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Shit OP

>>6333638
Is that HoMM5 or something newer?

I think I need to get back to playing it.

>>6333668
It's 7. Don't play it

>>6333638
Is that map randomly generated

>>6333719
No, it's campaign featuring ubisoft's libshit writing

>>6333743
Like what

>>6333750
No less than three instances of dumb white m*le wise strong whamman
Wizards are all galaxy brains who are into eugenics
Lesbian wizard who fucks a genie
SKELETON REFUGEES and Necromancers being keepers of order and peace (?!) for no reason
Me noble savage orc me fight for freedom third or fourth game in a row
And other amazing stories.

Unironically the best Necromancer storyline is in Heroes 4.

>>6333781
Homm4 is really underrated, I loved those campaigns.

>>6333781
The writing in the vanilla campaigns of 4 is very good. The walls of text could have been spread out better, but the overall story was well done. You get to Gathering Storm and it's still ok, then you get to Winds of War and it becomes a disaster.

>>6333791
MONGO

>>6333791
SPAZZ MATICUS

>>6333634
stop taking pics from this retarded vk group op.

niggers

bleh

>>6334018

>>>/vg/

>>6334070
>>>/reddit/

>>6333837
DU DU DUN DU DU DUN DU DU DUN DU DU DUN

>>6334428
Polish people are fucking weird.

What random map template is best for games against AI? With the default I never have any sawmills and weird stuff happens, that is hard especially on impossible? I'm talking about the templates that come with HOTA

Took out the Red Wizard early, bought a cloud castle and then Titans did most of the work.
Got diplomacy and bought a few stacks, but barely got to use them, mages+druids+rocs joined.
No dimension door.

>>6334713

>>6334724
Are you playing on the max difficulty?

>>6334731
yeah

What's the ideal troop slot set up for jewing creature banks early in HoMM3?
>which slot is center?

>>6334785
Have you seen any tourney games?

reminder that trolls in homm2 are girls

I don't think this will be my next game, but playing Enroth as the orange knight with some house rules may make it more interesting.

As Orange you start with a Knight Castle, and there's a neutral knight town near you.
On one side there's a dead end with a swamp, the purple warlock lives there and has 1 castle and a town he takes early on.

Usually playing Knight you just dispatch the warlock and then move on to the rest of the map.
If you're a bit late doing it you might have a horrible dragon encounter. Either way afterwards you'll probably have a pretty safe game where you eventually get dragons and and and an easy time protecting your borders.

The house rule I was thinking of is that I'm not allowed to attack the Warlock at first.
Maybe I need to kill Blue(the necromancer) first, before that I may not attack the warlock towns, or even enter the swamp.
Possibly doing something similar with the wizard, where I can't attack him until GreenBarb+YellowSorc are gone.
So I don't just win with Titans or Dragons.

Archibald campaign seems easier and can be beaten faster indeed.

>>6335279
Ogres + Dwarves flee > Dwarves

Plus of course Necromancy or Warlock towns for dungeons and all that extra gold.

>>6335340
and dragons

Considered playing as the Blue or Yellow Knight, settled on Yellow.
Looks like Blue lost his castle to the Red Necromancer during the first week.

>>6333783
Literally the best and most interesting necromancer like character ever

>>6335354
Ah, they traded castles

This isn't a Might and Magic question, but I'm playing a portable dungeon crawler where I need to draw my own maps. Do you guys know any phone apps that do stuff like Grid Cartographer?

>>6333761
I mean necromancers being keepers of order kinda makes sense since they worship the dragon of order herself, but the rest is bullshit indeed.

>>6336048
Any kind of Necromancer establishment in a fantasy setting is extremely suspect and needs exposition as to why everyone else, provided they have a brain, don't wipe the natural fuckers off the face of the planet before they grow more skellingtons and conquer everything since that's kind of what necromancers do. In Enroth and Antagarich necros basically hide in the shadows and base themselves in more desolate areas, acting generally through subterfuge. But a whole country of undead spider cultists? How do the logistics of that work? What do they grow for crops and what do they trade? Do they just drink green kool-aid all day long? How can you take something as metal and cool as UNDEAD and just get stuck in those horribly uninteresting stories about some cultists sipping on some overgrown spider's tit? Why the fuck did you come up with the concept of the angel of death, Belketh, that taught everyone classic necromancy but then went like no, that's not interesting enough, let's tell a LOVE STORY about some teenage girl that got betrayed by an angel and then became a mary sue leader of local cultists. What the fuck is wrong with you, monsieur Le Breton? At least they did our lad Sandro good justice.

How are price of loyalty campaigns? I'm not sure what to play next, these campaigns or some separate scenarios.

>>6336341
A fair bit harder than the original campaigns. They're quite fun, from memory

>>6336341
The campaigns have better designed maps than the individual scenarios, generally, and they have some interesting twists on HoMM2 campaign progression system. I'd say play those.

>>6336292
>What do they grow for crops
Nothing? They're dead.

>and what do they trade?
Magical knowledge, maybe?

>>6335354
What's that map nibba?
Looks good

>>6336398
It's a rhetorical question. Any fantasy setting becomes horribly uninteresting when literally every event can be traced to a handful of key figures all of which are featured in your immediate story.

Mandate of Heaven is deservedly getting a lot of love on /vr/, but what about Day of the Destroyer? Is it worth picking up?

>>6336489
Wait, are there dark elves in m&m? This cover looks more like a goldbox D&D game.

>>6336489
it's shit

>>6336489
Good, but a big step down from 7. Dragons are stupidly OP early and dungeon design is uninspired starting in the mid game. It's obvious they were under schedule pressure when you realize the best dungeon was the first one. If you enjoyed 6 and 7 play 8. 9 is the one that no one should play.

>>6336509
Yes, MM8 has (((dark elves))). They're actually kind of cool and unique in that they're not some kind of oppressed drow/blood elf ripoff but are merchants and traders with their own merchant establishment.

>>6336412
Warrior Knight
there's one AI only wizard, one AI only necromancer and 4 playable knights

>>6336509
It has sentient dragons too. Which kind of goes against the lore established by HoMM that dragons are mostly animalistic but at this point the devs were in fuck it mode.

https://mightandmagic.fandom.com/wiki/Heroes_of_Might_and_Magic_II:_The_Price_of_Loyalty
>The Price of Loyalty is the expansion pack for Heroes II, released in 1997. Development of the expansion was contracted to Cyberlore Studios. The expansion adds four new campaigns, new artifacts, *new creatures*, new scenario maps, new in-map buildings and an improved map editor.
What new creatures? Seems like a mistake.

>>6333634
>HOMM/MM pastebin: https://pastebin.com/6G9B1cMA
I downloaded HoMM2 from here but the .exe with music (I assume the operatic one, because ingame I only hear something pretty simplistic) isn't working, says that the base game isn't installed (even though it is). Any idea how to fix it?

>>6336740
Not sure, but I avoid playing price of loyalty since it's dumb.
In vanilla homm2 you can't get ghosts and elementals to join you, because they have no cost. Price of Loyalty adds structures for buying them and adds a cost to them, so that means diplomacy and any ghost stack breaks the game.

>>6336398
>>6336292
I also have no idea how the fuck Heresh works, to the point where i made a fuckton of autistic headcanons about it. I mean, getting wiped out by other factions aside, they got no economy as far as we know. And as to them not needing to grow anything because they're dead, how the fuck do vampires sustain themselves then? As much as i like the ideas behind it, Heresh is an absolute fucking mess. The ONLY interesting story focused on Heresh we got was Sandro, who is also one of the most interesting characters in Ashan so far.
> How can you take something as metal and cool as UNDEAD and just get stuck in those horribly uninteresting stories about some cultists sipping on some overgrown spider's tit?
More importantly, how the hell did they manage to make A CULT, OF ALL THINGS, uninteresting?

>>6336787
>how the fuck do vampires sustain themselves then?
The lore blurb on vampires in 6 states they drink human blood to dilute Namtaru's venom in their veins. But don't worry, they are just keeping order.

>>6335357
True, this guy made me hunger for good necromancer stories ever since finishing the campaign.
tfw used to have a crush on him when i was 10

>>6336790
No, i mean, if there's no living societies in Heresh (which they can't be because they got no food source as the soil there is so rucked it can't grow anything) who the fuck are they feeding on? Do they make pilgrimages to living countries so they can have a sip? I know they can sustain on animal blood too (mentioned in M&M X) but honestly Heresh doesn't seem like any life could thrive there.
Actually, now that i mentioned them being able to feed on animals, how the fuck roes it work in the context of them diluting venom in their veins? How the fuck is animal blood compatible with them?

>>6336793
Fuck if I know man. Sandro did nothing wrong.

>>6336760
nevermind, I'm stupid, it's actually fine, just takes some time before the music gets to the actual singing

>>6336802
I just wish they didn't fuck Ashan up so badly. There were many cool ideas and they messed up about every single one of them. They kinda wanted to go somewhere interesting with new Sandro(other worlds, maybe even travel between them, the whole concept of Void)... and backed down from it for some reason. I will never not be disappointed.

>>6336809
You know who to blame. When your writers you hired complain they get their every decision overturned maybe it's time to put your creative vision down buddy but no. This guy put the series in the grave singlehandedly.

>>6336821
Fuck this shit, i want my fucking fleshed out Ashan
I hope they actually give the series one more chance, with proper fucking writing.

>>6336791
Faggot

>>6336893
Nah man, for some reason Gauldoth made my 10yo pussy wet. My sadistic kid self was happy when Alana died because that meant he'd be mine for taking.

>>6336904
M O S C O W
O
S
C
O
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frustrating to get to though

>>6336835
I think trying so hard to define a setting was the problem in the first place. It only ever serverd to limit, not enrich, what they could put in the game. While it's undeniable that 2 and 3 had a rather defined setting too, those games didn't let themselves be controlled by it to an extent that would prevent them from creative storytelling. Compare it to vanilla Heroes IV which is often regarded as pinnacle of storytelling in Heroes campaigns, it uses its new setting simply as a springboard and doesn't bother to create complex, novel concepts or stick to some kind of strict geography, hell, only two campaigns really have anything to do with the major premise.

>>6337102
I think the problem was that, after defining the setting, they were too afraid to do anything with it that could alter it. Look at 5 (only played the main campaign), they had this whole thing whele Markal conquers half of the continent.... only for it to be undone right afterwards. So what was the fucking point?

>>6336791
>not having a crush on him foreve
pleb filter, right there

>>6337127
I don't really know why it changed, since most of my childhood crushes remained the way they were. Nowdays i mostly see him as a mentor figure, rather than a crush. Though i wouldn't mind him "mentoring" me if you know what i mean.

just killed an orange hero outside a purple castle and now he's defeated. Thought purple was gonna be the first one to go, but that should mean that Purple took Orange's castle down in the wasteland, or the Green Knight took it.

>>6337217
>but that should mean that Purple took Orange's castle down in the wasteland, or the Green Knight took it.
Green Knight took it*

>using AI to generate creatures for a homm-like faction

>>6337303
kek. link?

>>6337331
https://talktotransformer.com/

Is the only way to win the third scenario in the Dungeons and Devils campaign to hope that faggot AI will fall for the bait and get out of Steadwick?
>>6333761
I started 3 and that starts with strong whamman too so that's nothing new I guess

>>6337428
No, if your exported heroes are strong you can fight with their magic right away and expand really fast. There's a dragon lair near your dungeon, you can capture it during week 1 and build teleport in your dungeon for extra dragons every week. Just don't flag other creature dwellings on the map.
But it's the hardest map in my opinion in the original homm3.

The perfect town doesn't exi-

>>6337518

>>6337518
does anyone keep hydras, though? they kill your map movement

>>6337428
>I started 3 and that starts with strong whamman too so that's nothing new I guess
There's a difference between a female leader character (which are plentiful in Heroes given that half of Heroes are female) and a strong whamman.

>>6337518
FURCHTEST DU NICHT
DES BRANDSTIFTERS STRAAAAFEEEEEN

>>6337531
Yeah hydras are out beacuse they're just way too slow.
Griffins are out too, because why bring 1 average speed unit to slow you down when you have 3 very fast units?
Then you skip the minotaur kings and gargoyles because you can only afford dragons.

>>6337548
To be fair what else do you need when you have dragons?

>>6337479
The best ones only have access to buffs. Otherwise I didn't get that lucky since they all got some useless shit otherwise
I know about the dragons butt he gets a shitload of creatures so even if I have a bunch of dragons, he's winning.
What happens when I flag other creature dwellings?
>But it's the hardest map in my opinion in the original homm3.
Isn't it the second campaign?

>>6337568
>What happens when I flag other creature dwellings?
Portal of summoning (which I incorrectly called teleport) will let you buy extra creatures from a random external dwelling. If you have only that dragon lair, you'll always have these dragons. Buy them from the lair and from portal every week.
>Isn't it the second campaign?
Yes, I mean among all vanilla pre-addons campaigns.

>HotA devs think Resistance is op
>ban it, replace with Interference
>be me
>open map editor
>enable Interference AND Resistance
>mfw

Spellfags are about to get fucking dabbed on only in SP but still

>>6337650
incredibly based anon
mind if I join you in your dab on arcaneniggers?

>>6337303
Meet your new Necropolis lineup, straight from Ubisoft

>>6337670
>Cops
kek

>>6337670
>Blacksmiths
>Upgrades to Dreadsmiths

red dragons are better than titans according to the thieves guild

>>6337670
My 3 attempts at necropolis specifically.
First one it just droned on because I only had 1 creature in the list, so added 2 for the second one.
3rd one composed of creatures it made in the second one.

Kinda like Gargoyles with the undead faction.
Zombie Cultists as a magical zombie shooter could be intredasting.

>>6337693
>ywn use necrotic sprinklers in your necropolis game
why live

>>6337650
>>6337657
NOOOO I SPENT ALL MY RESOURCE ON MAGE GUILD LEVEL FIVE YOU CAN'T JUST DEFLECT MY SPELL WITH A LUCK BASED DICE ROLL

>>6337670
It also listed a bunch of skyrim mods for me once with those words, all legit links btw.

>>6337693
>>6337670
Spoiler for the upcoming homm game, Necromancers and Paladins form an alliance against a common threat

>>6337657
Be my guest fellow mightchad

>>6337712

>>6337682
>Gem

>>6337682
Yes. There's a table near the end of article about the creature power measured in peasants.
http://heroesportal.net/library/index.php?version=h2&page=physic

>>6337760
Ah nice.
Wandering Creatures fleeing/joining is probably based on that value as well, will have to look into that using that table.

>>6337707
Paladins specifically hate liches in this game, not undead in general.
And the Liches have their own undead faction with golems wizards.

Turns out Sandro was right, balance is found in everyone playing necropolis.

>>6337796
fuckin liches man, it's always about them, isn't it

>>6337815
Childhood is idolizing Cloak of the 7000 Power Liches. Adulthood is realizing that Vampire Lords reign supreme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2_XibBJHO8

>>6337829

>>6337829
This has got to be my favorite homm related video on youtube

>>6337829
I'm shit at the strategy in this game, I don't understand why he can take two stacks at a time seemingly pretty easy and then has to fly all over the map to finish off the last two

>>6337929
>I don't understand why he can take two stacks at a time seemingly pretty easy and then has to fly all over the map to finish off the last two
He wants 2 attacks in a row and make sure he ends with his full stack of avmpires.
In the corner first even if he kills one with less than his full stack, he has more behemoths to leech from, it's trickier with the last 2 since he can run out of hp to leech from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN8y4L-tnD8
my proudest fap

>>6337987
On this map there's 1 barbarian town, 1 sorc town, 1 warlock town, 2 wizard towns, 2 necromancer towns and like 10 knight towns.

Blue+Yellow+Green+Orange circles show starting locations of the playable knight.
Red circle = start of unplayable necromancer and his castle, Dark red circle = necromancer town.
Purple circle = start of unplayable wizard and his castle, lavendel circle = wizard town.
Brown circle = barbarian town.
Brown squares = other knight towns
white square = dragon city(fight dragons and you can recruit red dragons from this place)

>2 Pink Circles = Sorc town and Warlock town.
These two you can't upgrade to castles, so you can't build structures in these towns, but they both start with level 5 mage guilds.

Red Dragons could be used for Armaggedon squad, also any fast unit(like Champion)+anti-magic shell.
Sadly Gem doesn't have Expert Wisdom.

Is there some kind HD mods for HoMM4?
I've seen some rebalance mod but nothing like HoMM3HD

>>6338449
Its being worked on

>>6337829
What's he do to show how far the behemoths can move? Is that a HotA only feature?

>>6336489
For all it's worth the setting Jadame is really cool and a breath of fresh air. A lot of races that were previously sidetracked get to shine, such as lizardpeople and dragons. Actually a big reason why I'm excited for HotA Factory is that it's going to feature Jadame in some capacity.

>Ashan

>>6339130
No, HD mod has it too, target a stack while holding ctrl.

>>6339173
And here I've been counting hexes with my cursor all along.

>>6339193
Just read the readme to the mod.
https://sites.google.com/site/heroes3hd/eng/description/extended-ui
I just realized you can press shift too and it will consider other blocking units for movement range.

>>6337856
>This has got to be my favorite homm related video on youtube
you pleb
https://youtu.be/qV7AOAjp0oo

>>6339141
Kek, it really does look like ashan

>>6339141
>Its Euroasia
>Except lack of historical understanding means you only keep the places you have heard of
>Lack of land means shit gets randomly warped and you end up with missing Africa and having Arabia being west of Greece

>>6339141

>>6339141
Compare this to AnCHADgarich
>Necros sandwiched in between humans and elves
>naval force Erathia is almost landlocked
>land of Halflings AND Giants AND aliens who look like demons
>desert and snow next to each other because fuck you
Dangerously based

>>6339390
>desert and snow next to each other because fuck you
honestly this kind of shit bothers me the most probably. Every other fantasy world has x different biomes on same geographical width, and that triggers my autism.

>>6339390
>>desert and snow next to each other because fuck you
Not actually improbable

>>6339390
>Have a perfectly designed fantasy world
>destroy it

were they retarded?

>>6339417
Bracada is supposed to be located in very high mountains
it's just like in the real world where Snowy mountains of Himalaya are located near Gobi desert

>>6339798
doesnt matter, the desert is still on the same width as forests and swamps(?).

>>6339814
look at a world map, pick a desert and follow its latitude around the globe

>>6339834
Yeah, most deserts are at more or less the same latitude, and even if there's a different biome there, it's definitely not taiga

>>6339861
Did you not find forests and swamps on the same latitude as a desert?

Speaking of maps, what do you think of this one?

imho the oceans need to be bigger, otherwise it's okay... I guess scaling in general is hard because the lore doesn't say much about it?

>>6340002
those feels when no game in East Jadame

>>6340002
Not a fan of m&m enroth

>>6340002
I'm a firm believer that less is more. The moment you start trying to define some kind of global map the moment it starts to go stupid.

Not sure what I should play next.

Considering some odd houserule.
Like only 1 hero, or no spellbook, no wisdom.
Maybe that: >>6335161

>>6340002
>>6340178
I think the problem lies with the attempt at realism. Look how silly Enroth looks when you try to translate it into an actual, real-life continent, compared to how great it looks when you stylize it as a hand-drawn map of medieval age.

It's like the new Lion King movie where they turned cartoon animals into actual animals.

>>6340181
How about "Heroes"? It's a classic.

>>6340205
Enroth is just a vertically flipped Europe.

>>6340205
Where's Carator?

>>6340181
Did you beat price of loyalty campaigns? Also there are "wizard lands" scenarios about human Solmyr.

>>6340002
Wait a minute...

>>6340336
not interested in price of loyalty stuff

>>6340659
Why? Because of recruitable ghosts?

I don't feel confident about this.

>>6340856
It's fine. Evil final mission is much easier.
Also reminder to check the tavern for hints.
In case the maps artifact is in a swamp

If you feel cheap restart until you see a dragon stack nearby that will join you.

>>6340881
Even if it's in a swamp, there are too many tiles to bruteforce it.

>>6334630
Adorably so.

>>6340941
>there are too many tiles to bruteforce it.
well..
sadly I don't have a screenshot for it.
Think I had 6 heroes on digging duty, 15-20 tiles or so and I got it.

>trade all resources for stone so I can get a troll bridge
>lose castle to wizard
>take wizards castle
it's an okay trade, but the troll bridge was a total waste, would've been close to getting titans if I hadn't done that

>>6341016
6 heroes costs 15k, also they should be busy with flagging and taking mines around, enemy will probably show on the second week already and we know that army is more important than any artifact already.
It seems they already have their mines flagged and creature dwellings are upgraded. Not sure why you think it's easier than the Roland's final mission.

Started the series with MM6 and need some pointers from knowledgeable people.
Currently have level 10 party (Knight, Paladin, Cleric, Sorcerer), cleared both dungeons at the first map and gypsy islands at Mist. Very slowly going through the dungeons at Castle Ironfist map.
Is it normal that like 80% of all combat is me kiting the opponents with bows? Mage usually crowd controls with Ring of Fire but mana runs out quite fast and red tier monsters in the dungeons outdamage the healing while you are in melee with them (Red bandits are kind of manageable but the red ghosts are rage inducing).
Am I not supposed to go through this quests now and go somewhere else?
Thank you beforehand.

>>6342204
>spells/mana
You'll use bows a lot but their damage caps fast until you get elemental bonuses/damage/vampiric
Sparks/poison spray are where it's at for spell efficiency, ring of fire is better for bullshit hits through walls in dungeons
Have your paladin focus on body magic only, cleric only needs mind/spirit to 4
If you're fighting ghosts in Ironfist I'm assuming you're in Corlagon's Estate and should probably wait a little bit to do that one. Do Bootleg Bay (fountain for first Sorceror promotion is there) and some of the easier Free Haven quests first like the Cavalier promotion (walk across the map to a tavern, talk to a guy, walk back)

>>6342167
In a tavern there was a rumor that the arifact is in SE corner. I dug a bit and on the tenth day appeared enemy knight with good stats and rather big army (probably from his three castles). GG.

>2020
>I am forgotten...

>>6342620
good.

>>6342620
Oh right, that exists.
I guess trusting 3DO turned into a good plan?

What is the opinion on Heroes 5.5?

hur dur not retro

>>6342620
If you think that's obscure just wait til you learn about the novels.

>>6334018
Finally tried to use them and they don't raise their dead ones, what the fuck?

>>6342620
Hey, at least it was better than Warriors of Might and Magic.

Does it really matter which version I'm talking about? All 3 were dog shit.

>>6342204
>red ghosts
Oh man, don't try doing Corlagon's Estate yet

>>6343142
I always wanted to read these as a kid
It's probably better I didn't

>>6343142
>>6343391
I never knew these existed and now I'm intrigued

>>6333761
>SKELETON REFUGEES
To be fair about that point, 3DO's writing also made it seem like skeletons are sentient.
Like IIRC there were two skellies in Sandro's campaign that were caught gossiping about how he has a boner for Vidomina.

>>6342646
A lot of people in eastern europe grew up with homm. Not me. I had Crusaders of Might and Magic to "introduce" me to the series. The intro will tell you everything about the quality of this entire thing, except that the voice acting becomes exponentialy more "so bad its good" the further you play
https://youtu.be/j8vC3GBHob0
It did leave a lasting love for the undead (the first shown skeleton in the intro still looks cool imo) and a fucked up feeling when first playing Heroes since most of the music from Crusaders is just remixes of HoMM tunes.

>>6343343
What in gods name is this...

>>6343464
Idle rattle is one thing, that's just a cute joke.

>>6343504
WoMM is...uh...well it's a complicated mess. There were actually 3 different games PS1, PS2 and GBC. All three are trainwrecks. Despite sharing the same name, all 3 are completely different games. I've been told that the PS1 and PS2 ones share vaguely the same...."plot", but have completely different graphics, levels and gameplay (although I'm told for some reason they share the exact same cutscenes). The GBC version was basically shipped broken, is more or less borderline unplayable.

>>6343553
>look into all this
>there was another game still, a direct sequel to warriors
3DO were not a very smart company at all, were they

Anyone familiar with this bug?

I wallked up to the tile beneath this Ore Mine, after that I planned to walk up one tile to flag it.
But as I landed on the tile beneath it, it said I flagged a Mercury source.
Holding right mouse button on some spots here and it says Mercury Mine, while on others Ore Mine.

You don't get Mercury from mines. You get Mercury from Alchemist Labs.

real fucking mature Kastore

>Warriors of Might and Magic

Literally the only M&M game(s) worse than HoMM7

No dragons left.
A lot of the time the warlock AI can never afford their dragons, but this time the purple warlock expanded more than usual I guess.

>>6339141
>extremely violent monks
kek

>>6344092
Kek

>>6344206
HoMM7 is better than 4 and 6.

Kek, I've got even better score with the crown.

>>6344831
Do you know the times for the final missions themselves?

>>6345071
With the carry-over troops I just rushed the castle and reached Roland in 13 days.
With the crown I had to build army and economics first, reached the castle in 36 days. But the crown mission was faster, I got it in a month or so, while the in gauntlet mission I waited until the last week to get the most troops, maybe it was overkill though.

>>6344554
What are you high on (and where can I get some)?

>>6345556
Wouldn't surprise me if he's right.
6 messed up the resource system, which I hear they fixed for 7.

>>6344092

Damn, you don't have any resources on the max difficulty.

>>6345625
I hear 7 wasn't even playable until about half a year AFTER it was released.

>>6345639
yeah it can make some maps tricky, like if there's lots of wood on water, but you need 20 wood for a shipyard, 10 wood for a ship.

>>6345639
Yeah. That's why I don't like playing on it: it makes many maps a RNG gamble on whether you happen to find the right resources in piles or mills to build your dwellings.

>>6345660
>>6345681
But you absolutely need it for the black dragon rating like the dude >>6334724 above, right?

>>6345687
I'm not sure if it's required, but it affects the score a lot so you get higher rating on the same time with a higher difficulty.

When I did Warrior Knight as yellow: >>6338036
it was like a puzzle to solve at the beginning, because Yellow doesn't have a lumber mill.
There's one lumber mill next the purple castle in the swamp, and one lumber mill near reds castle in the swamp, those are the closest sources of lumber. Couldn't get to the purple one in time, but I could send a scout hero up to the red lumber mill and grab 2 clumps of wood.
Yellow starts with a Shipyard, so I only needed 10 wood, which I got. Then 1 sorc out to sea where there's hundreds of wood.

So if you want to play on impossible you may want to study your start a bit and see how you can get essential resources quickly.

>>6337727
>>6337712

Why are they called Horned Demons when unupgraded Demons have horns too?

>>6346048
They get another horn

>>6346065
The regular demon just has one of those tumors, like those that some rabbits get.
The second one has that, and a true horn.

>>6346074

>>6345556
>What are you high on (and where can I get some)?
I'll preface by saying that not a single game after 3 released in a finished state and only 5 got somewhere after they let Nival patch it for months and months.
6 is just degenerate. It killed logistics, it has too many sustain abilities, the always online features and reputation do not gel with the gameplay, it's badly balanced (not in terms of faction v faction but just generally in mechanical sense), it's simply completely unfun. I've been trying to find saving graces in VI for a long time and the best I can say for it is that it gave assets to M&MXL which was pretty enjoyable.
4 has good ideas unlike 6 but just like 6 it's unfinished and lacking. AI barely works, spell system is interesting but bloated, hero power curve is bonkers, when you take Terry Ray's novels out of it it's just uninteresting to play. I heard some people enjoy it for PVP, though.
7 is an attempt to do 6 right, and honestly if it wasn't for constrained budget and deadlines they probably could've done it. 4 and 6 look like Heroes but they're not really Heroes, 7 is Heroes, just really, really fucking mediocre. It's bugged, it has bad art design, its skill system is TERRIBLY balanced, but if those things were fixed tomorrow it would've been an enjoyable game. Obviously I wouldn't recommend actually playing it, but I wouldn't recommend 4 or 6 either, and if I had to pick which one was the least shit, I'd say it's 7, even if 7 is still rather shit.

Sorry for offtopic, but... Guys. How old are we? I'm 29, 30 in 3 days. I love the third, but never played the second. First M&M game MM8.

>>6346279
Also 29, played the HoMM2 demo (just Broken Alliance) a shitload when I was a kid even though I was terrible at it. I think I first rediscovered HoMM3 when I was in college even though it was almost a decade old at that point.

>>6346279
I was in my 20s last year, not necessarily in my 20s anymore.

Looking over images and maps.
An edit I made a while ago of the final evil mission, so it's a 3v3 instead of a 1v4.
+2 barb towns for the barbarian player, +1 necro castle for the necromancer.
Archibald just has his 1 warlock castle.

Added some campaign heroes for the map, also a knight castle for the knight AI and a sorc castle for the sorc AI.

Only tried it as the red warlock.

>>6346279
34. Played a bunch of 2, didn't play 3 until much later, finding it very hard to get into 3 compared to 2 now though. Started with MM7, more recently played MM6 and will prob play MM7 again sometime soon since all my memories of it have faded.

>>6345687
not really, maps can have a difficulty modifier that effects how much score you get even if the map isn't particularly hard. I vaguely recall map size + how quickly you win being the biggest factors outside of the difficulty level and modifier so just finishing a map fast can get you a black dragon rank even on normal.

>>6346279
I'm 20 and 4 is my favourite despite me starting with 3
I also hadn't played any M&M game except for X

>>6346279
26, I used to watch my older brother play Heroes 3 with his friends. After a while I got to join the hot-seat games but always got my ass kicked lol. I play the editor more than the game itself, it's perfect for relaxing after work. Arguably one of the best map editors ever.

Never played any M&M but want to check out 6 since everybody keeps saying great things about it.

>>6346279
31
HoMM II feels really outdated, even for such an oldfart like me, everything is clunky, never liked it because of that inferior gameplay.

>>6346279
23. HoMM2 is by far my favourite

28. Played 2,3,5. favourite in the order of 3 > 5 > 2 > the match 3 spinoff > didnt play the rest

Which is considered a greater embarrassment: M&M IX or M&M X?

>>6347131
Is it true that the HoMM3 step forward in all directions compared with the HoMM2? In what detail is a HoMM2 better than a HoMM3? I had no experience of the game, but the HoMM2 seem to look much visually poorer.

>>6347584
MM9.
Meanwhile MM10 is a finished game that somehow has the MM brand on it.
9 is somewhere in the late alpha stage, just like HOMM4. But unlike HOMM4 it do the terrible decision to do 3D a few years before engines/tools/hardware is ready for it, and is cut short so badly it hurts.

>>6347594
homm3 is strictly superior but pls schedule an appointment with your optometrist

>>6346279
wrong side of 30, HOMM1 and MM6, but being a slav I did not understand any of the story. HOMM2 was a blast for years, had to upgrade to 12mb of RAM to play it

>>6347584
MMX is a good game. I don't know where the meme that it isn't came from. It's far better than it deserves to be considering it's made in Unity out of scrap assets from Heroes VI. Yes, tilebased movement and entirely linear progression aren't very good and the story is mediocre, but the combat is fantastic and power progression feels really nice, it feels far more of a complete product than any of Ubi's Heroes games.

>>6347594
>Is it true that the HoMM3 step forward in all directions compared with the HoMM2
It's a sidestep.
Homm2 is a step forwards to homm1, but homm3 is more like a sidestep that changes fundamentals to the game that happens to appeal to more people.
Late game is more balanced in homm3, creatures on the same tier are closer to eachothers tier level. Phoenixes are better than Arch Devils, but the gap between them isn't like the one between homm2 black dragons and homm2 crusaders.
Homm2s "balance" isn't based on the creature rooster and their individual tiers, but more about the stage in the game and what you can afford. The economy is very different, a fully built Wizard town, can't accumulate enough income on its own to purchase 2 Titans, and each week it gets +3 titans, that's 1/6 creatures the Wizard town has, and Titans are still worth making. In homm3 most capitols can afford the entire weekly creature growth or fall a bit short. in comparison.
As a noob in either game homm3 will be much more forgiving because of this, a noob in homm2 will run out of money and be frustrated because he can't build anything, a noob in homm3 still gets the full army from his faction.

>>6347594
HoMM2 is beautiful, I'm just going to hope you're confusing the graphics with HoMM1 and you're not one of these assholes that thinks the bland ass 3D renders from the early 2000s is inherently superior to detailed, colorful pixel art.

It's hard to dispute HoMM3 has stronger gameplay but I think HoMM2 excels HoMM3 in art, music, and style. HoMM3 isn't bad in any of these areas, but the game isn't particularly memorable for any of them. May Allah forgive me for using this word, but HoMM2 is oozing with soul.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z_avCG9tPs

>>6347653
also homm2 runs perfectly on linux with dosbox

>>6347629
>>6347653

Um... sorry guys, I didn’t want to hurt your sense of beauty. It’s just the look of a man who has been playing only in homm3 (and not much in 4 and 5, it was meh it all) from a homm series all his life.

HoMM2 apologists call its balance "time-based" and its economy "challenging"
I call it what it is, unabalanced.

>>6347584
9, this isn't really a question. 10 still had some issues, but it was a real game. 9 was such a disaster that it took months of fan support to make it even remotely playable where it could at least resemble a game that had potential. 10 was fine, it wasn't great, but it wasn't bad.

>>6337837

>>6347772
based

>>6347653
but homm3 renders are soulful

>>6347649
This, only downside are bugs, the game is awesome.

HOMM2 music>HOMM3 music
Overall HOMM3 is the better game

>>6347653
Heroes 2 is one of those games that seems to have aged like a fine wine when you look at screenshots but when you actually play it, the animations, transitions interface etc. reveal its true age. Kind of like Mirrors Edge or Caesar 3. I love playing it but there's a distinct "retro" feel to it that Heroes 3 somehow evaded.

???

>>6348129
Tazar, at high enough level, regardless of how high Crag gets.

>>6348129
Tazar gets 30%/45%/60%/75%/90% reduction at level 20/40/60/80/100.
And this is put in the defense calculation in such a manner that his troops starts receiving one damage around level 110-115, regardless of modifiers.

But most games end at level 15-30, so its not a big deal.

>>6343142
Considering you think of them as some obscure shit, I guess it will be breaking news if I tell you the whole setting wasn't made for the games, but was adaptation of stuff created for books and tabletop campaigns.

>>6348478
You can't get past level 99, it will just zero your level.

>>6342620
also this

>>6348909
Actual HoMM4 killer right there.

>>6348910
>Actual HoMM4 killer right there.
Kill something that's stillborn in the first place? That's a neat trick...

>>6348887
hm, odd I thought I had done that just do make 9999 arch angels do 1 damage against tazar, but you're right, at least in Complete.

Maybe I did it with a combination of shield but I just didn't remember that, or it worked in vanilla homm3.

How do i run Heroes 2 on windows 10?

>>6348129
there are a bunch of other heroes that have offense/defense specialty

whys it always gota be crag vs tazar

>>6348967
Not sure.
I'm on w7.

Try mounting a homm2 succession war disc.
Then copy the contents, paste it into a homm2 folder.
Then click the heroes2 icon.

>>6348967
GOG has a ready to go dosbox configuration with even a little script to swap out the soundtracks

>>6348973
Neela has Scholar.
Mephala has Leadership.
Tazar has potentially perfect secondary skills.

Though their primary skill progression is probably better.

>>6348996
GOG dosbox is a bit choppy with the movement right?

>>6347736
Yeah I just can't imagine a situation in which Knight has the advantage over another faction, people say you're supposed to rush early but your tier one units are nigh useless and of course your higher tier units are generally outclassed if you wait around.
Don't know why you're using the word apologists like that makes it a shit game though, shitty to non-existent balance is just something you have to put up with in retro games.
Tell me guys who have won with Knight on 200%, do you go trying to take towns week 1 or do you try to build pikes/swords and rush on week 2?

>>6349103
>Tell me guys who have won with Knight on 200%, do you go trying to take towns week 1 or do you try to build pikes/swords and rush on week 2?
Depends on the map. Lost Continent I'd take a town week 1, but I'd also do that with Sorc. I'm not sure if you take a town on week 1 on seven lakes, if it's on week 2 it's not with swords+pikes from your main anyway, it's with archers+map creatures. The peasants are terrible but they can do a job in an early fight, like if you take a knight town, your archers shoot town the enemy archers, your peasants kill their approaching pikemen, then your archers kill their peasants.
Knight power changes a lot with a good foundry location.
With a Foundry you have 2 Master Swordsman vs every 1 Roc, or 5 Master Swordsman for every 2 Minotaur Kings.

>>6349103
>Yeah I just can't imagine a situation in which Knight has the advantage over another faction
It's a town that relies on finding Archer's Houses and simply amassing a fuckton of T1-T2 units to get a different town and double-build. Building up to Pikes/Swords and even Rangers takes too long because you are blocked for three days thanks to Well/Thieves Guild/Tavern so your best bet is to focus on hiring heroes to frontload your Day 1-2 army. While Peasants suck, 3 heroes + dwelling means you get 150+ of those Day 1, and the AI is gunning for your Archers.
In general, Knight excels on maps where you can reap benefits from multiple Peasant Huts and Archer's Towers and deliver a devastating Day 1 push. 150 Peasants is effectively 150 damage, which nothing else can push in one hit at the time. Later on, Knight is the most effective town to support a double-build strategy simply because everything is dirt cheap yet relatively cost-effective especially if Archer's Houses are on the map.
Barbarian is generally an easier "rushdown" town, though, you can get to Trolls on Day 3 and they're way less reliant on finding external dwellings.

>>6349103
>>6349219
Also, for what it's worth, the old Astral Wizard archives held Roland Campaign speedruns and the missions where you had the choice of a faction Knight usually was favored most likely due to guaranteed strong martial hero with Leadership and Ballistics and ranged units. Doing anything fast in HoMM2 (and so aiming for those juicy Black Dragons on your high score... or bragging rights on the 1999 internets) is entirely about exploiting the dwellings on the map anyway for their free units, so the buildup phase is sometimes laying on the wayside.

>>6349191
This is good info, it seems I have too much of a HoMM 3 mentality in that I thought getting dwellings was still the most important thing. Guess I have to adjust my mentality and focus on expanding and finding map objects but undoing years of HoMM 3 programming will be tough. And yes it is enemy ranged units that make peasants seem so obnoxiously bad, 1 orc killing 20 peasants with a crossbow shot and such. Thanks for tips.

H2 combat is so jank, theres no wait command.

Theres no advanced strats with 1 unit stacks like in 3. Fights are basically just bumrush with your fast units and spam attack spells.

>>6349295
>Theres no advanced strats with 1 unit stacks like in 3.
You split units down to 1 unit stacks every now and then. Soaking up a retalation, blocking, luring, keeping another ranged unit from shooting.

>>6349295
on the other hand H2 doesn't really allow you to do shit like grind out a single battle with a fast non-retal unit by wait-and-running and some other attributes of combat make it still hard and interesting to conserve your low level armies

>>6349295
and that's a good thing. It's refreshing not having to min-max like in homm3 fights, it gets boring but you're disadvantaged if you don't

okay, map concept

Bunch of Knights, but they have something that sets them a part.
Death Knight, basically Corlagon, a Knight with Expert Necromancy.
Unicorn Knight, a couple of sorc towns that can't be upgraded to castles, but come with Fence Meadows, so they have access to Unicorns+Knight units.
Griffin Knight, same concept but with warlock+griffin nests.
Red Dragon Knight, has a dragon city close to his cap.

What else?
Phoenix Knight, Green Dragon Knight, Golem Knight, Mage Knight? I feel like anything beyond that is a stretch.

Maybe something AI only, where it's a Knight vs AI map, or the Knights with their special units are AI only while you fight them as whatever.

>>6349295
It all depends on your attitude pal, when I went from 3 back to 2 mine was basially:
>Ok so it's do or die in this game, let's go then.
It is difficult to adjust to the fact that you're going to take more hits/losses, in 3 it can feel like a game over if your shooter stack takes a rough hit in the early game but you have to let go of that for 2.

>>6346934
In h3 I think difficulty matters more for the final score.

>>6346279
I'll be 29 in a few months, played 1-2 as a kid, skipped 3 for no good reason, liked 4, only after played the third game.
Only played mm6.

>google homm2 map objects
>stumble upon this
http://breakstatusquo.com/portfolio-home/map-for-homm2/

Kinda neat, I don't play PoL though so I won't try it

>>6349003
Yes

>>6349219
>you are blocked for three days thanks to Well/Thieves Guild/Tavern
What do you need guild for? Also what's the point of building well in fist days? It only starts working from the new week, I always build it on day7.

>>6349571
You need the Well for the Blacksmith(place you build pikes)

>>6349574
Right, I forgot about that.

>>6349465
heroes 3 teaches new players bad habits like relying on one main hero, turtling against AI using your power stack unit, and letting fostering really passively play e.g. building up to castle+capitol

Heroes 2 you can't do much on your 1 town, and it's all about needing to expand fast, play aggressive with lots of heroes, take scrappy fights to get value from picking up resources on the map.

Is randomized part of damage applied simultaneously for the whole stack or for each creature individually?
For example 50 sprites(1-2 damage) hit someone with equal defense, will it be any number in 50-100 interval?

>>6349673
>heroes 3 teaches new players bad habits like relying on one main hero, turtling against AI using your power stack unit, and letting fostering really passively play e.g. building up to castle+capitol
Spotted the 80% hero

>>6348973
because those two heroes are memes

>>6348973
>>6348997
Crag and Tazar have the most extreme investments into Attack and Defense respectively too so they're polar opposites

>>6350965
Attack is almost always better, enemy damage is mostly soaked by 1-unit stacks and cannon fodder anyway.

>>6350975
on the flipside Fortress is really cost-efficient when it comes to taking on Dragon Utopias as early as possible simply by the virtue of how much they can tank with Beastmasters and Tazar in particular

>>6350958
Crag
>complete retard
>gets scammed by a skeleton
>useless if can't get crystal for a behemoth rush week 1
>has to build an escape tunnel to abandon his own town
>relies on hitting first like a bitch
>willing to sacrifice hordes of goblins and wolf riders

Tazar
>shrewd mercenary, wanted by every town
>held an outpost for a week against barbarians
>versatile
>all buildings are useful and make a fortress even more impenetrable
>untouchable
>leaves a battle with minimal casualties

Bros i got HOMM5, about to start playing, what am i in for?

>>6351000
for shit

>>6350997
>useless if can't get crystal for a behemoth rush week 1
This isn't even the most efficient Stronghold strat nowadays because upg. goblins and wolfs are cheap and more bursty

>>6351000
Bad writing, but an obvious attempt at re-creating 3 with a deeper skill tree in the Ubi world. The gameplay is good although initiative will take some time to get used to. Download the skill wheel if you haven't.

>>6351029
>The gameplay is good

no, battles take too much time

>>6351032
Oh that sucks, i wish i could get a refund, oh well, i'll try it anyway

>>6351032
I never felt that. My biggest complaint is that enemies dont respawn.

>>6351029
>Bad writing

Well maybe worse than 4, but it's not like any of the games were really high literature...

How do you think starting locations should be like in relation to eachother in homm2?

Pondering what I wanna do with water in the map editor.

I guess there are 6 basic ways to do it.
>A
just lots of islands, not really my ideal. I guess Dragon Rider is like that.
>B
land only map, can work, Revolution is fun, but not what I prefer
>C
Lost Continent, Forsaken Lands.
One continent, and a sea to travel around it.
Decent.
>D
One inland sea, Winterlands is an alright map, some island in the inland sea can make it pretty interesting. I suppose it makes defense a bit too easy and onesided, but that could chance with a relatively smaller inland sea.
>E
Sea hugging one side of the map. Can't think of a clear map example though.
>F
Several notable lakes, like Seven Lakes, though every map doesn't need to start within them.


Warrior Knight and Broken Alliance would be D+E I guess. Those maps are pretty appealing.

>>6351939
>People to this day discuss campaigns from 2, 3 and 4
>Nobody talks anything about 5 aside gameplay and actively avoids the subject of fluff
Gee, I wonder why

>>6351004
>Forcing various stacks to flee in first week, so you gain access to resources faster/easier/both
>Nah, just upgrade wolves
Confirmed to be a meta-retard

>>6352250
I'll give you 3 and 4, but people give a fuck about 2's plot? News to me.

>>6352295
Archie best king

>>6352315
Roland best.

Archibald a shit.

>>6352532
why don't we let the Sphinx settle this

>>6352256
>not realizing the most rewarding places for resources / artifacts are banks on the map where no one can flee
>not even having the faintest idea of how the AI calculates the power of your forces
>wanting to skip fights and lose XP for no reason
Troglodyte.

>tfw HC dropped to <50 posts per day
>non-homm subforums are basically completely dead, a couple of posts per day
I think I've been visiting that place more or less sporadically for the last ten years. Now it really is kill, the age of forums in general is probably over as well ;_;

>>6352640
Anything good on there? Maybe some good maps that weren't posted to heavens or something?

>>6347736
>Durr what I say it is is what it is!

>>6352228
>>6352228
I can think of two others.
>G
Horseshoe map, inland coast rather than an inland sea with a land route around one side but not the other.
>H
One (or more) continents with some smaller islands.
>I (just thought of it now)
Two facing off continents / huge islands.

I've only played HoMM3, which fortunately for me is apparently the best game in the series. However the impression I get from these general threads is that HoMM5 is more-or-less considered the second-best game. What exactly did 5 get right to earn this place?

>>6352789
3rd best, 3>2>5 although you have a few people very loyal to 2. It's not that 5 is great, but as basically a clone of 3 it had some good parts (although the loading screens and AI turn length were genuinely awful at launch). 4 was unfinished and rushed out with some attempts at changing the structure of the game which mostly didn't work out plus they destroyed the world for no reason.

>>6346279
52
Played 2 and 3 when they came out. Still play 3 regularly

>>6348863
Thanks doc.

>>6352228
>>6352690
D would be strategically simple since you'd go clockwise or counter-clockwise and beat your enemies one by one, but you could spice things up a lot with shipyards. Also imagine if there was an island in the center of the sea with gold mines?

It reminds me of my favorite AoE 2 map "Mediterranean". Fast pace, high replay value.

here is a simple challenge for anyone interested

beat h3 complete, Arrogance on at least Hard in the shortest amount of time. You can look up the map beforehand, but is is S anyway

>>6353023
What's the trick about arrogance?

>>6353023
It seems I actually played arrogance, 352 score for 60 days for naga queen rating.

>>6352250
I want to fuck Markal, so that's one thing they did right

>>6352680
Everything I say is right.

>>6352640
HC is turboautistic, nothing of value is lost.

>>6353089
>HC is turboautistic, nothing of value is lost.

>>6352991
>Also imagine if there was an island in the center of the sea with gold mines?
Yeah that's Winterlands.
It is quite simple, despite the shipyards.
It's probably the map that is the most comfy in the way that homm2 looks comfy, while in general homm2 isn't really comfy.

>>6353023
Not sure why but that map always fucks my shit up. All for One is my Impossible map of choice.

>>6352640
>50 posts per day
>couple of posts in off topic threads
That is insanely high activity for a forum post-2000s.

>>6352690
>>I (just thought of it now)
>Two facing off continents
Yeah I think that's prettydistinct.
Also the reverse of it.

>>6349458
Think I'm going for something like D+E >>6352228

Players should be able to meet in the middle, but I like the idea of an outer ring they can around around in. Water will have some islands.
Yellow isn't necessary desert.

Might switch Unicorn Knight and Griffin Knight locations.
Not sure what I'd do with player 5 and 6.
AI only barbarian with +minotaurs across the sea maybe.
More factions in the same vein, golem, phoenix and green dragon knight.

I think an eastern/western sea is better than a northern/southern sea because of how towns must be located for shipyards.

Terrains for the different starting location would probably still be mostly grassland, just using different ones to make them look distinct atm. More forests for unicorn, more mountains for griffins+dragons

New hero from the upcoming HotA Factory campaign. What do you think?

>>6353678
speciality and secondary skills?

>>6353678
Was Bracada really that dogmatic? I know Gavin was an asshole, but huh?

>>6353691
Maybe he did something that got too close to necromancy.

Would any of you want a HoMM8? Or would you rather they leave the series alone before they disgrace it even further?

>>6353678
I think that factory is shit.

>>6353701
There's no story they can fuck up.
They can have another go at it.
Maybe they'll get it right, maybe one new mechanic is good and can be replicated.

>>6353701
Sell the IP to someone who cares and make another attempt at HoMM8.

>>6353691
Academics are sold destroyers

>>6353718
The impression I got from 7 is that they cared, but that was negated by the fact that they had no budget.

>>6353691
They're progressive but they still have boundaries such as anything even tangentially related to Necromancy. Maybe his "experiments" required some kind of evil act? Either that or Gavin Magnus was triggered by him having a mind of his own.

>>6353729
Just caring is not enough, you also need budget, time, vision and expertise. Limbic lacked all of that and Ubi lacks the idea on what game to make and how to market it.

>>6353760
Necromancy is one thing, but trying to paint Bracada as 1:1 Ashan Silver Cities is fucking stupid, actually goes against established lore and probably exists because HotA writers are hacks and need to prop up their protagonist. Isn't it funny how a lot of things HotA does are actually mistakes of Ubisoft as well?

>>6353701
I would say hand the reins back to the original team and make a game that is dated on purpose, like Obsidian did with Wasteland and Planescape. But apparently New World Computing has scattered to the winds. Jon van Caneghem and Sir Mullich are both doing mobile games now.

>>6353786
The original team doesn't exist, doesn't want to make such games and there's also no guarantee that they can make a good game because they may not have been following the discourse developing around the game over the years.

>>6353691
We know Bracada fucks with magic, but do they fuck with cyborgs and laser guns?

>>6353801
Golems are cyborgs that operate on magic rather than tech. Which makes doubly suspect that a tech faction would fork off Bracada and not something else but hey, they'll fanfic it up.

>>6353701
I want indie homm clone with pixel graphics, good faction balance and KB-style leadership.

>>6353801
Everybody fucks with sci-fi in HoMM one way or another.

>>6353678
muh steampunk atheist scientific progress
is it 2007 again?

>>6353887
Literally Project Lead's self-insert.

>>6353898
Honestly, why do authors self-insert in such blantant way? If they absolutely have to, can't they at least be less stupid about it?

>>6353887
>cowboy hat
Tevye you absolute Chad

>>6353953
Large creature.

>>6353576
Wut? It was far more lively just ten years ago, I checked Wayback Machine and just five years ago it had around 300 ppd. Tons of forums have way more traffic than that even today.

>>6353089
>"turboautistic" is an insult now, on fucking 4chan
wew

>>6352675
Lots of discussions of the games and mods, sometimes spanning literal decades.

>>6353974
>Lots of discussions of the games and mods, sometimes spanning literal decades
also comfy af 90s web design

>>6353978
Probably 90s webserver too, given their "overload protection" that literally doesn't work right half the time.

>>6353772
>Isn't it funny how a lot of things HotA does are actually mistakes of Ubisoft as well?
People here are too blind to see that.

>>6353678
What a faggot.

>>6353974
Turboautist has always been an insult on 4chan. Sure, it can only be used hypocritically, but it's an insult all the same.

>>6354014
???

>>6353898
/fa/ as fuck.

>>6354330
Not with those shoes.
Can take a Russian out of abibas, can't take abibas out of the Russian.

>>6345759
What's the score threshold for black dragon rating, 200 or so? I spent way too much time but multiplier of impossible rating gives a really big boost to score it seems.
Also h2 Solmyr is a human and it's apparently non-canon character.

>>6354636
228 is the cutoff

Realized that recently because I got 228 on one score and got a black dragon, and I browsed older screens and saw a score of 227 with a Titan.

>Also h2 Solmyr is a human and it's apparently non-canon character.
Yeah a lot of names are reused in m&m and homm, iirc Crag Hack exists in several m&m games but isn't necessarily the same one as you play in homm, but not sure.

>>6353678
i still think hota is shit

>>6354642
I thought red dragon is considered a bit stronger than a titan for AI judging on a table from here >>6337760 ?
But creatures per ratings for some reason were picked differently indeed.
https://www.gog.com/forum/heroes_of_might_and_magic_series/homm2_rating_corresponding_creatures

>>6354668
Red dragons are considered stronger for thieves guild calculation(and presumably for creature fleeing), but titans are considered stronger for score rating.

>>6353678
>aeronautics enthusiast
>could just cast fly
Factory gets worse everytime I see more of it
Also agree with
>>6353691
>>6353705
>>6353772
>>6353887
>>6353898
>>6353923

>>6353801
>no, we couldn't reconstruct Forge, it's impossible
>introduces atheist steampunk cowboys

How does native terrain penalty work in heroes 2?

Is the penalty ignored by the hero faction or by having all same faction units?

>>6354724
It only depends on pathfinding. Snow or swamp is not a "native" terrain for any faction here.

>>6354720
I don't know anything about M&M lore, does this Factory crap have a basis in it like Forge or Regna?

>>6354760
From what I can gather, the only tie to the lore is "I set it in Eeofol/Jadame, therefore it ties in with the lore." It is at best Forge with sci-fi removed and cowboys inexplicably inserted.
I imagine the Factory campaign will look something like this:
>Gavin Magnus was a Nazi fascist conservative (ok I guess H4 sort of hints at this) and so were all the other wizards
>I presume Frederick was persecuted for putting dongs on all his golems and gargoyles and agitating for "free love"
>Solmyr, on behalf of his master Gavin Magnus, chases Frederick to 'East Jadame,' where Frederick has built his Golem-Worm-Armadillo Atheist Free Love Commune
>also there are now airplanes
it didn't have to be jetpack minotaurs and chainsaw zombie, but claiming this is somehow setting appropriate is a crock of shit

>>6354805
>I presume Frederick was persecuted for putting dongs
based
I'd do that too
Josephine btfo

*dabs*

>put hundreds of hours into heroes 3 in the past few years
>every time I play it after a few month break I get huge nostalgia feels from when I was playing it as a kid 20 years ago
how does this game do it?

>>6353671
>I think an eastern/western sea is better than a northern/southern sea because of how towns must be located for shipyards.
Think i'll go with southern ocean anyway, it's still better than a northern one, and I don't like how uneven the accessability of the towns in hte neutral zone betweenthem would be if there was an eastern ocean

>>6354753
damn thats annoying

makes any non barb heroes inherently worse on a lot of maps

>>6355095
you feel it don't you lad?
the lure of the mightchad
join us

>>6355098
magic lads cant catch the 1 WISDOM apes in the swamps

>>6354660
it is just hota hacks smelling their own farts, h3 discussions should exclude fanfic, but you can't just ban plebs

>>6355460
Quit armchair moderating, Ivan.

>>6355582
moderating? no, every fly is entitled to their share of shit. If hota taking a dump on a game and some think it tastes glorious who am I to argue? I will just move away because can't stand the smell, but please, dig in and let hotas bask in their reflected glory, bye

>>6355638
Shut the fuck up, faggot, you're insufferable.

>>6354858
lol

>>6354805
Frederick is only a supporting character as per the HotA devs, not the main.

>>6354709
Honestly science in a magical settings only makes sense when it's made by people who can't use magic

>>6353678
Cove has campaign.
campaign for the Factory?

>>6349458
Goblin Knight, lots of Barbarian towns that can't be upgraded to castles, but come with Huts, so they have access to Goblins+Knight units

Here's a list of things Bracada didn't really give a shit about:
>the Succession Wars
>the Night of Shooting Stars
>Deyja
>Deyja killing King Gryphonheart and bringing him back as a lich
>Kreegans in Antagarich
>Nighon
>Krewlod and Tatalia as long as they stayed over there
>Kilgore and Gelu
but put dongs on golems and its game over

>>6355753
>science in a magical settings only makes sense when it's made by people who can't use magic
So, like 99% of people in them?

>>6355853
It's rarely ever 99%, in most magical settings magic is more common (i'm not a huge lorefag in terms of the old homm lore though so idk if that's the case here). And i meant more like societies unable to use magic, it was my poor wording there so sorry about that. Even if a small part of a society can do magic, if it's enough to protect the society against other magical threats then there's no reason to invent science.

>>6354901
kek same here buddy, except not every month but every year. Works with H2, 3 & 4

>>6355872
>Even if a small part of a society can do magic, if it's enough to protect the society against other magical threats then there's no reason to invent science.
If magic is so fucking great, why do you need peasants to farm food, why do you need armies of soldiers with spears and knights on horses, why build castles if there are flying creatures and wizard can teleport into your king's bedroom, implode his ass and teleport back? Where are all those "common" setting without all this shit?
Also, you assume magic costs nothing, 100% reliable, every mage has access to any spell and can cast it with highest possible level of power.

>>6355889
Cost.
Magic in Might and Magic is seemingly learnable by everyone unless you can wear plate armor, then you immediately lose the ability to learn it
That being said magicnis gated behind exorbitant guild fees and gaining XP to advance by killing hordes of mooks, beyond the reach of most peasants

>>6355889
That's why i said if it's enough to protect the society.
>Where are all those "common" setting without all this shit? because a) it would be boring to just read about mage snapping his fingers and fixing everything (like how Gandalf didn't just call the eagles at the start of the journey) and b) many settings have some sort of anti-magical matter that calls for the existence of soldiers etc. (which is usually tied to the first point anyway)
And honestly, most of the time it makes no sense why dcan't magic be used to grow food, and the only reason is "because we need peasants to have something to do". It's kinda like the Brave New Wold scenario - they didn't need peasants to work much more than two, three hours a day thanks to scientific progress, but they were so unhappy when they had no work to do, that they literally used less machines and stuff to give those people something to do so that they don't get depressed.

>>6355820
Yes

>>6355908
>That's why i said if it's enough to protect the society.
If that was the case and magic makes technological progress irrelevant, societies in those settings wouldn't go past hunter-gatherers.
>because a) it would be boring to just read about mage snapping his fingers and fixing everything
It's because writers are unimaginative hacks who can't conceive anything besides another derivative tolkienesque shit.

There's two ways to do magic - religious, where magic is effectively granted by gods and miracles and requires faith or fealty, and scientific, where magic just exists as another phenomena of the world and then it's basically just part of the science of that world. While never stated, in classic M&M magic is ostensibly the latter, and thus it could be aruged that studying magic in Bracada makes you a scientist, of magic that is. Silver Cities grandfathered that concept in even though magic in Ashan in general is more mystical and faith-based but fuck them. The thing is, if you can command air to let you fly, then yes, you might just fly yourself, or, you can build an airship and make it fly with magic to move more people more efficiently. You can make blasters and power them up with enchantments of fire rather than powder or you can use alchemy to create powder for those who aren't gifted and attuned to arcane just like in real world we have hearing aids for ear-impaired folks.

Shit, I went full autism again.

>>6352228
>>6352690
Thank you for this. I've been having trouble getting started with maps but using a basic layout helps a lot.

>>6355949
>There's two ways to do magic
Well, even if magic is granted by gods, demons, fae or eldritch abominations beyond space and time, it can still be scientific. You can research new ways to praise your gods, analyse how faith correlates with power of granted miracles and stuff. Theology in Middle Ages was a thing after all.

>>6353806
>An inanimate hunk of metal is a cyborg
I'm not being pedantic, they're totally different.

>>6354805
>Trying to control the minds of everyone on Axeoth is "sort of a hint".

I'm pissed that they won't just put classic forge in the game for the people who really wanted it, but some of you are trying too hard to be mad.

>>6356073
>t. closet dong chiseling shill

>>6356250
>He's not mindlessly agreeing! SHILL!
I hope you get abducted, have your brains scooped out and get grafted onto a tank.

>>6353678
Dumb

>>6356294
>I hope you get abducted, have your brains scooped out and get grafted onto a tank.
This process was lost with the Ancients and irrecoverable, so have this rifle cowboy on a blimp instead

Let's just all agree not to discuss HotA in order not to shit in the thread. It's a mod, not the official game.

>>6356540
>Doom threads constantly talk about .wads
>Thief threads are all about fan missions
>Infinity Engine threads constantly talk about SCS and Ascension
>but let's make sure HoMM threads are pure vanilla gameplay and ignore any and all mod talk, surely to be replaced in favor of lovely and totally not stale subjects like "is Roland a cuck" and "is Crag Hack a chad" while reposting vk memes

>>6356582
Pretty much this. The one or two people who shit on HotA all the time are purist retards.

From all the discussion in these threads it seems like M&M requires some extreme min maxing or the games will eat you alive. Are they actually really hard or are people just pulling off crazy stuff with all their meta knowledge? I've only ever played HOMM games never touched M&M.

>>6356629
Nah it's not hard as long as you pick a party that isn't completely brittle / would fall over to the first breath of wind and don't try to do shit outside of your intended level. You can pretty much just muddle through however the fuck you like, if that's your thing.

>>6356629
Might & Magic games are very casual and carefree, they just reward you / allow you shortcuts if you manipulate the system by remembering how to get and retain temporary statboosts and other things

>>6356629
You can beat 6 and 7 with a standard party but if you want to blaze through everything it's going to probably be SSSC, SSSS if you've really meta'd everything to hell
>KKKK is ultrachad pro mode which I have never attempted

>>6356598
>>6356582
Those retards are shitting in Homm3 threads on russian 2ch non-stop. It's just hota hate for the sake of hate. They want to turn this comfy thread into a hatehole too.

BE ALARMED

>>6356636
>>6356646
>>6356653
That's a relief to know. Beyond looking up how to build a party I wanted to play them as blind as possible, only looking things up when absolutely stuck.

>>6356667
My first M&M was Isles of Terra (the third game, rarely discussed in general, most people remember the "3D" era of M&M games) and I went into it with the default party that happens to not have any source of Water Walking and I managed to accidentally stumble into the third city as one of my first quest destinations and ended up figuring out how to survive these sudden difficulty spikes all by myself. You will be fine. The only games in the series that could be considered to have a barrier of entry are the first two games, back when the series was a bit more proud of its Wizardry roots.

>>6356667
I recently did an SSSC playthrough of MM6, it made the game much easier. Skills and spells are far less gated in MM6 than in 7 and most players will tell you to replace the Archer with almost anything else. Paladin provides a backup healer, but if you build the Cleric right you won't need this because Mind and Spirit magic don't need to exceed the 4 skill points needed for Expert.
In MM7 the choices matter more because 7 introduces the Grandmaster rank which is locked behind quest and class requirements. For example, the Alchemy skill is added which only Druids can GM in order to make Black potions, but Druids can't learn Light or Dark magic.

>>6356667
The default party the game gives you in MM6 is just fine, if you wanna go blind then take that and have fun going about it however you like.

>>6356670
Having druid/ranger only spells was annoying because Walk on Water was the only useful one (and Etherialize makes it so you don't even need it). Even when I played it the first time I just hired the person in Wildabar, cast the spell, and fired her every time I explored watery areas until I finally got an item to cast it.

>>6356667
No, the games are pretty casual as long as you stick to your appropriate zones. Everything is pretty optional although we kept having questions about dying early in super early game MM6 which is why we emphasize going to get bows in the pastebin. You can beat any of the games starting with 3 with about any party, though you have to be creative if you don't use magic.

The bias towards stacked parties are for replays. Once you know where everything is you can shortcut a lot of the early and mid game limits.

>Town that literally HATES magic, has an anti-magic barrier, barbarians have anti-magic skill
>Ogre Mages
also
>Nomads
>living in a town

Were devs retarded or what?

>>6356806
>Look how sharp I am
Ouch, the edge!

>>6355949
>>>/tg/
Go back and stay back

>>6356824
Eat shit, faggot.

>>6356582
>>6356598
>There is only X people who do Y!

>>6356842
Go back to your meds, autismo

>>6356806
Maybe it's just a spot where nomads visit for trade etc. No explanation for ogre mages though.

>>6356859
They use club and fist magic, works for me, but I'm not autistic, so I might not be your best source on this

>>6356667
>going in 6 blind for the first time
Ah I envy you. Have fun.

>>6356806
but no one builds nomads and ogres. Chad barbarians always have Harpies, cyclops and behemoths.