/vr/ - Retro Games

I regret buying one back then. The distribution in my country was so shit I was better off with a Sega Saturn.
Mario 64 was great at the time but nowadays I can't stomach it like I can Ocarina of Time. The library is very limited in terms of things I like and the ones I do, most were ported to superior platforms that don't have the hideous video quality of the N64.

>>6347219
>best shooters of that gen
*raises eyebrow*
>>6347219
>great 3D platformers
True. Nothing is ever going to beat Ocarina of Time, honestly.
>>6347219
>So let's talk about your favorite N64 games
Turok Dinosaur Hunter and Shadows of the Empire are two of the best games ever made. Both are immersive and mysterious, due to draw distance of course, but it works.

I've got a big soft spot for the console, it was the first one I "picked out", and I have a lot of nostalgic memories tied to the multiplayer. Everyone else had a Playstation, so I brought the 4 player games.

But most of the third party games have vastly superior versions elsewhere. Performance on most games was pretty poor overall. And while I "dealt" with collectathons it was never a genre I liked.

The multiplayer racing games had to be my favorite part. 15 fps of pure adrenaline. Easy to get people who usually dont play games to try a few rounds because of the easy to understand gameplay.

>>6347304
>most were ported to superior platforms that don't have the hideous video quality of the N64.
Aside from that horizontal blur pass that you can remove with the de-blur option on RGB / HDMI mod, there's nothing wrong with the N64's video quality.

I'd be cautious about looking at certain multiplats as being superior just cause they run on a console with higher specs. The N64 version of Shadow Man is probably better than the Dreamcast version because the DC version has the most irritating stutter and surprisingly the N64 version doesn't and is smoother. The PC version of Shadow Man is great though.

>>6347219
Had one as a kid, played the games worth playing on it, nothing else to really discover, lots of reason to dislike it. Easily my least favorite console pre-milennium. Militant fanboys make it my most disliked console of all time.

>>6347368
>there's nothing wrong with the N64's video quality.
There's a lot wrong with it. A mix of an aggressive dither, requiring modification to allow rgb, aggressive anti-aliasing which produces very mixed results and an intense texture filter which doesn't do enough to mitigate poor quality textures.

>>6347520
>aggressive anti-aliasing which produces very mixed results
Your other points are fairly valid (though dither and textures are somewhat period issues), but there aren't any disadvantages to edge anti-aliasing.

>>6347525
>but there aren't any disadvantages to edge anti-aliasing.
there wouldn't be if its results were more consistent but the system is too low res for that to matter.

>>6347527
>there wouldn't be if its results were more consistent but the system is too low res for that to matter.
I don't understand your point. It's has disadvantages for image quality even though you can't see its effects because the res is too low? That's illogical.

there are only 3-4 games on N64 that I really love. most genres I enjoy didn't really exist on N64, although it must've been 10/10 if you were passionate about 3d platformers or collectathons. not a bad thing, it's just not for me. mischief makers and bangai o are fantastic though.

>>6347530
Consistency can't be achieved because the AA pass lacks the precision to smooth out jagged lines. Some parts of a scene will have smooth edges, other parts will not. This is because it's a 240p console.

It's a pretty divisive console, but I'm on the side who really enjoyed it.
I had a PlayStation first (and a 3DO before that), and then I got a N64 and finally a Saturn, all of them bought between 1996 and 97, so I got to experience 5th gen as a whole, and N64 still came out as my favorite.
Great single player experiences, great multi-player experience. Maybe I would have given the PS more time if I was into RPGs.

>>6347534
>Consistency can't be achieved because the AA pass lacks the precision to smooth out jagged lines. Some parts of a scene will have smooth edges, other parts will not. This is because it's a 240p console.
That's not how edge anti-aliasing works on the N64. Every pixel that the console draws has a coverage value associated with it in the framebuffer.

It's not like the console scans the framebuffer as a post-process "looking" for the edges, and a lower resolution distorts the search. The console has already marked out all the edges through the pixel pipeline and stored the results to memory. It's as consistent as it gets.

>>6347542
>It's as consistent as it gets.
Seems like a waste, which is why it's usually disabled in the many mods for the system.

>>6347562
>Seems like a waste, which is why it's usually disabled in the many mods for the system.
It's impossible to fully disable. The N64 executes edge AA in two passes, one executed in the middle of the pixel pipeline for the interior edges of polygons, and the second pass executed in the VI at the end of the pixel pipeline for the exterior edges of polygons.

Only the second pass can be disabled, but it's generally done by mistake. The people who write Gameshark codes basically disable *everything* that the VI does in order to make the picture less blurry, but what they're really after is (the thing that actually makes the screen blurry) is the VI's dither filter (incidentally, a dither filter was also the 'special feature' of the 3dfx Voodoo cards) . The edge anti-aliasing pass doesn't blur the screen.

>>6347583
All that shit for such a damaging part of the systems visuals.

>>6347593
>for such a damaging part of the systems visuals.
Well it was nice talking to you, hope you eventually recover from your intellectual challenges.

>>6347602
Yeah, you ran out of things to say pretty quickly there. Try pacing yourself, it'll help you maintain focus.

>>6347304
>hideous video quality
Are you kidding me? N64 looks absolutely breathtaking on a CRT

>>6347219
Probably my favorite 5th gen console since I don't like JRPGs or SHMUPs that much but do love FPS and 3D platformers.

>>6347219
Will always have a special place in my heart,
My dad bought mom one for her Mother’s Day present, I can see why they divorced.

>>6348000
because their son is retarded?

>>6347219
>great racing games
So much this
Always had a blast with Top Gear Overdrive, Star Wars Racer and Cruisin USA

It's makes Sonyggers seethe 24 years later.

N64 needed more 3rd party support, and Square hated them. It was not suitable for 2D games, or anything with FMVs, but it was a 3D power house and they could have used that. So many great PS1 games could have worked just as well on the N64.

General:
>attract more ps1/sat ports
>Attract 3D fighting games
>Attract RPG/adventure games
>attract First person adventure

Ports that should have happened:

>Silent Hill
>Metal Gear Solid
>Dino Crisis
> Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver
>Bushido Blade 1 +2
>Tomb Raider series
>Klonoa
>Tomba 1/2
>Armored Core series
>King's Field and Shadow Tower
>Battle Arena Toshiden
>Deception series
>Echo Night series

>>6348761
>Metal Gear Solid
How do you port this radio drama to a console with 64MB cartridges (and only if you are really ready to pay big bucks for their manufacturing)?

>>6348856

PD showed how mp3 audio can work. MP3 plus cutting some uneeded CODEC calls you could easily fit it. Audio compression should have occurred earlier in the console's lifespan. Full voice acting from the console's launch could have made N64 much more attractive.

>>6348926

PS1/SAT will have the FMVs and you can't bridge that but you can close the gap with everything else.

How to save the N64 in several early steps without changing any hardware:

>SNES-64 + NES-64 addon cartridges for backwards compatibility (if you're using cartridges might as well)
>audio compression from day 1, and adopt MP3 when it comes out, allowing for voice acting
>more third party games + patch things up with square as much as possible
>attract PS1 ports

>>6348948
>>more third party games + patch things up with square as much as possible
You would need to change hardware to do this. That's why they left Nintendo.

The N64's exclusives are incredible. It did not have the game quantity but it sure as hell had the quality. Loved the 3D platformers on it more than anything that's ever came since. Mario Odyssey wishes it was 64, even if it's the closest Nintendo's come since. The multiplayer experience was ace as well. Mario Party 2/3, Smash Bros, DK64, Conker... really damn good memories with friends.

You can tell how good it was by how upset it makes PS1 owners.

>>6349108
>You can tell how good it was by how upset it makes PS1 owners.
Correct. The PS1 has a few classics, but most of it was shovelware. What never fails to shut down a PS1tard is to ask them to quickly list 10 awesome games for it. They freeze up every time, but when asked the same about the N64 anyone can quickly spew out solid lists of ten to compare with each other.

n64 apologists are always coping and seething, kek

How does it feel to have your childhood pass you by without a chadstation?

>>6347368
Which rgb mods have deblur? I want to rgb mod my n64 to use with hdretrovision component cables.

>>6348948
Saturn also had ADX audio later in it's life which I'd say is better than MP3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHlrHvt1dUE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22eeG9kxVdY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pTtsnVHowI

>>6349118
why is it always sonyggers who are obsessed with console warring?
I had a PS back then, and only got a N64 later. I prefer N64.
In fact, I prefer both N64 and Saturn over PS.

>>6349117
>What never fails to shut down a PS1tard is to ask them to quickly list 10 awesome games for it. They freeze up every time

Final Fantasy 7
Final Fantasy 8
Final Fantasy 9
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy Chronicles
Final Fantasy Anthology
Final Fantasy Origins
Final Fantasy Tactics
Chrono Cross
Star Ocean 2
Persona
Persona 2
The Legend of Dragoon
Wild Arms
Wild Arms 2
Grandia
Lunar Silver Star Story
Lunar 2 Eternal Blue
Breath of Fire 3
Breath of Fire 4
Xenogears
Suikoden
Suikoden 2
Parasite Eve
Parasite Eve II
Valkyrie Profile
Vagrant Story
Legend of Mana
Alundra
Alundra 2
Tales of Destiny
Tales of Eternia
Dragon Quest 7
Vandal Hearts
Vandal Hearts 2
Arc the Lad Collection
Tekken
Tekken 2
Tekken 3
Soul Edge
Ridge Racer
Rage Racer
Ridge Racer Type 4
Metal Gear Solid
Policenauts
Castlevania Symphony of the Night
Castlevania Chronicles
Resident Evil
Resident Evil 2
Resident Evil 3
Megaman 8
Megaman X3
Megaman X4
Megaman X5
Megaman X6
Megaman Legends
Megaman Legends 2
Grand Theft Auto
Grand Theft Auto 2
Klonoa
Wipeout
Wipeout 2049
Wipeout 3
Crash Bandicoot
Crash Bandicoot 2
Crash Bandicoot 3
Crash Team Racing
Spyro the Dragon
Spyro 2
Spyro 3
Gran Turismo
Gran Turismo 2
Elemental Gearbold
Time Crisis
Tomb Raider
Tomb Raider 2
Tomb Raider 3
Raystorm
RayCrisis
Dino Crisis
Dino Crisis 2

And that's just scratching the surface.

>>6347219
>it lost the generation
It made more money the PS1.
Sounds like a win to me.

>>6347329
shooters in this context means FPS

>>6349174
Yeah sure.
>>6349171
14+ minutes
Sorry, you lose.

>>6349183
>14+ minutes

Because clearly your posts are so important that everyone reads them and responds within seconds of you posting them.

>>6349171
>Grandia
>Final Fantasy 7
>Final Fantasy 8
>Final Fantasy 9
>Final Fantasy Tactics
>Final Fantasy Chronicles
>Final Fantasy Anthology
>Final Fantasy Origins
>Final Fantasy Tactics
>Megaman 8
>Megaman X3
>Megaman X4
>Megaman X5
>Megaman X6
>Megaman Legends
>Megaman Legends 2
^cringe especially on the Mega Man. And a yikes.

>>6349186
What ever lies you have to tell yourself to cope with losing those franchises to Sony.

>>6349193
Idgaf about RPGs unless they're called Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, the second best Zelda game. Mega Man past 3 just hurts.

>>6349198
>Zelda, RPG

I just love how Zelda get's whored out to represent whatever genre an N64 fanboy needs to try and fill at the moment.

One minute it's an RPG, next it's a platformer, next it's an adventure game. What's next? Horse race simulator?

>>6349204
>I just love how Zelda get's whored out to represent whatever genre an N64 fanboy needs to try and fill at the moment.
Probably because Zelda managed to be almost all genres? And what's not RPG about Zelda II? Are the enemies on the map not random? Do you not gain experience points?
>>6349204
>One minute it's an RPG, next it's a platformer, next it's an adventure game. What's next? Horse race simulator?
True, Zelda does manage to be the perfect game with pic related.

>>6349198
god awful taste anon

>>6349241
Does Ax Battler for Game Gear count? I like that game, also Faxanadu is great.

>>6348960

The CD space and freedom was a big draw of the PS, while the cartridge format was a big complaint. You could never get FMVs on that, but with audio compression you could have full voice acting for even early N64 titles. There's a LOT of Playstation games that use minimal FMVs and are fully 3D (like Silent Hill for instance), that would work perfectly on the N64. It's a bit odd they went for RE2-64 when that game is really not a good fit for the N64 when there were so many games that would have worked better.

>>6347329
he means goldeneye and perfect dark obvs

>>6349117
>The PS1 has a few classics, but most of it was shovelware.

You could say the same for Famicom and Super-fami. Any big console is going to have 2,000+ games because it's so popular thus you get a lot of crap games. For those consoles I feel like I'm constantly learning about new obscure interesting and Japanese only titles.

>>6349331
>You could say the same for Famicom and Super-fami
You're right and I do. The SNES had some really cool games, but they were a handful to the tons of great Genesis games. Don't get me wrong, Pilotwngs, U.N. Squadron;et al were great, but yeah there were diamonds in a sea of coal.

>>6349331
>For those consoles I feel like I'm constantly learning about new obscure interesting and Japanese only titles.
That too. Earth Light comes to mind.

You simply can't have threads about 5th gen consoles without Sonyfags ruining the thread with their console wars.
The same happens in Saturn threads.

I don't care for collect-a-thons, or arcade racers, and that took up much of the N64 "best games". I like shooters and action games.

My personal top 10 N64 games:

>World Driver Championship
>Doom 64
>Goldeneye
>Perfect Dark
>Turok 2
>Sin and Punishment: Successor to the Earth
>Zelda: Ocarina
>Zelda: Majora's
>Goemon’s Great Adventure
>Turok: Rage Wars

>>6349348
It's not really Sony Fans, it's delusional N64 fanboys who try to rewrite history by saying dumb shit like this >>6349117

>What never fails to shut down a PS1tard is to ask them to quickly list 10 awesome games for it. They freeze up every time.

There's easily 100 games awesome PS1 games any fan of the system can name. Whether the genres are your personal taste or not doesn't change the fact they're good games that are looked back on fondly.

>>6349230
It's a good game, but it's just a 3D Adventure game at heart. The point being made is pick a genre to put it under. You can't just keep moving it from genre to genre to try and fill in holes.

The N64 isn't a bad system, but you can't deny there's some massive holes in it's library. If you enjoyed Fighting Games, RPGs, Shmups, 2D Games, Arcade games, Strategy games, etc. you were pretty much screwed with the N64 unless you were happy with playing the same few games over and over again.

Lately I play
>Wave racer
>Mario tennis
>Mario party 3
>Oot
>Goldeneye/Perfect dark
>Starwars episode 1: racer
>Starfox
>Sm64
>Pokemon Snap

On a pvm2530. Idk how people could not get enjoyment out of this console.

>>6349446
Saturn and Playstation have holes in their libraries too. Don't act like either have many FPS games or 3D platformers.

>>6349446
>It's not really Sony Fans
But it is. I'm not saying the other consoles don't have fanboys, but Sony fans are always very quick to hop into N64/Saturn threads to shitpost.

>>6349446
>It's a good game, but it's just a 3D Adventure game at heart
Maybe so, but it's also the best fishing game in existence too. I love it.
>The N64 isn't a bad system, but you can't deny there's some massive holes in it's library.
You're right, it's foolish to even try to deny that fact. That's why owning multiple systems is what nature intended; the N64 offered the best of what it could feasibly offer.

>>6349454
Sure, the Saturn is lacking with 3D Platformers and FPSes. Of the two I'd say 3D Platformers is the weaker one. What it has there is either experimental (NiGHTS, Burning Rangers) or a lackluster version (Tomb Raider, Croc, etc.).

FPSes though it's not too bad as it as Quake, Duke Nukem 3D, Powerslave, Hexen, etc.

The PS1 though is definitely not lacking in those genres. Just because you don't know about them doesn't change that fact.

>>6349467
Except in the Saturn threads (at least current ones) it's been N64 fans shitting them up.

>>6349482
>Quake, Duke Nukem 3D, Powerslave, Hexen, etc.
All are inferior ports, not even memeing.
>The PS1 though is definitely not lacking in those genres
Medal of Honor and Alien Resurrection are all I can really think of when it comes to FPS on Playstation and neither are great.

>>6349169
Not everyone has low t

>>6349482
>Except in the Saturn threads (at least current ones) it's been N64 fans shitting them up.
Yeah, I saw the N64fag in the recent Saturn thread, but still that's 1 time, compared to the countless times I've seen Sonyfags shit up Saturn threads.

>>6349495
So being a poor kid with only 1 system is being high test? High testicular cancer, maybe.

>>6349171
Why would you include compilations like FF chronicles/origins, etc? They're awful versions with unnecessary loading times.

>>6348856
Conker Bad Fur Day had more than 2 hours of recordes dialogs in MP3 format.

007 Twine also had a bunch of spoken dialog , much more than the cd based psx version.

>>6349348
So true. Sonyggers are so butthurt about this. Someone make a meme of "I dont think about you at all" and make it n64 and ps1.

>>6349446
>holes in its library
Why does every system have to cover all genres? Why does every system have to be tailor-made to your tastes?
I accept that Sega consoles are for arcade game lovers. It isnt my style, but do you see me busting in to Sega threads spouting off about how Sega has a dearth of [insert my own preferred genre]?

>>6349171
you posted Final Fantasy Tactics twice....
Tomb Raider games are fucking dire.
What if i am not into RPGs? Besides nintendo had the best RPG of 5th gen (Pokemon).

Plus you have posted a load of Jap shit that nobody bought, cares or knows about.
You know, sonyggers should honestly be banned. You faggots are totally ruining this board.

>>6349492
Powerslave is a completely different game on Saturn from it's PC version. And the PS1 version is a port of the Saturn version. Quake is an acceptable port for the time. Same with Duke Nukem 3D, which had online multiplayer that still works.

>Medal of Honor and Alien Resurrection are all I can really think of when it comes to FPS on Playstation and neither are great.

Off the top of my head:

Doom
Hexen
Duke Nukem 3D
Quake 2
Powerslave
007 The World is Not Enough
Star Wars Dark Forces
Rainbow Six Series
Medal of Honor Series
Alien Trilogy
Tenka
Disruptor

Whether the games fit your personal tastes isn't really the debate here, it's whether the PS1 is lacking in FPS games. Which it wasn't.

>>6349496
It's been N64 fans the last 3 or 4 Saturn threads.

>>6349507
Origins is a full on remake and is the first English release of FF2. Chronicles is nice for those who didn't have an SNES at the time.

>>6349528
>Powerslave is a completely different game on Saturn from it's PC version. And the PS1 version is a port of the Saturn version
The PC version is better.
>Whether the games fit your personal tastes isn't really the debate here, it's whether the PS1 is lacking in FPS games. Which it wasn't.
Considering every game you listed is an inferior port with the lone exceptions of Disruptor and Medal of Honor (6/10 games at best) I'm going with yes the system is lacking in FPS games. The ports of Duke 3D, Hexen and Rainbow Six are actual garbage too.

>>6349528
Ah, I've figured out why sonyggers post in N64 threads.
Because in all the time it takes the PS to load, you have 10 full minutes to kill, so you shitpost online and vent your anger at how long it takes to load by seething at N64chads.

>>6349535
We can call it loadposting.

>>6349535
By this logic there should be way more rich kids with Neo Geo CD consoles.

>>6349525
>Why does every system have to cover all genres?

So it has a well balanced library that appeals to as many people as possible. That's what makes a system successful. It's why Sony won.

>You accidentally wrote the same game twice in a list of 81 games.
My bad, doesn't invalidate the rest of the list.

>Tomb Raider games are fucking dire.

Yeah, that's why they all sold well and are still looked back on fondly to this day. Just because they're not your personal taste doesn't change that they're overall considered good classic PS1 games.

>What if i am not into RPGs?
And what if I am? What do I have to play on the N64? Again your personal tastes don't change the fact that there's huge holes in the library.

> Besides nintendo had the best RPG of 5th gen (Pokemon).

On the Gameboy, all the N64 got were companion games.

>Plus you have posted a load of Jap shit that nobody bought

Yeah, No one bought Final Fantasy VII. It definitely wasn't one of the highest selling games on the PS1.

Just because you grew up under a rock with only an N64 doesn't mean those PS1 games didn't sell and weren't popular. Just about all of them are considered classics that defined the system.

Again, this isn't Sonyfans causing this shit. It's N64 fans who insist on downplaying and talking shit about a system they clearly never played.

>>6349539
Not them, but Neo Geo owners are all collectors that don't ever play their super expensive games, and with NG CD you may as well subtract that already minuscule number down to insignificance.

tl;dr I've never even heard of anyone owning a Neo Geo CD outside of odious youtube personalities.

>>6349542
>Again, this isn't Sonyfans causing this shit. It's N64 fans who insist o
You are literally loadposting on an N64 thread. Nobody is making you do this. It is you who is doing it. You and other weeb sonyggers. Seriously man, your obsession with Nintendo is like a rejected incel who is gonna go shoot up his school or something. Calm down, and go away. Just let your PlayStation load. It will load eventually, you know. You just need to give it another 20 minutes.

For the record, I had a PS1. It sits comfortably in my cupboard gathering dust while my 64 sits under my TV and sees regular use.

>>6349542
>Sony won
They lost money on every PS unit sold. Nintendo made a profit 5th gen.

>So it has a well balanced library that appeals to as many people as possibl
But why though? Man it is as if you are personally butthurt about Square and Nintendo falling out. Like , as if some financial argument between two Japanese software companies in like, 1994 still gives you nightmares or something. Really, get over it dude.
And you know, by your logic, I could criticize the Xbox 360 for having no jrpgs, no real time strategy, no 3D platformers, no fucking point-and-click mystery games.

>the Ps4 has no text-based adventures 2D platformer space tennis games, waah, waah, waah, Sony fell out with some Western developer in like 2002, waah waah

Man, you are a fucking tiresome human being. Are you a nigger?

>>6349542
congrats on totally derailing yet another Nintendo thread you absolute fucking nigger.

Do you get paid for doing this?

>>6349534
Ok, let's use this logic on N64 FPSes:

Quake - Better on PC
Quake 2 - Better on PC
Turok - Better on PC
Turok 2 - Better on PC
Doom - Better on PC
Rainbow Six Series - Better on PC
Duke Nukem 3D - Better on PC
Foresaken 64 - Better on PC

Honestly, if you go through a list of N64 FPS games you can remove a massive chunk of them with "Better on PC" logic. When you do that you're just left with Perfect Dark, Goldeneye, and not much else.

>>6349535
>10 minute load times.
If your PS1 is taking that long to load there's something wrong with it.

>>6349560
>>6349572
I wasn't the one who started it, I simply replied to the N64fan who tried to downplay the PS1's library saying PS1 fans couldn't even list 10 good games. I listed 80.

>>6349579
>Turok - Better on PC
>Turok 2 - Better on PC
The PC versions in those cases are the ports and they aren't direct upgrades from the N64 versions.
>Doom - Better on PC
>Quake 2 - Better on PC
Not even ports.

>>6349570
>They lost money on every PS unit sold. Nintendo made a profit 5th gen.

But how much did they make on licensing and software?

>But why though?

So your console has more mass appeal and sells better.

>Man it is as if you are personally butthurt about Square and Nintendo falling out.

Why would I be butthurt about it? I got to play the games on PS1. I'm simply pointing out that the N64 is severely lacking in RPGs, far worse than the PS1 and Saturn lack in 3D Platformers and FPSes.

It's a big hole and it's a valid complaint about the system if you like those kind of games.

>Xbox 360 for having no jrpgs
The Xbox 360 has plenty of JRPGs. More than the N64 for sure. It had plenty of 3D Platformers too.

>>6349589
>The PC versions in those cases are the ports and they aren't direct upgrades from the N64 versions.

They run better on PC and have a better draw distance.

>Not even ports.
If it's good enough for you to use against Powerslave then it's good enough for me to use against Doom and Quake 2.

>>6349579
>I wasn't the one who started it, I simply replied to the N64fan who tried to downplay the PS1's library saying PS1 fans couldn't even list 10 good games. I listed 80.
lol Good Sonydog. Good.

Anyway, the N64 is a solid system any way you slice it.

>>6349590
>They run better on PC and have a better draw distance.
The visuals are worse in some ways and there is no underwater music. Like I said it isn't a direct upgrade.
>If it's good enough for you to use against Powerslave then it's good enough for me to use against Doom and Quake 2.
Doom 64 doesn't even share assets with Doom 1&2 and Quake 2 on the N64 is better than the PC version. Powerslave's console port is worse than the PC version.

>>6349579
>Doom - Better on PC

That game out on PC like 20-25 years later. If you wanted to play them you had to get an N64.

>Turok - Better on PC
>Turok 2 - Better on PC

They did get Windows versions but good luck getting those to run after the early 90's. The difficulty of the ancient versions is a reason why they made a new version. And Turok 3 and Rage wars were N64 exclusives.

The virgin PSX kid
>2 ports unless you pay more
>only plays depressing rpgs alone in bedroom
>doesn't have any friends anyway, has to play CTR with mom, sister, or bro
>awful load times
>nobody at school has heard of most of the games you talk about
The Chad N64 kid
>four ports and multiplayer games always support it
>plays fun action games because they require and reward skill
>invites friends over to play lots of 4-player games, then later plays with the whole family after they go home
>no CD load times, only bonding over blowing into cartridges
>everyone knows the popular N64 games and has played them before

this is just a shitpost, calm your tits

>>6349590
>But how much did they make on licensing and software?
Not much because the licensing royalties on PS1 were extremely low. Sony actually jacked them up a bit on PS2 since they had then established a solid market foothold.

nintentrannies are so pathetic.
You think the N64fags are bad? Try listening to them defend the shitcube

Transitioning from SNES to N64 was rough. I remember playing Castlevania, Mega Man, and Squaresoft RPGs, buying an N64, then watching all the stuff I developed a taste for go straight to the competition. For an N64 owner, the Playstation looked amazing with all those FMVs, full voice acting, and classic IPs.
Years later, I finally caught up with the PSX games I missed and realized the PSX library is kind of shit.
All the SNES IPs got worse on PSX.
Megaman X-X3, Super Castlevania IV, and Chrono Trigger were never topped. Super Metroid is better than Symphony Of The Night. And A Link to The past better than Alundra.
Turns out the N64 was the better console all along.
Nothing on PSX ever came close to Wave Race, Goldeneye, Ocarina, F-Zero X, Star Fox 64, and to be honest I even prefer Legacy Of Darkness to Symphony Of The Night.
No way could the PSX could outdo the N64 in quality. It couldn't even outdo the SNES.
I'm convinced the only way it won that generation was through superior marketing.
Too bad everything Nintendo released after the N64 was pure shit though.

>>6349613
>blowing into cartridges
If you had to do that with N64 games you fail at life. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen an N64 game fail to boot first on the first try.

>>6349919

This is your brain on nostalgia.

>>6349919
>I even prefer Legacy Of Darkness to Symphony Of The Night.
Based AF, game is underrated as hell.

>>6349919
>Wave Race,

Kind of a boring tech demo to be honest. It's really there to show off the waves, which it does well, but as an actually game it's pretty bland. there's a million better PS1/Sat racing games, and hell even N64.

>F-Zero X

I love F-Zero X but you have to admit it's really ugly. It's the only way they could get it to work at 60fps.

>Star Fox 64

Eh, Panzer Dragoon is just much more interesting a game given that you have full 360 control. For that reason the PS1 game Gamera 2000 is kinda neat too.

>Ocarina

Only thing I can think of that comes close would be something like Brightis, but tha'ts more of a dungeon crawler.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX27r0FON44

The PS1 could never do a big open 3D adventure game like that, at least not at that size. That's why PS1 games were different. That's why it had games like resident Evil series, or Vagrant story. So I do think overall the best 3D action-adventure games was Zelda of that era.

The PS1 did have a ton of first person adventure games though. Echo Night series, Shadow Tower, King's Field. Different genre though.

>Legacy Of Darkness to Symphony Of The Night.

I love Legacy of Darkness, but yikes, that's a pretty crazy take.

>>6349230
Having the most superficial of RPG charasteristic like stat progression and random enemies do not make it into an RPG.
Pro tip: JRPGs are not RPGs.

>>6349528
>It's been N64 fans the last 3 or 4 Saturn threads
And it's bien sony fanboys in the previous few hundred threads.
I'm not defending nintendo fanboys too. They have their shitty aspect too, as do sega or pc fans, but sony fans manage to be the worst of the bunch

>>6350163
In Panzer Dragoon you shoot in all directions, but in Star Fox you control the flying speed. Both games have their own gimmick that sets them apart from the rest of the genre. I would agree that PD is more interesting, though.

>>6347219
first time i played N64 was with Corn in probably 2003
i was impressed enough with mario64 on that that i went and picked up a second hand system from cash converters
now i don't regret opting for a ps1 instead, but the n64 is certainly worth owning as well

>>6350203
I don't get it. You play a role, you gain experience, there's RNG, you level up, so how is it not an RPG?

>>6347368
>>6347637
It looks like shit since it was composite-only or at best s-video. Saturn's composite shits all over N64's s-video as well, the signal itself is terrible, nevermind the native blurry anti-aliasing combined with the trilinear texture filtering.
Call me crazy, but I always prefered seeing razor sharp pixels, even on CRT.

>>6349492
- Alien Resurrection
- not great
Ask me how I know you never used a PS Mouse.

>>6350163
WR64 is an amazing arcade racer that's fun to play for both racing or stunts (or both at the same time).
Same with 1080 Snowboarding, which I still think is the best snoawboarding game, or at least top 3. But Wave Race is one of a kind. Not even arcade jetski games were as good. The waves weren't just pretty to look at, they affected the physics and the controls. It's still a marvel.
EAD in N64 era somehow pulled some arcade magic.

>>6349492
>Alien Resurrection
>not great
Ask me how I know you never used a PS Mouse.

>>6350084
>I don't think I've ever seen an N64 game fail to boot first on the first try.
I've had to repair a few used N64 carts. They had a very bad design for the cartridges.

>>6350610
What's the set up like with the mouse? I have one.

>>6350603
>WR64 is an amazing arcade racer that's fun to play for both racing or stunts (or both at the same time).
Just has like no fucking tracks. Game gets boring fast.

>>6350632
Do you even arcade racing?

>>6350665
nintendo doesn't do arcade racing

My top 3 fav systems are FC, MD and SFC, but N64 comes 4th place for sure.
I'll dump some screenshots or whatever cool N64-related pic I may have.

>>6350668
ok.
Just letting your zoomer ass know that some of the best arcade racing games only have 3 tracks.

>>6350672
yeah, nintendo doesn't do arcade racers they do grinding racers.

>>6350587
>the native blurry anti-aliasing combined with the trilinear texture filtering.
Idiot

>>6350620
From what I remember, you use the gamepad on the left hand to walk, strafe and activate stuff, and the mouse on the right hand to shoot/reload.
It works really well.

>>6349525
>It isnt my style, but do you see me busting in to Sega threads spouting off about how Sega has a dearth of [insert my own preferred genre]?
Because the genres you like are trash. If a platform has a shortage of good games anyone has the right to point out (just like people love to do with the MS, neogeo, or any other lesser known platforms).

>>6350717
Is this the n64's Street fighter?

>>6350740

>>6347219
After all these years it's still my favorite Nintendo console. My first Nintendo console was a SNES, but during that time I still preferred the Genesis and games on it 90% of the time. It wasn't until the N64 came out that my eyes were opened to how based Nintendo was. I didn't care about the lack of RPGs since I didn't really get into that genre until the early 2000s. In terms of Platformers, FPS, Adventure, Racing, and Puzzle games it was very hard to beat.

>>6349171
i had both and got to enjoy what both had to offer. feels good man

>>6347219
>best shooters of that gen
Not really. The likes of Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, and Turok don't play so well with the N64 controller nowadays, and if it weren't for that (as well as having the same control scheme of the later, non vr TimeSplitters games) i could've agreeded on that point.
>great racing games
You're sorta right. Diddy Kong Racing and Star Wars Episode 1: Racer are pretty good albeit there are also a few that are very mediocre (like Mario Kart 64).
>great 3D platformers
Outside of stinkers like DK64 (which fortunately aren't many), you're fully right on this one.
>great puzzle games
I sadly have no words on this as i never played any on the N64 (nor do i remember seeing any outside of maybe Tetrisphere).

But yeah, aside from all that it still is a pretty decent console for one that has a very limited library of games, Mischief Makers and Mystical Ninja starring Goemon being my go-to games on it.

It was no SNES, but this was the party console. I'd hang out with friends after school and play 4 player Smash, Battle Tanx, Star Fox, Goldeneye, and other games. I like the distinctive fuzzy N64 look, too, it is pleasant. Definitely the best console of the 5th gen.

Part of me still wishes I got an N64 for my bday one year, but I don't regret having my PS1. Sure, Medal of Honor was no Goldeneye and Ape Escape was no Mario 64, but they were good enough.

>>6350892
>I sadly have no words on this as i never played any on the N64
I'm not really sure what he's talking about because there's like 3 puzzle games on the system. Wetrix, tetrisphere and magical tetris? It's not really what the system is known for. Those aren't exactly stand outs like money puzzle exchanger.

>>6349171
>lunar
Originally Mega CD
>Chrono Cross
Cringe
>Breath of Fire
OK, you got me.
>almost everything else
cringe

>>6350963
I wanted one at the time, but I basically got the exact experience because everyone else had one. I then bought one used for 20 bucks after the PS2 came out and most of my friends simply gave me their N64 games because they didn't want them anymore.

>>6350984
there's like 3 other versions of tetris

also puzzle bobble 2, 3 and puyo puyo sun

>>6347219
>the hardware limited many of the games.
It wasn't the hardware, but the cartridges, the N64 was more powerful than the Saturn and PS1.

>>6351489
>the N64 was more powerful than the Saturn and PS1.
On paper yes, in practice it couldn't keep up with its own capabilities

>>6348057
obsessed

>>6349204
Hahahaha you destroyed him

whats a good cost x benefit everdrive for 64?

>>6350163
>Kind of a boring tech demo to be honest. It's really there to show off the waves, which it does well, but as an actually game it's pretty bland. there's a million better PS1/Sat racing games, and hell even N64.
Wave Race in 1996 was definitely not "boring". It was sorcery, and to this day nothing compares to the bouncy feel of the water and physics. It's still talked about frequently over anything on Saturn or PSX. I mean, what was the closest PSX had? Jet Moto? There's no comparison.
>I love F-Zero X but you have to admit it's really ugly. It's the only way they could get it to work at 60fps.
And PSX had... Wipeout (which was also on N64). But it doesn't come close. Yes F-Zero X had simple graphics, but that gameplay man... And If you wanted graphics in a future racer there was also Extreme-G - also better than Wipeout. Just the first Extreme-G though, the second one sucked.
>Eh, Panzer Dragoon is just much more interesting a game given that you have full 360 control.
I have the Sega Ages Panzer Dragoon on PS2. It's ok. But if I'm going to honest, it's a little boring.
>Brightis
Have you played Brightis? If you have, you'd realize it's shit.

>>6351513
>cost x benefit
1. did you grow up with the n64 and play its bigger titles?
2. did you also play some of the lesser known ones like mischief makers and the goemon games?
3. did you want to play the handful of japanese games/translations like sin & punishment on real hardware?
If yes, yes, no the everdrive is going to be a bit pointless.
if yes, no, no the everdrive will have some nice surprises for you
if no, no, no it's not a bad idea especially if the price of one isn't straining you.

If you already have a number of games that you're happy with, you won't get much out of it. The library isn't very big and if you do want one after all considerations, I'd advise against the premium model that lets you play animal forest because it's a waste of money.

>>6350163
>The PS1 did have a ton of first person adventure games though. Echo Night series, Shadow Tower, King's Field. Different genre though.
If someone is into this genere, then yes, the PSX wins. N64 had one - Shadowgate 64. It's meh.
>Legacy Of Darkness to Symphony Of The Night.
I know everyone likes to suck off Symphony Of The Night, but you can play this shit in your sleep. I definitely was, because I could barely keep my eyes open during it. It's pretty, but it's the easiest game of that gen. The upside down castle was a huge slog as well. Legacy Of Darkness get's confused for Castlevania 64 when people talk about it's bad camera - not realizing it was fixed (D-pad moves it around, R centers it, zooming out makes it more manageable). And if you grew up playing NES and SNES Castlevania, it was amazing to see that translate to 3D at the time.

I'm not saying the PSX was total garbage. Ignoring the countless JRPG slogs, I'll give it Ridge Racer 4, Mega Man Legends, and Ghost In The Shell (even if it was only 4 hours long). But if you had a SNES back then, you could easily skip the PSX for the N64 and not miss much.

>>6350163
>you have to admit it's really ugly

I don't. Untextured polygons is by far the superior choice for any 5th gen game. Nice and clean look.

>>6351541
>you could easily skip the PSX for the N64 and not miss much.
Might be the dumbest post I've ever seen. If you like games period the PS1 is one of the most appealing consoles of all time. If you want to be part of a zeitgeist the N64 is more appealing but 20 years down the line who cares?

>>6351547
Most big "Playstation" titles aren't exclusive to the Playstation.

>>6351549
Some aren't, who cares if it's big or not? If all you play are games that sell several million units I have to seriously question your taste.

>>6347219
Everyone had a playstation, but at least one kid in every group of friends had an N64

>Most wished for ports
Four player Unholy War
Legend of Legaia would have been interesting, just to see what could be improved and what would need to be cut.

>>6351551
Many other Playstation games also aren't Playstation exclusive.

>>6351591
Same with the N64, what's your point? Exclusives isn't exactly a winning play for the N64 in comparison to the PS1.

>>6351597
On retro consoles, no, not at all, N64 is full of exclusives. I'm not talking about Nintendo virtual console vs. Playstation Store/Steam here.

>>6351602
>On retro consoles, no, not at all, N64 is full of exclusives
Full is an exaggeration, it did have its share. PS1 ran laps around it in that field.

>>6351617
You have to do some deep diving into obscure stuff to find them. I have a pretty sizable collection of PSX stuff I've picked up over the years to play on my PS2. About 35 games. 4 of them are exclusives: Twisted Metal, DQ 7, Star Ocean 2, and Breath of Fire 4. I don't think DQ7 or Star Ocean 2 are great games, either, I have them because they were under 5 bucks at the time.

>>6351626
>You have to do some deep diving into obscure stuff to find them
You don't, and even if you do why is this bad? You seem to only really like popular games for some reason.

>>6351629
I don't base my opinions on popularity; N64 has no "hidden Gems", everyone knows about every good game on the system.

>>6351643
>I don't base my opinions on popularity
Good, so we both agree it's irrelevant. Let's move on then. There's obvious surface level titles that are very popular exclusives on the PS1. Ridge Racer as a series, Ace Combat, 5 Crash games, 3 Spyro games. Once you get into the less popular ones the library of exclusives grows exponentially.
>everyone knows about every good game on the system.
Because there aren't very many, the PS1 is different because there's a ton people don't know about.

blast from the past

>>6351626
>Twisted Metal
Twisted Metal actually has an obscure as hell PC port released only in Japan.

>>6351610
texture filtering really didn't do a lot of games any favours

>>6352127
I don't understand how someone could look at this and say "yeah but it would look so much better if everything was pixelated"

>>6352127
I don't really see any major problem there. Of course it'd look better if it was displayed at the actual 240p resolution and on a CRT, but still looks pretty good on that gif.
It's less about on-papers aspects and more about artistic direction. It works there.

>>6352136
Soul.

>Basednyggers cant even let Nintendies have a thread

>>6352136
CLEAN IT UP JANNY

>>6352191
based Sonys○yboys

FUCK nintendo.

>>6353115
The part in his intro where he makes the background red is actually a really good use of fog.

>>6347219
>best shooters of that gen
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA

>>6350587
>saturnfag
every fucking time.

Is it possible to get an authentic or 3rd party/usb n64 controller with working rumble pak to work with an emulator?

>>6350668
Automobili Lamborghini says hi

>>6350675
why weren't there more sprite-based N64 games? I know the gen was heavily focused on 3D but some of the most famous games on both the PS1 and Saturn were 2D. Mischief Makers is the only notable one I can think of on the N64 and it's more of a cult classic than the likes of Mega Man X4 and Symphony of the Night.

>>6349919
You're baiting if you think FF got worse on the PS1

>>6349525
>pokemon
>5th gen
Game Boy was released during the NES's lifespan. It's 3rd gen.

>>6349542
>My bad, doesn't invalidate the rest of the list.
Don't sweat it, Tactics really is that good.

>>6350118
Fucking collectors, why does it have to be upwards of $70?

>>6353535
Final Fantasy VI. Ever heard of it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3AzdiWHEuc

>>6353963
>got his opinion from projared
>calls me a zoomer

>>6349919
>I'm convinced the only way it won that generation was through superior marketing
N64 was 1 1/2 J, 1 US, 1 1/2 EU years late to the party

>>6353963
One of the weakest FF games to be honest, very much a hipster pick.

>>6354243
>>6354312
FF contrarians need to stick to their containment threads.

>>6354338
>gets called out for shit opinion
>"g-go back to your containment thread!"

HLE shit looks so disgusting.

Which emulators are the best nowadays for N64 emulation on pc?

>>6354034
godly if not tool assisted

N64 racers in general were good. I appreciate Cruisin World for being a gigantic piece of shit arcade game, and I played the hell out of it. I love that game. Don't overlook Cruisin World.

>>6347219
>>best shooters of that gen (often held back by hardware)
someone didn't have a pc back in the 90s

>>6354549
>Posts FFX
Hahaha! Why do people who only post about Final Fantasy always such faggots?

>>6353524
there's a few, paper mario is very popular, if that counts

>>6353524
>why weren't there more sprite-based N64 games?
There's no hardware based reason. N64 would draw 2D much like a PS1, only faster. It just didn't make business sense to deal with Nintendo's expensive cartridges. Third parties usually only made games for N64 if they wanted to do things with 3D that would take too much effort to pull off on the PS1.

>>6354896
eh, i'm not sure i can agree with that one
i got an N64 quite after the fact (~2003) and have played a number of games on it, including crusin' world, and i was really not impressed by it

idk, maybe i'm just not into plain driving simulators, i'd much prefer to play say, Rollcage over Gran Turismo 2

>>6349251
fuck yeah. ax battler

>>6349613
like a chad would play videogames in the 90s.
try extreme sports, bra

>>6356116

Notable racers:

>World Driver Championship
>Rush series
>Diddy Kong Racing
>Mario Kart 64
>F-Zero X
>Star Wars pod Racer
>Cruisin series
>Beetle Adventure racing
>Snowboard Kids
>Wipeout 64
>Destruction Derby 64
>Ridge Racer 64
>Mickey's Speedway USA
>Choro Q (Penny Racers)
>Choro-Q 64 2
>Extreme G series

>>6350603
there are more than 3 snowboarding games at all in existence?
just sounds like a niche genre but ok

>>6347219
> 388 games worldwide.
Jesus. From Nintendo coming off the snes that's absolutely abysmal. If you were to go back in time nobody would believe you.

>>6347304
Just like the SS being more congealed than designed the fact that it had some truly great games despite being shit is a testament to both Sega and Nintendo's developer prowess back then.

>>6347219
>tfw you saved for a month top buy N64 when it came out for 250 squids
>tfw you couldn't afford any games
>tfw watching that one Saturday morning show that had games in it
>tfw dad sees Mario 643 in action and whips out a tenner so you can afford to buy it.
>tfw they only had a display model available
>tfw 64 bits
>tfw playing 3d Mario for the first time
>tfw buying Pilotwings 64 the next week
>tfw those two games lasted months, didn't give a shit about having any others

Absolute joy

>>6347356
f-zero, goldeneye, Quake 2, that one 3d space shooter multiplayer I cant remember, Mario Kart

holy shit it was great for multiplayer

>>6356248

If anything the PlayStation is the continuation of the SNES, and the Sega Saturn the continuation of the PC-Engine.

>>6349171
Not a single one of those games is a classic lmao

>>6356363
>that one 3d space shooter multiplayer I cant remember
forsaken?

I just bought a flascart and I'm enjoying games that I've never played, like Rigde Racer 64 or Castlevania Legacy of darkness.

Those games are sweet.

>>6356473
Here's your (You), retard

>>6356520
>I just bought a flascart
Where do I get one of these?

>>6349171
>80% of the games in the ist are gayRPGs
>tons of 2D titles that had their best incarnations in the SNES
>N64 action-adventure platformers shit all over Crash, Spyro and Klonoa
>N64 FPS shit all over Metal Gear and Resident Evil
>N64 kart racers shit all over PSX ones
>Zelda is better than Tomb Raider
>F-Zero X is better than Wipeout
>Ridge Racer 64 is the superior version
So, all you got is Tekken.

>>6349446
>The N64 isn't a bad system, but you can't deny there's some massive holes in it's library. If you enjoyed Fighting Games, RPGs, Shmups, 2D Games, Arcade games, Strategy games, etc. you were pretty much screwed with the N64 unless you were happy with playing the same few games over and over again.

True, the N64 wasnt made for the friendless incel types.

>lost the generation
I always felt so bad for PS1 Bros. It was clear by which console you had how many friends you had. The n64 has some of the best couch co op games.

Just find a room and fuck, sonyggers and nintenyearolds, you are clearly in love with each other.

>>6353446
I bought a Saturn in my 20s. I bought an N64 when I was 8. N64's video quality is absolute garbage.

>>6349171
PS1 era was the golden age for JRPGs, goddamn.

>>6356506
YESS thats it, loved that shit. Good soundtrack as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5j0wZNKS70

>>6356946
>RPGs
>loading times
I love some of the PS1 RPGs, but nah.

>>6356575
I use Everdrive, the last version is great and even supports Pokemon Stadium 2 and Doubotsu no mori.

https://everdrive.me/

Perfect Dark was awesome as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVM3pEMubUU

Is the Gamecube port of Majoras Mask really as bad as people say or?

Pilotwings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0cILnAicZU

>>6347219
>great racing games
>great puzzle games
Neither of those are an accomplishment. Having good racing and puzzle games is something any console by that point could accomplish.
>>6347329
>*raises eyebrow*
Go the fuck back to redit.

>>6347219
I had an N64 along with my PS1 and some older consoles back in the day, and I fucking loved Goldeneye. Played it as much as MGS and FFVII to be honest. I basically bought the thing just for that one game.

I ended up liking other stuff for it too, but it never got the play time my other consoles did. Just not enough new stuff coming out. And I got every multiplatform game for the PS1 instead, because they were usually cheaper.

That was the thing about that console back when it was still active: every other platform had a dozen or more new games come out every month and N64 barely had 2 on good months. It was miserable. It was nice, but it ended up as a footnote to my collection then because of that. 16 year old me couldn't deal with a console that only had 10 good games with nothing good on the horizon most of the time.

>>6349172
>It made more money the PS1.
Except it didn't. Nintendo made more money from fucking pokemon than N64.
>>6351489
>N64 was more powerful than the Saturn and PS1.
At 3D, yes. It lack capabilities to draw butmap graphics and also lack dedicated audio hardware. The latter was absolutely retarded, forcing developers to rely on the CPU for audio playback or use shitty compression.
>>6351541
>But if you had a SNES back then, you could easily skip the PSX for the N64 and not miss much.
Nintenfag detected.
>>6351549
>Most big "Playstation" titles aren't exclusive to the Playstation.
>>6351591
>Many other Playstation games also aren't Playstation exclusive.
Fucking gayest cope. Most of those ports either had shitty Saturn conversions or PC versions that were missing features (like MGS) and are a pain in the ass to run today.

>>6357006
>N64 barely had 2 on good months. It was miserable

No it wasn't. You just played the shit out of the ones you had. I could only afford one game per week max anyway at 30-60 squids each. I ended up with 60 N64 carts. Every genre I cared about, and many of them were never completed.

>>6357008
>It lack capabilities to draw butmap graphics
The N64 doesn't support buttmaps, but it certainly supports bitmaps.

>lack dedicated audio hardware. The latter was absolutely retarded, forcing developers to rely on the CPU for audio playback or use shitty compression.
Except the N64 supports hardware acceleration of audio with a vector unit. It may not be 'dedicated' but it doesn't need to rely on the CPU.

>>6357008
nobody cared about N64 sound then, nobody cares now except contrary fags complaining in an N64 appreciation thread.

FMV was about all you missed out on with N64. I was excited to buy Resident Evil 2 on N64 to get FMV cut scenes, but after you've seen it once, whats the point?

>>6351610
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i0zMEYmO4E

>>6357152
I was up there praising the N64, but you janky-ass Rare-tards are making this difficult.

>>6357005
based

>>6357206
did you reply to the wrong post?

Which retro video game console would you recommend for someone who hates and wants to avoid FINAL Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Pokemon, Zelda games and literally any video games of the genre of fucking RPG's?

>>6357249
All consoles have RPGs and/or games with RPG elements. Simply don't play them. If you like first-party Nintendo games, play Nintendo consoles. If you like arcade ports (beat 'em ups, fighting games, shmups), play Sega consoles. If you like the random exclusives Playstation has, play it.

The music theme is now playing in your head.

>>6357005
>something any console by that point could accomplish.
Only the ps1 and n64 had any and both had great racing games. Every console didn't have shit. How about you fuck off back to social media, Patel?

>>6357457
Saturn's port of Sega Rally was great.
The N64 did have the best arcade racers though, with PS1 coming close thanks to Namco.

>F3
>not one mention of Rogue Squadron

>>6357249
Dreamcast. It only really has 2 notable RPGs in Skies of Arcadia and Grandia 2 (3 if you count PSO I guess), however EGG is pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGXuG3JZMbI

>>6357513
My emperor, I've failed youuuuuuu!

>>6357469
>The N64 did have the best arcade racers though
Don't really care for mario kart and wipeout, ctr are far better than anything on the n64.

>>6356212
AeroGauge is also pretty cool once you know how to play it.

>>6357530
CTR is a good cart racer but Wipeout is boring and it has an N64 port.

loved playing this with 3 friends

>>6347520
Limited color range, the colors were never vibrant, every N64 is a dull and dark blurry mess. No blending modes at all with transparencies, no fire effects, explosions, lasers, all the cool stuff was only possible on the Playstation.

>>6354614
Mupen is one of the best and easy to get going.

>>6357685
>Limited color range, the colors were never vibrant, every N64 is a dull and dark blurry mess.

>>6357249
Sega consoles and the Neo-Geo have the least RPGs. For other consoles, just don't play them. There are no console that has a library entirely filled with only RPGs.

>>6357598
>but Wipeout is boring
Wrong
>and it has an N64 port.
It's an original game and even then it pales in comparison to 3

>>6357791
Wipeout feels a generation behind F-Zero X.

>>6357685
>Limited color range, the colors were never vibrant, every N64 is a dull and dark blurry mess
Have you ever played or watched footage from this game called Mario 64?

>>6357794
How so? Wipeout is much tighter, more responsive, and less buggy. If you mean it's slower, then you were probably not playing on Phantom.

>>6357853
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BljfO3TxU3Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN7L3CRuSdY

>>6357705
Thanks for proving pictorial evidence to my claim.

Now compare to the PS1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DuqOo-_c7w

>>6357910
Ape Escape has a darker color palette.

>>6357794
Wipeout is more like Quake F-Zero is more like cod, it's ok to like simpler games

You fags still arguing?
If you only owned 1 console during 5th gen you missed out.
Saturn and N64 best combo

>>6357914
Look at the higher contrast, light effects, FX, the n64 couldn't do nothing of that other than blurry and dark.

>>6357918
>it's ok to like simpler games
With a mindset like that I can see why you prefer Wipeout.

>>6357685
there's a lot of aggressive filtering going on with the n64 to clean up the graphics as they're often sampled from much lower color depth. This isn't unusual but the N64's problem is developers like Rare are basically high school drop outs in terms of competence and capability. For some reason they thought primary color vomit would be a good choice for art direction which has given their games a very garish look.

>>6357925
nintendo fans will buy anything

>>6357921
>the n64 couldn't do nothing of that other than blurry and dark
That's just wrong.
>>6357929
Already giving up on defending Wipeout I see.

>>6347219
>ctrl+f
>conker
>two results
I'm disappointed in you anons, it was possibly the best game barring OOT and SM64, obviously you had Mischief Makers and Jet Force, but none of them truly hit it out of the park like conker did.

>>6357940
It could also do blurry and bright it seems, personally I think the blur did a better job with the blurry and dark. Muddiness and grime just go hand-in-hand with blur.

>>6357946
>none of them truly hit it out of the park like conker did.
How exactly? It's a mish-mash of pop culture memes and indecisive game play that runs like ass. I get that it's funny cartoony squirrel game with swears and songs about poop but the game play never did anything for me.

>>6357954
The N64 output is good. Aliasing is a bad thing.

>>6357929
>developers like Rare are basically high school drop outs in terms of competence and capability. For some reason they thought primary color vomit would be a good choice for art direction which has given their games a very garish look.
I definitely agree with you on Rare. Their poorly animated, low-frame rate, clown vomit trash was abysmal. But the N64 is still the better experience over PSX for the first party titles: Mario 64, Ocarina Of Time, F-Zero X, Wave Race, etc (which all look and play great).

>>6349330
and Doom 64

>>6357034
>nobody cared about N64 sound then
not him but you must be joking
i consider the snes to have better sound than the n64, sound was probably it's weakest point

>>6357983
>>6357929
>Art color choice is a mess carried by cartoonish aesthetic
>Band gets back together for a remake
>It's just the artists
>Their game is a massive disappointment
Seems kinda obvious this would happen in retrospect. One of the funniest things about Yooka-Laylee is how everyone uses that same snake character as an example for how great the character design is, but someone on cripplechan had the same idea 2 years before the game was even released.

>>6357983
Different kinds of first party titles really. It's hard to actually talk about those Nintendo games these days, let me keep it short and simple: I played them, I don't really see a reason to play them again. Most people don't even know the Sony first party games of the generation. At the end of the day I'll take a large variety of third parties over nintendo first parties and that's basically it.

>>6358016
rip anton & cool pecker I did a level layout for it.

>>6358020
>At the end of the day I'll take a large variety of third parties over nintendo first parties and that's basically it.
Classic quantity over quality.

>>6358020
>rip anton & cool pecker I did a level layout for it.
Whatever happened to it? Did you guys just slowly fizzle out? Also why did you guys stand out when /agdg/ was full of no-devs?

>>6358026
It's more a quantity of quality. You can have both you know.
>defending the n64
wait, you don't know.

>>6358027
In terms of communication I was a "contractor." Wasn't involved with the "team" if there was much of one. I just did a small contribution because I have level design experience.

>>6358030
>You can have both you know.
Yeah but the Playstation doesn't.

>>6358030
>Twitter has been dead since 2018
>Website browser game has been updated 5 days ago
To be continued...?

>>6358039
>Yeah but the Playstation doesn't.

>>6358043
I think the only way anything will come out of it productive will be if the game gets a production reboot, launch it as a paid for product and end it as a gay hobby project for a board that died several times over. If it even pops up on the radar its got no home any more to call its own.

>>6358053
The Playstation is really lacking in truly great games. It has a bunch of good or decent games, but it just doesn't have the kind of stuff the N64 got from Nintendo and Rare. Quality versus quantity.

>>6358064
>The Playstation is really lacking in truly great games

>>6358053
Kinda sad all the /agdg/ projects just die like that. If I were the maker and I went that route I'd just re-brand all together. I don't see how any video game project would get any money or traction when it's associated with a place that pretty much went to war with all the game industry gatekeepers and also refuses to pay for anything after YandreDev and Notch. I don't know what the fuck the people on /agdg/ are thinking by posting their life's work on that site.

>>6358064
C'mon man. That's just straight fucking delusion.

>>6358030
Playstation wasn't good until PS2. And PSX felt like an entire generation behind N64 you ignorant Sony fanboy.

>>6358065
>Runs out of arguments.
>Can't even meme well.

>>6358065
>so out of arguments he resorts to avatarfagging
Cope.
>>6358067
>C'mon man. That's just straight fucking delusion.
No it isn't. The Playstation "greats" didn't even evolve the gameplay of their own series. Stuff like MGS and FF7 play nearly identical to their previous iterations.

>>6358067
>I don't know what the fuck the people on /agdg/ are thinking by posting their life's work on that site.
It's a mix of politics and thinking the best come back for absurdity is another brand of absurdity. I think there's room for that but it got to a point where it just became an obtuse trap. It's a shame, feels like the whole thing was rigged from the start. Like before the 2014 start.
>. If I were the maker and I went that route I'd just re-brand all together

>>6358078
>The Playstation "greats" didn't even evolve the gameplay of their own series
Whatever you say.

>>6358082
>If I were the maker and I went that route I'd just re-brand all together
gonna double post because 4cx sperged
This really would be the best way to salvage something from anton&coolpecker Just ignore the past and move on, make something productive and fun out of it. Make a bit of money out of it and become known for and build a bit of a reputation on it so you can do more in the future. It's really not smart to get caught up in the industry/political autism, poke fun at it in a non-comittal way and if you're serious don't come out publicly about it. It's just a disaster.

That said it was a long time ago now, letting the thing die would be fine imo.

>>6358078
>>6358075
>>6358068

>>6358092
>>6358097
>zero counter arguments

>>6358103
>The Playstation "greats" didn't even evolve the gameplay of their own series
>Stuff like MGS and FF7 play nearly identical to their previous iterations.
>Posts Silent Hill a game that revolutionized the entire horror genre to this day
>ZERO COUNTER ARGUMENT
>As if his opinions backed by zero arguments are arguments
Delusional. Completely delusional. I see why they call you faggots Nintendrones. I personally don't really have much stake in the PS1 or N64, but with the amount of retarded shit you're spewing I'm forced to take sides.

>>6358125
>Posts Silent Hill a game that revolutionized the entire horror genre to this day
You mean the game that was directly inspired by Resident Evil that itself was inspired by Alone in the Dark?

>>6349117
You are legit retarded for thinking that.

"asked the same about the N64 anyone can quickly spew out solid lists of ten to compare"

Yeah the only 10 games worth playing on the kfing thing you tard.

>>6357940
Wave Rave was EAD at their best, still imagine if it had PS style light effects and color range. I bought Wave Race way back when it came out and it's been a favorite game of mine, I would say it still has one of the best gameplay mechanics of any game and the waves are nothing short of amazing, no other system at the time could do anything like that.

>>6357853
>>6357794
why does everyone remember Wipeout, but not Rollcage? they're even published by the same company
i much prefer Rollcage

>>6357861
Yeah see, the physics are so fuckin retarded in f-zero x, it's not even really racing at that point. Also, vanilla Wipeout 3 is better than SE because it doesn't let you skip the track OOB like that.

>>6358328
>vanilla Wipeout 3 is better than SE because it doesn't let you skip the track OOB like that.
That sounds like it's worse then.

>>6358328
Not the anon you're arguing with, but you're arguing physics on an arcade futuristic racing game, who gives a shit about realistic physics?
I mean, even in arcade racers that aren't futuristic, who gives a shit about actual physics?
People don't stop playing Dayona USA because they think the physics are unrealistics. In fact, ridiculous physics is what makes arcade racers so fun.

>>6358125
Plays exactly like RE and Alone In The Dark you stupid fucking zoomer.
>>6358328
You can beat the entire game without exploiting the physics like this. You're watching the higher end of the skill threshold when you tweak your car to drift off the track and fly. Try playing the games before talking out of your ass.

>>6358343
Not the anon you're responding to, but nobody mentioned realistic physics.

>>6358349
Fair enough, I just think complaining about ridiculous physics in general when it comes to arcade racers is like no fun allowed.
I know F-Zero X can get pretty hilarious when you watch videos of people who actually exploit it to the max, but pulling these tricks isn't easy, most people aren't playing it like that.

>>6358368
There's a point where it becomes obtuse, F-Zero is definitely that point. GX nears it with some of its retardation like oob acceleration. Something like m64 and ctr are far more coherent in what all the mechanics are and how they interact. When it comes to high level speed run tech it's like watching doom vs doom eternal/2016. Skillful maneuvering/management vs oh they just broke the game. It loses that connection between observer and runner.

>>6358378
>advanced techniques = bad
The cancer that ruined modern video games.

>>6358386

>>6358392
>casual once again has no arguments and resorts to avatarfagging

>>6358394
>casual once again has no arguments and resorts to avatarfagging

>>6358378
None of what you're bitching about is even necessary to 100% F-Zero X. The only one who finds it obtuse is you, retard.

>>6358328
Wipeout 3 SE runs choppy at 50Hz.

>>6358403
Note how none of what this retard is replying to has anything to do with skill or completion of the game, this is a classic attempt to shift the conversation to "all critics must be critics because they're bad." It's pathetic and very common.

>>6358428
It's not anywhere near as pathetic as avatarfagging as Mel Gibson while crying that a game's movement tech is too hard.

>>6357685
>No blending modes at all with transparencies
N64 is actually capable of alpha blending, unlike PS1 which does not have an alpha channel so has to settle for semi-translucency.

N64 does technically support additive blending too, but because the output is unclamped it can wreck the framebuffer if not used carefully.

>>6358432
>newfag doesn't even know what a reaction image is
>is also intimidated by a man of god
>still no argument

>>6358447
My argument is that F-Zero X is obviously the better game as demonstrated by its much higher skill ceiling. You make excuses for why a high skill ceiling is bad while also avatarfagging, absolutely pathetic.

>>6358447
>Compares F-Zero X to Mario Kart.
>Complains that F-Zero X has advanced techniques that he will never be able to comprehend.
>Get's told that he can still play the game as a retard.
>Posts "reaction image" like he just discovered it.
>Never played the game he's even arguing about.
How are you this stupid?

>>6358453
>>6358461
>they're still doing it

>>6358475
You give up too easily. I admit it is hard to try and convince people that high skill ceilings are bad but you could at least keep the act going instead of resorting to acting even dumber to cover up your lack of arguments. Very childish behavior.

>>6358136
SEETHING PS1 fan. Odd how you guys are never happy. It's like you're unfulfilled in the gaming dept.

>>6358125

Silent Hill absolutely should have been on N64. All those fully 3D games could have worked even better on the N64 since the play to the system's strengths.

>>6357705

Ah man Rare fucking saved Nintendo's ass during the n64 days. They'd have half the system sellers without Rare games. Why Nintendo let Rare go after N64 days is one of their biggest mistakes. Perfect Dark could have easily been Nintendo's answer to Halo and Medal of Honor too.

>>6358860
>still doing console wars 4 generations later
chill out, man

>>6358870
Silent Hill and Dino Crisis 1 would have been good N64 ports.

>>6358860
He has a point though, stop being so mad about 25 years old console war bullshit.

>>6358982
RARE was already slipping by then plus the other guys formed Free Radical, talent was split.

>>6356883
>80% of the games in the ist are gayRPGs
Thats any list best of 'nintendo console' games (except the 64). See snes and (3)ds.

>>6357959
We had a Conker thread last week that explained it, Conker was always about the multiplayer mode. The description you give makes you sound like a friendless person.

>>6359490
>>6359490
He also has a point, though. Most PS1 fanboys are constantly seething, hence why they constantly bring up how much they hate Nintendo, unprovoked, and constantly want e-peen wars.

>>6359814
Sure buddy, very convincing when you're doing the exact same thing you are condemning.

>>6359916
>no u

>>6359924
The point still stands.

>>6359792
This game is so underrated even among N64 fans

>>6360108
I agree. It's a unique kind of game and has a really fun combat system. I think a lot of people might get turned ff by the admittedly dry third person shooting/platforming segments, but the meat of the game is the combat. If you approach this game as a dungeon crawler instead of an action game, it's really great.

>>6356889
>best multiplayer of its gen
>"for friendless incel types"
You just described a jrpg-loving Playstation fan. All alone... with his futas.

>>6349446
>>6349171
I do not understand why "more games" = better. For example how many games do you actually play on a system? Are you going to buy, and play every game on this list? besides >>6356883 <-here your list is refuted anyway

>>6353548
...Are you a spastic? Pokemon came out in 1998. The craze peaked around 2000, (three Pokemon n64 games were released in 2000, btw. A fourth came in 2001). Yes, 2000/2001, peak 3rd gen amirite? lol, retard.
I should also point out that in the N64 era, Nintendo magazines were basically 1/2 full of Pokemon content. Taking your gameboy pokemon squad and transfering them to N64 with Pokemon Stadium was a big deal.
You cannot divorce Pokemon, gameboy/gameboy color , N64 and 5th gen. Unless you were a disingenuous, clueless, futa-fapping zoomer.

>>6357920
Bear in mind this started as an N64 appreciation thread. PS1 fans were insecure argumentative fags back in the day, and it continues to be this way 20+ years later.

>>6357929
>>6357925
>>6357918
>>6357794
F Zero X is hard as nails, has a cool 80s hair metal aesthetic, some of the best soundtracks around and goes very fast. Wipeout isnt bad, but its comparing apples and oranges.

>>6358030
>>6358020
>>6358039
Sony had cheap licencing deals, and the PS had absolutely god-fuck-shit-tonnes of shovelware, shovelware, shovelware, as far as the eye can see. On top of this there was rampant piracy. Everyone knew a guy who would "chip" your Playstation.
Nintendo resurrected the [console / videogame] market and were wise to how the bottom could fall out. The way Sony - a TV and hi-fi company, let us not forget - nonchalantly approached the videogames industry, its lucky 1983 Part II didnt happen.
>"but muh 6 gorillion games"
You fags are almost as bad as that other insufferable group constantly moaning about a very high number of something that is supposedly significant.

Honeslty, I don't think collect-a-thons are very good, except for SM64.

>>6360793
I don't think SM64 really qualifies as a so-called "collectathon". I could understand it in games like Banjo where you collect feathers, eggs, musical notes, you name it.
In mario you just collect stars (which are akin to a goal in a level) and coins... you know, the things Mario usually collects.

>>6360793
by collect a thon i assume you mean crash and spy- oh no you clearly mean Banjo Kazooie.
Okay, well Banjo is a well made game, memorable characters, defined gameplay, immersive worlds and with great music that continues to have a legacy today.
A "spiritual successor" to Banjo was announced, 15-10 years later and quickly became the highest-earning project on Kickstarter.com.

Yes... sounds like a "not very good" game to me.

>>6356883
Yeah, i sure do love my rpg's on the nes and gamecube. Retard.
Top tens for both nes and gc would have a maximum 2 rpgs for almost everyone.

>>6360791
And you sound like a fucking faggot.

N64 has a ton of shovelware as well. No, not as many games as PS1, but even fewer shovelware titles profoundly hurts a collection as small as N64s.

A collection of the best N64 games of all time would be half ports (at least) and barely hit 20 games.

You could make a best PS1 games list and have a hard time keeping it as low as 50. No shovelware to be seen. Easy as fuck to exclude multiplats and ports as well.

Fuck off tranny scumbag.

>>6353548
In fact, a limited edition Pokemon N64 console with a Pikachu on the top was released in 2000.

Why would you go on the internet, just to lie?

>>6360848
>A collection of the best N64 games of all time would be half ports (at least) and barely hit 20 games.
This is simply untrue and we both know it. Zelda Ocarina, Mario 64, F Zero X, Banjo-Kazooie, DK 64, Perfect Dark, Conkers BFD, Pokemon Stadium 1 & 2, Starfox 64, Smash Bros, Mario Party 1, 2, 3, Banjo Tooie, Zelda Majoras Mask, Mario Tennis, Mario Kart 64, Goldeneye, Turok 2, Fighters Destiny, Wetrix.

PS1 was full of shovelware and shit movie tie ins (and plenty of "kiddy" stuff too) and as I say, lucky a combination of a good world economy in the late 90s, and the stable footing Nintendo had brought the videogame / console business to previously, stopped another videogame crash.

>faggot
>tranny
My insults were better.

>>6360848
My insults and observations were better and funnier and you just sound like a spiteful vindictive lonely futa-fapping Zoomer, desperate to relive an exciting console war because the current one is so dull (two black boxes chock-full of forgettable SJW-FPS games).
The PlayStation brand has suck the soul and creativity out of gaming, because edgy suburban tweens want to seem mature and dangerous by LARPing as ethnic gangsters and burning prostitutes alive by playing GTA (and by fapping to futas).

The same controller every time, the same name, the same soulless black box, the same rampant piracy, the same fucking FONT for the logo, Jesus wept. Truly a system for a futa-fapping weeb zoomer LARP-aficionado (with no friends)....

Sonyggers are truly something else.

>>6360896
I am glad someone agrees.
I think the cancer has gotten so bad now, they should either be banned OR given a rolling-over containment thread.
Maybe we could call it "Futa-Fapping General", or, /ffg/ (because they are quite into FF, or so I hear. I just assumed FF stood for Futa-Fapping).

>>6360896
I stopped following the console warring shit ITT. It just seems all falseflag at this point. There's no way people are like this unironically.

>>6360906
Sony Playstation fanboys derail Sega Saturn threads with equal impunity, btw. You think you're gonna be safe over there? They'll get you. Nowhere is safe.
Not even the Atari 5200 threads. They will hunt you down, ruthlessly, and brutally assail you with their "big, long, giant, huge, massive, enormous...... er...... list, of er, games". It's really "big and long", promise!
50 games! *Whack!* 80 games! *Biff!* 150 games! *Wallop!* 500 games, and I literally played them all! Combined with loading times, that's half my life! *Smash!* 6 GORILLION GAMES!! REMEMBER THE 6 GORILLION, NEVER FORGET! *Zing!*
They'll get you in the arcade threads, too. They show no mercy. You think you're safe in the Commodore threads? Pah! Commodore is fair game - after all, it's got 64 in its title (the number 64, to a sonygger, is as a red rag to a bull).

No, my friend.... Nowhere is "safe". This board long since ceased to be "safe". For now, fellow traveller, I will delight in the uncomplicated joy of your Paper Mario gif. But just remember.... They are coming.

They will hunt you down wherever you go, derailing threads, boasting about how big and long their things are, and why futas are the true patrician's choice of fap material, and, who needs multiplayer anyway? (cos friends are overrated, lol amirite?).

I present you... the scourge of /vr/.... the eternal... sonygger.

>>6360762
>Pokemon came out in 1998
1996*

(not contesting that pokemon wasn't peak 5th gen, even if it was on a console from 1989, it's pretty obvious they chose a handheld to help with the trading aspect, and the gameboy was the latest nintendo handheld at the time)

>>6360906
it's probably just two faggots with one hardcore manchild butthurt that the playstation put the final nail in the sega coffin, and the other hardcore manchild making fun of a childrens video game system for being a childrens video game system

just sit back and laugh at both of them

>>6360939
>loading times
oh come on now, the N64 has way more loading screens
they're in between most of the frames!

>>6362186

The racing games are what draw me to the platform. I'm still finding new ones to try.

>Wipeout 64
>Destruction Derby 64
>Ridge Racer 64
>Mega Man 64

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV_gdr_ZLeg

I hate how the N64 ended up getting totally garbage half assed ports after the PS1/Sat.

All these games are fully 3D and in principle should be better than their PlayStation originals by a wide margin. But most have shitty drawbacks like lower draw distance.

The nto make it worse the PS got sequels of these games while the N64 didn't.

>>6360956
It came out in 1998 over here.
If you really wanted to be anal about it, you would know it actually originally came out in (december) 1995 in Japan.

Nobody here really knew what Pokemon was in 1996. So did you import Pokemon Red from Japan? No? Why are you mentioning it came out in 96 then? To bolster your (flawed, debunked) argument?
I don't really understand posts like yours. I don't mean to be offensive, but are you actually autistic? It would explain a lot.

>>6362223
>But most have shitty drawbacks like lower draw distance.
That's because the N64 isn't as powerful as it needs to be. It's got a million and one bottlenecks the competition didn't have so games usually look worse and run worse in most meaningful ways.

>>6362186
>>6362187
never forget the 6 gorillion games

>>6362223
Wipeout 64 isn't a port. It's a remix of the first two Wipeout games. And technically it's not too bad, certainly much better than the Saturn version. I think most of the effort into making the N64 game engine went into getting 4 player working which wasn't supported on the PS1 version. Also it's probably *the* fastest version of retro Wipeout.

Haven't played Destruction Derby 64 in ages, but I'm fairly sure it's not technically any worse than the PS1 version. Might have actually been a little better.

As for Ridge Racer 64, that's another game which is basically a remix of the earlier Ridge Racer games (before R4), on a completely different engine. It's not a port in the slightest. And while I don't like the westernized art style over the original few games Japanese retro cool, it's certainly much better technically speaking than they are.

>>6362235
>It's got a million and one bottlenecks
Wrong, it only has one bottleneck and that's memory bandwidth.

>>6362245
Wrong, carts, ram size, cpu and gpu power, lack of a sound chip also held it back, can't forget that.

64 is just a stuttering, bandwidth choked joke of a console.

>>6362242
Is it me or Wipeout 64 is quite a bit harder than 1,2,3, XL.

>>6362254
see >>6362241 >>6360939 >>6360896 >>6360879 >>6360791

Reminder that 1/5 of the entire N64 library is nothing but racing games. With a library of only 388 games, that adds up to a little over 60 games being racers.

I have a personal rule to determine how good a game system is. Take a system's library, and say that 90% of it is nothing but shovelware trash. Apply it to the PS1, and you're still left with over 200 games worth playing. The N64? About 40 on a good day. This invalidates the quality>quantity argument, because the PS1 simply has both on its side.

If you can list off every good game a system has in a single post, then that's a pretty pathetic system. I feel like everything the N64 did, the Dreamcast did as well in a third of the lifespan. Oftentimes better too.

>>6362254
This is just copied from Wikipedia and pretty much all of it is wrong.

It compares the N64's 4 KB texture cache to the PS1's 1 MB VRAM, even though the PS1 only had a 2 KB texture cache. A texture cache is much faster than VRAM, so in certain situation the N64 benefits from having a larger texture cache. But at the same time, the N64's smaller maximum texture size limit per polygon is real. But that's just per-polygon, except for memory bandwidth, nothing is really stopping textures being broken up into small chunks and streamed into the texture cache.

>RCP also lacked DMA ... had to go through cpu
Oh boy, that's pretty much the opposite of the actual situation. The CPU had to go through RCP to go to the memory. But that doesn't mean the CPU lacked DMA. All it meant was that the console's memory controller was inside RCP.

But that's exactly the same situation that existed on GameCube. Gecko (CPU) had to go through Flipper (GPU) to access memory. And original Xbox (memory controller was inside the Nvidia NV2A).

>Gouraud shading ... illusion of detail
PS1 games lean way WAY more on gouraud shading than N64 games do. FFVII and Spyro anyone?

>RCP was only capable of 100,000 polygons .. 1/10th theoretical power that Nintendo promised
The 100,000 polygon limit per second is a memory bandwidth limited figure with z-buffer and AA enabled. With z-buffer and AA disabled (which is basically PS1 quality), it's up to 1,000,000 polygons per second, exactly as Nintendo said.

>>6362293
Where to begin.
For a start, why are you even here? Why are you in an N64 thread for N64 fans, shitting it up? ... Why?

"90% of it is shovelware trash. Apply it to PS1...." your words, not mine.

>"over 200 games" !
muh 200 gorillion.
Are you going to play over 200 gorillion games? Combined with loading times, that should be about 50 years.

>The N64? About 40 on a good day.
I would wager that most PS1 owners probably own less than 40 games.
In fact I would argue most console owners probably own less than 40 games on their system. Your point is completely moot.

You probably also show up in collectors / hoarder threads and spout off "I hate these hoarding collector retards. Who really needs all the games on a systems library? Who is going to play 200 [gorillion] games?"

Who, indeed. Who, indeed.

>>6362310
>Source: My Ass

>>6362293
>Reminder that 1/5 of the entire N64 library is nothing but racing games.

Some of the best racing games ever made.

>With a library of only 388 games, that adds up to a little over 60 games being racers.

Wonderful isn't it? Racing games are a great genre.

>I have a personal rule to determine how good a game system is. Take a system's library, and say that 90% of it is nothing but shovelware trash. Apply it to the PS1, and you're still left with over 200 games worth playing. The N64? About 40 on a good day. This invalidates the quality>quantity argument, because the PS1 simply has both on its side.

"the more titles in a library the better it is"... what kind of retard are you?

I started my post thinking it would be funny stomping on an idiot but you appear to be legit special needs level.

>If you can list off every good game a system has in a single post, then that's a pretty pathetic system.

All ps1 titles would fit in a single post.

>I feel like everything the N64 did, the Dreamcast did as well in a third of the lifespan. Oftentimes better too.

What you feel isn't worth shit.

>>6362318
Nice refutation, bro

>>6362329
>"the more titles in a library the better it is"...
This is generally true, especially when the library is mostly japanese games.

>>6362329
I also dont understand this more = better thing. There are millions of games on Android and iOS; does that mean Android trumps Game Boy / Game Gear?

As a kid, I got one game per Christmas, and possibly one for birthday as well. In between, I maybe got one or two games second hand, and rented a couple. All in all, >5 games per year. Over 4-5 year life span of a console, that is >20 games.

Assuming you were a kid during 5th gen (and if you werent, i dunno why youre here really), this was normal practice. Of course everybody knew "that kid" who owned all the consoles and had a gorillion games and a gorillion Lego sets and a gorillion other things,but not everbody was "that kid".

So why would you even give a shit if a system had 5,000 games? What, are you gonna play them all? Lol.
I would honestly rather have 10-20 well made quality games with lengthy replay value and get my moneys worth, than rent, beg, borrow and steal 1000 games.
PSOnegroes just sound like whores really, desperate to stay on the cock carousel.
>Settle down with one partner!
>No! On tinder I can match with 6 gorillion guys a day!

>>6362346
>I also dont understand this more = better thing
What are you unsure of?

>>6362254
>rent-free

>>6362310
What if I told you that baby's first system was the N64, and his first game was Smash 64? I'm referring to myself, by the way.

>muh 200 gorillion games
Yes, muh 200 gorillion games. I like having choice in what I can play. Loading times are negligible in the current year, and besides, N64 games aren't exempt from loading times.

>I would wager that most PS1 owners probably own less than 40 games.
Maybe back in its heyday when you couldn't just buy everything online. I'd wager most N64 owners had less than 20 games, due to how prohibitively expensive they were. Don't bring up the "I rented all my games from Blockbuster" spiel.

>>6362329
>Some of the best racing games ever made.
True. The PS1 also excels in this category as well.

>Wonderful isn't it? Racing games are a great genre.
Variety is a good synonym for choice, right?

>"the more titles in a library the better it is"... what kind of retard are you?
Ad hominem, huh? Even taking regional exclusives out of the picture, it still holds true. Where's Super Mario 64 2 & 3? Oh yeah. Either canceled, moved to GameCube, or simply doesn't exist.

>All ps1 titles would fit in a single post.
Sure, and you'd say they all suck regardless. Don't get me started on all those canceled N64 games.

>>6362347
This just looks like a cope.

You need to actually read my post.

The NES made me a huge Nintendo fan as a kid, so obviously I kept asking for Nintendo hardware. But by the N64, I realized being the market leader is what made the NES good. The N64 was so starved for games, I busted my ass at the flea market to afford a Playstation. I don't care how many "genre defining" moments the N64 had, or how many 10/10s the reviewers were putting to paper. Give me those niche 7/10s, give me variety, consistency of releases, a substantial number of games from which I can choose. You ask two N64 fans what their favorites are, there's a good chance you're gonna get deja vu.

>>6362352
Not sure why you're so hostile, what are you unsure of? More good games is a good thing.

>>6362337
Who cares if it's "generally true"? You can't use it as an argument. The only way that would make sense would be if we were talking about a console none of us had ever heard of before and someone pointed out it has a lot of games. Tiger handhelds have a lot of games as well.

It's like if someone asks what do you think of the Fast and Furious series and you say "the Fast and Furious series has many movies and most series that get a lot of movies are good, therefore Fast and Furious is good".

The N64 has a lack of RPGs, that's a point. Cliched, obvious, adds nothing to our knowledge, but it's still at least a point.

>>6362346
>I also dont understand this more = better thing.
Nice posts but don't dignify his argument by suggesting it's common, I don't think I've ever seen someone argue that SOLELY on the basis it has more games it must be good.

>>6362351
>Maybe back in its heyday
well as far as I experienced, it, DEFINITELY back in its heyday. Of all the kids I knew with a PS1, they probably owned... maybe 50 games, between them all? And many of them owned the same game?

Also I have earlier explained >>6360791 why Nintendo even had a strict licencing system in place, and how Sonys carefree attitude towards that system could have easily gone tits-up. In fact one could argue the PS1 (And PS2) introduced us to "casual gamers". Now, thanks to the audience and the free-for-all situation Sony engendered, we get endless repeats of COD every year, because thats what casuals want.

On top of all this, I really dont get this "retrospectively reviewing old tech, BUT with what came later in mind, BUT as if the future had already happened and you are in a time machine contemporaneously comparing 1995 to 2020". You cannot compare old tech with what came later. The fact of the matter is, most people had a small selection of PS1 games (mostly the very same games), and the fact that *now, 20 + years after the fact* you can splurge all your wagieNEETsimpbux on 6 gorillion PS1 games doesnt Change the fact that people had like 10-20 games each for it at the time.

You have to take old tech , old movies, old anything on its merits, and not compare it to a future that didnt exist at the time, because its totally pointless.

>>6362364
>You can't use it as an argument
Uhhhh why? No idea where you're going with the fast and the furious or tiger hand helds. We're talking about a game consoles library. The more games there are, the more chance there's games worth playing. Not a hard concept to grasp.

>>6362354
Again, cope. You need to actually read my post.

>>6362351
Playing racing games (or sports games) with a D-Pad sucks.

>>6362353
>Give me those niche 7/10s, give me variety, consistency of releases, a substantial number of games from which I can choose
I would rather have a few 10/10s than more 7/10s. This is just a difference in personality we have, and thats OK.
Its a bit of a jump to go from that to "I am right and you are wrong."
You are right FOR YOU, but you are wrong for me. If the disagreement was as simple as this it would be fine. The way how sony fans turn it into this crusade is mentally ill.

>You ask two N64 fans what their favorites are, there's a good chance you're gonna get deja vu.
This largely applies to any console, of course. It also applies to movies. "Empire Strikes Back, Citizen Kane, Apocalypse Now, Its a Wonderful Life, Casablanca, ......."
>grrr! Always the same 10 movies!

>>6362368
>The more games there are, the more chance there's games worth playing
This is a fallacy, because it is not necessarily true.

You cannot derive that there are or will be more/better games simply from the fact there are more games. The conclusion does not follow from the premises there.

A very normie console, the N64. I'd honestly get more playtime hours out of a single KOEI historical simulation series game than the entirety of the N64 library.

That said, Lode Runner 3D was pretty good.

>>6362368
What age are you? Are you under 10 years old?

>>6351668
I felt that. Back when you could just write [subject.com] and land on an interesting page.