/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[5-2] https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/114119-the-zdcode-booth/
ZCode, a language intended to replace Decorate (?)

[5-2] https://www.moddb.com/mods/clusterbloom/downloads/clusterbloom-ver1-667?fbclid=IwAR3-cvF7li4clqcfaG4501TJOKoXLrmPGjuT7QnW_1dJz-66sFhJfx8mii0
"ClusterBloom is a compendium of rare maps with the craziest ideas you'll see in your whole life"

[5-1] https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=68428&p=1149505#p1149505
Austerity v3.0 RC1

[5-1] DBP23: Evil Egypt released https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/114095-dbp23-evil-egypt/

[4-28] Anon shares a map, Sundered Citadel
https://mega.nz/file/ZnYiHKBa#6ZWeaLgeplVO6PgCGmsPOL8_HyV1sSEETi8uCfb_VNo

[4-28] A new YouTube channel about mapping in Trenchbroom
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMkmAYBVLAC9jGIUD4LjacA

[4-28] Further work on a Doom port/remake on the Amiga 500
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvRxpxVRdEg

[4-28] More Quake Champions rips, guns
https://knockout.chat/thread/9182

[4-25] Anon releases Desolate, a Doom 64 Map (updated link)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4i01os0bbby9ayz/Desolate%20v1.1%20for%20real%20this%20time.7z?dl=0

[4-24] Anon shares a map, Funny Towers
https://mega.nz/file/lA9ljB7B#kSBT3dW8CEsoyzVncKHwjDnkX0mBXPfxmERDlmxRylU

[4-24] Anon converts a few midi tracks using various soundfont banks
>>6369212

[4-22] Doom Retro updated to version 3.5.5
https://www.doomretro.com/

[4-21] Trailblazer 1.5 is out
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=47494&p=1148021#p1148021

[4-19] Anon shares first map, Heavy March, looking for feedback
https://mega.nz/file/GZ1RSKpY#UQ1CCbPEzfRYQssh2SbHr9bOFKIJFREPpOz5--Aptqs

[4-19] Refracted Reality mapset now available for download
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/113801-release-refracted-reality-rc1/

[4-18] New companion mod by Skelegant, Gholazon X
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=68239

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Cave Doom when?

>>6390085
How many references to random stuff does Final Doom include?
I'm aware of the X Files theme in AAguy, the XCom shotgun for BTSXguy and the Touhou plasma rifle for JPCPguy

Getting tired of wooden doors. Some of the E3 maps had tech doors, so that's OK, right?

What game by the late 90s was considered the "Crysis" of its time, in the sense that it was a universal benchmark for PCs at the time due to how hard it was to do so at max settings?

Hexen good

>>6390138

Hexen best. Thanks, now I gotta replay it. Of course as the Fighter on Titan mode.

>>6390127
Hell in Doom can absorb and fuse different worlds, so i guess

>>6390138
goes on kind of long imo
fuck slaughtaurs
pretty damn great map design though, the world looks great, I love the trees with falling leaves

>>6390146
Ive done that. The hardest part by far is fighting those damn wendigos in the Guardian Of Ice with nothing but an axe and a few flechettes.

>>6390136
Unreal 1, I guess. This shit was hard to run even in 2001.

>>6390127
Go for it. Hell is what you make it, if you want a solid example, Shores Of Hell is mostly techbase with a bunch of hell creeping in here and there.
Naturally, you can also make doors out of flesh and bone.

What ever happened to Turok guy? I thought it looked cool

Someone draw Doomguy holding Pain Elemental in wall-slam .

So how did they make the alternating archvile pillars in map19 of sunlust as seen here: https://youtu.be/Ppq5x62YX5I?t=443
Looks like they're standing on some instant lifts but how did they set up the timer?

>>6390173
died at the start of 3d game

>>6390182
I meant the guy making the Turok mod

>>6390089
>ZCode, a language intended to replace Decorate (?)
If this happens i don't imagine how doomrla or final doomer will act, considering it's crime code...
but if that somehow will make it playable for zandronum... i don't imagine the things it might happen.

>>6390181
what prevents you from opening the map in DoomBuilder

>>6389498

>>6390214
German language was a mistake.

>>6390196
What the fuck am I reading?

>>6390196
Don't look at me, I thought Decorate was already finished and that ZScript was the new advanced language.

>>6390121
I believe the plutonia pistol sprites are edited from Powerslave's pistol

I am struggling with this window here. On one hand it offers a bit of a continuity between different layers. On the other hand, it offers a great opportunity to snipe revenants when they materialize on the platform while they are barely able to retaliate.

On the third hand, perhaps being smart enough to ambush revenants is a reward on its own?

>>6390226
It's not a reference, that revolver was a village bicycle of doom community for decades.

God, the Duke 3D/Build source code is such a piece of shit. Impossible to read and full of weird decisions.
Can't argue with the results, though.

>>6390239
Hello Karmack.

>>6390196
>>6390220
>>6390221
All ZDCode does is it compiles stuff written in it to DECORATE. At the end of the day, you're still using DECORATE, but the pre-compiled code """resembles""" ZScript. It's rather pointless because if you have the intelligence to work with ZDCode, which is pretty bad from what I saw, not gonna lie, you already have the intelligence to work with DECORATE. Ironically, coding in the latter directly is far more straightforward and simpler.

Is there a port like Crispy Doom but with support for 1080p?

>>6390164

Yeah, that's IMO the hardest, and probably the only truly hard part, of Hexen. Just gotta play carefully and hoard those flechettes and healing potions. Fuck whoever designed Wendigos. Aside from their cool looks and effects, they are just walking unavoidable damage.

>>6390097
>GENERAL KENOBI

>>6390184

I wanna know more. That looks amazing.

>>6390227
Always disliked those types of turrets. They're harmless most of the time and taking them down feels kind of dull

>>6390227

Put something nice into the window to gives it more value other than being just a turret? Put a hidden button nearby to let players grab that item and ambush the enemy inside of it as well.

>>6390168
It's really hard to believe sometimes that games like Doom Quake or Unreal were once hard to run for some people, depending on their rigs. Was it even possible to run Quake 1 at over 60 FPS with the best hardware for the time at max settings?

>>6390274
>>6390278
This window actually connects to a staircase you get access to if you turn right in the previous room and will have to go there anyway to get to the blacony and access teleport platforms for yourself. My concern is that it provides a well-depended camping post to kill revenants that infest the teleporting pillars (Seen here as low wooden structure)

>>6390282
Dunno about Quake, because my first PC was beefed up enough to run it no problem, but I remember Quake 2 and ESPECIALLY Unreal 1 to be a pain to run. I could barely scrape up 20 FPS in 1024x768 in software mode and a full blast from 8-Ball Gun would murder my framerate. Having a shitty TNT Rivia card didn't help.

>>6390173
>>6390184
>>6390271
>Posts tons of screenshots
>Ripped the models straight from the main games and not the remasters
>Even posted some videos featuring an Adon Boss fight
>Doesn't show up anymore
>Problably dead
>MFW

Every single time an anon posts something promising and impressive and won't see the light of the day.
It's even worse because I need more Turok.

>>6390268
Well, theyre actually a pretty reasonable enemy when you have a ranged attack and arent in a fast monsters skill.

>>6390214
>red computer thing
fusing hell and uac? nice

>>6390197
I want to discuss it with other like-minded individuals?

Here is your monthly reminder to play Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II

>>6390345
well do you

>>6385284
>>6387280
>>6385338
>>6385321
I disagree. Crispy also lacks
>Show alive monsters hotkey (which highlights demons x-ray style), to track down the remaining stragglers for 100%
>Looking at the automap with the arrow keys while in overlay mode with "follow player" turned off

That, coupled with the ones you mentioned of
>Does not support Boom
>Does not have an optional hardware renderer, so can't draw health bars over enemies like PRBoom+ can
Makes me still declare PRB the superior source port over Crispy.

If they both could be merged, jesus christ that would be amazing. I hope GrafBoom actually pulls that off.

>>6389498
My first time making a map. I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing, but I'm going with a theme of "map is boring grey hallways that open up into themed rooms". Everything in the 2D view is so much smaller in 3D than it appears and it throws me off.

>>6390478
>I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing

Doesn't matter. Just have fun with it

>>6390478
Yeah, I had problems with it as well. Remember that you are 32 units wide. The alignment on textures hurts.

>>6390478
>>6390501
Make sure you have a key set to autoalign, saves you a lot of time.

Any less known YouTube channels for retro FPS-centric content? Not necessarily straight runs like Dwars but more like decino in dissecting/reviewing/analyzing any and all aspects of these games.

>Took me 2 weeks looking for some spooky music for my map before plundering Silent Hill page on VG Music
I feel stupid.

>>6390519
>not just using Sign of Evil

>>6390463
>Show alive monsters hotkey (which highlights demons x-ray style), to track down the remaining stragglers for 100%
That would be a cheat code, but I suppose it could be a useful one, maybe even from a debugging standpoint.

>>6390528
That's what I'm using currently. Still deliberating if I should switch or not.

>>6390463
>Show alive monsters hotkey (which highlights demons x-ray style), to track down the remaining stragglers for 100%
> draw health bars over enemies
Both of these sound more like cheats than features.
>Looking at the automap with the arrow keys while in overlay mode with "follow player" turned off
This is almost certainly trivial to implement and I'm sure Fabian would be happy to accept your pull request.

>>6390535
I don't really care if you consider it a cheat code, when I'm going for 100% and an imp managed to get stuck in some crevice all the way across the fuck huge map you bet your ass I'm going to track that boy down with x-ray vision.

>>6389498
Pipes

Continuing that discussion about Chasm.
I decided to play Zrift as well and it's insane how much missed potential the original game has.
The sound design and models are great but they forgot to hire a mapper,hence it plays like crap.
I dare to say these enemy models are among the best of that era.

>>6390540
>health bars above enemies is cheating
Anyone who has played Doom for some time has a feel for approx how many shots from each gun it takes to kill a certain enemy. Knowing the exact percentage at any given time is not some huge game changing thing, it's just quality of life. Specially useful for getting very salty at dying to an enemy who you notice was at 1 HP or so in the deathcam

>>6390567
Is this like a mid texture?

>>6390586
The one in front of the light is, yeah.

>>6390538
It's a time honored tradition, but that doesn't mean you have to.

>>6390616
It looks weird, but it's probably just lighting.

so does HD not work with Lexicon? shit just crashes no idea why seeing how lexicon is nothing but a map mod.

"Well yes,my great grandfather massacred nazis and Hitler himself in a mech"

>>6390478
Pretty much how the average beginner map goes. Don't worry 'bout it.

>>6390630
Any error message? What GZDoom version?

>>6390478
I'd like to advice you to not have curved pillars with complex textures, they are impossible to align. Use something simple like REDWALL

>>6390646
never mind its workin that was weird tho.

i gotta admit tho this hideous destructor mod is interesting.

Why yes, I do hang a spine on my wall, why'd you ask?

Repostin'
https://www.strawpoll.me/19910247

>>6390673
i play them

>>6390657
It might crash again if you're on GZDoom 4.3.3. There is an engine bug that manifests when playing with HD. I suggest using a dev build if the random crashes start to piss you off. The bug was fixed two months ago or something.

>>6390585
>Anyone who has played Doom for some time has a feel for approx how many shots from each gun it takes to kill a certain enemy. Knowing the exact percentage at any given time is not some huge game changing thing, it's just quality of life.
This argument would be great if you only ever fought monsters 1 on 1 and the only way of dealing damage is directly hitting a monster with a shot.

>>6390673
>can't select multiple options
Terrible poll.

>>6390673
Continuous, UV or HMP depends on what mapset, anything with a reputation for high difficulty I usually play on HMP, which sometimes pans out, and sometimes doesn't.

Mutiny I found was pretty hard for me on HMP, but not too hard, it was very much the kind of challenge I wanted. Perdition's Gate was advertised as being exceptionally hard on UV, so I picked HMP as its readme suggested it would be more than hard enough there, but found myself very disappointed.
I usually play the iwads on UV, which is where they're most fun.

>>6390669
The walls are made of bones and flesh on the inside, a piece just fell off.

>>6390720
Or are the bones and flesh made of wall? They scream, for they do not know.

>>6390673
UV pistol start no saves gang represent

>>6390136
Quake literally put 3D cards in home systems. That was the turning point where software rendering stopped being the norm.

>>6390136
>>6390168
>>6390282
>>6390789
Doom, Quake, Unreal and Half-Life were all strong draws for upgrading computers in their day. Quake has a lot of fame for driving the market for 3D hardware, but a lot of people upgraded their computers or replaced them for the other games as well.
It was a really crazy decade in terms of technical development, actually.

>>6390694
I used to do that but HMP balancing seems to be very hit or miss, oftentimes you can tell the map was designed for UV and then the mapper just went and replaced all the archviles with zombiemen for HMP, tossed a bunch of megaspheres around, and called it a day. When a map is too hard for UV no saves I'd rather use saves before/after hard parts than drop to HMP.

Daily remember that Tom is king and his maps with sandy are the best maps from Doom.

I want to set up a mood for my map by making player take teleporter at the beginning and then come back. Right now I've actually set up a linedef that opens doors from the starter area across the receiving teleporter, so I it effectively triggers when you come back. Is this dumb? This seems dumb.

>>6390830
*Reminder

>>6390834
If what you're saying is the doors open at the same time the player teleports back so that the player can see said doors open then yeah it sounds neat.

>>6390673
Nightmare only pistol start no saves without double ammo with 10x mod

>>6390830
Definitely one of my favorite maps. Isn't the first one with the berserk pack, too?

>>6390478
still better than that guy from like 3 threads ago who made a map so bad that everyone shat on him consistently and called it a Mock wad or D!zone thing.

>>6390282
No, you could at best get an FPS lock at half the refresh rate.
There aren't even really options to choose from. The best you can do it change the resolution, and this is already the very lowest (unless you also reduce the screen size).
This is in spite of Pentium-specific assembly optimizations that went into Quake.

>>6390849
Actually I meant it opens off-screen, but starting on return is better.

New map I'm working on. Part of a two maps project.

>>6390875
Is this purple thing sky?

>>6390889
ye

>>6390875
Looks like we'll be getting purple rain.

>>6390875
>>6390898
Very Quake-ish, neat.

>>6390875
really like the colors

>>6390898
You utter lunatic.

>>6390857
First with Berserk, first with lost souls, first with crushers, first without zombies.
This map is legendary, design is superb and the atmosphere is just perfect

I've checked out everything in the quickstart archive and I gotta ask
Is there no, like, good WAD manager? The ones that look like babys first UI project and don't have a good way to work with a large library really don't cut it

>>6390934
ZDL works fine to me

>>6390085
>>6390089
I found a way to fix the problem in PR/GLBoom+ with the status bar that was annoying me and other anons.

Now if you have color numbers turned on, both the status bar and the Alt-HUD will tell you the last color of armor you picked up. It no longer depends on amount%, only on which kind (blue/green/none) you're wearing. Basically, it now behaves like Crispy's colored HUD does. No longer will the blue armor suddenly display as green if it dips below 100, and no longer will the green armor suddenly display as blue if it goes above 100.

I will submit a pull request soon, but full disclaimer I have no idea what I'm doing and I don't know if the fix messes something else up.

>>6390937
ZDL is nice but I really feel like there should be something that doesn't require me to open up a file browser every time I wanna register new mods, as opposed to having like two columns to move things between on and off

i fuckin love doom, why is doom so good bros

I was starting work on a wad manager awhile ago but ended up dropping it pretty quick because I assumed there wouldn't be much interest, and coming up with something well designed for managing WADs is actually surprisingly difficult. Every time I thought I figured out a good way of designing it, I realized some major flaw that made it suck.

>>6390972
Major flaw from a technical standpoint or in concept?

>>6390976
In concept. Everything ends up being too simple, and sacrifices usability if you need more than really basic wad loading, or too complicated and sacrifices usability if all you need is really basic wad loading.

Top 5 soundtracks of Doom? (TNT, Sigil included)

Recomend me a nice hud that show full screen and has the status face.

>>6391008
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=63863

>>6390992
Doom 1
Sigil
Doom 2
TNT
Plutonia

e5m2 and e5m4 are the best songs from sigil

>>6390982
My dream wad manager/launcher
>can assign wads tags/categories ("mod", "tc", "single map", etc)
>can browse wads in tabs
>can select from different engines to launch
>drag wads into a pane and launch them when ready, can save combinations

>>6390967
Because there's nothing better than fighting the devil.

Here's your Icon of Sin bro.

>>6390992
e1m1
e1m4
e1m7
e1m8
e1m9
e2m1
e2m2
e2m8
e3m1
e3m8
Map1
Map4
Map29

All of these are great

>>6391038
Thanks bro looks great

>>6390992
Into Sandy's City, 5 times.

>>6391038
His naked version is better

>>6391027
You talking about midis or Buckethead?

>>6390890
HDoom looks like THAT?

>>6391050
Midi, I didn't bought sigil

>>6390982
As many qualms as I have with their sites, the way Nexus Mod Manager work's for some games (namely bethesda titles) seems like an amazing blueprint to use

>>6390673
UV continuous, pistol start on death, saving only in case it crashes or something.

>>6391058
Don't have to buy it to get the OST, there's a link in the OP for it if you're interested but I prefer the midis either way, feels like they fit better for their levels. With that said, yeah I really dig e5m2 midi. Sounds really tense, with the right dose of suspense and almost horror like vibe, but the right amount of beat that calls to action.

Hey what are some cool new maps or mapsets that have come out since the last cacowards? I'm gonna be honest and say that's most of where I get my maps.

>>6391081
I already heard the buckethead version on YouTube and I still prefer the midis, e5m2 music is truly awesome

>>6391029
Can't DoomLauncher do every one of those things?

>>6391136
Ive tried that but
1. you have to manually add your wads (instead of pointing it to a directory)
2. it copies all your wads into zips (undesirable for multiple reasons)

>>6391091
>Ater Fieri
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/a-c/aterfier
>Doomer Boards Project 20: Dungeons and Demons
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/d-f/dbp20_dnd
>Doomer Boards Project 21: Occult Secrets of the Third Reich on Mars
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/thread/112484
>Doomer Boards Project 22: Biotech is Godzilla
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/d-f/dbp22
>Doomer Boards Project 23: Evil Egypt
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/d-f/dbp20_dnd

What's up with the Doomer Boards? I was browsing doomworld a while ago and apparently there's some drama regarding them or whatever?

Made a playthrough video of Map05 of 100 minutes of /vr/.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8Ck_G0Hjl8

>>6390972
my 2 cents
nothing beats command line / batch files in flexibility, but the problem is that you end up with hundreds of them with no way to sort through
a perfect frontend would simply be a sortable table of shortcuts with customizable columns. it can even be game-agnostic, would work for quake and whatnot just as well as for doom. doesn't even have to be game-related at all, but somehow I couldn't find any programs like that

most other common features such as switching ports or autoloading mods can already be done either through configs or command line variables, so in the end while possibly nice to have, they are just extra bloat. if the "database" of this hypothetical frontend is plaintext, all of that could also be a single "search and replace" away

>>6391148
Thanks bro!

>>6391153
>doomworld
>drama
Color me surprised.

>>6391153
I didnt follow the whole story but as far as I understand it was created as an alternative to DW because some good people (like 40oz of UAC Ultra fame) were banned.
If theres any "drama", its probably just DW people assuming nonsense about DB since they arent there to defend themselves.

>>6391160
This is actually a really good idea, an ingeniously simple one too. The program could be able to read the shortcuts themselves, recognize individual elements/commands and allow you to quickly change them through a simple gui. Pretty much a frontend to make editing batch files faster. With the plus of being able to associate tags, images and description with the shortcuts and wads.

For example you have a shortcut and the only thing you want to change is the pwad it loads. You simply pick the shortcut from the list, or even have an option to easily clone it, then you click at one of the recognized elements listed on some kind of a sidebar, in this case the pwad that you want to replace. As you click it, the gui shows a list of other pwads you have previously provided through directory paths. All of these pwads can be listed, sorted and filtered to previously assigned tags/metadata. Once you're done, you simply click save and the shortcut/batch file is edited. Of course the frontend would allow you to edit the raw text too. All the additional setting like tags, descriptions etc. would be saved in the frontend's settings file.

Man this sounds great.

>>6390972
Bloody hell anon please do this! Just don't forget about us once your rise to the top.

Have to admit Duke3D textures + The Way ID Did really makes Doom look different.

>>6391140
>2. it copies all your wads into zips (undesirable for multiple reasons)
Why the fuck would it do this? Wouldn't this just add more overhead for engines that don't support zips (which I'm pretty sure is most of them)?

>>6391231
Having a simple bash script solves all this. I don't know if it's awkward for Windows-friends to use those though

I just swap gzdoom configs around with cp and mv lol

>>6391262
jesus christ what the fuck are you doing anon
you have the power of automating everything via scripting at your fingertips and you instead do this every single time?

>>6391160
>>6391231
One of the ideas I had was fairly similar to this, and it was actually one of the ones I was more happy with. Essentially just glorified bash scripts with a wad browser.

>>6391257
If people wanted to fiddle with that they wouldn't ask for a simple to use front end in the first place. Especially on windows.

>>6390673
HMP shotgun only, no other weapons allowed

>>6391286
typing the name of the wad you want to play is not simple?

>>6391267
It takes me less than 10s to do it by cycling through the history and using auto-complete. Invoking a script would barely save time, on top of being less versatile.

>>6391298
>10s
That's forever

>>6391290
well what if I played it a decade ago and don't remember the name? what if I want to filter by author? etc etc.

>>6391290
It's not when you have a few dozen of them, plus the source ports. I'm not trying to say that method is bad, but it's not what I and many other would prefer.

>>6391148
Double thanks. I've been trying to burn off some steam via Live Through Doom, which tl;dr it's brutal doom's features + survival horror and minor aspects of SUAB/Hideous Destructor. It still needs a ton of work and is in progress (there's a via crafting system that does nothing atm and the flashlight decreases ludicrously fast), but when it works it fucking works.

>Picture not related or the same mod

>>6390217
Deine Existenz ist ein Fehler

I noticed when playing on GZDoom that when I turn on the map that it shows the numbers of enemies and number of secrets left to find even if I didn't find the automap. Is this how vanilla worked or is GZDoom adding features that was not part of vanilla? I don't really want to give myself any cheating advantages but if that was how vanilla worked then I guess I'm OK with it.

>>6391360
vanilla doesn't show any numbers with or without automap, nor does it notify you upon discovering a secret
I don't see how any of that is cheating. spoilers maybe (can't gauge how far you are into the map) but not cheating

>>6391343
And a Guten Tag to you as well,random german person.

>>6391343
Is Moorhuhn any good?

Who's the best enemy and why's Revenant?

>Not a bullet sponge and not so weak, It's just right
>Agile
>3 attacks (missile, homing missile and punch)
>Cool design

You can't deny.

>>6391410
Second only to the Archie. A single Archvile instantly changes a fight, it's kinda nuts.
Of course the problem is people often misuse both monsters.

>potentially interesting topic

>scroll down and the first post is a wall of text from redneckerz

>>6390690
This. If I could, I would've voted UV Continous no saves (pistol start at death) AND UV Pistol start saves at key points.

>>6391410
They're the only Doom 2 enemy that is still fun to fight even with the regular shotgun.

>>6391410
He's great. He's also funny, which is another bonus.

>>6391410
>>6391440
>>6391446
Also best enemy for Berserk punchout matches.

>>6390694
>Perdition's Gate was advertised as being exceptionally hard on UV, so I picked HMP as its readme suggested it would be more than hard enough there, but found myself very disappointed.
To be fair, Perdgate UV probably was hard for the time it was released in (1996). Final Doom released around the same time, and Tom Mustaine (or other people involved at Wraith) might not have had a chance at playing Plutonia yet for comparison.

>>6391410
They're just so versatile. It's honestly no wonder why mappers use them a lot.

>>6391456
I'll give it that, but it still was a real blueballer. TNT punched harder on HMP.

Reposting my 12gig newfag-friendly pack of Doom mods.
I know most people here already have their Doom set up, this pack still can interest someone. At least 2 seeders are available almost 24\7.

This is a sort-of continuation of my Cacowards pack I've posted back in 2016.
Contains most wads mentioned in Cacowards (even just briefly), including Top 100 wads list, and a whole bunch of other wads. All playtested to be at least be playable, for every wad I've made screenshots and made\installed patches if those were required to run wads properly. Even though majority of wads came from /idgames archive, quite a few of them weren't.

Download link and full description:
https://pastebin.com/RCWPMJYx

Unpack DoomPack.7z and download torrent into the GameFiles folder.

>>6391483
>>6390089

Anyone make good angled Doom Eternal weapon sprites yet?

>>6391360
>I don't really want to give myself any cheating advantages but if that was how vanilla worked then I guess I'm OK with it.
Vanilla didn't have this at all.
Its also not really cheating so much as they're more for speedrunners who want to do a UV Max run, IMO.
I prefer to have them off, as I feel they provide too much information, and can effect how I play, even blind. I'd rather finish a level with 66% secrets and go "ah well, maybe next time", than to reach the exit, and refuse to leave because I only have say 2/3 secrets.

>>6391515
What. This is awesome. Is there more?

>>6391527
Unfortunately no.
It's made by an artist and modder of classic Fallout
https://www.deviantart.com/red888guns

>>6391478
Perdition's Gate was pretty much a rushjob, so they likely didn't really playtest the lower skill levels.

>>6391360
Use Crispy Doom for your first vanilla playthrough. GZDoom is primarily for gameplay mods and modern features.

>>6391570
This. GZDoom also changes the movement, weapon switching, hitboxes/collision, etc. and other stuff that can't be changed back to normal.
On top of that it also a lot of stuff that can be difficult or a time-waster to change, that beginners didn't know wasn't featured in the original game, like texture/sprite filtering and jumping/crouching (I actually thought the OG Doom featured both of these for a long time, and abused both of them).

>>6391038
the chad icon of gains

How do you go from this...

>>6391504
Embers of Armageddon has an Eternal addon with some very rough WIP stuff, I’m assuming the sprite work is going to be updated eventually so keep an eye out

...to this?

>>6391616
>>6391621
Healthy diet and working out

>>6391621
SSGOMAD + Darkholme Technique

>>6391616
>>6391621
By staying on Earth for a couple hours

>>6390673
> top choice by far is UV continuous with saves
almost like people care about having fun more than they care about proving something to literal nobodies on the ass-end of the internet

>>6391663
shut the fuck up you you fucking toaster you owe me a significant timeskips worth of game

>>6391673
You again?

STOP BULLYING SAMUEL HAYDEN

Not retro, goodbye.

Not good, retrobye.

When did the full version of Doom ship? If 1994, does that make it a 1993 game (for the shareware release), or a 1994 game (for the full release)?

>>6391673
Believe it or not, but some people do in fact have fun when playing pistol start and/or no saves, and aren't doing it to impress anyone.

>>6391756
The shareware version is a 93 game demo of a 94 game and the full release is a 94 game.

>>6391756
Shareware was December 10, 1993
Registered was December 16, 1993

>>6391779
Damn guess I should fact checked before hasty making my above post. Ignore this post >>6391774

>the yellow key in ancient aliens map26
lolwat

Is there any way to have the half life OST in the WON version without a CD?

>>6390085
Any good horror mods to recommend? Or any that give the game a creepy/horror atmosphere?

>>6391673
>12 votes for continuous with saves
>10+6+3 votes for pistol start (some saves, no saves, savescum respectively)
I don't judge people for playing continuous but you're silly for arguing like this is some consensus

>>6391440
The chaingunner is fine against the shotgun, I'd argue the hell knight is also fine though it's pushing it due to how meaty it is.

>>6391936
Chaingunner can still rip a bit of health while you cock the shotgun, if he manages to survive a point-blank shot (which is most likely). It's even worse if you miss most of the pellets from the SSG due to a fuck up while aiming or the shots magically go through him (a bug that happens way too often for me overall), he can wipe out most of your HP while you reload.

>>6391936
I like Hell Knights being used as minibosses in close quarters against shotgun players.

Who was in the wrong here?

>>6391992
both of them
demon bastards

>>6390673
I am too young to die with saves.

>>6391883
Yes. Use this https://www.play-old-pc-games.com/compatibility-tools/_inmm-dll-tutorial/ but get an updated version from here https://community.pcgamingwiki.com/files/file/107-patched-_inmmdll/.. You'll need to either rip the music from an HL .iso or find it on the net. To easily rip the tracks you can use this simple tool https://www.gog.com/forum/quake_series/my_oneclick_audioextractor/page1, it works for any game not just Quake.

>>6392038
Not that anon

Not sure what the objective here is, but my guess is that this going to make the music not stop after loading sections?

>>6390673
Used to UV with no saves permadeath within a mod was really fun and intense shit.

Now I've been reduced to the point by bullshit difficulty and scenarios that HMP on brutal difficulty mods, with a resurrect whenever a death feels unavoidable or RNG based.

>>6391140
>2. it copies all your wads into zips (
Okay that's fucking awful for space reasons. MY doom folder is nearing half a gig now and that would just make shit worse.

>>6391287
God that sounds so fucking boring.

>>6391992
Mastermind, hell doesn't have libraries you fucking idiot

>>6391241
It unpacks wads from zips into Temp folder before launching, then deletes it after playing.

>>6392091
There was a library in one of the Master Levels

>>6392094
Think about the scale of those books v.s. the size of the demons

>>6392091
>hell doesn't have libraries you fucking idiot
What is Monster Condo?

>>6392116
>What is Monster Condo?
A condo

>>6392116
monster condom lmao

>>6392091

>>6392087
My doom folder is 15GB

>>6392181
> My wad is bigger than yours

>>6392085
>with a resurrect whenever a death feels unavoidable or RNG based.
I used to do this myself around 10 years ago, but found resurrecting eventually became a crutch that allowed for a careless playstyle, and made finishing levels feel very unrewarding.

>finding the clue for the code combination in Blood's carnival level

intellect

Maximum Doom is the name given to bonus content distributed with the Master Levels for Doom II in 1995. It consists of 1830 amateur PWAD files of varying quality downloaded from the Internet (191 for Doom, 1629 for Doom II and 10 for Heretic). Many of these files are still available, for example on the idgames archive. Some contain copyrighted material, such as sound files from television programmes such as Monty Python's Flying Circus and The Simpsons.

https://youtu.be/AlqofsQores

>>6392345
Fuck off

>>6392345
Please lets not.

>>6392345

>>6392345
>when she mimics the unf

>>6392345
God, that face rigging sucks. The avatar is barely moving its mouth to the inhuman noises behind the webcam.

>>6392327
I remember when Tarnsman was marathoning through that in twitch a while ago.

>>6392437
Could that man be still alive after such an ordeal?

>>6391038
post ass

>>6392198
> desert eagle + standalone m203
guns duke shouldve actually had

>>6392437
I don't know if it was part of Evolution of the WAD, but I remember Tarnsman and a few others doing a playthrough of a (maybe shovelware) map while reading fanfiction about how awful this one brand of cereal was, I think it was Kix.
I don't remember how long ago I watched it or what channel it was even on, but it was something.
I wish EotW and Intermission came back, they were comfy background noise.

>>6390972
>>6391231
>>6391160
We need a launcher that is basically Rocket Launcher, but can scan a directory with all the sub directories for wads both in regular and archived form.

Then perform an analysis based on the content, and assign proper tags.
Has Dehacked file? Decorate? Mark it. Check if Limit removing/boom/ZDoom -based port is required.
Has maps inside? Write down the quantity, and which maps are replaced.
It has DECORATE/ZScript that changes/adds a monster class? Add "Monster mod" tag.
Has code that adds/changes weapons? Add "Weapon mod" tag.
And so on.
Sure it'll take a while for it to gather all the data from hundreds of files, but it only has to do it once.

After that make it download screenshots from wad-archive. Better yet, integrate wad-archive's API so that users can upload/download screenshots to it right from the program. Make it redirect the written screenshots to the wads directory if player wants (after play session check for new files in specified directory according to source port, move all new image files wherever, upload them to WAD-archive)

Add user rating system that can be integrated with /idgames or your own stuff, with score breakdowns.

Integrate Duke, Blood, Shadow Warrior, Quake, Quake 2, Unreal/Tournament support.

Get praised for making best launcher ever.

>>6392504
Why more fragmentation when you can contribute to the already existing projects?

>>6392504
>we need a piece of software that can launch any retro FPS game that is also perfect in every single way
if only

I'm eight maps through Eternal DOOM at this point and goddamn it is exhausting. Any recommendations for a wad with bite-sized levels? I feel like I need to play something else in between each level, they're good levels (MAP08's teleporting cyberdemon that stalked you and at points helped you was pretty tense)

I'm eight maps through Eternal DOOM at this point and goddamn it is exhausting. Any recommendations for a wad with bite-sized levels? I feel like I need to play something else in between each level, they're good levels (MAP08's teleporting cyberdemon that stalked you and at points helped you was pretty tense) and the visuals in particular are consistently pretty great but even the ones that don't have complete bullshit hidden switches feel like they tire me out.

Memento Mori 2 isn't that good.

>>6392565
>Any recommendations for a wad with bite-sized levels?
Demonfear

>>6392583
What 90's era wads would you say are better?

>>6392327
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG8ud_dixhU

>>6392637
Midi aside, that actually looks like a decent map for the time.

https://www.deviantart.com/red888guns/art/Fallout-3D-1997-835912450

>>6392656
Damn Bethesda really misunderstood the aesthetic and tone of the original fallout

>>6392660
I've seen some analysis of the setting
Basically Fallout 1,2, tactics, New Vegas =
>Future like people of the 60's seen it, but then bombs fell on it.
>People risen from ruins and started to clean up and rebuild, some returned to tribalism, others to feudalism
>most of the useful scrap was repurposed.

BethFallout
>Literally 60's, sprinkle some futuristic tech in there. Bombs fell on it.
>People crawled up from the ruins and started to live in those ruins without rebuilding or cleaning anything up for centuries.

Visually Bethesda's Fallout looks like bombs fell like 15 or so years ago at most.

>>6392656
> your revolver so big it needs a foregrip

>>6392673
That's a big iron, if I ever saw one.

Hmm. What if an entire room, filled with this?

>>6392671
>>People crawled up from the ruins and started to live in those ruins without rebuilding or cleaning anything up for centuries.

That reminds me of NPCs that would eat and sleep with random skeletons in 4. There was even a mister handy floating around, that thing couldn't be bothered to clean up all the dead bodies?

>>6392704
what's this, some abstract gay demon pool party?

>>6392739
Yes.

Comfy

>>6392671
More like both 1950s and 60s but the point stands.
Part of the charm is seeing how people reacted after the nuclear war. Every character had a reason on why they were like that and it wasn't just for being a gimmick character like Bethesda Fallout.Which makes you wonder how the hell they believe to make it out alive in these wastelands.

Take Hiroshima and Nagasaki,they've managed to get back on track in less than a century.
While there's lack of recources given the war,you would expect more from goddamn future civilization.

>>6392737
If it was ghouls it would make sense but there's also a guy who sells baseball bats and wears a baseball player outfit and talks like a stereotypical fan of said sport.
He looks so out of place within the world like there isn't a destroyed city or something.

This is why Fallout 4 is seen more as a mod dumpster.

>>6392795
That looks so nice. What mods?

>>6392565
preacher.wad

>>6392625
doom.wad

>>6392803
Maps: Lost Civilisation (cacoward 2019, well deserved, one of the best wads I played in 2010-2019)
Mods: DAKKA (http://git.jinotra.in/ijon/dakka)) , ZRadar (https://gitlab.com/accensi/zradar)) , my own crosshair.

Made a playthrough video of Map06 of 100 minutes of /vr/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzsyXWXK2aE
A very difficult map for me. Sure, it's probably a piece of cake for the pros, but I had a lot of trouble with it. Have to say, this is why I love pistol starting, it makes ammo management and routing important and very different from continuous playthroughs. I wish I recorded my practice run, I managed to chainsaw a spider mastermind.

>>6391565
It shows, the last part in particular is just awful. Shame too, because I think it had some good potential.

For some reason this makes me think of Heretic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlqofsQores

>>6392849
For the first time in history a Japanese person sees first-person shooter.

>>6392849
Please nuke Japan, again.

>>6392849
Why does its mouth closes only halfway even when it says consonants

Having to do shit twice for fullscreen and status bar HUDs is a fucking pain in the ass. I wish we had a real time editor for SBARINFO stuff.

>>6392882
why is there space pirate health pickups

>>6392897
At the time, Space Pirate was stuck in limbo and I asked Marty if I could use them.

>>6392882
Why does knoife icon loocs like meat

>>6392872
Have you tried to be calm?

>>6392878
I think the lipsync software most of these Japanese streamers use is just not particularly precise, optionally their models have limited range, or the software can only interpret so much and pass it on to the model, etc.

Kizuna Ai had much better lipsync and facesync, though a lot of her stuff was preproduced too, and there was a production team. There was also like four or five different women doing her voice.

>>6392919
>had
>was
What happened?

>>6392849
What a heckin cute pupper!

>>6392928
Think her production company was bought by some Chinese one, and they commercialized her much more, and made special content for the Chinese market which the rest of the market didn't care for. The original voice actress might have quit by that point too.
It's pretty hazy to me, don't take my word for it.

>>6392947
WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT THIS WEEB SHIT, GET THE FUCK OUT!

>>6392960
>Anon makes a question
>Anon answers
>"WHO THE FUCK CARES"

Plus you're on 4chan,which is filled with weeb stuff.

>>6392960
Don't be such a sobbing bitch, anon.

>>6392960
THIS IS WEEB SITE MADE FOR WEEBS
YOU GET THE FUCK OUT

You know, I'm doing Doom 2 no-save walkthrough right now, and I realized that I actually kinda like city levels.

>>6393184
What map?

He say
>Hump yo mum

what say you?

>>6393209
>>6392810
Map 08

I play Going Down like it's a survival horror : I get the key ASAP then fuck off to the elevator. I feel like it's pretty adequate considering the short levels and the lack of ammo towards the end of the maps.
Or maybe I'm just coping because I can't 100% the maps.

>>6393212
yo fatter than yo mom

>>6393212
so long incest bowser

Is chaingunner the best monster to encourage player to shoot something?

>>6393285
Archvile
Chaingunners can be encouraged to infight.

>>6390830
Sandy made those maps what they are, Tom just left lazy half assed half done levels for him to work with.

>>6393321
Most of the levels Tom left were altered by Sandy (and some by Romero) and had a lot of work done on them, but I'm pretty sure that he put in the most work into E2M2, and Sandy didn't have to rework that level nearly as much.

>>6393330
Perhaps. Tom just seemed in the completely wrong headspace for DOOM and never had his heart in it after his story ideas were shit on.

>>6393336
Well he was growing apart from the group (and it was a pretty volatile group, actually, if you look at how it turned with Quake).
I think his misplaced focus on trying to make Doom more realistic would lead to him doing the exact opposite when he went on to Rise Of The Triad, and he decided he would make it as crazy and arcadey as the engine would allow.

I do actually love the faint pseduo-realism left in the maps Tom started, because they contrast so well with the fantastic abstraction Sandy and Romero put into them.

>>6392849
>>6392941

When asked if he was involved with all the drama at iD with Romero during the development of Quake:
>"Oh, iD was pretty much a nest of drama queens during that time."

Is there a single man more based than Sandy Peterson? He just wanted them to shut the fuck up so he could make games.

>>6393351
Considering he went on to having a hand in AoE II, he's pretty based already.

>>6393346
>I think his misplaced focus on trying to make Doom more realistic would lead to him doing the exact opposite when he went on to Rise Of The Triad, and he decided he would make it as crazy and arcadey as the engine would allow.
That makes sense actually, I always thought it was a weird 180 from wanting to do a somewhat serious game and getting upset the guys didn't like his ideas and leaving to making something as absolutely fucking batshit as Rise of the Triad directly after.
>I do actually love the faint pseduo-realism left in the maps Tom started, because they contrast so well with the fantastic abstraction Sandy and Romero put into them.
Yes, I remember Romero saying they went for realism first and got books on military bunkers and shit for reference but it was just bland and boring level design and how he said it was like something just clicked when he started going for the more abstract level design and realizing this style was it and really suited the game itself better.

>>6393359
He has been involved with tons of massively successful and influenctial games over the year, dude is quite amazing and is still going strong and sharp as a tack on his YouTube channel

>>6393365
I highly recommend the Matt Chat that features Sandy, I love listening to the guy talk, he is just so knowledgeable and you can feel that he just truly loves games.
https://youtu.be/f58rlLKGBfk

>>6390673
Is there still no way to do pistol starts in GZDoom?

>>6393374
You bind a key to
map *
and when you press that key it will pistol start the map you're in.

>>6393374
Before I found mods that do it, I used to bind "nextmap" to an obscure key and press it during intermission screens.

>>6392807
>doom.wad
yawn

>>6393374
>>6393375
There's also an "IDCLEVer" mod that pistolstarts automatically.

>>6393413
It doesn't break anything, right? Can I add it to autoload safely?

>>6393423
It obviously breaks maps that are designed for continuous play without pistolstart

>>6393423
It adds its own menu entry where you can enable or disable it.

>>6393287
Archvile is 50/50 there, it will just as often make you scram. Chaingunners with their lower durability encourage shooting them fast a lot more.

>>6393471
I'll just put both in different parts of the room.

Fucking lower textures defy all good sense.

Why is Scythe so good bros

>>6393428
Such maps are extremely rare.

>>6389498
Ripped a .44 Automag last week or so, and tested the sprites with some R667 magnum. Nailed it.

>>6393351
>He just wanted them to shut the fuck up so he could make games
I'm not sure he would put it quite like that. He had a lot of input on all kinds of development, because when you're a small team of creative guys from all walks of life like that, everyone doubles as The Ideas Guy, and there's conflict.

Sandy alleges that someone wanted to scrap the shotgun, but he opposed it vocally because it filled a good niche and he felt it was a satisfying weapon. Then there's a bunch of other input here and there in weapon design and monster design, the Arch-Vile is vaguely based on some of his ideas (and nightmares), he also says it was his suggestion to make the BFG9000 to fire single projectile doing damage over a wide area, rather than just a stream of plasma balls.
The Icon Of Sin was something he came up with as a compromise, as he didn't get to have some sort of new monster made, which he wanted to use as a final boss. He had Adrian repurpose the existing Baphomet drawing (previously only used as a texture), and it was at least SOMETHING to put at the end of Doom 2.

He really had quite a lot of input on the game overall, even if he's not a dramaqueen like the others, which was probably because he was older than them and more mature.

>>6393359
He's an accomplished oldschool nerd, wrote famous pen & paper modules, worked on a bunch of famous games, etc.
He was one of forces driving for evangelizing the works of H.P Lovecraft with his Call Of Cthulhu game. When he was a kid, he was his favorite author, but nobody knew who he was, and it was difficult to find his works at the time.

>>6393361
>Yes, I remember Romero saying they went for realism first and got books on military bunkers and shit for reference but it was just bland and boring level design
I recall the way he put it was that 99% of the time, those places are just conventional concrete boxes and rectangles, so for this advanced new technology they had which could do all kinds of shapes and angles, the first few tests looked remarkably similar to Wolfenstein 3D, which obviously wasn't as impressive or as exciting as what they wanted.

not sure if this belongs in /vr/ but footage of a
prototype of a Duke Nukem DS game had surfaced on YouTube today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07U5eWDiJ-Q

>>6393602
Looks good so far, but it still looks like an image rip rather than something converted to Doom's sprite pallet, or whatever the process of making proper sprites from images is called. I'd suggest doing that but only if you wanna take it a little farther.

>>6393638
And all that just to have id go "lmao heaven is evil too and now you kill it! Rip and tear dudes! xd"

>>6393650
The Doom comic was a mistake.

>>6393650
Are you a christian butthurt by this or something, who cares if muh angels are bad. I don't even like nuDoom but this take is stupid.

>>6393654
>lol u butthurt

>>6391027
e5m9 is also great, it felt like a victory song.

>>6393656
Yeah I think you are
Sorry about that buddy

>>6393654
>>6393658
Or maybe is just a comment talking within the context of the post it was replying to?

>>6393650
He probably wouldn't be in favor of that idea, but his opinion is that games are just games, so it doesn't really matter.

>>6393654
>>6393658
>I'm butthurt that guy is attacking Eternal, but if I say I don't like the game then I become invincible!

>>6393643
Ngl this looks pretty good.

>>6393662
anon I don't even own the new doom games. Calm down, I'll leave your angel friends alone

Remember when Doomguy was just a normal man surviving Hell's bullshit instead of le rip and tear man?

>>6393667
Gotcha, I'll leave your new Doom games alone too. Have a cookie, things will be okay.

Not really retro but it feels so weird to me that Duke Nukem Forever will be decade old in 2 years.

>>6393674
When will someone rescue Duke from the Pitchfork?

>>6393671
Who cares
It's Doom
Just shoot stuff

Anyone who cares about any of the story in any WAD is a complete chump

>>6393678
>Anyone who cares about any of the story in any WAD is a complete chump
I care about Going Down and its story about Doomguy phonecalling his mom.

>>6393676
Is there a point?

>>6393693
I don't know, maybe he'll do better at a new home. A spiritual sequel for a game like Bulletstorm but with Duke could be pretty cool

>>6393654
because it's cringe

>>6393671
I do find silly how most of the characterization of modern Doomguy pretty much boils down to the comic, and only the first page at that.

>>6393643
You know, this game suddenly reminded me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZUbxtWLcHU
It looks shockingly similar to the Java version, too.

>>6393676
Until Greasy Bastard realizes that holding him hostage it's worthless,problably never.

Funny enough Jon St. John voices Postal Dude in Postal 4 and in that game they're planning to take shots to Randy and Gearbox,problably worse than they did with Tim Schafer.

So yeah,not even Duke's voice likes Randy.

Yet again I am spending too much time on areas the player won't be able to visit.

>>6393727
Why not do a John Romero?

>>6393643
Doesnt look bad for an early prototype. The environments remind me of the PS1 Duke game Time To Kill.

>>6393671
I like to see it as Classic Doom is Just A Guy, who happens to be the world's most elite warrior, while *clears throat* THE DOOMSLAYERRRR is more some kind of alternate reality demi-god of some sort, he's far more than just a man. I don't really find the new games as good as Classic or all its mods, but I think it's overall pretty decent for what it is, and I enjoy it better by looking at it as its separate continuity.

>>6390085
I have a question that maybe anons here can help me with. There's this thread over at Doomworld attempting to rank the difficulty of WADs, from easiest to hardest, assuming Saveless play. https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/107015-wad-progression-for-skill-improvement/

The TL;DR goes something like this. From easiest to hardest the guy ranks them like this:
Doom -> Doom 2 -> TNT -> SIGIL -> Plutonia -> Scythe -> Ancient Aliens -> Valiant -> Alien Vendetta -> Hell Revealed -> Speed of Doom -> Scythe 2 -> Sunder -> Sunlust -> [here be dragons]

So I wanted to ask:
>Do you agree with this ranking, and if not, what would you change?
>Where would you place "Going Down", "Eviternity", "Back to Saturn X", "Jenesis", "JPCP", "Vanguard", "Swim with the Whales", "Plutonia 2", and "the DTWID series" in this ranking?

>>6393650
Not /vr/ but I just want to mention that they were clearly going for some kind of "demons wearing angel's faces" bend with the Makyrs/Urdak, you know, especially after the Khan Makyr fight.

>>6393641
Right. The concrete bunker thing just wasn't doing it. I am glad they went in the direction they did, even though sometimes its hard to imagine why the fuck anyone would build an installation that way. My head canon has always been that the influence of Hell is warping everything, including the parts that still appear as standard UAC facilites.

>>6393792
Anon who cares
Seriously
Who
Cares

I almost want to make a WAD where you kill angels and YHVH at the end, SMT-style, just to watch you fuckers sperg out.

>>6393792
It's not even out of line if it isn't, because original scripture describes Demons as being Angels who fell from grace and/or turned their back on God.

>>6393651
No it wasn't. It went from meme to design document for Eternal to now DOOM gospel with it's influence on the lore.

>>6390948
dope

>>6393643
Whoa, neat!

>>6393805
That's why it's a mistake.
>>6393798
You should 100% make a wad of heavenly eldritch monsters. That would go well with stuff like that Baron Of Hell mod.

>>6393704
Because there was virtually no characterization before that.

>>6393820
No, that's why it's fucking based.

>>6393643
Wow... I'm not gonna lie, this guy should have let MetalJesus have the prototype reveal video instead of guilting the guy who had it into letting him do it because he asked first.

I don't like MetalBoomer but he would have at least covered this well and documented it with high quality footage. This motherfucker had the guy who owned it tape his DS to a wall and film it with his iPhone for the footage.

>>6393240
>I play Going Down like it's a survival horror : I get the key ASAP then fuck off to the elevator. I feel like it's pretty adequate considering the short levels and the lack of ammo towards the end of the maps.
I used to do that but then you get the rotor map area with the enemies that teleport in pitch darkness. Jesus fucking christ.

>>6393256
Damn, this shit looks cool.

>>6393798
get it to then you stupid faggot
i know you won't though :^)

>>6393820
the doom comic was great before bethesda decided to take all the memes and turn it into cringe lore

>>6393789
I don't agree with Scythe but it's hard to classify because every episode is on it's own difficulty. The first 20 levels are definitely not above Plutonia level, but rather on Doom 2/TNT level difficulty. Although the last episode definitely deserves the place (if not even higher).

>>6393805
I personally hated how "HE SAID THE THING" it was in Eternal. The could have done so much, but instead Doomguy just rambled and repeated the meme lines. He wasn't even jolly crazy like in the comic. Just totally broken.

>>6393915
I think the idea of the ranking was to use the hardest point of each WAD as the reference

>>6393920
>hardest point
>saveless
Well put Eviternity at the end, map32 without saves is just a maddening chore, just imagine crawling through an hour plus (if you know what you're doing) monster of a map to die to the cyberdemon gangbang at the end and having to repeat it all again.

>>6393792
The lore was that Maykrs were actually good in the past, similar to Sentinels, but after Khan Maykr made a deal with the Dark Lord to use humans as an endless source of Argent, to keep herself alive for millenias, the natural cycle of Urdak/Heaven was halted and it was corrupted. It's not "Heaven bad xd", it's "Hell is bad enough that it managed to corrupt heavens". And that's why the Father/VEGA could see Doomguy killing Khan Maykr in every single possible timeline. You can't have evil on both ends of the spectrum. At least that's my crackpot view on the story.

>>6393943
>>6393792
It's hilarious how extremely not retro any of this is and it's beyond me how anyone gives a fuck about the story in a Doom game.

>>6393947
It's hilarious that you use the word "hilarious" although you probably didn't even crack the slightest smile in real life. I also don't give a single fuck if you don't care about the story in Doom. Everyone enjoys their entertainment in their own ways.

>thread devolves into bitching about the new games
god these threads are trash these days. barely anyone here gives a fuck about any of the games here anymore

>>6393918
They tried to serious it up, which is the worst way you can put a meme front and center, either go full loony and play it comical as the original did or keep it out of the spotlight.

>>6393935
I don't think Eviternity's MAP32 would be higher in difficulty to Sunlust or Sunder, specially saveless. Tagged the ending you're talking about here

https://youtu.be/d-F_EYBrAR0?t=3890

Like yeah the fight at the end of an hour plus map is obviously nerve wracking because you don't want to do it all over again, but mechanically speaking it's not that difficult compared to the things other WADs have you face.

>>6393951
>people discussing the original game and fan wads for hundreds of posts
>they start discussing the sequels too for a moment
>>WTF all is lost... nobody cares about my beloved doom general...
Quit whining you concern trolling little faggot.

Talking about old games, do mancubi suffer any ill-effects from cramped conditions? Subjectively they seem to, when put on small platforms, but it might be just that they look stupid waddling back and forth.

>>6393965
He makes it look really easy, he got really lucky with the archviles at the start and killed the cyberdemons quickly enough that he could calmly clear out the lost souls and then the cyberbarons before either became an issue, if your execution isn't as good you end up with a room full of lost souls with two cyberdemons and two cyberbarons pounding on you and very little in the way of cover, the baron's hitscan in particular is very nasty.

>>6393918
I see where you're coming from with that sentiment, I do, but in my opinion I thought Doomguy speaking for the first time was done in a clever way and really the ONLY way that would be acceptable. The fact that it was lines from the comic is what made it that way, anything else would have just seemed hollow.

ha ha demon go boom :)

>>6390859
I'm really late to this, but here's how Doom Eternal runs on a $300 Walmart laptop for comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfrI_UWZru4

This is at 720p on lowest settings. Kids today don't realize how good they have it in terms of performance. It's basically the biggest positive about modern multiplatfom development.

My lockdown Doom - Wolfenstein list. Seems to be complete and in order. Did I forget something?

I need more signs, I need bigger signs.

>>6394101
ion fury has lots of hoohoo haha signs

>>6391616
>>6391621
that first one is like a fan edit
ios never had a body except for doom 2 rpg

>>6393951
We need mods that fucking ban people for bringing off topic bullshit here. There is no reason these faggots can't have their gay little 2020 lore slapfights there.

>>6391515
It amazes me that fans can nail the original 90's rending style those games had yet AAA studios can't.

>>6394078
I believe shareware ROTT is a different episode than Dark War.

>>6394006
They get really, really stressed out and fall prey to stress eating.

>>6394078
Looks pretty solid. Make sure to check out Quake and Duke Nukem 3D later.

>>6394104
I am perfectly capable of producing heehee hoohoo signs myself.

>>6392038
Where i can find the track files?

>>6392849
Why do you keep posting this? What do you gain from it? Yes the character is playing an old doom game but that's obviously not the focus of this video. Has little to do with retro as does this post >>6392947 This is not your discord chat friend.
>>6392963 >>6392968 >>6392987
4ch has a part of the site dedicated specifically to topics like these which are /a/ and /jp/. If the anon wanted to talk about an anime mod for Doom, than that would be fine, vtuber are not that however.

>>6394179
I have only posted it once, faglord.

The exact same video was posted here already friend >>6392345 Before that there was twitter link of the same thing in a previous thread. It doesn't matter if it was you or not, what matters is that you try not to do it again.

>>6393256
>>6393184
>>6392795
If Ion Maiden is "Build Engine porn"
then Lost Civilisation is "Doom Engine porn".
And there's a second one coming.

>>6394163
You mean the already ripped music? Honestly I'm not really sure. Though like that post said, you can try to rip them yourself, it's really not hard.
However if you want I can try to upload the ones I ripped myself.

>>6394195
I'm sorry officer, I'll try to not have fun.

>>6394118
You're apart of the problem you faggot.
>>6393990
Not what I'm talking about dipshit

>>6394078
>>6394136
Yeah it is, it's campaign is called "The Hunt Begins" if I recall right.

>>6393918
the problem with them "canonizing memes" is when there's shit that could have been put in the games, but they won't put in because they're not as massive as doot jokes or the comic
like, the skulltag taunt sound is something you could see work as an unofficial catchphrase for doomguy and even be seen like a quake 3 homage
i mean, if the fanbase is one of doom's biggest legacies, you got to do better than just the top 10 most popular memes

Okay, got the sign-making technology working, now I need more of them, and make them more different.

>>6394271
Forgot pic

>>6394305
How many хyй signs can a man possibly need?

>>6392907
Because it is meat.

>>6394305
Needs some geishas

>>6394312
First one doesn't count, it was Pelevin reference.

In order to help players navigate the area I marked different corridors with differently textured pillars (That are blinking and I can't seem to catch them brightly lit, just take my word that this one is green). I also have rooms that are colour-coded and accessibly from the si.

If I make them match the rooms, that'd be interesting, but the unueness of the pillars themselves would suffer somewhat.

>>6394259
Yep, the shareware episode is exclusive and not included with the full game and is called The Hunt Begins

>>6394078
Throw New Colossus into the trash. Old Blood is where the reboots should have ended. Colossus was absolute trash.

>>6392926
Turok I want more

>>6393951
>>6394118
You both sound like whiny autistic faggots. The later sequels will invariably get mentioned here and there in these threads, as interest in classic DOOM is obviously going to overlap with the new titles for many people. Cry more.

>>6394360
https://turoksanctum.com/mahinnwost/

>>6394357
I concur with this, first two of the new games are pretty good but Colossus and that godawful coop one with the girls are both dogshit.

>>6390689
>>6390540
Is it cheating if I use a crosshair that locks on to enemies in PRBoom+ to show me where the auto-aim is pointing?

Remember the times when this general was about retro fps games?