/vr/ - Retro Games

Yeah I bet you like floppies, faggot.

>>6376117

Cartridge master race reporting in.

>>6376117
I remember my floppies failing on the day of my PowerPoint presentations. I eventually started carrying multiple copies for insurance. Fuck those things.

>>6376117
I always found it amusing how 5.25" floppies for the C64 are still readable today after being stored in a semi-exposed attic for 35 years, yet some 3.5"s stored in an indoor filing cabinet are useless after 17 years.

>>6376117

>Perspective

>>6376117
So please send us your floppy.

>>6376120
Pretty much this and Hu-Cards.

>>6376136
The 5.25" disks read faster and you could store more of them in a shoebox.

>>6376136
That's because more companies were making 3.25" floppies, you could find cheaply made ones more commonly.

>>6376117
I'd also say floppies because I actually used two 1.44mb flopplies to watch the suns total eclipse with, just held them to my eyes and pulled back the little sliders and looked through the disk right at the sun and they worked really well

tl;dr floppies

>>6376692
That's got to be the most stupid and dangerous thing you've ever done in your life. WTF

>>6376698
well 21 years after the event and my eyes are fine, so

>>6376723
Just because you got lucky doesn't make up for the fact that you are a fucking irresponsible idiot.

>>6376726
>Just because you got lucky
luck has nothing to do with it tho, and stop being so hostile

3.5" disks are less reliable for a number of reasons including the smaller physical size and the fact that they became standard hardware when hard disks were becoming the norm and people relied less on floppies as a primary storage device so there was less motivation to make them work reliably.

>>6376117
It's a shame that this didn't take off considering that these cartridges were able to be read and writed to like a mass storage device.

>>6376117
for me, it's the zip disk.

>>6376124
Came in just to say this. So many times id come to school early to print out an assignment only to have the floppy fuck up. The day I got my 32mb usb drive I never looked back.

>>6377693
Yes and that was mainly an issue with shitty Chinese-made 1.44MB disks. 5.25" media in the 80s was very reliable especially if it came from a quality manufacturer like Verbatim or 3M (brands like Wabash and BASF not so much).

I find Hucards, Super Famicom, and UMDs (not retro), the most aesthetic.

>>6376117
Never liked floppies, never liked tape, always preferred cartridges and discs.

>>6376674
That makes sense, I suppose. Some producers were probably just not as good as others.
Same with disc rot, conspicuously only visible in discs either stored in a basement in Florida, or from batches from shitty factories.

>>6377708
Good old Chinese manufacturing.

>>6376136
5.25'' floppies are shockingly resilient. I've had ones kept in awful conditions and still read fine, where my 3.5'' floppies from highschool in the early 00s have a bad track on about 10% of them and they were stored as well as they could have been.
Guessing its largely due to the physical size of the sectors being larger leading to less issues like demagnetization over time.

>>6377592
>*rattle rattle*

Nothing quite beats the tactility of inserting a floppy disk.

>>6378559
The snap in place *Kaachunk* was always so satisfying.

>>6378581
1541 > 1541-II

>>6377592
This. Unironically. Fucking greatest removable disc format ever.
>>6378470
It's "click...click...click" actually, and it never seemed to happen to my SCSI models.

>>6378587
Never used the original 1541. Have one laying around but it need some repair work before I daee attempt to plug it in. I never appreciated how compact the II is until I got my hands on the original, the 1541 is fucking huge.

unironically, CDs/DVDs. optical media piracy is a dying art but some small part of me never got over that feeling of getting your first ever CD writer... you can make your OWN cds, at home. you just download the songs for free and you can make anything you want. take them to play in the car, whatever. label it something stupid with a sharpie, you're ready to go. amazing.

Mask-ROM cartridges followed by optical storage.

NOT fucking volatile magnetic storage floppy disks that are the physical embodiment of Schrodinger's Cat regarding reliability.

>>6378789
>never got over that feeling of getting your first ever CD writer.
I mowed so many fucking lawns and shit for neighbors, family, etc to get $250 to buy my 8x NEC CR-R drive. It was so fucking worth it, I pirated everything for years with the thing. It paid it self back probably the first week I owned it. I was THE guy with a CD burner and being able to make music CDs was a quick way to get to know girls, which was nice tool for a fucking loser like me.

>>6378814
You can't make your own mask ROM, and optical disks can be just as volatile as floppies.

>>6378559
I have one of these hooked up to my Macintosh SE and whenever I load a disk in, it makes such a hefty kachunk. It feels like I'm popping a magazine into a gun or something, it's badass.

>>6377151
>we never had minidiscs (or similar MO-media) as Johnny-Mnemonic-style datastorage
Sad!

>>6378820
>optical disks can be just as volatile as floppies.

just got a sampling keyboard that takes DSDD floppies and I'm spooked, didn't even know there was a subspecies of this size of floppy, I've only used the 1.44s. can you get USB floppy drives that work with DSDDs? I'm glad there are niche autists on eBay still selling this sort of media.

Geeze not really game related but laser disc's are the coolest for me, I do really like early cds as well. Like Sega CD and Saturn/psx. It felt like I was in the future when that stuff rolled out and I still love the packaging Sega CD and early ps1 games came in

>>6377592
I had dozens of zip100 disks.

>>6378814
Magnetic media can be very reliable, it's just that 3.5" floppies frequently weren't.

>>6379190
Never had a laserdisc player, but the idea was always super cool to me. It's like a CD the size of a vinyl record, and a couple of them would contain a movie with crystal clear video quality.

>>6379791
The art included was also super cool, I wish we had a major home console that took laser disc

>>6379190
Like hell they're not game related

>>6379920
As cool as dragons lair and space ace are I dont really count them as video games, they are like a step above VNs for sure but still not a video games to me.

>>6379902
But anon, we did...

>>6379078
>just got a sampling keyboard that takes DSDD floppies and I'm spooked, didn't even know there was a subspecies of this size of floppy, I've only used the 1.44s. can you get USB floppy drives that work with DSDDs?
And also it's 2020, get a Gotek to replace the drive with.

>>6376118
I call breasts floppies, so yes.

>>6378450
5.25" ones sound much better than the 3.5" ones I remember from when I was a kid.

>>6380030
Hold the fort, the boxing game in Spyro 2 had a multiplayer mode?

>>6381126
No fucking idea, go research it yourself, because I'd go out and check if Edgar told me the sky was blue.

>>6376117
Floppies sucked major balls even at it's time.
I remember going over to a friend's house taking a bunch of floppies to a friend's house to try and copy one of his games.
It would have to be fractured to bits through a long process with winzip or something, then copied, then every time I got home it simply just never worked, the unzip process would always crash at some point of the extraction and the game would never run.
The leap when we got CD's was going from water to wine.

>>6380030
KEK

>>6376118
I call penises floppies, so yes.

>>6376117
>why is it floppies
The aesthetics

>>6380821
my only real contact with floppies was as a wee lad installing Myst and Lego Island, I had no reason to understand that there were different iterations of the format. I was scared to touch the house floppies anyway, my dad's dissertation and other work stuff were on those and he gave me the hairy eyeball if I touched him.

that said I'll look into the small helpful pearl you dropped among the snark.

I like cartridges with special chips or games that use the highest level of storage including snes dsp games, 512k master system games, wierd mappers such as codemasters, games with save batteries, atari games with extra ram, n64 or gameboy games with a clock, games with soundchips such as ballblazer and battery backed ram. Its satisfying to know the game you put in has extra hardware that is running in your system.

>>6377103
I have over 100 floppies but just about all of them had at least 1 file that wouldn't read, wonder if it was the drive. Good thing to make a boot disc you don't need the whole thing to work.

>>6376117
could fit a fair few games on one of them, though carts replaced it eventually when my Speccy was retired

>>6381854
>my
*me

>>6380030
How can anyone be that stupid? He must just literally not have known what a laserdisc is.

>>6381543
I'm with you on cartridges, I love the ones that have the special enhancements.

>>6381990
Edgar made a lot of unbelievably retarded posts, could have been a larping kid, could have been a compulsive liar, could have been highly autistic, could have been a bunch or all of those. Could just have been a troll, but somehow he felt genuine in the bullshit.

I remember he claimed his dad converted a Sega Genesis to play SNES games, and insisting that he was 'welding' boards and wiring (as opposed to soldering). I think in that thread he insisted that he wasn't wrong because there was some PSX model which could play VCDs (which aren't LaserDisc).

>>6381854
>them
*'em

Magnetic tape for longevity

>>6382391
Which kind of magnetic tape? Isn't VHS and 8-track magnetic tape cassettes? They don't seem very resilient to me.

>>6382410
Magnetic backup tape, like Quarter-inch tape cartridges. All my backups, even from as far back as 1990, are still working.

>>6376201
>Hu-Cards
Gay

>>6376692
Based as fuck
>>6376726
Cringe as fuck

>>6382427
Hu-Cards are really nice.

Lto tapes are so reliable

>>6382447
Disregard, thought I was on /g/

>>6376136
>>6378450
>>6376674
>>6378431
I don't think the 5.25" disks are inherently more reliable, but they were also being made at a time when computer disks and peripherals were extremely expensive, so people expected them to be good. A lot of the 3.5" diskettes were poorly manufactured. But if you bought from the better brands, they were as good or better than the older disks.

Personally, I've found that the best 3.5" diskettes were made by Sony and IBM. I have about 400 Mac-formatted Sony floppies and recently tried to consolidate the data on them (what else are you going to do during COVID). I had maybe 2 or 3 that had bad sectors or were just outright unreadable, in other words a failure rate of less than 1%. The DOS-formatted IBM ones had 2 disks go bad out of ~100, so slightly higher failure rate but nothing out of the ordinary. I find Verbatim, Maxell and Fujifilm disks are not as good. I have a smaller sample size, but they had a failure rate between 15%-20% (total failure and/or corrupted files). The worst are the no-name floppies, about half of those were unreadable and another 25% had corrupted files. And those were the newest ones I had- purchased in 2005. 75% failure rate after 15 years. Fuck China.

On the 5.25" front, I have a couple of my dad's Apple II formatted floppies from when he was in college and they all still work as far as I can tell. But I don't really have a statistically significant sample size.

>>6376117
i used to prefer my big box pc games to come with floppies but then i tried using mine and a good lot of them had read errors

>>6382410
LTO

>>6376118
I call Asians floppies, so yes.

>>6382265
Ever notice how you never see Edgar and "gramps" at the same time?