/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[4-24] Anon shares a map, Funny Towers
https://mega.nz/file/lA9ljB7B#kSBT3dW8CEsoyzVncKHwjDnkX0mBXPfxmERDlmxRylU

[4-24] Anon converts a few midi tracks using various soundfont banks
>>6369212

[4-22] Doom Retro updated to version 3.5.5
https://www.doomretro.com/

[4-21] Trailblazer 1.5 is out
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=47494&p=1148021#p1148021

[4-19] Anon shares first map, Heavy March, looking for feedback
https://mega.nz/file/GZ1RSKpY#UQ1CCbPEzfRYQssh2SbHr9bOFKIJFREPpOz5--Aptqs

[4-19] Refracted Reality mapset now available for download
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/113801-release-refracted-reality-rc1/

[4-18] New companion mod by Skelegant, Gholazon X
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=68239

[4-17] Anon shares his first map for Blood, Shafted
http://blood.freeminded.de/index.php?section=maps&id=619
https://archive.org/details/Shafted

[4-17] Crispy Heretic is being maintained again
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/67168-crispy-doom-580-update-apr-17-2020/?page=59&tab=comments#comment-2116114

[4-15] Cool Skies mini-episode 1 is officially released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/113043-cool-skies-mini-episode-1-release/

[4-14] New Chex Quest teased
https://twitter.com/ChexMix/status/1250109904058077184?s=19

[4-13] New mod for Blood: Trauma Therapy
https://www.moddb.com/mods/blood-trauma-therapy

[4-12] Anon shares new map, looking for feedback
https://mega.nz/file/3wQkRYaQ#Bef5au_79yvvU3rsBNNmYnoMmsSGJKtlZ2Et_wuXVX0

[4-11] Doom 4 Vanilla 3.1 released + MS-DOS Edition
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/108725-doom-4-vanilla-v31-new-update-ms-dos-version-released/?page=26&tab=comments#comment-2113332

[4-9] Anon mirrors Realm667 website
https://pastebin.com/VsM6GjD6

[4-9] Sunder Map19 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2111859

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just imagine

Any more good texture replacements out there? Wanna spice up vanilla wads or fit the theme for certain mods. Already know of Blood, Hexen 2 and Doom 64 style ones.

>>6371206
Doom Launcher only shows a few wads from idgames as opposed to the whole archive.

Plutonia isn't fun, even with High Noon Drifter.

I'm on a 3D shooter frenzy. Throw me some obscure/shitty titles for me to play. I alread went through Turok 1/2, Quake 1/2/AD, WRATH, Hexen 2 etc
btw WRATH is fucking awesome. can't wait for the full release with 3 hub worlds and giant bosses

>>6371242

Looks like it's only displaying /newstuff for some reason

>>6371256
It's not /vr/, but since you mentioned Wrath, Dusk is really good.

>>6371256
An onbscure one: from faraway times, I remember a game called Chasm: The Rift. I recall it somehow managed to trick me into believing it's more advanced than Quake when in fact it was really limited, but masked by many clever stuff. Upon looking into the exe, it also turns out it was compiled with Borland's Turbo Pascal, which makes it even more obscure. But I can't recall much more.

I'm releasing my Doom 64 map now, called Desolate. It's designed to be more challenging than original Doom 64 or Doom 2 gameplay, so I'd play I Own Doom difficulty for something similar to original UV or Watch Me Die. Works in the official port and in Doom 64 EX. I've included some useful readme files.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8wwtv2o1ee355v3/Desolate.7z?dl=0

>>6371242
Basically that tab is for searching wads only.

>>6371269
not him but I now know what the clientside puffs option in Zand is for

>>6371229
I like the Disruptor one quite a bit.

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=68109

Imagine 2b2t but as a Doom map

>>6371308
I don't know what that is

>>6371256
Outlaws. Good Western-themed shooter. The artstyle is pretty ugly but the gameplay is great, they captured the feeling of being in a shootout well. Runs on windows10, and you can enjoy more modern graphics options if you use DGVoodoo.

>>6371113
>Original Doom sends only inputs, thanks to it using pseudo-random tables for its random functions, that makes the actions totally predictable from there.

>GZDoom however uses actual random that is not limited to the numbers in the table, and are actually randomly selected.

Brainlet here, is there any actual difference in probability between GZDoom's true rng and vanilla Doom's psuedo tic based rng?

>>6371316
A colossal minecraft map that's been running un-wiped since early 2010

A lot of those buildings are as tall as mountains

>>6371329
vanilla doom used a sequential table of "random" numbers. so if you play a level the exact same way, it will play out exactly the same (including damage values, monster movements, etc.) every time.

>>6370520

>>6371343
Right, I know that's important for demo playback, but I mean is there any difference in the actual likelihood of, for example, the player scoring a maximum damage attack?

Are there any other mods for the XCOM reboot weapon, or is there only the XCOM 2 Storm Gun in Final Doomer?

>>6371210
>>6364378
I feel like we owe to sergei to make his project come to life.
He's been shit-talked to oblivion by dozens of members, but he hasn't considered for a second to stop working.

I'm considering contacting sergei to see if I can help him with the level design. I'd appreciate if any other anons joined in.

when i logged out of doomseeker it set my set my display settings to 680 x 140

>>6371367
Okay

>>6371369
the screen looked like it came from uganda

>>6371347
Looking good.

>>6371325
Outlaws is fun and pretty creative, but Jesus fucking Chist those hitscanners. I thought Blood hitscanners were bad. And Outlaws relies on them almost entirely.

>>6371347
Is this some kind of Heretic remaster?

>>6371348
I'm not sure what are you asking. Doom RNG is a list of numbers it rotates through. This affects damage, monster AI, spread and maybe some other things.

Post screenshots.

>>6371423

>>6371423

Is there a frontend with a utility for automatically updating metadata for each wad? (Screenshots, release date, etc.)

The closest thing I've found yet is Doom Launcher but that only retrieves shit from idgames.

>>6371423
I have basically not played Doom or done much work for months. Have an old one showing nothing I haven't already shown.

>>6371432
>ugly-ass serif font
>default theme
Just disable font smoothing and your retro web experience is complete.

>>6371432
>>6371423

>>6371441
What's wrong with default theme?

>>6371423

>>6371423
>>6371432

>>6371382
Well, thats kind of the point in Outlaws. Its just a different style of gameplay.

Is there a way to stop Doom Launcher from backing up wads when you point it to a folder?

>>6371274
Pretty nice work, anon. >>6371212

>>6371449
what character and monster?
i know it's a samsara addon at least

>>6371509
Space Seal, Corridor 7.

>>6371509
Why can't nobody ever seem to get his hair right

>>6371256
kiss psycho circus and kingpin

>>6371308
it's an abstract kind of hell

>>6371536
>kiss psycho circus
surprisingly fun when I was a kid. haven't played it since.

kiss sucks though.

>>6371542
>kiss sucks though

>>6371542
I think they have some good songs, though I was never a megafan or anything.

>>6371549
they really couldn't play though. they hired studio musicians because they couldn't do their own overdubs.

>no ac-dc fps
I want to get off this timeline

>he plays hl1/cs 1.6 in software mode
literally poorfag cope.

>>6371549
allow me to reiterate for him:
kiss sucks and gene simmons is a fag

>>6371591
I will never recover

>>6371308
The number of 3D floors required would make any Doom port commit suicide.

>mouse lags and stutters in prBoom+
What gives? I have win 10 and use prBoom+ 2.5.1.4

>>6371624
You might have just given me an idea about silent teleporters. I'll go test some things in DBX now...

Another day procanistating without even open Trenchbroom

>>6371691
> procrastinating on quake mapping
you either get to work or you get the shaft

>>6371691
based

>>6371691
>open trenchbroom
>close it and install need for speed porsche on windows 10
I don't even know how that happens

>>6371591
Not gonna contest that, because I really don't know enough about them to say they're not. I know they whore their brand like crazy for merchandise, and they tried that awkward glam rebranding with new costumes in the 80s.
All that said, I still think they have a couple of decent and even good songs, don't know how much of that was written and performed by them, but it has their name on them.

>>6371308
That's almost an interesting idea just for all those impossibly tall monolith stone structures (assuming you styled them right), but I suspect the layout wouldn't lend itself to any kind of worthwhile gameplay.
I assume a lot of those monstrosities don't get touched in years, simply because the regions have been completely strip-mined and there's nothing left to search for.

so I installed the newest build of GZDoom cause I hadn't updated in like 4 years, but it reset most of the options and now I have no idea how to get everything looking right(the HUD for example is all fucked up) or to get the mouse to work right(like turning off that stupid thing where moving the mouse forward or backward also moves you in those directions in game), anyone mind giving me some help?

>>6371741
mouse options > always moselook > on
display options > screen size > 11

Is there any advantage to using TFix lite over the full version?

>>6371760
just a smaller download side for those with garbage connections.

>>6371741
just copy over your old .ini file

FUCK NO END IN SIGHT AND FUCK NETHERWORLD CITADEL HOLY SHIT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>6371821
What's wrong with No End in Sight?

>>6371824
There's no end in sight.

>>6371210
Samsara but for either blood or DUKE3D

>>6371274

>>6371836
Why wasn't Caleb ever included in Samsara?

>>6371741
Mess around with scaling options in HUD options menu. I'm at 1920x1080 and I use pic related.

>>6371347
Is this the new Rekkr episode?

>>6371423

>>6371835
maybe you need glasses

anyone here excited for diabotical? I missed the closed beta, was it any good

What a easy stage for plutonia

>>6371885
gameplay was alright
bugs and crashing were abundant
I didn't really enjoy playing it anymore than quake champions as far as new arena FPSs go

>>6371905
Why the fuck did you take a picture of your monitor

>>6371916
I think it's his switch

>>6371920
The Switch has a screenshot button

What's the difference between slaughter and challenge map design? I saw some dudes on doomworld make this distinction without really explaining.

>>6371920
>doom on consoles

>>6371758
>always mouselook on
no

>>6371741
Set vertical mouse sensitivity to 0 to prevent you from moving forward/backwards with your mouse

>>6371741
>HUD all fucked up
you mean its tiny? adjust the HUD scaling

>>6371927
Switch port is pretty based now
>>6371916
It's from switch

>Map is called Impossible Mission
>It's possible to beat

Does anyone know of any decent midi converting and playing software, just for listening to? I'm interested in collecting.

>>6371950
>Map is called It's Impossible
>It's possible to beat

>>6371925
Slaughter inherently implies large enemy counts relative to the levels size. I imagine challenge maps are just maps with encounters designed to be punishing even without an excess of monsters. Like Plutonia.

>>6371963
I use xmplay with its midi plugin

>>6371851
Term said that he wasn't able to get the jumping physics accurate to how they are in Blood, which is arguably one of the things you do most in the game
He may have also said that there just wasn't a specific reason for inclusion since he didn't seem to fill any role, I don't really remember
Anyways, that ship has long-sailed

>>6372008
>Anyways, that ship has long-sailed
Moreso considering Kinsie doesn't seem very willing to brave the spaghetti code for anything beyond maintenance.

Manc replacement for a Spaceballs / SW themed set

>>6371927
>t.has never played DOOM on either PS1 nor N64 let alone ps3 or Xbox 360 DOOM3

>>6372028
I've never owned a console

>>6372029
Ok sure

>>6372024
>SpaceballsThe.wad

>>6372028
the Xbox 360 version with NRFTL would probably be the best console port of the original game, if it weren't for the fact that it has the extreme sound pitching always turned on

Valiant or Eviternity?

>>6372047
Valiant is far better

>>6372049
t. Skillsaw

>>6372028

>>6372051
t. Dragonfly

>>6372051
Eh, it's a rough competition between two excellent megawads, you don't have to be Skillsaw to find something you prefer in Valiant. That being said, FAR better is quite a stretch...

Making my way through the big three on Build.

So far, Shadow Warrior seems to be the weakest. It's actually kinda annoying to play.

>>6372079
Eviternity turns into a slog after like 15 maps. Pointlessly big maps with poor gameplay flow.

>>6372091
Only map19 and 32 are huge, though.

>>6371274
I like the map. I haven't played it on skill 1, but the difference between skill 2 and skill 3 feels too great. Add some more filler monsters on skill 2. I'm about to try it on skill 4 now

put morpheus666 out of his goddamn misery already

>>6372131
Who?

>>6372131
Why do you say that?

>>6372139
A DW user.

PROTIP:
Get monsters to kill eachother to conserve ammo (and health).

>>6372149
What did he do?

>>6371813
>just copy over your old .ini file
it overwrote my old one

>>6371758
neither of those options did anything

>>6371857
well I don't think I can use Vulkan(my laptop is like 10 years old), and I've tried messing around with those settings and just can't seem to get it right

>>6371935
>Set vertical mouse sensitivity to 0 to prevent you from moving forward/backwards with your mouse
can't find that option anywhere

>>6371940
trying to but can't seem to get it right

>>6372171

>>6371210
That image is fucking awesome

>>6371274
I like the map, anon. It really comes into its own on skill 4. The difference between skill 2 and 3 is greater than the difference between skill 3 and 4, though. Maybe try replacing the Unmaker with a plasma rifle on skill 4? I would do it myself if I knew how. Slade? or DoomBuilder64?

>>6371274
Also the trap at the exit room is quite underwhelming compared to the bridge of death with the 4 cacos and the hellknight. Maybe replace the exit-room caco with a pain elemental, and put a baron directly inside the exit room itself

>>6372206
actually had no idea that was what that did

>>6371274
Ah and one more thing, replace all the pinkies with spectres on skill 4, and make spectres warp into that dark room with the mancubi and hellknights every time you press the switch, similar to how nightmare imps warp in when you press the switch

>>6371865
Yeah. E4M6. I mostly skipped 4 and 5 for now. right now M4 just holds map scraps that I may or may not use. I'll probably jump around a few levels from here out.
I think this one's going to be broken into 3 acts. Beginning area that takes you to a middle area, then an end area.
One complaint I've seen is people getting lost in open levels, so I'm trying to come up with ways to prevent that with some bottlenecking or compartmentalizing. For the most part. Still trying to avoid linearity.

>>6372030
A lot of old PC gamers haven't. My dad hasn't. I think he tried Resident Evil 2 on a PS1 once.

>>6372230
Interesting colors. Is this like a heavenly realm?

>>6372047
Valiant had a better roster of new monsters. And I like that it includes a buffed chaingun.

>>6372252
Yeah I wish Eviternity had included a new chaingun to go with the buffed pistol.

>>6372248
No, that's just the colors I used for the bonus level sky texture. I'm going to change that before the end.
It's an atlantis/mu/sunken civilization thing. It's a multi-cultural type thing that existed before the war.
Some of the same cultures that you could see in the museum level.

>>6371950
>Map is called "Go Fuck Yourself"
>Map fucks you preventing you from doing so alone
wooooooooooooooow

>>6372291
So is that an archvile or what?

>>6372258
>atlantis/mu/sunken civilization thing
Could you steal some textures from Heretic for that? I remember some "underwater" levels with lots of blue walls in it.

>>6372291

>>6372315
I'm not stealing textures for this. The closest I have is some textures I repainted for a Thief high res texture pack, and even that bothers me a little.

>>6371821
finally someone who shares my feelings. Fuck NEIS and fuck those assholes behind it.

>>6372291
That gerardo guy on DW recreated this for his Doom 64 missing monster project. It actually looks pretty good relative to the others, if not a bit less detailed, but since it'd be digitized, all those bits would vanish anyway.

>>6372325
why though

>>6372320

>arch
>vial

>>6372315
That screen looks pretty cool desu. What port is that? Is Heretic the game that's basically a series of switchhunts, though?

>>6372336
You're thinking of Hexen, Heretic is Doom but fantasy with some new weapons, tweaks to damage rolls, and an inventory system
Fantastic art direction too

>>6372336
p sure it's just gzdoom with a heretic AI upscale texture pack.

>>6372291
My very first reaction to seeing a female arch-vile was NOPE, but if the sounds are done right, it could actually be even cooler than the original. A high-pitched shriek as an alert sound, and some hellish witch pain and death sounds would be ebin. I feel like I've heard a sound that would be suitable for a death sound but I don't have a link. She'd have to be flat-chested, though, to come across as emaciated and corpse-like

>>6372337
Tweaked damage rolls? You sure? It always seemed to me that the RNG was about as extreme or worse as Doom's. For example it takes 3-6 crossbow shots to kill the axe knights.

>>6372347
Hence why I say tweaked, it's noticeably different from Doom's damage rolls. Dicerolls are fucking wild in Heretic.

OpenGL or D3D?.

>>6372346
I got it! I was thinking of Infested Kerrigan from Brood War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA308PjYn6Y

>>6372347
looking at the source code:

> staff: 5-20, picks between the two at complete random
> wand: 7-14, also full random
> gauntlets: d8 on melee, whereas doom does d10
> crossbow: normal d8, same as doom
> dragon claw: same doom d8, but hitscan
aside from certain attacks doing less damage against bosses, and the powered mace instakilling non-bosses, all the rest use the same damage calcuation/ randomization as doom
though a lot of the base damage are rather low, and heretic enemies generally have more health than doom monsters

and in the mace code
> return TELEFRAG_DAMAGE; // Something's gonna die

This level is my worst nightmare

>>6372425
FUCK IT GOT WORSE

>>6371949
how

>>6372082
Not Redneck?

>>6372431
which map is this? i played it before but i forgot

>>6372434
>big three
I don't think redneck counts

>>6372425
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

>>6372438
"200 Megahurts"

>>6371348
Yes, for example some numbers in the table appear multiple times, while some don't appear at all, aslo many guns sequentially call several numbers in a row (like SG and SSG) which limits the actual combnation of rolls they can have.
All this means is that certain numbers have higher chance of appearing since they are in the table several times.
In GZDoom's RNG there are all rolls in-between are possible, and there's no numbers that have higher weight than others.
Picrelated is an example of damage probabilities for plasma in Vanilla.
As you can see there's a better chance at dealing 15 or 25 damage than dealing 20.
In GZDoom that chance is even.

>>6372434
Redneck Rampage may appear to belong with the big 3 due to its prominent humor and representationalist locales, but its a huge step down in quality.
Powerslave (DOS) is a vastly superior Build game. The combat is just decent but it has some of the best level design of any 90s fps.

>>6372447
i thought that was pale monument from sunder

>>6372456
>but its a huge step down in quality.
Eh. From Shadow Warrior it's a slight step down in quality, maybe.

>>6372347
Wand, Crossbow, Claw and Phoenix rod are slightly more powerful than Pistol, SG, Chaingun and RL respectively, on the other hand Hellstaff is much weaker than Plasmagun, only a bit stronger than Claw/Chaingun
There's no SSG-type gun.
But you have to take in mind that all these weapons have powered up modes, and there are plenty of Tomes of Power that scattered around the levels, and you can bring one across the level. Many people neglect to use them when situation arises for some reason. Powered Claw for example can easily obliterate crowds of enemies, and powered Gauntlets can allow you to tank through almost anything.
Also there are bombs and Morph Ovum.

Heretic's enemies are beefier than Doom's however they do not approach the sponge level of Barons of Hell. Even the miniboss Iron Lich can be taken out in just 3 Phoenix blasts.

Overall I don'
t find Heretic's enemy/weapon composition to be worse than that of Doom in terms of fighting enjoyment. Also their behaviour is somewhat more intersting - the Disciples of D'Sparil (the caco equivalent) shoot spreadshots and blink, and miniboss Iron Liches/Maulotaur attack patterns are more engaging than anything Doom has.

>>6372461
SW is much more enjoyable to play than RR with its super shitty hitboxes.

>>6371343
zdoom and gzdoom still use a deterministic PRNG, which is still the reason their demo and netplay features work at all, and why doing the same things after reloading from a save will get you the exact same behavior and the exact same damage values every time
it's just the PRNG used in them is more sophisticated than "pull this number from a table", so you get a much more even distribution

the other guy saying that zdoom and gzdoom netplay directly syncs actors is dead wrong, it still works through sending inputs, as checking NetUpdate() in d_net.cpp would verify

>>6371210
Hey guys, I have a question regarding a glitch in System Shock that's useful for speedrunning.

It is demonstrated here at the timestamp in the video
https://youtu.be/bSxXbcQwbFI?t=242

According to them, the idea is that you run into a door while crouching, uncrouch, and then save when you get right next to the door. When you save, the head clips through, allowing you to fully clip through the door. I've been trying to pull this off but so far I've been unsuccessful. Anyone here manage to pull it off? If so, could you give more details on the sequence of inputs/timing? I haven't been able to find any info online except for that SGDQ run.

>>6372461
Shadow Warrior has some flaws but its still way better. RR looks ugly as sin (everything is a shitty photo or 3d model rip), the enemies are annoying (both in design and in spouting lines), and the level design is a confusing mess (they literally have tiny identical black keys to open unmarked doors).
And dont forget that fucking sewer level. That was truly one of the least pleasant maps in all of mainstream FPS history.

>>6371509
>brown eyes
stop making this mistake
>>6371524
it looks correct to me

>>6371821
>>6372325
You guys are shitters

I made a playthrough video of the first map of 100 minutes of /vr/.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYtm0LUTECc
Pls no bully, I have a thick accent, I was struggling with the recording setup, but the volume and clarity still feels wrong, keyboard and mouse can be heard occasionally, and I used like 10 different renderers, but most of them messed up the video really bad. This one produced the best results. Honestly, this is very embarassing, but I did my best.

>>6371308
>In October 2015, the server was reported to take up over 800 gigabytes of storage and cost $90 a month to maintain.[8] As of April 2020, this has increased to 7,468 gigabytes from over 456,213 unique players, according to the server's owner.[9]

Does plutonia's difficulty peak at the twilight? (map15)

>>6371316
longest running anarchy minecraft server. it's very interesting. I never liked minecraft much but here's a few things about the server I found out.
>people do a sort of "version archaeology". Because of updates, the further away you get from spawn the more modern the terrain gen and items/blocks. So people can date things.
>players almost always are using cheats, xray etc.
>because everyone cheats there's a weird stalemate/balance to the pvp
>there's unique relics due to people exploiting old bugs that don't exist anymore. Things like unique godswords.
>the aim of the game for most players is to make large elaborate bases and structures and not get them griefed, the more elaborate and longer lasting bases are seen as desirable to grief and generate a sort of kudos.
>there's bases that have been around for years that people have never found, some active and some forgotten.
or my favourite
>there's a clan who make canals and their entire modus operandi is to make, repair and defend transport infrastructure. There's been wars fought over this shit with some clans constantly trying to destroy their work and other clans coming to their aid.
It's like something out of the battletech universe, it cracks me up

>>6371437
unlikely, there's no standard platform or anything for releasing wads so everyone does shit differently

>>6372742
Go 2 It is harder, but I think The Twilight is the biggeset difficulty spike compared to what had come previous.

>>6372665
Hello, decino's brother whom he keeps locked in the basement

so I found out the Doom novels from the 90's are available in ebook format on Amazon, got me wondering if I should buy them and give them a read when I next get paid

unless someone around here has copies they might be willing to share

I love the Egypt level in Duke Nukem World Tour.

>>6372775
The novels are in one of the megas in the OP. Just saying.
I'm gonna read them just out of morbid curiosity.

>>6371274

>>6371501
>>6372123
>>6372209
>>6372216
>>6372225
Thanks anons, I've updated the map with ideas you've mentioned. There are some minor lighting tweaks and bugfixes too. I've decided to just replace the Unmaker with the Plasma Rifle on all skills. Skill 2 should be just a little bit more difficult now, skill 3 is the same except the Plasma Rifle change and more ammo since it deals less damage. And skill 4 has all the suggestions added.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/y116e37hzc6c5v7/Desolate%20v1.1.7z?dl=0

>>6372232
desu I think you're really missing out on videogames if you don't play both PC games and console games.

>>6372801
I never did own a console myself as a kid. It seemed redundant both to me and my parents. So I missed out on a lot of games. And now I am too old to buy myself a console, just so I can play some exclusive.

>>6372808
Just emulate, dude.
Buy a decent USB gamepad, and then get some emulators for NES, Gameboy, SNES, and Genesis, super easy to get into. Back when I was a kid in the early 2000s, emulating old 8-bit and 16-bit games was considered one of the really big perks of a PC, everyone did it, because it was just piles of free and (usually good) games.

>>6372425

>>6371274
what editor did you use to make this?

i noticed when i try to load beta64.wad in the new port it will crash, but desolate.wad and jdagenet_wretched.wad will work just fine in the new port

>>6372816
Well, you can't emulate current gen games.
I really want to play FF VII Remake, because it looks dope. But I refuse to buy Playstation just for this game.
As for emulation I only recently started beating Metroid series. It's fun as fuck. I wish I played Super Metroid as a kid.

>>6372827
>I really want to play FF VII Remake, because it looks dope. But I refuse to buy Playstation just for this game.
Just watch the cutscenes on youtube. They padded the game with pointless dull fetch quests to justify having Disc 1 be Midgar only.

Is there any "minimal starter pack" for Eduke32? I'd like to experiment with the engine for a potential future project, but I don't have my Duke data on this machine (plus it would be easier to play around with placeholders than to strip down the full game).

>>6372796
this version is the same as the original :(

I might as well beat it again while I'm still here. I noticed a way that you can "cheese" the three hellknights trap in the starting room - if you never fire a shot from within the starting room once the first hellknight warps in, the other two hellknights will not warp in. So you use the cacodemon and imps to infight and weaken the first hellknight, then run into the room where the cacodemon spawns, and from there you can kill the first hellknight without alerting the other two hellknights. Same thing when the arachnotron+hellknight warp in: you let them infight, then kill the winner from the second room, and hellknights 2 and 3 will never warp in

Damnit! I can record demos in Doom64EX but not the new Steam port >:(

>>6372796

>>6372883
Oh god oh fuck I'm sorry, I accidentally put the old version in the folder. Uploaded again, thanks for noticing the thing with the Hell Knights, I will leave the way to cheese the fight but I added a crusher to kill them near the end of the level if you accidentally somehow miss them.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4i01os0bbby9ayz/Desolate%20v1.1%20for%20real%20this%20time.7z?dl=0

>>6372826
Doom Builder 64
The main issue with adding maps to the new port right now is that you just can't add new textures, at least I couldn't. I tried adding new music too but while it worked in the new port it crashed in Doom 64 EX. Beta 64 adds new textures and there are many other differences between how the wads are built internally and what is allowed which makes some stuff incompatible in one of the ports.

I want to play some Doom and Heretic and since today's Alien day the Aliens mappack for Doom. Should I buy them on Steam? Can I use a controller with that version? What about wads? I fear the modded community releases have more options to play than the retail version. Does it even make sense to buy these titles nowadays?

>>6372958
>Should I buy them on Steam?
They're free in the OP
>Can I use a controller
Keyboard+mouse or GTFO

>>6372958
>Should I buy them on Steam?
No, just buy Karmack a pizza if you really care so much about giving money to the devs.
>Can I use a controller with that version?
Why would you play FPS with controller?
>What about wads?
>I fear the modded community releases have more options to play than the retail version.
Community was honing their skills for quarter a century, what do you think?
>Does it even make sense to buy these titles nowadays?
None of the original devs are working in id, so no.

>>6372989
>>6372990
Thanks, anons!

What are some good weebo/jap cyberpunk wads?

>>6372958
>Should I buy them on Steam?
None of the original devs would ever be seeing that money, so just look to the OP to get the games.

Also, all of Doom's important assets are contained inside a single file that doesn't have to be modified. Fan-made content like maps and gameplay mods are likewise contained in their own separate files for the most part, and you can use a source port to play the game like it was in '93 or go with something more modern. So whether you actually buy or pirate doesn't matter on a technical level at this point.

>>6373016
demonsteele

>>6372958
Doom on Steam is literally the original game running in dosbox. It's as vanilla as it gets, for better or worse. The game doesn't have steamworks or anything of the sort which means you can replace the dosbox exe with gzdoom or whatever other sourceport and Steam will still track your gameplay time. Heretic is probably the same deal. You can play with a controller using gzdoom, not sure about other sourceports.

>>6372171
Post a screenshot of what it looks like, you probably just need to tweak scaling options. OpenGL will work fine if you don't have Vulkan support.

>>6372291
Boner, no. It is a ruse.

>>6373016
Maps:
Diabolous Ex.
Cool Skies 2 Which will never come out, because it is me who is making it.

Mods:
Final Doomer JPCP weapons set.
Lithium.

>>6372291
I like the pseudo-Giger theme, but I ultimately think the classic Vile is much scarier, he just looks like a huge and mutated, really just barely human looking corpse.

>>6371509
So, in this new batshit insane continuity is Doom Slayer still a grandson of BJ Blazkowicz? Asking for a friend.

>>6373068
Great Grandson and supposedly. I don't think they've said otherwise yet. Commander Keen is the Grandson of BJ and Doomguy is his son. Poor Doomslayer finding all those Commander Keen skulls in each game.

>>6373101
I am feeling Doomguy would be more traumatized that he's related to those two idiots from Youngblood. That would really shake my resolve.

>>6373068
>>6373101
Always disliked those ideas.

Just finished Hexen and Deathkings on hard. Thought I'd completed Deathkings already in the past but turns out I only played the first hub. Only had to look at a walkthrough once(!).

Any good custom Hexen map sets you'd recommend?

>>6372949
ANON - you have GOT to check out how good this level looks in this demo
> https://anonfile.com/9db4Dft4o7/DesolateDemoByAnon01_lmp
I recorded it in D64EX, so you have to play it back in EX as well, because the two source ports handle movement differently so demos desync. Use the launcher and type the commands "-file desolate.wad -playdemo desolatedemobyanon01". You probably know all this but I'm typing it just in case.

I'm starting to think it might just be better to fight the three hellknights in the starting room instead of avoiding it, but in this demo I use my strategy where I avoid alerting the 2nd and 3rd hellknights

>>6372515
>And dont forget that fucking sewer level
That, and the keys are the two things I agree with. The level design isn't that bad.

Can the new D64 episode be played in regular Doom64 EX? If so, is there a download for the episode anywhere?

>>6371210
I went to a general on /vg/ that was nudoom merged with /arena/ about 3 or 4 weeks ago. Many are still very thirsty, but why all the posts there consisting of just HUH?

>>6372334
This is what happens when you don't get 100% Item completion, kids.

>>6373280
rofl

new corruption cards card: health and armor bonuses are guarded by archviles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fL1t3G7J1o

>>6373292
> e1m1
> rocket launcher secret
> map02 music

>>6373292
I unironically like this song from Viper https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFkKMrDTvM0

>>6373183
Fuck, I can't get the demo to work, is your Doom 64 EX version 2.5? I keep getting the mismatched demo header error.

>>6373318
Shit I dunno, I use the one I got from the link in the OP. I'll download the official version from the website (I think it was last updated 2014?) and see if my demo works there

>>6373318
Damnit, I downloaded the D64EX version from the official website and my demo doesn't work on it. I will record a new demo then, and I'll start using this version of D64EX from now on.

I was gonna link you to the version of Doom64 that I found in the OP but I found more than one, so instead of downloading them all and seeing which one it it was, I'll just record a new demo

>>6373346
You don't have to, I've found the right version and I'm watching it right now.

>>6373292
Is this a nigger Pistoletov?

>>6373346
>>6373358
Very nice run anon, you found some interesting bugs such as the Arachnotron blocking the "garage door" from closing at the blue key fight and the raised wall trapping a Hell Knight. I don't think the first one really breaks anything, and the second one i don't know how to fix except maybe raising the ceiling so the Hell Knight can move? But it still would trap a Mancubus or an Arachnotron.

So, instead of modifying MAP01 from my previous project, I decided to remake it from scratch. Polyobjects are way easier to work with than I expected, though portals and 3D floors are giving me some trouble.

>>6373409
What weapon wad?

>>6373429
It's going to be a partial conversion, so I'm making my own weapons out of ruins of my failed Heretic weapon mod.

>>6373358
Whew, which version was it? For some reason, I cannot turn left or right with my mouse in this new version I downloaded!

>>6373385
TY, nice level anon :) I had a lot of fun grinding it. I beat it on skill 2 and 3 first so I knew my way around and I was grinding on skill 4 for a while to achieve that run.Sadly you cannot see my HUD in the demo so you can't see that I was saving the berserk for when I needed it and the Baron hit me REALLY hard so that's why I ran to grab the berserk when I did

Whats your favorite gun in retro FPSs?
I always like ice weapons, so duke nukems freezethrower is probably my favorite

>>6373443
Nevermind, 1 second internet search and I found out how to fix the mouse issue

>>6373445
I may be a complete retard, but I almost never use freeze thrower in D3D. I guess I don't know how to use it efficiently. I guess most D3D guns are is too gimmicky for me. Devastator is fun, but runs out of ammo very quickly, shrinking ray sometimes refuses to work because of weird collision detection, pipebombs are pretty situational and freezethrower takes a bit too long to kill a more powerful enemy. I caught myself using shotgun, RL and chaingun almost exclusively even in later episodes.
As for the question - either laser/plasma weapons or chainguns. Is there any FPS that has laser chainguns? All I can think of is Fallout 1/2.

>>6373445
Shadow Warrior grenade launcher. I fucking love grenade launchers, and this one is fine specimen indeed.

>>6373445
Q1 rocket launcher desu

>>6373016
Any map by zanieon :^)

>>6372291
i like to imagine this could be a succubus in doom, where even those were cyber in some way

>>6373445
Strife grenade launcher

>>6373150
Cyrgoth's Manor & Cyrgoth's Revenge

I'm playing Plutonia with pistol start and no saves and I have an announcement to make.
Ahem : FUCK MAP 12, FUCK MAP 15 and FUCK MAP 24.
That is all, thank you for your attention.

>>6373584
my pistol start run of Plutonia stopped at MAP26 and Ive never been able to get past it

>>6373450
>>6373443
For anyone else having the mouselook issue in EX: https://doom64ex.wordpress.com/2017/12/04/patch-for-windows-10-users/

>>6373640
I'm at MAP25 at the moment, we'll see how that goes

>>6373640
Start a new game on skill 2, warp to map 26, and beat the map on easy so that you can learn your way around the map. Then beat it on skill 3, then grind it on skill 4. If the map is EXTREMELY difficult then you might need to start on skill 1 first

>>6373640
>>6373681
I believe in you guys!

>>6373681
Good luck anon, I'm at MAP 25 and I fucking hate it.

>>6373584
Fuck map 10 and 25 too. (15 and 24 are fine though.)

>>6373724
Also, beat the map without cheating on skill 2 at least. Some time before you beat the map on skill 4, open the automap and use the IDDT cheat to reveal all the secrets, then use the IDDQD and IDCLIP cheats to visit each secret so you can use them in your UV run

Hey, this is pretty cool effect. You walk into a room and it's like entirely different room now.

>>6373640
I warped to map 26 to check it out and no wonder you haven't beaten it yet - I've been wandering around for 10 minutes with no idea where to go. I dunno why you guys do this to yourselves; this isn't fun.

>>6373771
Was that a silent teleporter or instant lifts?

>>6373798
Instant lift.

>>6373805
And how do you make the steps go to different heights with that?

>>6373771
Instant lifts is a classic mapping trick, if you're creative there's actually a lot that you can do with it.

>>6373807
Made tiny sectors outside the map and joined with this ones.

>>6371210

Is Chex Quest just a meme or legitimately good game, able to withstand the comparison with Doom?

>>6373816
the 3 eps are easy but really fun
shorter too
give it a whirl, it doesn't take much time to beat

>>6373816
It's surprisingly competent, but ultimately it's intended for little kids, so it's not very challenging.

>>6373816
For a thing that was given for free in a box of cereals and made within insane time constraints, it's pretty incredible how good it is.

If you don't care about the context, it's still pretty fun and worth a look as a curiosity.

>>6373838
>>6373827
Even on Ultra-Zorchent Zorcher start no mid-level zaves?

>>6373847
Try it with Fast Monsters, I guess.

What's your favorite modded map for sheer atmosphere?

>>6371210
Not really Doom related, but more related to Doom clones.
Weapons sprites i've ripped from Depth Dwellers.
Altough that game was shit i found that some weapon designs were kind of interesting even if simple.

>>6373881
A lot of that is visibly just shit they had lying around, like bolts, electric plugs, and caps for medicine bottles and what not. Are there any interesting mechanics attached to any of them?

>>6373893
Not really, no. But then again - same goes for Doom.

>>6373898
Fair enough, though the BFG is pretty esoteric in its function and gives some room for unusual tactics.

>>6373681
Me again, I've beaten it. It ain't so bad, the Hell knights room is a bit dickish. I'm glad I found the secret Megasphere.
Without spoilers, how is MAP26 of Plutonia ?

>>6373783
>>6373640
>>6373681
>>6373969
Just out of curiosity, and don't take this the wrong way - how old are you guys?

>>6374015
I was born the year Doom was released. Why do you ask tough guy?

>>6374025
Was just curious, anon
Good luck with the maps

>>6374026
Thanks m8

>>6371210

Wow it's so amazing to see a whole community WITHIN 4chan based around Doom. It's my favorite game of all time, I'm pretty much an expert on Ultimate Doom and Doom 2 at this point. I do wonder though - has anybody beaten it on Nightmare? Cause it seems like it's even harder than ultra-violent.

I'm trying to pick a texture that plays nice with metal pillars, has a matching switch and contrasts enough with marble to draw attention to this area. But so far can't think of anything.

>>6374080

get rid of the COMPBLU and just have the marble

>>6373893
Yeah, you got it right. They really look like bolts and caps.

>>6371256
If you don't have Half-Life, download XASH 3D and try the following mods:

PARANOIA
Black Star
Residual Point & Life
Uplink
Project Quantum Leap
Edge of Darkness
C.A.G.E.D. (on Steam)
Firearms

>>6374080

The blue is interesting but I think it only works if you got some kind of machinery nearby. Replace it with the hellish glowing red/blue? Or just the glowing red things?

>>6374171
There's a switch out of sight on top of the staircase which limits somewhat my options.

For now I settled for on brightly lit smooth marble, might switch to flesh later.

>>6373724
>>6373734
I almost forgot: make sure you're wearing purple socks and ate a breakfast of exclusively 4.37 eggs while you're doing all of this or else you're a fucking scrub.

Would you say replacing soul sphere with a berserk pack is a good idea for difference between medium and hard?

>>6374080
so Beetle, how many maps are you going to make in total? I haven't been following these past few days.

>>6374307
This is the fourth. I have also started fifth in parallel. I have also idea for 6th. Chances are this will be the point where I will decide I made enough to release "Act 1" but I also have a couple of prototypes and unfinished stuff I might incorporate into "Act 2".

>>6374327
meanwhile I only have one gigantic map that is about 90% finished, but it will still take a while.

>>6374342
Don't take too long, I liked that one. Rule number one of success: PRODUCE A LOT OF CONTENT FREQUENTLY.

Does Chocolate Doom faithfully replicate visplane overflow crash?

>>6374376
Yup.

>>6374437
That explains a lot.

How long do you think it'll take before we get our own board?

>>6374376
Yes, I learned this the hard way when playing through Chex Quest. In either the penultimate or last level, there's a large area of the map that can cause VPO because the map was poorly tested, and I had to do it all again.
Luckily, the game was designed for 4 year olds so I got back in about 4 minutes

>>6374453
never
these threads don’t move fast enough to warrant a whole board, and if they ever got faster, they’d be moved to /vg/, because hiro/staff probably aren’t keen on making yet another /v/ offshoot
you could probably make your own board on one of the other chans, just don’t expect anyone to come

>>6374453
Retard

How high does a pillar need to be to make sure you can't just archvile jump on it?

>>6374453
Retard

>>6374248
Highly dependant on the map. If you're ammo starved, the bezerk pack can be a godsend and better than a soulsphere. In most cases, the soulsphere will help far more, because getting the most value out the bezerk pack's healing depends on how hurt you are. Consider what condition you think the player will find themselves in, and if punching will be a useful ability.

>>6374453
Why? This is such a dumb question I want to hear your train of thought for this.

>>6374480
according to my calculation: 80

Duke 3D > Blood > SW

>>6373131
Hopefully BJ cheated on his wife and had another kid.

>>6374502
Very accurate. Duke 3D just does everything it wants to do right and as a result comes off as the strongest game in the "trilogy", Blood is a lot more ambitious and tries more things but ultimately didn't pull them off as well as Duke and as a result a lot of things are just kind of broken and others unpolished (like the level design for half the episodes after the first) and lastly everything about Shadow Warrior sounds good on paper, but the foundation of the game just isn't doing enough and the level design is really underwhelming compared to the other 2 games. I'd also like to say that I enjoyed Redneck Rampage a lot more than I thought I would, it's weird in the sense that everything in it is broken and janky but the level design really ties the game together and it ends up being more than the sum of its parts, if anything I'd really like to see the game get reworked to get the actual gameplay improved.

>>6374493
No reason really, just shitposting to see if ppl get indignant.

>>6374540
I appreciate the honesty, but there's better places to shitpost, anon.

>>6374540
>purposefully shitposting to see if people don't like it
I don't think you need to be Einstein to predict the result

>>6374529
I would consider putting blood on a closer level to duke 3d if it had better enemy design. I just don't think the enemies are as well designed as duke's enemies even if you can cheese a lot of them in duke with the shrinker

>>6374540
Leave. This is the last place on this shithole of a site not crawling with cancer and I want it to stay that way

>>6374575
I'd forgive Blood's enemy design more if it was a little more polished, the fact you can just negate some enemies by crouching (bloated butchers, stone gargoyles) or others will drain your health from 100 to 0 without you being able to do anything about it (hellhounds, choking hands) just reeks of the game needing a little longer development time. Duke's enemy design just feels a lot more consistent, it feels like all the enemies were carefully designed and they weren't really broken or janky outside of maybe the mini battlelords being shrinkable but only if you hit them in certain areas.

>>6374545
>>6374593
It's a slow and dull night, anons. In any case I'm back to posting on topic.

>>6374603
If cultists weren’t able to near-instantly remove 30 health the moment you peek from a corner, and all of the other monsters were retooled to be actually threatening, Blood would probably be one of my favorite games ever

>>6374502
>>6374529
I actually think Blood is the strongest in terms of weaponry (all the guns feel extremely satisfying to use, some of Duke's are kind of a slog desu) but beyond that I do like Duke better in terms of enemy design and just personal preference for the setting.

Spent a whole week compiling a modpack and ignored my job. Now that I have it finished I need to sort out all those task I should've done a week ago. I love Doom.
Gonna post pack in a few days, though, in case Doom Launcher will get an update, since it's a tiny bit bugged right now.

>>6374639
It's funny, Blood's entire arsenal looks incredibly gimmicky and unconventional at first glance, but most of it manages to still be solid yet unique. Every FPS has a shotgun or a rifle, but how many have voodoo staves and aerosol cans?

Finally finished plutonia, lightspeed is the hardest stage by some margin.

I'm trying to get gzdoom to work on my raspberry pi4. I have it installed and all, and can play, but the changes I make to the settings (display, controls, etc.) are never saved. It also crashes with fatal error when I exit out.

Running gzdoom 3.4.1

>>6373471
The Hyperblaster from Quake 2 is kind of a laser chaingun.

>>6373771
>>6373798
>>6373805
>>6373808
I'm familiar with silent teleporters, but how do instant lifts work?

>>6374738
That somehow reminds me how Doom essentially has two machine gun weapons, the chaingun and plasma rifle. Obviously the balancing in that is the plasma rifle has more damage, with the trade off being you have to account for projectile travel, but what's the general game design philosophy one should have when adding two guns of the same type (two MG's, shottys, etc.)?

>>6374743
They move so fast they're instant. Work just like any other lift.

>>6374757
I think some kind of added mechanic like armor penetration vs health damage is pretty nice. In Stalker the AK 5.45×39mm did more health damage while 5.56×45mm NATO rounds did more armor penetration. 9mm hollowpoints did insane health damage but did nothing vs heavily armored enemies. You also had to take into account things like recoil as some weapons really hurt but couldn't be fired full auto at a target far away. At least I think thats how it worked last I played it was with mods and thats how it worked there.

>>6372665
Mapper here, glad you enjoyed it!

>>6374757
that really depends on what kind of shooter you're making
if it's a fast paced arcade-like game, then making multiple guns of a similar style requires a different approach than a milsim like Arma or >>6374794

>>6374805
One easy way to make two MG type weapons is to make one like an assault rifle, with good accuracy but moderate damage and ROF, and make the other automatic weapon specialize in either damage and/or ROF, like a fast-firing submachine gun or something.

>>6374637
Blood still lacks the decent level design to me, if the whole game was on equal quality as the first episode, it would give Duke a run for its money, but it really peters out about halfway through and just becomes a jumble of uninteresting maps. I do think that Death Wish does a good job at providing some really great levels and if that were the actual game it would probably be on the same level as Duke.

>>6374639
I like the weaponry in both games, but Blood definitely has the higher highs in terms of weapons (the sawn-off shotgun alone would make it better), but I've never liked the hairspray (the tommy gun and dynamite do everything it does but better), the tesla rifle (it just kind of looks/sounds weak for the amount of damage it actually does) or the life leech (just doesn't do enough damage to make me want to use it). The Duke aresenal again is just more solid and consistent, nothing in there is too crazy but it's all functional and feels about right and satisfying to use except for maybe the freeezethrower and the tripmines, though the lack of alternative fires is something I definitely miss while playing it, but it's not exactly fair to hold it against Duke.

>>6372665
Fuck, I knew I forgot something, I have to include these.

>>6374756
Nice mix of the toothy and alien designs.

>>6371210

>>6374826
>>6374828

moar

>>6374828
Reminds me of Hellraiser somehow

>>6374813
the aerosol can is basically just for killing zombies & spiders without using up your good ammo

What are some good levels/wads for Demonsteele?

>>6374860
Scythe 2 was used by Term himself to test it, IIRC.

>>6374843
I suppose, but I love launching zombies up with a double-barreled shotgun blast. If you angle it up a little bit you can really get some distance on those guys.

>>6374868
also, if you hit them just right, you can decapitate the zombies with the shotgun.

>>6374756
reverse image search gives nothing, is there more to this?

>>6374757
The weapons need to fit distinct roles. All Doom's weapons have attributes that make them useful in some situations and near worthless in others.

Shared ammunition pools are a good way of of forcing the player to choose between ways of spending their resources. It's kind of a shame that the SSG, chaingun and BFG tend to be more useful in most situations than their counterparts.

>>6374756
Wow, Satanic Infestation is looking great.

>>6374826
>>6374828
Is this part of Refracted Reality?

As a modding newbie, Doom 4 Vanilla has really put a fresh coat of paint on Doom 2. I'm actually afraid of pinkies and imps

>>6374910
Personally, I only whip out the SSG for enemies that actually need it. Cacos or higher threats

I didn't like Doom 16 when I played about an hour of it when it came out, but I could never really put my finger on why.
Does anyone with some unfavorable opinions of it have some more concrete criticisms of it?

>>6374910
its not that they are more effective
its that they are (under most circumstances) more efficient

>>6375030
Nothing concrete, but the visuals always throws me off for some reason. It feels too busy to the point it becomes distracting and hard to focus on the gameplay.

>>6375032
One thing I think that offput me was the level design being really uninteresting. Maybe it got better as the game progressed, but that and other things I never was able to quantify made me just give up on it.

>>6375030
i had the same problem, it just didn't grab me the first time

i revisited it a year later after having come to terms with the fact that it plays nothing like doom and had a great time

>>6375030
One part of me wants to type out an essay with every complaint I have but I've already done that in these threads too many times. I'll just say I hate the tiny as fuck combat arenas where you don't get much room to actually run around. If you look at an arena it looks big on paper, but its actually a series of small platforms you jump around on. You MUST be facing the object you want to climb on top. Enemies are always crawling around so they're annoying to shoot and you can't keep track of them. Also I absolutely hate how things get animated these days. Imps don't keep their center of mass constant so shooting at one can lead to lots of randomly missed shots when it feels so strongly you should have hit it.

Now I sorta want to dig in the archives for the one old thread where tons of people gave some pretty long well thought out responses. At least to make a screenshot to throw in Gmanlives' face so he can stop saying "I went online and couldn't find aaaaaaany reason why this game isn't objectively the most perfect thing to ever happen." When he just shitposts on twitter all day

>>6374910
Plasma Rifle is unjustly slept on just because the BFG has bigger theoretical numbers. It's a fantastic weapon for nearly every situation.

>>6375059
It's definitely the best long range weapon against stationary targets.

>>6375059
I agree completely. Part of a designer's job is to incentivise players to make fun choices (like using the BBBBBBWANG rifle), but the BFG is just so efficient in its ammo in/damage out ratio that not saving your plasma for it becomes too sub-optimal.

>>6375030
It's slow and the color palettes are super dull, and I fucking hate the music and seeing people praise it. Eternal thankfully fixes all the gameplay-related issues, but the music is just as shitty.

>>6375030
I actually tried to play through but I got bored so I dropped it after the factory level (level 3 I think.)

Here's my (poorly presented) criticism:
>I played it on Ultraviolence and it was completely mindless and boring. Combat was trivial and to remain safe, I only had to press the awesome button whenever I got to low health (which IIRC was easy to avoid just by doing cycles in the ~skateparks~.)
>No matter what people say, glory kills absolutely do make the game worse even if you don't use them because damage values are tuned to allow you to put monsters in stagger range as frequently as possible. As a result you end up with the shotgun not killing the imps in one shot even at close range, which means you need to finish them off with another shot or a melee attack (and since after one shot they're not a threat, this is just cleanup instead of a challenge, and it really does hurt the game's pacing.)
>The monster number cap could be felt even at the very beginning, and it's way too low.
>I also found the mini-cutscenes insulting and aggravating (not just the glory kills, but things like being stuck in the room while the game's villain talks, or the game removing control to show you the fucking machinery rotating after you press a button in level 1 or 2.)
>The movement is also bad: it's slow and I find that having "free" vertical navigation defeats the point of arena navigation (mantling with the faster mantling rune basically means any vertical level you can mantle to is "your" level)
>The visuals were uninspired, and the colour choice was visually tiring and unpleasant to me (admittedly this is subjective.)
The guns I got also sounded really weak (and IIRC the sound design is really poor). I tried to play it on Nightmare but I lowered it at the first or second arena because IIRC it doubles the total number of monsters you have to kill per arena.

I also think this video has a lot of valid points: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9scguKZSS-U

>>6375076

desu anon about 3/4 of these criticisms seem to have less to do with the game itself and more with you being a crybaby

>>6375030
What I dislike about this game (and its sequel) is that they have essentially infinite resources. If you're low on health or ammo, a nearby monster will always be a source of those. Any mistake can be amended, it doesn't have any lasting impact or change how you approach the rest of the fight or a level. That's not what classic FPS games do, and I hate that.
Also the arenas are blatantly too restrictive, but I personally don't mind that too much, as Serious Sam might be a serious contender for Doom in my heart.

>>6375030
It feels more like Hotline Miami than a retro FPS (activate thing, kill bad guys, move to other thing, activate, rinse and repeat). Conveniently, I liked Hotline Miami so I didn't mind '16, but it could play a part on why you didn't enjoy certain aspects of the game.

>>6375112
no matter what way I try to look at his list and think about what constitutes the 3/4 of crybabyness, it all makes it sound like you bought into the hype and will refuse to say anything but "git gud lol"

>>6375112
I found him!

>>6375030
Someone is going to jump at me for this but Eternal exists and is better in every conceivable way. 2016 had nonexistent balance and enemy hierarchy was completely absent, the visuals were boring and one-note and just about nothing about the game demanded respect, did anything to grab your attention or had you think your way out of an unfavorable situation. The whole thing was just a mindless romp that saw you jumping back and forth two locations at random, and how people refer to its simplistic nature as a positive trait is baffling to me. The game TRIED to pose a challenge several times throughout but it never quite figured out how.

It's funny how I didn't mind any of these glaring issues at the time of playing (or rather, I just ignored them for the sake of my own time with it) but looking back, 2016 is way flawed for me to go back to. Perhaps when Doom 6 or whatever the fuck it's called comes out I'll look back on Eternal and skew my views on it the same exact way, but for now my opinion is that it is what 2016 should've been.

>>6375151
>2016 had nonexistent balance and enemy hierarchy was completely absent, the visuals were boring and one-note and just about nothing about the game demanded respect, did anything to grab your attention or had you think your way out of an unfavorable situation. The whole thing was just a mindless romp that saw you jumping back and forth two locations at random, and how people refer to its simplistic nature as a positive trait is baffling to me. The game TRIED to pose a challenge several times throughout but it never quite figured out how.
And how does Eternal succeed where 2016 failed in all this?

>>6375156
By taking things like ammo availability, weapon self damage, TTK efficiency and meaningful target prioritization into account (all pillars from classic Doom design) into account. I don't think 2016 ever made its heavy tier enemies feel like anything other than target practice dummies by comparison. In Eternal you are encouraged to wipe out the fodder before you tackle the heavies, dodge in and out, or play it safely and disable the weakspots, and then dispatch the trash.

>>6375030
I think 2016/Eternal are fun in their own way, but the whole "must kill all/specific enemies in room to unlock door to progress" does get tiring after a while.
Like, I think its a valid form of arena design, I just think it works better when its reserved for the rare Boss-style encounter, rather than something you experience multiple times per level.
I prefer what Classic Doom pwads often do with arena fights, in that you don't actually need to kill everything in the room, but instead often need to scramble for a key/switch in the area, or wait a set amount of time before being able to leave. Makes combat feel more about survival, rather than as a required objective.

>>6375030
It starts off kinda slow cause you only have 2 weapons (excluding the shitty pistol). It gets better as it progresses and the combat peaks once you get the gauss canon.

>>6375076
The shotgun is an unreliable piece of shit but you could dispatch an imp without effort in one point blank shot easily

also the stagger state is triggered upon enemy hp reaching a certain amount, it doesn't just give it an extra health bar

>>6375186
I bet that anon ran into the shifting center of mass problem described by >>6375054 without realizing it. Imps have arched backs, when they charge their attacks they shift to the side. So if you're aiming right under their head at what you think is their center of mass you're actually mostly hitting air. So at point blank he was missing half his shots and assumed he was getting a direct hit.

>tranniversary
What went wrong?

>>6375201
Not him, but I feel like that's part of what makes imps in the new games any sort of threat. They're very agile and hard to hit, and constantly run around with the ability to quickly toss a fireball while strafing. The shotgun's range and RoF struggle at longer ranges, so you need to use the HAR/Heavy Cannon to lock them down.

The imps in 2016 can get especially fucked though, with that ability they have to cling onto walls. It feels like even if you're directly hitting them while they're latched onto a surface, they survive much more damage on average than if they're running around. The fact that I never saw any imps try this in Eternal tells me they removed it.

AI enhanced ranger

>>6375207
weren't they a racist right winger who did a 180 after being banned from GDQ

>>6375030
The best way to look at it is look at what it removes from Doom:
>monster limit
>no infighting
>no level design
>in Doom most weapons had a defined purpose, Doom16 blurs the lines between weapons with upgrades
>instant weapon switching further makes every individual weapon's pros and cons irrelevant since the optimal way to play is rolling your face on the number keys firing one shot with each weapon
>no mods, mapping is severely restricted
On the flipside you get cutscenes, rip and tear memes and cinematic takedowns, three features that Doom definitely did not need.

>>6375251
>instant weapon switching further makes every individual weapon's pros and cons irrelevant since the optimal way to play is rolling your face on the number keys firing one shot with each weapon
Quake did this much better.

>>6375251
>no infighting
Eternal felt like a slap in the face in this regard. Enemies were infighting, but only until you showed up. Once Doomguy is in the picture, they forget all about their frenemies.
And then, just for a double dose of slapping, it turned out that their infighting did precisely zero damage to each other. God that was insulting.

>>6375258
I remember one retard from Russian 2ch defending the lack of infighting in Doom 4 because "hurr infighting is shit mechanic, it makes game less hardcore, game just plays by itself and you don't need to do anything to win".

>>6371308
If it's humans creating that, then I have never in my life before seen such concentrated autism.

>>6375251
And I forgot the most important part which is the actual combat. In Doom most projectiles are slow enough to be dodgeable and enemy behavior is simple, straightforward, and most importantly predictable. This means that, in addition to simply running around in circles, actively dodging projectiles and herding monsters are viable and often necessary strategies to deal with encounters, particularly in fanmade maps which expect the player to be very familiar with enemy behavior. In Doom16 monsters are more unpredictable, move around much faster, and projectiles are also generally much faster; while you would assume this makes the game more hardcore all it does is remove actively dodging and herding monsters as viable tactics in favor of just running around in circles.

>>6375262
Does that guy not realise that you can balance out mechanics by designing around them?

>>6371308
Do these buildings even have anything inside them? They all look hollow.

>>6375251
I agree most of those things suck, though the monster limit is understandable. And I'd say Doom 2016 level design (haven't played Eternal yet) is getting too much hate. The progression is usually more linear compared to original Doom, but the levels are good enough for the modern Doom gameplay, they just have a different goal. One good aspect of Doom 2016 levels is how they turn into somewhat of a collectathon with all the secrets and upgrades hidden around the map.

>>6375293
those are lava casts, a form of griefing

>>6375267
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/the-philmarilion

>>6374743
If you use "raise/lower to highest/lowest something" but this something is in the wrong direction, it will move instantly. For example here I've got a platforms told to lower to to higest floor, but they are below the higest floor.

In a room before that I told floor to raise to the lowest ceiling but put ceiling below them to make doors that instantly disappear, but I might undo that later.

>>6375301
I'd day Eternal's level design is more linear, if follows very simple "exploration section - arena -exploration section - arena - end level" pattern. It is not neccesarily a bad thing. The game flows very well thanks to that and it's balanced well enough so you don't get fed up with one or the other. And thanks to enemies having strengths and weaknesses, all weapons serve a purpose now. You kinda have to play this rock/paper/scissors with monsters, at least on paper. Trying to pick a fight with a Doom Hunter using only a rifle is suicide. Similarly, chaingun is useless on a cybermancubus, because fucker's armor is too thick so you will just run out ammo first, and so on. And Eternal throws way, waaaay more monsters at you, so some arenas start to feel like Doom 2 maps.

>>6374757
Doom has managed to cover all niches well. The only one perhaps missing is railgun/magnum kind of high-damage slow-firing weapon. Having more than 2 in the same niche is often not fun because it blurs the distinction.

>>6375301
It feels designed by committee, which is why I don't deign it worthy of being called level design. Here's a linear path that takes you from setpiece to setpiece, with little hidden rooms here and there where you can collect a skill point and/or some lore piece. Ever played the Shadow Warrior reboot? Hard Reset? The Darkness 2? Call of Juarez Gunslinger? Literally any modern FPS that claims to be designed according to arcade and/or retro sensibilities? The design in all of them is literally the same. On the topic of lore, I remember a writer for The Darkness 2 saying in an interview that the epic backstory described in the collectibles for that game was something he slapped together in a couple days because the game was about to go gold and they needed to tick the collectible lore checkbox. It's something I think about every time I see people obsessing over every detail of nuDoom's lore, trying to find a deeper meaning to it, some grand and well thought out story behind it all when there's a very real possibility it was all hastily and apathetically written by some dude just to tick a box.

>>6375339
BFG is fairly slow firing. I'd say Doom's weapon roster is good enough as is, if anything it's already got an almost unhealthy amount of overlap, I don't think adding more weapons would be useful.

>>6375347
BFG is a room-clearer. What is absent is something slow-firing that needs precise aiming, though it's probably not that great choice for Doom.

Though tome-of-power+firemace was kinda like this.

>>6375340
>when there's a very real possibility it was all hastily and apathetically written by some dude just to tick a box.
Of course it was. The entire nu-Doom's story is a joke. And it works because everybody's in on it. FFS, some of the lore entries in Eternal would make young John Romero jizz himself. The whole point of the story is that there is no point to this story. Doomguy is just That Guy in some DM's superserious campaign.

>>6375325
Fuck yeah, this will be most useful for the map I'm working in right now.

>>6375352
Would such a weapon work well in Doom? There is this whole autoaim thing, so there is a possibility this kind of weapon would be OP. Having a railgun that autoaims and gibs powerful enemies is a bit overpowered, even taking reload speed into account.

https://twitter.com/SandyofCthulhu/status/1254555323098173440

>>6375352
>>6375363
It would make the rocket launcher irrelevant except for extremely niche cases like killing a bunch of low tier enemies blobbed together with splash damage.

>>6375370
Well, she's better at Doom than I was at that age, so there is that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwV3uwM19EY

Sandy saved the shotgun from being scrapped. What a hero

>>6375340
I remember being confused in 2018-19 seeing posts on other sites saying shit like "I hope there's a story reason as to why the mancubus looks different." My first thought was "Who cares? They changed it to make a callback to the original."

Then I realized people actually did care. I'm sure there's lore in video games that's actually thought out and implemented well, but seeing surface-level Youtube videos by people like Midnight or whoever, with titles like "DOOM: CACODEMON LORE ANALYSIS AND ORIGINS" just makes me laugh at this point. Motherfucker, I'll tell you what the history of the cacodemon is: Someone ripped off an illustration on a D&D book and turned it into a floating head since it'd be easier to animate.

>>6374910
normal shotgun is good for far away targets. the reduced damage output is offset by bullets actually hitting the target so ultimately you waste less ammo as if you'd try to hit enemy with SSG.

>>6375398
You've got a point, but you still annoy me.

>>6375339
>The only one perhaps missing is railgun/magnum kind of high-damage slow-firing weapon.
skulltag adds a railgun and fairly few people use it

>>6375347
bfg is more of an explosive panic button type weapon.

>>6375398
modern gamers are soulless NPCs and just do things that look human so they come up with those weird youtube videos

>>6375276
Yep, nail on the head. The enemies projectile speeds and unpredictability created situations where the optimal strategy was always 'run around, shoot where possible'. It was impossible to strategize on the fly as you do in classic doom.

>>6375414
Indeed, slow projectiles have their niche, they're more effective area denial attacks.

>>6375398
a big part of dooms charm to me is the mishmash of various sources, and how it feels connected to the real world, if that makes any sense
the guns are photos of dollar store toys, one of the wall textures is a scan of one of the dev’s knee scabs, and the enemies are a mix of being hand drawn and clay models
it all feels gritty and sharp and unrefined, whereas later doom engine games have better spritework yet feel weak

it really feels like the team was making do with what they had access to, and for lack of a better word, gives the game “soul”

>>6375429
>yet feel weak
Eh, debatable.

When does placement of hitscanners make it bad for you?

>>6375414
>It was impossible to strategize on the fly as you do in classic doom.
For all of it faults, Eternal tried to fix that and at least on paper, there is a large amount of strategizing on the fly. Mostly involving how to counter certain enemy with a certain weapon, and kill them fast, because the combat speed is faster than ever. At least you no longer have a weapon that carries you thoughout the whole game, like Gauss Rifle/SSG in 2016.

>>6375437
When there's a shitload of them and they're all surrounding me

>>6375276
>>6375414
there was a GDC postmortem thingy about Doom 2016 and the gist of their design was explicitly make the player never stop moving, because the team felt that high speed and constant movement was the cornerstone of what makes Doom fun, and have pretty simplistic AI as a result though it explicitly punishes camping the same piece of cover and will fire more projectiles and more accurately if you are staying still

you also are vastly overstating the importance of "strategy" in classic doom too, for the most part it's better to just click on demons fast then try to fuck around herding them in any sense. maybe sometimes there's "puzzle encounters" with explosive barrels but even those are relatively rare compared to normal stand-up firefights, and it's generally better in both games to isolate enemies and blast them at close range with the shotgun/ssg rather than herd them together

>>6375429
>"soul"
get the fuck out

>>6375438
>SSG upgrades let you pierce through enemies, reload near instantly, and fire twice at full power
>every enemy can melt from this except the cybermanc and maybe the baron
what were they thinking

>>6375445
I think the importance of strategy in classic doom mainly comes into play with Plutonia and pwads more than with Doom 1 and Doom 2 specifically.

>>6375446
ssg is a meme. literally. people would have flipped shit if the ssg wasnt in the game and would have flipped out even harder if it wasn't insanely powerful (despite the original ssg just being "really good" not outright OP)

>>6375408
True, but this use is undermined by the chaingun being as good or better in the same situation. The shotgun doesn't become entirely obsolete, but it gets far less usuage once the SSG and chaingun are both in the player's inventory.

>>6375446
In Eternal you can only upgrade reload speed and hook cooldown. And SSG is only really efficient at point-blank range and even on HMP that's a death sentence. So you really have to nail the mobility to be efficient with this weapon.

>>6375457
What if you have a chaingun, but no bullets?

>>6375437
Teleport ambushes where it's pretty much impossible not to get tagged at least once.

>>6375460
I mean, it is a big weapon, to zonking a zombie in the face with it should be efficient enough.

Should I reshuffle monster placement here? I think it's fun even if I can't beat it today or even climb up to SSG.

>>6375437
ledges that have hidden arch-viles that'll resurrect them constantly.
I love Plutonia, but holy fuck that shit was just cruel.

>>6375437
hitscanners too far away to actually hit with your own weapons so they get infinite free damage on you. Also hitscanners obscured by opaque false walls and decorations they get to shoot through but you cant see them as you mysteriously keep taking damage and can never figure out from where.

I just got an awful idea and I'm just curious if this has been done before
>player gets teleported directly on top of an invisibility sphere in a room filled with mancubi

>>6375481
Scythe had a similar thing with cyberdemons.

>>6375446
Don’t forget that it has a very boring altfire which lets you tighten the spread and nothing more, which reduces the only real drawback it has

>>6375446
>and fire twice at full power

while consuming 1 ammo per shot no less

>>6375481
I always thought it would be interesting to make projectile monsters always fire like you were invisible.

>>6375485
...so that's what it does. I swear, I've beaten 2016 4 times on UV and never realized that. I'm an idiot.

>>6375495
Having all monsters fire at random directions all the time would be dumb and unfun. But a singular enemy who does that is a good idea. Something like, say, a mancubus without a head could do the job and telegraph the idea to the player.