/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6397739
Every good old school FPS always had a legendary first level. Daikatana has you fighting frogs, alligators, turrets and the most annoying flying enemy ever.

>>6397739
>it's not broken it's you who's shitty

>>6397739
Do explain why

>>6397739
Now THIS is contrarianism.

I never played Daikatana. Can anyone tell me what EXACTLY is so horrendous about this game, despite not living up to the hype?

>>6397775
Above all else it just doesn't feel good to play and has really annoying enemies and terrible friendly AI. The level design is boring too. One thing that is secretly really important to FPS games is how satisfying they are to play. They need good audio visual feedback and fun weapons and Daikatana mostly lacks both.

>>6397775
Terrible companion AI, unresponsive weapons, shitty enemy animations, annoying levels.

>>6397739
Sounds like you are Romero's bitch.

>>6397745
>the most annoying flying enemy ever
Aren't they basically just like the Unreal mosquitos?

>>6397802
Yeah but they constantly make horrendous buzzing sounds and your only weapon at that point is a projectile pea shooter that bounces off the walls and hurts you. And there's way more of them.

>>6397745
>Daikatana has you fighting frogs, alligators, turrets and the most annoying flying enemy ever.
It's a filter. That is what I mean. That first level is there with those enemies to filter people who aren't expert level at FPS.

>>6397765
>>6397769
Just play the game, Romero himself said this was the case. He wanted to create an FPS for people like him, for experts at the genre.

>>6397808
>Yeah but they constantly make horrendous buzzing sounds and your only weapon at that point is a projectile pea shooter that bounces off the walls and hurts you. And there's way more of them.
Sounds like you should have got gud. You didn't have any business playing it judging by your skill level and you got filtered hard.

>>6397739
Who would ever make a practical use sign like that Loading Dock one in the top left corner with a horrendous font like that? Just because it's the future doesn't mean everyone instantly wants to try to read scifi moon fonts

>>6397870
so why back it up with a massive media campaign and hype? popculture is not made of experts of the genre

>>6397874
I forgot to mention the pea shooter weapon also emits a constant low pitched hum when equipped. Honestly it's one of the worst introduction levels to a game ever.

>>6397883
The merit of the hum is subjective. Everything else is a filter for low skill players.

>>6397808
>your only weapon at that point is a projectile pea shooter that bounces off the walls and hurts you
you actually have to use this on the highest diffculty to destroy the turrets because you will otherwise die instantly. the entire game is just a giant meme on the limitations of FPS game design itself, but it ends up just getting dunked on by metroid prime anyway

>>6397895
>it ends up just getting dunked on by metroid prime anyway
Yeah, years later. Daikatana did it first.

That shotgun you get in the first chapter is atrocious. It's not even a real shotgun. It doesn't fire multiple pellets, it shoots one pellet and places a decal that gets rotated to give the illusion of multiple pellets

>>6397882
Wasn't really his call on that, there is a way bigger machine that depending on Romero during that period than just him and his own artistic goals for the game. The "About to make you his bitch" shit was the PRs totally out of touch idea on how to try to convey the expert level of the game but obviously failed miserably

>>6397895
>but it ends up just getting dunked on by metroid prime anyway
please explain

>>6397929
so picture it like this, daikatana is playing defense, they're in the key, and metroid prime is putting their shoulder in, backing them down, eventually metroid prime gets close enough and does a standing dunk over daikatana's head

>>6397775
It’s mostly the AI that’s bad. The rest of the game is pretty OK

>>6397739
>They're not bugs and glitches they're just EXPERTISE
The absolute state of Romero apologists

>>6397932
>so picture it like this, daikatana is playing defense, they're in the key, and metroid prime is putting their shoulder in, backing them down, eventually metroid prime gets close enough and does a standing dunk over daikatana's head

>>6397935
The absolute state of seething scrubs who got filtered by Daikatana.

>>6397947
>They're not bugs and glitches they're FILTERS
the absolute state of Romero apologists

Filtering is the biggest, shittiest new /v/ meme. Go the fuck back you inconsiderate fucks.

>>6397960
t. filtered by epic new memes

>>6397960
Casual filter has been around since 2014 at least you new faggot.

>>6397947
Ok John. Can you give us more examples of Daikatana being good and for experts

>>6397775
Bad AI, odd level design and dated graphics for when it came out.

It's actually not that bad. Had it come out a year or two earlier, it would be hailed as a classic and game changer.

>>6397775
It's fine with the 1.3 fan patch. Just disable companions and you get a decent retro shooter with lots of fun weapons.

>>6397775
>EXACTLY
romero actually made everybody his bitch

>>6397739
On release that game sucked first level due to:
shitty cutscenes
mosquitos

>>6397932
this is pretty good, but could you put it in a food analogy?

William Shatner's TekWar ™ is an expert level FPS. It's designed to be for experts, even at the lowest difficulties. The problem is you have far too many people who played and reviewed it who really had no business playing it or reading the epic literature tome it was based on with their skill level. It is in no way a bad game, just completely misunderstood.

>>6397789
>>6397792
>>6397934
>>6398363
>terrible friendly AI
>Terrible companion AI
>It’s mostly the AI
>Bad AI

At some point you have to wonder why the fuck they committed so heavily to a concept they couldn't execute properly. They had to know it wasn't working at a certain point and so they....what? Just figured no one would care?

>>6397874
whatever you say john

>>6397739
You forgot to mention it has excellent voice acting - with characters not being able to pronounce their own names.

>>6397739
When the first level of your FPS is a fucking swamp, you know something went horribly wrong. Swamp level is literally second worst next to sewer level.

>>6399095
Nah, TekWar is genuinely unplayable. Daikatana is no TekWar.

>>6398337
Literally the entire game. That is why so many reviewers and scrubs threw it down in frustration and shit on it, because they got completely destroyed by the first level

>>6397739
The state of /vr/

Hipster contrarians everywhere.

The game is okay at best and its shitiness is a product of its poor game design, not its difficulty.

>>6400392
>its shitiness is a product of its poor game design
And poor implementation. And poor decisions. And poor quality. And so on.

>>6397739
Oh boy Romero found /vr/. I can't wait for him to announce another big project that will definitely get him back in the game and won't disappear after the announcement.

>>6400420
And Romero deciding that his studio needed a massive penthouse

>>6397739
I'm thinking about getting it next Steam sale. Thanks for the recommendation op

I played Daikatana with the fan patch and I actually ended up having more fun with it than any modern shooter. With the bugfixes and ability to play the game without the AI companions you are left with a game that is a decent 90s FPS and not much else, I think most of the hate stems from the absolutely godawful N64 port.

>>6400392
>t. seething scrub who got filtered hard by the robo mosquitos in m1.

>>6397739
>NOOOO!!! YOU CAN'T JUST BE BAD AT GAMES!! You have to be an EXPERT to play it!! YOU have NO business playing this heckin gamerino!! The developers only want EXPERINOS to buy it! They only want a SMALL portion of the MARKET! STOOOP PLAYING!!

>>6397775
I'm a huge contrarian who hates mainstream games and gladly put up with garbage, and I recently booted up Daikatana TO PROVE EVERYONE WRONG and to clear Romero's name once and for all, but damn I uninstalled that shit after 10 minutes. It just broke my mind how every single aspect of a game can be so bad.

>>6397739
>t. Romero's bitch

>>6400073
>t. filtered by level exploration

>>6400739
You can play it I suppose, but you aren't going to have the experience Romero wanted because you're a scrub.

Also go back to/v/ with all that bullshiterino

Imagine being so low skilled you never get to enjoy one of the greatest and most challenging FPS experiences of all time.

>>6397868
>It's a filter.
Drop 4chinks before your thought process gets permanently ruined, please.

Daikatana was sort of the last hurrah of a certain early era of FPS where people actually got excited about weapon count and the number of types of enemies rather than basic campaign quality. I *do* love the well-balanced weapon-variety shooter (see: Unreal Tournament, Quake 3, Half-Life 1, most Insomniac games) but it's all about good level design and AI and general campaign/gameplay quality, not just omg so many weapons and so many enemy types. Daikatana basically throws in the kitchen sink on the number of weapons in the game but doesn't actually bother being good at stuff. The game was all about quantity over quality and tacked-on features that weren't well-tested or well-designed (cough cough, the companion AI).

>>6397870
This

>>6397789
How the fuck is the game being fun to play "secretly" important?

One of the most underrated shooters of all time for sure. I am hoping Romero will crowdfund an official HD remaster. I assume Square Enix owns the IP rights as they acquired Eidos so he would have to get them on board.

>>6401735
>actually believing Romero would do work or complete a crowdfunding project

>>6397739
It crashes whenever I save.

>>6402085
You have a bad copy.

>>6402091
Can I have yours?

>>6402094
It's signed by Romero and Tom Hall so no.

if only they didn't go for the rusty metallic artstyle

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>>6402140
Whoa I never saw these before. That art style is way better

>>6399117
Masters of Doom is a good source here. Romero blew a lot of money on things that weren't directly tied to the development of his game and nepotism is a bad business model for video games. He had to put in rules about deathmatch playing on company time, which was a huge fucking problem since the whole building was MADE to be one big LAN party. The bad press didn't help either. If it had released on schedule with half the features more competently executed it would have been fine. Or if he had said fuck that and opened up some kind of crazy computer megacafe with the building and funded his game with the profits to iron out the issues that would have been fine too. But he didn't think about that.

Carmack is a crazy person who fantasized a model for advanced engine rendering tech in the shower, but he had a very, very strong work ethic and tolerance for crunch that I don't think Romero really considered when he put together his company.

>>6402140
Looks suspiciously like John Romero dressed up as Ranger...

>>6402402
Wait til you learn that back at Id Romero ruined a game of D&D that they played for years by cutting a deal with a demon for a magic daikatana and in doing so destroyed the world.

>>6402408
Oh don't worry, I've read Masters of Doom, same as everyone else. I've always wondered how much of that D&D story is actual foreshadowing and how much is made up.

>>6401671
I said satisfying, not fun. You can feel satisfied without experiencing fun.

>>6397739
That's what multiplayer is for. Single-player is supposed to be designed for fun first and foremost, with difficulty levels adding more challenge to the base game