies too

>>6416506
same as you, from the timer on steam, 6 hours including fucking about with the settings and different versions. not rushing or anything.

the point wasn't to flex though, it was that it's the same length as literally every other FPS. if you finished it in 10, you likely finished all the other ones in about the same time, whereas it would've taken you, say, 20 for system shock, 30 for deus ex and 50 for borderlands or something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNINhsMR6-M

HL1 still is bad.

>>6416540
Still?

Protip:
Don't forget to put explosive barrels in your levels!

Now that I learned a few things about level design, I'm going to remake my very first attempt at map, and it'll be softlock hell.

>>6416504
He didn't say that, he just expressed that all the modern rendering stuff tacked onto Quake 2 doesn't make it look better, or really even good.
It's like when people slap 4k textures on the original Doom levels, it's just aesthetically abhorrent.

>>6416547
Yes

Is Scythe 2 easier or harder than Scythe 1?

>>6415507
Just play SW Classic Redux.

>>6416504
People are allowed to make things, and everyone else is allowed to criticize it

>>6415675
Hexen 2 has an animated underwater plant. Dont know how easy that would be to convert to Thief's format.

>>6416564
Harder

>>6416562
They why the fuck doesn't people create a Q2.5 or a AD for Q2?
the tools are there and you can even use Q1 industrial and underground textures in it, you can even use Noesis to Rip the Exclusive models from it.

Units with the idea of the Strogg Empire's conquest are a nice concept.
Even fucking Juggernaut had Ice and stone assets for its tunnel maps.

Quakewulf is the only one doing kino Stuff for Q2 Atm, and the game has a lot of potential for it.

>>6416587
Oh no

>>6416596
Oh yes

>>6416592
Because quake 2 is boring

>>6416604
Quake 1 is boring too with the saving grace as Q2 being the multiplayer, discord quake mapping fag.

>>6416592
>English text on Strogg crates
>And one of them is even mirrored

>>6416604
no u

>>6416608
Quake 1 comes with kino gothic medieval textures which allow for much better looking maps versus Q2's rusty metal everywhere.

>>6416615
thanks for proving that you never played quake 2

Why do hlfags have a hard time defending their game?

mods wake up and clean this shit up

>>6416628
Indeed, no Quake/HL shall be allowed in muh GZDoom thread!

Wait whats the UV equivalent in 64? I Own Doom! or Watch Me Die! Is there a way to switch between them freely in DOOM64 Ex or am i stuck on I own doom?

>>6416623
The only particularly varied environment in quake 2 were the two times you go to space. Everything else just looks dark and orange.

>>6416628
cope the game is objectively overrated.

>>6416639
Except this isn't Doom. Just because lightmaps are dark/orange, it doesn't mean the textures themselves are. Check them out in an editor, and you'll see.

>>6412546
I now I'm late, but GZ's limited palette shader + "vanilla" lighting + lowered res look fucking stunning. And arcadia.wad's blue tint is like a cherry on top.

>>6416646
Don't know why I replied to Screenshot Saturday, I'm not creating shit.

>>6416645
And? Even in quake 1, levels felt more distinct since there were different types of level themes with usually different sets of enemies. Everything in quake 2 just blends together and everything looking orange doesn't help with that either