/vr/ - Retro Games

Saturn truly had the best dpad, but I prefer the cross button configuration of the snes

For me it's a tie between SNES and Saturn (model 2/JP)

6 button layouts are a meme. They don't allow you to do fighting stick stuff, they don't have tangible advantages over 4 face buttons + bumpers/triggers.

obligatory "where the fuck is it?" post

>>6381604
I remember a guy who would say the 6 button scheme was meant to be played as a mini arcade pad. Like, you'd "claw" your hand around the 6 buttons using your other fingers instead of your thumb.
I think he was memeing but dunno, maybe some people use it like that.

>>6381605
Thumbsticks on the bottom is objectively shit

>>6381604
>they don't allow you to do fighting game stuff
Try doing zangiefs cyclone on a cross layout, it sucks.

>>6381604
trying to play a game that originated on a 3 or 6 button system feels awkward when using a 4 face button pad.
you either need to remap one of the 4 face buttons to be the "C" or get used to a shoulder button having heavy use.

when it comes to emulation we drastically need something like >>6381605

>>6381608
It's not really "meant" to be played like that but there are advantages playing like that. If I'm playing a fighter i do claw my hands over the buttons, even on a cross pad because moving your thumb around is too slow.

>>6381608
>>6381608
Yeah, that was kinda the intention with the Genesis and 6-Button, and it works really good for that. Especially in stuff like third strike where you'd press lp+lk or mp+mk at the same time. It's nice having the columns all next to eachother instead of one of them being l+r or r1+r2.

>>6381612
I can do lariats just fine on a 4 button dpad, and newer SF games map 3 buttons macros to the other bumper/shoulder set making it even easier.
>>6381613
I get that mapping genesis games to a 4 button layout can be a bit awkward, but to be fair so is playing those games on its original hardware after a few months playing on a normal gamepad.

>>6381647
In my experience playing 4-button games on a 6-button pad is just fine, but playing 6 button games on a 4 button pad is a little awkward, having to compress a layout is generally worse than just having empty buttons in some games

>>6381605
Holy shit, I need this. Please tell me it exists.

>>6381613
>when it comes to emulation we drastically need

Get a switch pro controller, or a Wii u pro controller, or an Xbone controller, or a DS4. We don't need a shittier Saturn controller

>>6381772
>4 face buttons
Worthless.

I found a weird Saturn controller in a box but I have no way to take a picture and I can't find it online

>>6381772
>fuck the genesis, saturn, n64 and the pc engine
what the fuck bro, calm down

>>6381772
>Switch
Cringe

I like the saturn pad for the d-pad, but I've gotten more used to the SNES one. I bought an SN30 Pro Plus recently to replace my SNES controller and that's my new favorite. It's only fighting games I have a little bit more trouble on, and I can get some things done quicker with the SNES one.

>>6381834
It's the best current-generation controller for /vr/ use because it doesn't have useless analog triggers.

>>6381941
I guess you could say that but they're all kind of trash picks (I do like the Xbone dpad though, feels good for diagonals). And if someone is buying any of those for classic games they're a chucklehead since there are much better controllers for 2D games at half the price.

>>6381589
I am in agreement, my execution in the games I play are best with Sega Saturn controllers. The only thing I wish was the XYZ were the same size as the ABC buttons. I find its layout adaptable to map YZBC to the diamond shape 4-face button controllers too when emulating.

>>6381956
>since there are much better controllers for 2D games at half the price.

That's missing the point. Everyone is jerking off over that twinstick Saturn mockup like it's some sort of end-all when other equivalent equipment already exists all will better build quality than that Saturn homunculus will have.

>>6381831
Besides the N64, where are the sticks?

>>6381972
>other equivalent equipment already exists
Show me a dual-thumbstick controller with 6 face buttons, start and select, a menu button, two digital bumpers, and two analog triggers from a reputable manufacturer.

>>6381684
>Please tell me it exists.
>obligatory "where the fuck is it?" post
take a guess.

>>6381960
muh financial problems

Why do people want 6 face buttons so hard? I have an m30 and I honestly barely use all 6. Not to mention how I have to constantly bind B/C/Y/Z to the usual face buttons on any games that aren't fighting games or sega ones, because it's not comfortable to put the thumb over both A/X.

>>6381982
Nothing that needs two sticks uses 6 buttons. Cope more.

>>6382042
Nice goalpost shift faggot. The point is to have one controller for all scenarios rather than having to swap controllers depending on what game you're playing.

>>6382070
>The point is to have one controller for all scenarios

Oh okay. Get a Switch pro controller.

>>6382072
4 face buttons. Digital triggers. Try again.

>>6382082
>Digital triggers.
You're welcome
>4 face buttons
Screenshot and home button. Thank me later.

>>6382090
>equivalent equipment
Your words.

>>6382092
>Equally retarded
Your words.

>>6382090
Thanks anon, I'll definitely map the screenshot button to heavy punch.

>>6382094

>>6382098
Oh sorry, I thought you weren't playing fighting games competitively. In that case get a PS4 controller like several tournament champions use.

>>6381589
Agree, especially the d pad, man that thing is dang near perfect. Also I like the 6 face buttons layout as opposed to just 4.

>>6381972
Delusional
cheap ass Switch virgin controller VS indestructible arcade parts

Also MUCH better resell value

>>6382082
>Have 6 face buttons
>Gotta push all punch buttons I guess
>Have to stop holding the controller with the right hand and use three of my fingers on it like it's a fucking arcade stick with tiny membrane buttons that you gotta hold with the left hand

>Have 4 face buttons
>Press 2 buttons with the thumb
>Press the remaining one with the index finger

Would you seriously argue the first method is better?

>>6382114
>arcade parts
Lol where? I don't see a fightstick.

>>6382123
Keep seething even harder, switch virgin.

>>6382135
Did you get the saturn mixed up with the neo geo what are you talking about?

>>6382117
>worse in the specific scenario of using meter in capcom games
>can just bind the combo to the shoulder buttons
>better in every other scenario

>>6382143
Silence switch virgin, I regularly get $400+ on Ebay for these while I buy them for under 100 in Japan.

>>6382150
That's fantastic, I've repaired several and they're nothing to write home about with stock parts. Hell if you shop on eBay I guarantee you've bought equipment from me.

>>6382150
Stick is really good on the machine or at your desk but it really sucks on the couch, and it just feels off for console games that aren't fighters or shmups.

>>6382158
I get my parts directly from a seller in Japan. I'd rather rip others off then be ripped off.

>>6382174
I'm Jewish btw and my store is located in Palm Beach

>>6382174
It's probably me

>>6382201
Are you located in Chiyoda-ku?

Is this THE N64 controller of choice when it comes to emulation?

Are these any good?

>>6382107
I don't play fighting game competitively, the reason I use a fight stick is simple: it feels much MUCH better and they were designed to be played that way

>>6382396
>>6382397
hivemind

>>6381831
It's nice but the d-pad on it is pretty stiff and the buttons feel like sweet tarts

>>6382396
>>6382397
No. My Hyperkin Xbox Duke controller is better for 3D games.

>>6382493
but that looks like it'd be shit for N64 layouts

>>6382493
>Duke

>>6382504
Not if you map it correctly.

>>6382493
anon typed this post using this keyboard

>>6382162
Just use it for fighters and shmups then. Why does everyone want a single controller for every type of game? You don't play Doom with a racing wheel

>>6381589
I like all the controllers that work best for the games I play. Funny that. Saturn pads are good but ironically while being some of the best 1st party pads made are not the best pads made for the system.

>>6381605
>obligatory shilling shit post

>>6382835
It feels like they made the controller to fuck over mischief makers players.

>>6382850
Yeah it's bad for games that use the d-pad, or need precise movement. That said, for games like SM64 etc. it's incredible.

>>6382517
>>6382535
t.Anons with tiny hands

>>6382947
Don't trust men with tiny hands

>>6382973
Never been able to jive with that start button placement, I like it better on the side or above the buttons. Also Seimitsu buttons are my favorites.

Controllers are the bane of good game design.

My model 2 jp controller has an r button that doesn't click as much as the l button but it does still work. I bought some switches to replace it with but my dumb ass lost them, now I'm waiting another 2 months to get more from china

Thanks for reading my blog, controller is fucking awesome though. One question I have, where do you get replacement conductive pads for controllers? Ebay ones are shit, mortoff Games one are okay but kinda squishy and easy to press, console5 ones are clicky but they only have saturn/nes/snes no genesis.

>>6382987
Really? Never heard of anyone having a problem with that Start button placement. I think something like the Obsidian's Start placmement is way worse. Of course, having all the other buttons hidden on the right side of the Hori stick is pretty annoying though. I like that stick because of the analog nubs at the bottom which means I can play any game on stick if I feel like it. I have the buttons swapped out for Hayabusas and an oversized actuator with octogate on the stick.

>>6381589
Why does it have three big buttons and three small ones? Why aren't they evenly spaced out and instead are angled into a curve? Why didn't they go with the Xbox OG style instead with four main face buttons and two smaller non-primary face buttons?
>>6381605
This looks god fucking awful. The shape doesn't support dual analog well. This is why the PS 4 and 5 controller eventually got things more right then the prior playstation controllers.

>>6381605
There's no way your thumbs wouldn't bump into each other if the sticks went towards each other.

>>6383668
I recall reading that the exact excuse they made for not having it out already is tinkering with the stick placement

I know it might sound weird, but why don't they currently use microswitches with gamepads more often?

I noticed that most modern controllers have membranes that are way too "clicky" and have a lot of depth where it's nearly impossible to half press a button. At that point, wouldn't mechanical switches work better? are they really that much more expensive?

>>6383330
>Why does it have three big buttons and three small ones?

Because that's how the MegaDrive six button was.

>>6381960
>"my mom said im allowed to have 1 of each!"

>>6381605
Never ever

>>6382072
>Shit tier dpad that tears my skin every time try to do diagonal
>Register wrong input when rolling across dpad
>$70
>No analog trigger nor speaker
>Inconsistent deadzone
>All scenarios
Nice try Nintencuck

>>6382020
>I spent so much on superfluous packaging and plastic that I cant afford a 3DO

>>6385419
Also on mime the grips wobble a little bit side to side and that makes my autism act up so I had to unscrew the grips and put fuckin electrical tape under them to make them more secure

Great job Nintendo. What I will say is that it is incredibly durable otherwise.

>>6385419
>>No analog trigger nor speaker
These are pluses

>>6381589
does the hard disk drive exist ?

>>6382397
>>6382396
The D-Pad is not amazing, and can ghost input when used. The travel distance for the stick feels wider than a GameCube stick, but I didn't measure it. It works if you don't have anything and can't find anything.

>>6381589

>>6381589
I prefer this design. Not saying the controller is better or not. Just prefer the design to the Saturn's.

>>6385852
I'd use this on the genesis, snes, saturn, whatever the hell retro system if only the adapters for each system were like 5-10 dollars and not 20 each

>>6386081
Scratch that, 15 for some 25 for others. No saturn adapter either. For the price of just the adapter get a saturn retrobit controller or something.

>>6386081
>>6386085
I've got a bluetooth M30 and a pair of Retrobit (pre-licensed) Saturn controllers and the Retrobit controllers feel extremely cheap with the parts being able to wiggle around easily, but the d-pad and face buttons are still better than a Logitech F310. The problem I have with the M30 (and SN30+) is that the Dinput mode stupidly has the home button internally assigned as the third button, and using a DB9-USB adapter like the Rys Mk II (which isn't capable of reassigning buttons) with the Amiga makes playing games with the M30 tedious, as the fire button is assigned to home instead of A. A damn shame since the secondary button is assigned to B and up is also assigned to X, and that is a perfect layout. The Retrobit controllers have fire assigned to C, which isn't perfect but at least it's usable.

If I get a DS4, will I be able to use it with my PC without it trying to talk to my PS4?

>>6386410
Yes.

>>6386410
I'd worry if it started to talk to your PS4, tbqh.

>>6386184
I think you can remap the button on pc using their software

So should I just get an xbox controller to play emulated titles with?

>>6388350
Or the sn30 pro?

>>6388221
That's only for Xinput and only for the SN30 Pro+. It doesn't change Dinput, which is what I specifically need for Amiga compatibility.
>>6388350
>>6388407
The M30 is perfect for everything up to PS1 except for the 5% of the PS1 library that requires analog sticks and a good part of the DC library as well, GBA is also a given. The SN30 Pro+ is better if you prefer SNES/PSX d-pads and require analog sticks.

>>6388407
SN30 Pro + can cover every need if you like the SNES/PS1 d-pads. It even has gyro that can be set up to work on steam or CEMU if you ever want that.

>>6388350
Sony DualShock 4 2.0 is the undisputed gold-standard of retro-vidya-controllers.

>>6381982
Hori is reputable to me.

>>6382020
I do feel fortunate that food service is deemed an essential service, so I am glad I am still employed, even in a limited capacity.

>>6384710
That's cool. I remember seeing a video of Microsoft's Adaptive controllers which may work well for you.

>>6382026
It is just what I am used to. Muscle memory is strong with Radiant Silvergun and Guardian Heroes with 6 face buttons. In Capcom fighting games, I like the punches and kicks arranged from weak/quick to strong/focused all accessible with my thumb. Admittedly, for those fighting games, Ideally, I'd like the Sanwa buttons to use the full hand, but I am unwilling to give up my execution with the D-pad.

>>6390341
What model of Hori pad is that, and why do you have so god damn many of them?

>>6390341
any news re: Evangelion discs?

>>6390359
They are Horipad EX2 Turbo pads. They duplicate the L1/R1 bumpers on the face, and have a good D-pad too. They were on sale/clearance and my friends and I still have the same muscle memory when we played the Guardian Heroes Vs. mode, so the standard diamond shaped 4-face buttons were not going to do. They were going for under $30 each, but stock pads were almost double that at the time.

>>6390392
See PC thread

>>6390470
>Horipad EX2 Turbo
Doesn't look like you can buy them anywhere. Plus the user reviews are pretty bad.

>>6381684
It'll be released, just god knows when.

But there's a simpler version on the market already.

>>6382396
No? The d-pad placement is fucked, making several games unplayable.

>>6381831
See this six button layout is superior to the ones Sega put out. Small buttons that serve their purpose and most importantly symmetrical. Why didn't Sega make them line up proper for any of their controllers?

>>6390470
>See PC thread
Not that anon, but I'm also interested on the Eva discs I'm the anon who started bugging you about it.
I checked on various PC threads like the SGI one or the retro PC development one and I didn't find anything.

>>6381801
describe it then, use words

is there a USB adapter that actually works with the us controller? had problems before....

>>6390470
>See PC thread
which?

>>6381605
>>6384726
Why do people want this shit, it’s not a good design for analog sticks as they need proper handles, the plain one is exceptionally good because you purely use it for the dpad and allows you to comfortably overhand the face buttons as well

>>6392789
>Why do people want this shit
I can't speak for others but in my case I love the feel of the regular Saturn controller but would like to play dual analog stick games too, and this would allow me to do both.
>they need proper handles
I disagree. I hold my controller like this pic and it feels comfortable with plenty of grip. I don't see how adding sticks would change that as the thumbs never formed part of the grip anyway. Also the sticks themselves look like they'd have good grip because of their concave shape.

>>6393391
>I don't see how adding sticks would change that
ah now see that's where you are wrong, especially when they are that close together, there's a reason they released the sn30 pro+

>>6390470
Love that creamsicle colored one, hot damn

>>6393462

Why would that be wrong? Everything that's gripping the controller wouldn't have to move at all, only the thumbs.