/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6352931
>3 >

No.

>>6352952
Yes

>>6352931
3 was the worst of the games.

2 and 4 were the best.

>>6352959
Look, I respect what the creators INTENDED, I would have LOVED to have seen them make their dream game. When you dig into the behind the scenes stuff there's a lot that could have been amazing. But at the end of the day, when we look at what's actually in the game, it is FUNDAMENTALLY broken and to even call it incomplete is giving it too much generosity.

The biggest issue in PS3 is its shitty magic system. Otherwise, it's not that bad.
I would rank them 4 > 1 = 2 > 3

>>6352931
1 is always the best no matter what

>>6352968
I honestly feel sorry for Toyo Ozaki.
The amount of work, love and dedication she put into those characters is insane, there's probably more PS3 content out there than all the other PS games combined.
And in the end...barely anything made it to the full game.

>>6353263
The first three games are very dry when it comes to its characters. It works fine in the first game with its tight team and clear goals. PS2 would be better with more fleshed out characters but it still works with the bleak setting.
They dropped the ball in PS3, given that they throw few lines when someone joins you and at the end of a generation. That's it. When each character had personality and a comprehensive description, none of it appears in the game. Give PS3 world and characters the PS4 treatment and I'm sure you'd have a fan favorite.

>>6352931

1>4

Fuck yeah.

3>2

I'll admit you had me for a second there.

I bought Phantasy Star 1 on switch should I play the original mode or easy mode? It has less enemies, more meseta etc

>>6353087
>Otherwise, it's not that bad.

And the terrible dungeon designs, and the bad graphics, and the annoying "easy" battle theme which is the only one that ever plays.

>>6352961
2 sucked ass, 1 is better

>>6353087
> 4 > 1 = 2 > 3
Objectively correct

4 is the only one worth playing. Maybe 1 for the historical significance.

>>6353354
Original for sure. You can always fast forward if you feel that the progression is too slow

> 3 > 2

Can we get past the "which one is best" thing?
…I say, as I tell OP to git gud and grind for a few hours and then watch as the game becomes a cakewalk afterwards.
2 is grind-heavy for a while at the start, but it's still got this incredible atmosphere of impending doom.
3 had so much promise in terms of behind-the-scenes ideas, but it just feels like it got rushed and there was no time to make it actually memorable. I really, really would like some huge compendium of lore for 3 though, because there's so many promising ideas and concepts - and I love the whole "blade runner" kind of idea (Chobits is one of my favorite manga) so there's that going for it, too.
4's probably the best for character development.
1 has so much heart to it and so many clever ideas. it's amazing and about as fun to play as 4 but for different reasons.

2's US cover art is absolute dog shit, though.

>>6352931
So, uh, a few months ago I did a cover of the opening theme for Phantasy Star II on my Roland MT-32 for fun.
It's got a few little issues that I haven't ironed out (volume-related, mainly), but I think I did pretty well on it.
https://anonfile.com/1cp2x8r8o1/mt32phantasy_v2_ogg

There are a couple other tracks I also did, but it'll take a second since I hadn't recorded them yet.

>>6355479
"Silent Zone" also from Phantasy Star II, on MT-32.
https://anonfile.com/Zc3dx0r7od/silent_zone_mt32_long_2_ogg

>>6355515
"Death Place", also from Phantasy Star II.
https://anonfile.com/J974x4r5of/death_place_mt32_ogg

>>6355527
One last one. "Never Dream," the end credits theme from II. I think this one sounds very nicely suited to the MT-32.
https://anonfile.com/t7b8z5r6o9/Never_Dream_mt32_ogg

Also bump.

>>6354127
There's nothing like PS1/2 out there on the rpg landscape. They're overworld parts are like Dragon Quest but the dungeons have a heavy focus on navigation and resource management more inspired by Wizardry (even though 2 used a top-down view)

4 has a great story but the gameplay feels more generic by comparison

>>6355906
You make fair points, although I think 2 would be a lot less divisive & grindy feeling if there were more dialog and side-things to do.
The game definitely hits a nice dark theme, though.

>>6355896
Thanks for sharing Anon.

>>6356017
Thanks for acknowledging.
Hope they sounded ok to you; was sitting on them for months.

I heard phantasy star 4 was on par with Squares SNES stuff, but a lot of the lore relies on playing 1 and 2 first. Thing is 1 and 2 are like ultra hard Wizardry style RPGs apparently. Am I going to miss out on enjoying 4 throughly if I don't play the first 2

>>6356934
I played 4 without playing the previous ones and you won't miss out on anything important, it works fine as a standalone game. Just read a plot synopsis of 1 and 2 if you really want to.

>>6356934
1 and 2 aren't "ultra hard" or Wizardry style. They both just require some grinding (1 literally right out of the gate) and have a little bit of punishing dungeon design here and there but if you consult a guide once in a while you shouldn't get too discouraged.

>>6356971
>(1 literally right out of the gate)

I seriously started doubting myself when I tried PSI for the first time and got killed as soon as I left the first city, but after that, it's a real cakewalk.

>>6356934
1 isn't "ultra hard," although there are a few "Guide Dammit" moments and you may get through faster if you make or use maps. There's also a grind right at the beginning of 1 , but then you shouldn't have to grind any more after that later in the game.
2 is harder than 1 by a fair margin, and more grind-intensive (more accurately, there are more characters and they all join at level 1, so it takes a lot longer to get them levelled up. Also the EXP yields from the early enemies are pitiful.)
Again, though, once you're past the Biosystems lab (2nd or 3rd dungeon) it's significantly easier to just coast past that point. It also has fewer of those "Guide dammit" moments.
I'd say 1 is more fun because of how quirky and different it is, but both are good.
4 blows them out of the water though in terms of overall fit and polish, and you see a lot more of the characters' personalities shining through.
>>6357030
>but after that, it's a real cakewalk.
Exactly; that initial 30 minutes to hour or so is really annoying though.

Only marginally on topic, but I'm thinking of modding my (TMSS) Model 1 Genesis to disable TMSS. The Japanese version of Phantasy Star II is one of the games that Sega didn't correctly program to be allowed to boot on TMSS consoles.

PS4 > FF6

>>6357578
Definitely.
Only Chrono comes close, and it lacks the awesome cutscenes.

Ok...Phantasy Star series as a whole or the Xeno series as a whole. Which is the better science fiction/fantasy series?

>>6357618
Modern Xeno is pure faggotry

>>6357618
PSII alone is a better sci-fi game than all the Xeno shit.

>>6357618
Any PS game (even the Game Gear ones or the text adventures) with the _possible_ exception of III outclass Xeno.

>>6353263
PS3 is the one who would benefit the most from a remake.

>have fun playing through PS1
>play PS2 for a couple hours
>bored out of my mind and never touch the series again

>>6358479
You're missing out on 4.
And believe it or not 2 does get a little better.

BTW I've posted this before, but I liked the Phantasy Star II JP box art enough to nab a copy and scan it.
I scanned it at much higher resolution than this but this is what'll fit on 4chan and it's big enough.

>>6359523
Back cover (I care less about this but it was also scanned so whatever)

These are 25% the resolution I scanned at.

>>6355479
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>>6355527
>>6355896
These are beautiful. Thank you.

>>6359572
You made my day anon, thanks for the praise

>>6352931
How come there were never traditional PS games on the Saturn or Dreamcast?

PSO is great but imagine if there were a traditional phantasy star game on dreamcast but with the scale of Skies of arcadia. Exploring planets/galaxy like how you would in SoA and in a 3d engine, or the same but on saturn with 32 bit sprites and 3d character battles like SFIII?

Phantasy Star 2 is the best of the games.

- you can mix & match your party membership unlike all the other games
- combined with the wide range of equipment this means you have quite a bit of leeway in configuring your party and finding the optimal set-up making it more like a dungeon crawler
- the immense amount of grinding and mazes means plot progression feels like a real achievement, the games story moments feel really earned
- the aesthetic is absolutely perfect, art, music and gameplay in perfect synergy, this is proved by the fact that when Sonic Team produced PSO for the Dreamcast, it's the PS2 aesthetic they went for in 3D

I love PS4 but it's too easy and on-rails for me to love as much as PS2. The story compensates for this, but 2 is still the all time classic

>>6355479
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>>6355896
I will ruthlessly steal these for my rpgmaker game that I will never finish, good stuff
>topic at hand
I always loved the setting and ideas behind PS2, actual gameplay is kind of a nightmare and I've barely done shit in it to this day
PS3 somehow looks, plays, and sounds worse than 2. A total downgrade
In PS4 they actually made a real game again. It's clearly the most "casual" of the old PS games, but it's also the only one that's not frustrating to play
I've never really bothered with PS1, but I like the idea of having a cat as a teammate and Alis is hot without dressing like a slut

>>6359671
Because PSIV was a definitive ending and they were smart enough to know any continuation of it would feel cheap. PSO was developed gameplay first, they didn't decide to attach the PS branding to it until later and until they did they were planning to let PS rest forever

>>6353146
>fast forward: the game
Nah

https://www.twitch.tv/hyperrobotenguris

My friend is doing a playthrough of Phantasy Star 2.

Recently played through 1's switch port and it was dream to play through, the best way to experience the game (outside of translation and a few errors they didn't fix of course). I'm of the camp that wouldn't mind the games being remade for better or worse but if we never get remakes, including re-remakes for 1 and 2, then I'd be fine with them just making similar ports for the rest of the series. I'll probably move on to replaying PS2 again after I finish my Shining Force play through again.
>>6353263
>tfw she even participated in a fan doujin anthology for the classic ps series
It sucks man, she loves the characters a lot. While unfortunately a lot of what she came up with for the characters isn't "official", I'd agree that we know the most about PSIII's characters compared to any other games cast. PS's staff had a nasty habit in general of discussing important story background for the games and then not including it at all but I feel Ozaki expanded and explained it the best for PS3, though you can argue that's not much a feat since PS3 feels really bare bones.
>>6353341
PS2's text adventures worked fantastically to provide both character and world building to a game already praised for how character driven it was compared to other rpgs, but it definitely would have benefited more if they were able to incorporate that more into the main game. Granted they couldn't add on that much to the game back then but it's a bit ironic for how much people bash the remakes they seem to at least did try to incorporate info from the text adventures into them. But back to PS3, it 's a bit strange how Sega is very hesitant to acknowledge it when a remake would help it out a lot. It already has everything needed to be successful, even including waifus which they could add a relationship system for. Not to mention again that the original artist would be completely down for it too. It's personally my fav despite it's major flaws but I'll always foolishly hope.

>>6359671
I also agree with >>6359917 since there's a good chance they didn't want to add a new game to the series immediately after they effectively concluded the original 4 games. Many fans of the originals are also a bit defensive about a new game in the series too since there's many other cases of great jrpgs from the 80s-90s becoming "soulless" as they were forced to drag on. I personally wouldn't be opposed to a new PS in the same universe as the others but only because the original PS staff both still works at Sega and have said many times in recent years that they would make a new game if Sega let/wanted them to, saying they'd either make a prequel about the great light or even a sequel that would involve dealing with how numans keep populating a lot amusingly enough. Who knows.

>>6358356
I always see people beg for remakes of good games but why? Why remake games that are perfect. They should remake games that had ideas but missed the mark. Remaking good games almost always leads to a worse game. Remake a bad game and maybe you do something it couldn't.

>>6360647
As much as fanboys always want for a new game, there's also really something to be said about knowing when to end on a high note. Certainly not without fault but the games still have a very strong following of fans who played it and with people getting into retro. Look at any series that kept running *CoughFF*) and it almost invariably drops in quality but the good installments the good games still endure.

I would love for the Sega Ages PS2 remake of Phantasy Star 2 would get an official translation and released as a digital title for Switch and PS4. Speaking of Switch when is Phantasy Star 2 coming to Switch? They already got 1 on sega classics/

>>6360987
>I would love for the Sega Ages PS2 remake of Phantasy Star 2 would get an official translation and released as a digital title for Switch and PS4

No you don't. It was horrible.

>>6359527
I get the feeling this artwork wasn't originally meant to be tied to Phantasy Star 2. As in, he drew an original character and then somebody thought it looked close enough to Nei to use. I mean, the costime is quite different and the gun is a gun.

>>6360997
It just needs some QOL changes and itll be good

>>6361038
It also needs a complete art overhaul because it's chud ugly.

>>6361038
>some QOL changes
Getting rid of that disgusting artwork and reworked character design would improve my quality of life. Seriously m8, fuck that remake. It has no redeeming features. Any future ports should be based on the Mega Drive version.

>>6360715
I'm also glad the games did come to a great conclusion and so far has not tarnished that reputation but it's always sad seeing how the PS name is now strictly refers to the PSO era of games (and sometimes PSU) with very little bones thrown towards the original games that started it all. For me that includes them remaking the games or at the very least updating them through a Sega Ages port, but I understand not wanting to beat a dead horse like so many other series from the same era. It just sucks that even those series at least will acknowledge/pay respects to the original games that started the series while Sega's hard press to bring it up most the time it feels, especially when the series PSO and after is a very different vibe compared to the originals though they're still sci-fi jrpgs.
>>6361024
Old games did this a lot, though I'm not exactly sure why. At least it's not like the western cover.
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>>6361061
I agree, being able to see Rolf emote is nice but at least the first one didn't have such unappealing art direction. It was nice to see them do small nods to the text adventures at least, like how pic related mentions Kain's old pc from his text game.

>>6361075
I liked the faces Alis made in the 1 remake.

In what can only be good timing, GTV just released a PSIII retrospective for the game's 30th anniversary, just like they did for PS and PSII.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-9uSzMkXKs

>>6361426
Dang, it's legitimately hard to believe that PSIII is now 30 years old, I remember watching the other videos he made thinking it'd be a while but this is sooner than I was expecting. Thanks anon.

>>6359698
>I'll ruthlessly steal these
That's fine, enjoy them.
>>6360487
>twitch shill
Wow, cancer!
>>6359698
>never really bothered with PS1
You should; it's pretty much the sole reason I bought a Master System (which costs about as much as a power base converter anyway nowadays). 1 and 4 are the best (though I really like II once I get through the grind).

>>6360695
So you're saying remake Phantasy Star III.

>>6361747
Pretty much, yeah. I don't believe I was unclear.

>>6361763
Alright, I 100% agree with you, just checking.
Is there a good place to source all the PS III lore? Because I'm too stupid to know it & would appreciate some help or search queries to try. The little bit I do know leaves me fascinated and wanting more.

>>6361770
There's a good bit of info floating around https://segaretro.org/File:Phantasy_Star_III_Toyo_Ozaki_Official_Charbook_JP_Book.pdf

I found this after a quick google but it's not translated

>>6361773
>not translated
Damn shame.
Still, thanks for the advice. I know a smattering of japanese so I'll use it for kanji practice I suppose.

>>6361763
Where is this page from? I don't remember it being in Phantasy Star 3 Toyo Ozaki Official Character Book.

>>6361770
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>>6361776
>not translated
Not sure if you missed this and/or didn't know but this has been up for years now: http://www.sceneryrecalled.com/trans/ps3char.htm
Granted it says partial but it's better than nothing at all. It's has lots of character info and defintely contributed a lot to why I like PSIII as much as I do now. I wish they were able to keep the original JP names in the localization bc things like Laya's daughter being named Laia seems to imply more that the "Laya" name itself might be a title, but that might just be me theorizing too much. It's unofficial in Sega's eyes but its as good as canon to me since it's the character designer. PScave also has translations for some of the comics in it too. I was able to actually buy this in great condition for a steal and I'm very glad to have it, even if my moon isn't the best.

>>6361838
Neath. Thanks man. That's helpful stuff.

>>6361838
>It's unofficial in Sega's eyes
Not that Sega gives a damn about PS3 anyway. Did they ever acknowledge PS3's legacy in some way (not counting it being included in all Mega Drive compilations)? I remember only Rhys's costume in PSO2.

>>6361852
There's remixes in pso ep 2

>>6361852
It was sort of directly acknowledged in PS4 so it's still considered "canon" in that regard.

>>6361839
Np, I hope you come to appreciate it more at least.
>>6361852
You're right, I'm not sure why I bothered mentioning its unofficial status when Sega barely cares for it. I've never heard the remixes that >>6361915 mentions actually but ironically they passively/indirectly acknowledge it with both rappies and CASTs being series staples when they both were introduced in PSIII. And while ironically they never announced a remake for PSIII, there were references made to it in the PSII remake iirc. The most recent acknowledgement of the game was in the Sega Ages port of Columns 2 where you can unlock pic related if that counts, but it's acknowledgements are few and far in between.

>>6361959
Mieu is good girl. A theoretical remake needs to have a Miue option at the end so you can repay her for several lifetimes of protection with her own happiness.

>>6361959
I love Mieu and Wren accompanying heroes of every generation so much. Gives you a real sense of time passing by, people and their allegiance changing, but those two will always be with you no matter what.

>>6361968
It would have been really interesting to explore the political angle more. Enemies in one generation becoming allies in another as well as vice versa.

>>6361967
That would be a nice remake bonus for sure; it's been years since I first saw pic related but this reminded me of it. It reminds me too of how even though you can't marry at the end of the third generations, the protag all still have 2 girls they could also theoretically marry too in either Laya or Princess/Warrior Kara. Gwen's the odd one out since she takes on Laya's role in her bros route, though there's art of her in a wedding dress too...
>>6361968
Same. While I like all the other protag a lot, Mieu and Wren both best represent the game since they're the only ones who never leave once they join til the end of the game. Mieu's gets more attention since she's the cute android girl but I'm fond of Wren a lot too though I like all the PS androids a lot.
>>6361980
There a lot of potential that PSIII didn't even get to tap an 1/8th into properly in its game and as happy I am to be able to discuss it with people it makes me all the sadder that it can't even get a remake that realizes half of that. I don't think the game not side material really mentioned either if the orakio vs layan conflict softened as the protags ended up marrying layans did it?

>>6352931
4 is the best, 1 is great. The rest are shit.
Vampirebats are the coolest monsters!
Turn into a F1 tyre and spin your face off!

>>6361819
Google says it's from Phantasy Star All Volume 8 (a doujin).

http://gazetadealgol.com.br/diversos/livros/doujinshi-psall_v8

>>6361773
Those old SEGA books are authentic treasure troves of classic game manga.

segaretro alone hosts like 6 different Langrisser I manga. I didn't even know there was one, let alone 6.
If something like Langrisser got that much attention, imagine the more popular franchises.

>>6362206
I wish someone would find and scan issue of SPEC with the second chapter of Third. We have scans of first and third chapters, but not the second one.
Too bad this manga wasn't concluded.

>>6362016
>the rest are shit
Spoken like a man of poor taste.

>>6359681
I love how it kicks you in the teeth from the get-go with complex mazelike multi-floor dungeons. No holding your hand gently with a linear squiggly line with one optional side path or anything like that, they toss you into the deep end of the pool and if you don't swim too bad. No auto-map either you've got to memorize it or bust out the graph paper, deal with it. I've heard someone say that PS2s first dungeons feel like endgame dungeons in other games and that is so true. It makes me sad thinking about what has become of JRPGs, so linear and easy that gameplay is effectively pointless, if you watch a youtube playthrough you basically get the exact same experience.

blond or brunette alis?

>>6363051
There's only one correct choice.

>>6363080
Forgot about the bizarre GG game

>>6363051
I never much liked blonds

>>6363051
>>6363080
You're both wrong.
>>6361094
She's really cute. Glad that everyone's designs in PS1's remake at least are solid.

>>6359523
it reminds me Moebius

>>6363197
Considering how much of an influence and work he'd do for Panzer Dragoon I wouldn't be shocked if there's a huge number of fans at Sega back then

>>6361460
It's one day younger than Fire Emblem 1 and somehow ended up with a bunch of characters that resemble Fire Emblem 4 cast.

>>6362225
Was that manga an original idea for PS4?
>>6363084
Gaiden felt super weird. Some people theorized it was supposed to be a midquel between original PS1 and that initial PS2 idea about green haired Lutz and time traveling but the fact that Gaiden was released several years after actual PS2 makes it much less likely.

>>6363230
It really does. I wonder if you could even trick some people into thinking that PSIII characters are FE ones. It's ironic how much I hear people ask if Rolf is Marth when they see a picture of him with in reality it's that Marth looks like Rolf.

>>6363283
Here is probably the most bizarre Rolf one. Mind that Marth didn't even look like modern Marth until FE3. Maybe someone at IS liked Phantasy Star.

>>6363197
You're completely right.
I'd forgotten.

Anyone know where I could get a print of this, actually? A "no questions asked" poster printer? Or maybe a scan from some larger print than the game box?

https://anonfile.com/F6Ma53s7o5/ps2_001_cover_spine_only_jpg
That's a jpeg of the full resolution btw. The one I uploaded here before was at 25%.

>>6362206
>segaretro alone hosts like 6 different Langrisser I manga

Where?

>>6364730
https://segaretro.org/index.php?title=File:DengekiMD_JP_01.pdf&page=51

https://segaretro.org/index.php?title=File:DengekiMD_JP_03.pdf&page=67

https://segaretro.org/index.php?title=File:DengekiMD_JP_04.pdf&page=79

https://segaretro.org/index.php?title=File:MarukatuMD_JP_01.pdf&page=51

https://segaretro.org/index.php?title=File:MarukatuMD_JP_02.pdf&page=51

>>6363156
I think there's a romhack that gives her the RIGHT hair color.

>>6361735
4 bells tolled, 4 torches were lit

>>6365531
You trying to get me to finish the opening?

Come watch a playthrough of Phantasy Star II with a virtual streamer!

https://www.twitch.tv/hyperrobotenguris

>>6363314
I wouldn't be surprised since Ken Sumigori likes PS too. Still a shame that most will still think this is Marth. Also a shame that it seems all SPEC issues that haven't been scanned are lost to time.

I just finished a replay of PSII a few minutes ago
I like the first game more but II is still pretty cool

>>6366638
I'm sure they'll show up on YAJ if someone waits long enough.

>>6366741
I can only take so much II in a single sitting before I have to switch to another game or otherwise take a break.
I agree it's good, but god damn is it exhausting.

I just started PSG1 and, honestly, it isn't as awful as everyone says. Overworld sure looks like something slapped together in RPG Maker and I have no idea why did they make it so that you have talk to each and every NPC several times in a specific order to proceed, but those added dialogue lines aren't half bad and help greatly in fleshing out characters. I especially like that Alisa actually feels like a young girl who was suddenly burdened with the need to regicide and has no idea about the surrounding world and what's going on outside of her city.
Certainly wouldn't recommend it for the first-timers, though.

>>6367076
I feel like Alys is more stereotypically feminine with respect to attitudes in PSG1 compared to the original game, where she basically… was portrayed as more competent/sure of herself.
Not that that's a good thing or a bad thing (and I definitely don't want to turn it into a feminism argument), but she definitely seemed more self-assured in the original for better or worse.

Reminder that Demi's a cute. Cute!!

>>6367091
Not that anon but Alis's lack of dialogue (along with everyone elses) certainly did push the idea of a confident/motivated girl. It's interesting how much you think people like feminist would praise the game and try to bring up as much as possible but its barely ever acknowledge for even that much. That's not a complaint though, I much more enjoy speaking to the few fans I can find of it who seriously enjoy the old games as opposed to younger new fans who only care for the "strong female protag" and that's it.

>>6367176
IDK if I'd call her a feminist, but I do know a woman IRL who grew up playing this game. She said it was one of the only games she played where she saw people like her.
The blogposting kind of feminist is likely too young to remember such games and not interested enough to start digging for old gems. The general public youth today doesn't know Phantasy Star, or might remember Phantasy Star Online on Dreamcast/Gamecube, in my experience.

> That's not a complaint though, I much more enjoy speaking to the few fans I can find of it who seriously enjoy the old games as opposed to younger new fans who only care for the "strong female protag" and that's it.
I'm 23 (1996 birth) so maybe I count as a younger fan of the series. I still grew up playing mostly older games though - at the time, they were cheaper than new games/consoles, for one thing, and I've always liked to know how things work and older computers/consoles are easier to figure out. I also had the good fortune to (completely at random) somehow never buy anything other than RPG's when choosing a used game cartridge. Even the harry potter game I got for GBC turned out to be a JRPG-style game when I got home. Pokémon G/S/C developed a love of chiptunes in me, and that pretty much sealed my fate. To date my newest console's a Wii.

I pretty much bought an SMS just for Phantasy Star and Ys, after first playing a bit of PS IV and realizing how awesome it was. I wanted to start at the beginning and then work my way back up to 4 so I could enjoy it more.
I got it (the game) in a trade where I S-Video modded someone's genesis and I got a copy in return.

That's the same artist as the pics I've been posting btw. Demi a cute, too.

>>6367286
P.S.
If you want some kind of evidence that I like the games for more than 'muh feminism' reasons, I'm the one who posted these:
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Playing 1 on Switch right now. The automap is godsend for people like me whose sense of direction sucks but loves dungeons anyway.

I do have my questions if I should use the AGES mode or not, it doesn't make the game easier, it just reduces time grinding but still feels off.

>>6367303
Man, no one doubts you. Those covers are pretty good.

>>6367317
I just always worry about getting the 'zoom zoom' treatment on here a bit too much. Seems that's really gotten a lot more prevalent since 2017 or so.

>>6367314
Play it on an SMS with graphing paper.
It's the only true way.

>>6367329
I fucking knew that post would attract a purist or two.

>>6367314
Play it however you like and feel the most comfortable.

>>6367286
>>6367303
As another anon said, no one doubts you/needs proof. You being in the thread happily talking about the old games without focusing on whatever feminist elements it has is proof enough, though learning those scans and covers is pretty cool. My comment towards younger fans was mainly at gen Z kids who seem the most concerned about that to me but you reminded me that I'd also be considered a young fan too at a year older than you, sorry. I grew up with mostly with older games too as you did, but through the various emulator + rom packs my dad had downloaded before we lost internet for many years after. I probably seem more zoom zoom for that even though it was during the early-mid 2000s but it's hard imagining who I'd be now without them since they were a large part of my childhood. I still need to get to owning and playing them on their original consoles though; I keep looking for and buying/collecting things like >>6361773 in the meanwhile.

I'm really glad for artists like this one who still draw fanart for the old games though. This artist even includes the PSIII cast which is always good in my book.
>>6367314
I agree that it did feel off playing but that just depends on how much time you'd like to put into it. I'd at least recommend playing with 2x walking speed no matter which way you play, I appreciated that the most.

>>6367414
Yeah, well according to some definitions gen Z starts in 1995 or 1996. That's what I was getting at.
Anyway, thanks for the support I guess.

Cute picture is cute. I stole it.

>>6367414
>>6367293
>>6367176
>>6367091
>>6365612
>>6365504
>>6363283
>>6361838
>>6360647
Sega needs to bring Iskun/Iseken on board for a Phantasy Star remaster/remake (especially one for III), I feel that's going to be the only way we avoid shit like

>>6361054
>>6361075
this

Have Alis & Nero's parents ever canonically been explained? Everything I can find is fan fiction or has no source.

The governor says the king was her father. So either Lassic is her father, or the previous king was and a prince and princess somehow wind up as orphans in a port town with no memory. Or translation error I suppose.

>>6368695
Google "Aures Landale". Most of her backstory is told in the Phantasy Star Compendium.

>>6352931
I've been interested in PS for a while, now that there's a thread I guess I gotta ask. Which one do I start with? I have a Genesis Mini so I can play em all because I ASSUME at least the main ones were Genesis exclusive. Though I'm not that experienced with RPGs so idk if PS is a right fit for me yet.

>>6368749
4 is an utterly fantastic and easy to get into game. Once you taste that the others will be a difficulty.
1 is fantastic for its time, but gets brutally difficult. It's worth trying and just getting into through.
2 is a nightmare. The dungeons quickly turn into frustration and sadness.
3 is easy peasy and isn't good, but it has it's own charm for an incomplete / rushed game.

4 is king through. It's a dream RPG. Play with the others knowing their weaknesses. Play 4 because you love yourself and want to have a good time.

>>6368787
So, from what I'm getting, play 4 and go from there? Interesting. Does 4 have any ports with their own differences and such? I wanna know the ideal way to play and all.

>>6368905
I've played 4 probably 2 dozen times. I love Final Fantasy 6, but only did it once and couldn't ass myself to do it again. In my opinion, it's that polished.
As to how to play it, just emulate it via KFusion emulator or something. It comes out great.

>>6368905
If you're going to play all 4 do it in order. Or at least try and if you feel like the game isn't right for you watch a plot summary on YouTube before trying the next one.

>>6368591
Please. PSIII designs are already pretty solid and full of cute girls, all it needs at most is some small adjustments to look less FE-like. Personally though I don't mind that they aren't as sci-fi as they could be though since the setting is on a spaceship that forgot it was a spaceship to begin with, much more that they probably have less material to make those things with as time went on. >>6368695
As another anon said, it was explained in the compendium. I currently forget if it was also explained in other sources too but there's definitely info on it that isn't FanFiction. Does anyone know if the remake tried to address that more in game?
>>6368905
Play 4 first I guess since you're just curious about and that is the best out of all of them. If you really enjoy it and want to learn more about the games setting then go back and play the others in order of release but be aware it might feel harder to play. However, if you think you'd be able to stick to playing them all in order alright then I'd suggest that too. All the games can be played just fine without playing the other but they all build upon one another with 4 feeling like a wonderful love letter to the series as it finale.

The best port for 1 is the Sega Ages port on Switch while if you can get your hands on either the Japanese PS collection for saturn or PS2 I think those are the recommended ways to play too since they also have the option to play in English and have additional settings to help smoothen out the gameplay. Otherwise just pick your emulator and play it on your pc.

>>6368787
2 is fine with maps.
Get maps. I printed them out for my run.
Sega gave everyone who bought the game a complete set of maps, too.
https://fantasyanime.com/phantasystar2/maps
>>6368905
>ports
Not really, but it's fine. The MD game is great.
I kind of am hopping between playing 2 and 4. 2 for a while, and when I get frustrated/tired of it I switch to 4 and can go for hours.
>with 4 feeling like a wonderful love letter to the series as it finale.
Couldn't have said it better myself.

>>6369450
Guess it forgot I tried to upload a picture.

>>6369453
maybe should have spoiled that picture, just noticed.

Let's say there were a remake of the original Phantasy Star on a comparable scale to the FF7 Remake sometime during the next console generation: What would make it great, what would make it shit?

>>6369478
>what would make it shit
* remaking it in anything other than pixel art 2D.
* Not just making it the same game with a larger color palette.

>>6369478
>What would make it good:
-3D dungeons still in tact with maybe a 3rd person view along with first person
-A little more variety for weapons/armor/healing items
-More lore they couldn't/didn't out in included and expanded on
-More party interactions since everyone mainly only speaks to Alis once and that's it
>what would make it sux
-Alis and crew looking like PSO2 characters, or even it being made with PSO2 assets at all
-adding romance, even if it's subtle flirting
-adding long drawn out cutscenes
-adding new oc characters to the party (some argue that Hapsby would be an acceptable party member if they did though)
-making the dungeons/game play in general more linear
-playing up Alis's role as a strong female protagonist in the worst way to appeal to feminist and the like
-playing up Alis's role as a female protagonist by making her too emotional since she's a girl

There's obviously a LOT of bad they can do and even though the thought of a pretty 3D ps like ff7 remake is tempting, if it's not just an upgraded PSIV or even doesn't take from how octopath traveler kept its 2d art in a 3d world then I think it already would be considered bad by many old fans.

>>6368695
>or the previous king was
This is correct.
> a prince and princess somehow wind up as orphans in a port town with no memory.
Dunno where you're getting the amnesia idea from, there is nothing to imply that.

>>6369478
>what would make it shit?
Changing it in any way. Just make a new bloody game. Remaking a good game is a waste of effort and talent that could be spent on something new. Like, instead of making PS1 again, why not make something that PS1 fans will love but has all new worlds and dunegon layouts? That would be actually worth buying over just busting out the Master System classic again.

>>6369478
>What would make it great,
Not making it with the same attitude of the FF7 remake

I like ps1 the best. The first person dungeon were really cool

>>6369857
Upgrading the graphics to something you'd expect on the Mega Drive (just using the larger palette for additional depth, not adding details that weren't originally there) would be the only acceptable change for me. Like Mario All-Stars but with even less liberties taken.

>>6369865
I mean, that'd be the bare minimum. The thing a group of fans could put together if they had the drive.

I'd expect a little more effort from an entity like Sega.

>>6369925
I'd rather them not fuck up their beloved titles from when they were still more relevant, thanks.

In this case, less IS more.

I always forget how killer this boss music is.
One of my all-time favorite Mega Drive/Genesis chiptunes.

>>6369478
Keep expanded story and dialogues from PSG1.
Add more PSIV-like manga-style cutscenes.
Add PSIV-like vehicle combat with vehicle-specific enemies.
Add more interactions with native Motavians and Dezolians.
Maybe add side-quests that party can receive in cities and villages. But only if those quests help expand setting and let you learn more about daily life in Algo, not fetch quests.
Allow players to switch between original FM soundtrack, american SMS soundtrack, PSG1 soundtrack and new soundtrack composed for remake.
Do not bring PSO/PSU/PSO2 aesthetics.
Do not ovrdesign characters, enemies or surroundings.
Totally never allow a person who designed PSG2 characters to touch anything PS-related ever again.

>>6370167
vehicle combat is easily one of the weakest things in the IV for me.
The other things actually sound acceptable; I always want more story. Just wish more games could manage to have both story and gameplay simultaneously.
American SMS soundtrack is also the Japanese MK. III w/o FM module soundtrack, by the way.
>do not bring PSO/PSU aesthetics
Good idea. It could be hard to find someone who will use the original art styles still, though. It's like trying to find people who still draw manga like they did in the 90's/80's.
>Never allow a person who designed PSG2 characters to touch anything PS-related ever again.
Amen.
Ideally Kodama would be involved (I think that's probably a good idea, anyway - not been paying attention recently though)

>>6366638
>fake scanline filters
yuck.

>>6369478
Give Odin higher atk and def power and give him special attacks with axes.
Hit all, more damage the less HP he has, that sorta thing.

>>6370273
>Hit all,
That would eliminate the usefulness of guns, though.

>>6370276
Yes, remove the guns.

>>6370182
Not that anon but Kodama would still be down to working on anything PS related, she was involved in the switch port iirc. PS2/4's character designer is still around top and still even doodles the characters at times so he can easily be the artist for 1(though wasn't Kodama also the artist for?).

Another recent picture by PS2/4 designer I'm surprised I missed. His Twitter is @yoshibon_club if anyone else is interested. He still cares for the old games a lot but I guess that's to be expected since he was heavily involved with them.

>>6370302
Kodama was the artist for the first game at the very least, yes.
Awesome pictures. Saved.

Don't mind this, just some fat birbs.
Finally on track to finish Phantasy Star IV, after an embarassingly long time stuck on Lashiec (five years).
Had to replay it and remember "oh shit, the psycho wand removes buffs." Then it was simple enough.

>>6370182
>vehicle combat is easily one of the weakest things in the IV for me.
Well, yes, but I think there are ways to make it better. It was very weird in other games when you ride a vehicle, but still fight normal battles like you are outside of it.

>>6370421
I'd just ditch vehicle combat and focus on more interesting things.

>>6366638
That reminds me,new PSO2 anime began with MC waking up after having sepia-colored dream/nightmare.

>>6361054
Maybe not remaking 3 and 4 was the best choice after all...pic related.

But I'm curious, does reviving Nei in Gen2 have some major impact in the story?

>>6370621
Nah. Last I heard it kind of glitches or something. I might be wrong about the glitching, but the game isn't set up for that possibility.

Also Nei sweetie >>>>>>>>>>> malaria >>>>>>>>>>>>AIDS >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fallout 76 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twilight movies > Aerith bitch

>>6369478
>remake of PS1
>comparable to FF7remake

I'd settle for a remake that tries to be comparable to PSIV... or a new game that gets the Sonic Mania treatment.

>>6369478
>on a comparable scale to the FF7 """""Remake"""""
PS got several sequels, what's your point?

>>6370740
No, it is not a glitch and resurrecting Nei is a programmed feature, but process to do it is autistic and not worth it in the long run.
a) you must complete PSG1 and start PSG2 using clear PSG1 save;
b) complete PSG2 normally;
c) start new game using clear PSG2 save;
d) you must talk to every NPC in every city before you go to Climatrol to fight Neifirst. Keep in mind that many NPCs change their lines after you progress in story. So after each dungeon, after you get new character in your party, you must visit every town and talk to every NPC all over again. Sometimes several times in a row because they may have a different line the second time you talk to them. Missed one line or haven’t talked to everyone? Well, tough luck, start the game all over again if you want to save Nei.
So, you did all the aforementioned things and saved Nei? Congratulations, she doesn’t have new weapons, doesn’t affect story and the best thing you get from it is satisfaction of having Nei in your party and a picture of her in the ending when everyone is fighting Earthlings.

>>6369213
>Please. PSIII designs are already pretty solid and full of cute girls, all it needs at most is some small adjustments to look less FE-like.
Nah, make it more like FE. In fact, hire Hidari for character art.

4 > 1 > 3 > 2 for me, thx

>>6370438
yea but then you miss out on the awesome battle music

Just upgrade the graphics to PC-98 tier pixel art

>>6371154
>she doesn’t have new weapons

She does (it's called the Animal Claw, iirc), but for some reason a lot of english FAQs fail to mention it.
And that's not all, there are tons of little quests and secrets exclusive to this version that I wouldn't even be aware of if I didn't use a JP walkthrough when I played the game years ago.
A small number of said quests are only there for the sole purpose of character development.

>>6371154
And you know this because your dad worked for Nintendo?

>>6371175
Sounds about right to me.

>>6370740
>>6371312
I think you're misunderstanding something, anon.
They are talking talking about the Playstation 2 remake, Phantasy Star Generation 2, not the Genesis version. There's a quest to revive Nei.

>>6371310
Well, color me surprised, I didn't know that. I think I'll try PSG2 once I finish PSG1. Though I don't think I'll have enough patience for two playthroughs of PS2.
Can you share Japanese walkthrough you used?

>they never played Phantasy Star Deluxe on their fliphones back in high school

>>6370438
Eh, they weren't perfect but at the time they were actually kind of exciting. First time you get jumped by a massive sandworm that would have sent you running on foot was all kinds of hype especially with that kicking soundtrack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EePSzUEJJLk

Thoughts on Rappy's bimbofication /vr/?

>>6371416
Rappy 1 is a Gregor
Rappy 2 is Nintendo
Rappy 3 is a bowel movement from a bad bowl of expired chili

>>6371416
Get that weak shit outta here.

>>6371167
The original artist for PSIII is still very interested in the game so I'd rather them try to get her back first, though Hidari is a good second choice too. As long as they don't get the artist who drew for Langrisser's and YU-NO's remakes. I don't agree with it looking even more FE though, especially since outside of designs the game is nothing like FE to begin with.
>>6371306
It'd be nice if they combined this with PSIV's manga styled cutscenes.
>>6371416
1 is that ugly but fluffy like it should be, 2 tries too hard to be realistic, and 3 is the cute moe redesign that lacks SOUL.

>>6371809
>It'd be nice if they combined this with PSIV's manga styled cutscenes.

How about some nice Lunar EB style pixel art

>>6371416
2 is also around

>>6371845
I wrote a highly autistic fanfic when I was a kid where Xenobia from Lunar 1 invades PS4's Motavia and attacks Chaz and Rika on their wedding day cuz Rika's singing was very good and Xenobia thought there might be a chance that she could be Althena.
Yeah.
Also, now that I think of it, Chaz is a literal pedophile.

>>6372072
She's a very mature 1

>>6370916
>or a new game that gets the Sonic Mania treatment.
Now we're talking.

>>6372072
>>6372090
Reminder that Rika was Literally made for breeding and one of the most recent ideas that PS2/4's character designer had for a new classic PS game also involved the fact that Numan's are overpopulating planets.

Speaking of, here's a link to scans of the book it was said in: https://mega.nz/folder/K2ZBBQ7Z#dpNrovveFPYUDV_gb6SLgA
Many thanks to both the anon who scanned and shared it years ago along with the JP fan who worked hard to both get interviews with original staff members for it AND make an english translation as well.

>>6372112
Was Chaz in any way related to Alis like Rolf?

>>6372170
No

>>6372170
Impossible to know, he's got that standard orphen backstory.

>>6372170
Yes

>>6372170
Not that I know of. PSIV's main cast is supposed to represent each game in the series with Chaz representing 4 (Rune being a Lutz stand in for 1, Rika representing Nei/Numans from PS2, Wren representing 3 by being a similar model as PSIII's Wren) so it wouldn't make sense either for him to be related to her in the end. There's no info on Chaz's senpai history outside of him being an orphan like the previous anon said.

Just realized I should have posted the other of these since there's ones for Nei, Mieu, and Rika (rip PS1).

>>6372486

>>6372486
>>6372489

Kyra a cute!

>>6372492
I had just past by this picture too when looking for the others.

I miss the old Phantasy Star games bros

>>6372529
We all do. But we cherish good times and emotions we had playing them for the first time.

>>6372529
Better to die with dignity

>>6372534
>>6372536
It just hurts that there's not anything out there that fully captures the original game charms. Not to mention that the games continue to largely be overlooked, but I guess that makes it me cherish them even more. I'm glad that PSO/U are their own things instead of being sequels and what not the the originals.

>>6371416
>PIKACHU'D

>SMS Power! is poised to release an official update to their PS1 retranslation any day now

neat

>>6372757
>Adding "cheats" to a game that didn't need them is neat, now
>>6371276
Eh, the music is pretty forgettable compared to lots of other tracks in the game.
>>6372740
Cute in its own way.

I just now realized, Phantasy Star is one of the ONLY science-fiction-heavy RPG's I actually like. Probably because it does keep so many fantasy elements to it.

>>6372757
>>6372814
Double walk speed seems pretty nifty and doesn't make the game easier or anything just more convenient. Would be nice if more options were given to customize your own hard mode, like enemies having twice as much health and damage, etc.

>>6372835
yeah but you don't walk unbearably slowly in the first game, and things are close together.
II needed all of those settings much more than the first game.

>>6372757
Basically, they are adding features from Switch port to the original version with improved translation? That's nice.

>>6372858
seems pointless.

I want Alys to bully me...

>>6372861
I've played PS1, like, five times and when I decide to play it again I'll definitely choose version that allows me to gain more while having less random encounters because I play those game for their unique atmosphere and not because I like fighting every two or three steps.
Anyway, no one forces you to use those options, you can still play original version.

>>6372872
>I want to play the game but I don't want to actually play it

>Anyway, no one forces you to use those options

No but Im still gonna call it dumb.

>>6372869
She'll do it for the right price.

This is somewhat random, but what you said reminded me of an old song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_W67hc6HgQ

>>6372872
It trivializes the achievement of beating them to even have it as an option, and makes being able to say "I beat it" less impressive.
If you just want atmosphere, play a visual novel.

>>6372876
since I realize I forgot to say it explicitly, I'll add: "it also devalues the work that people put in to beat it legitimately, since bystanders won't know if they used the cheaty options or not.

>>6352931
Fuck that

4 is best game
2 is for true hardcore Chads
1 is purely a historical curiosity and the start of the series
3 is dog shit

>>6372910
>fuck that
>historical curiosity
fuck YOU.
PS1 has quite possibly the most soul.

>>6372874
>>6372876
>>6372880

That is some hardcore gatekeeping and arrogance. Why do you even care how other people play games?

>>6372936
Why do major league athletes care that other athletes use steroids?
Dumb bitch.

>>6372920
Nah it kind of sucks, good at the time though I was never a huge fan of it or any of the old rpgs that had first person dungeon crawling at the time myself either, at least on consoles.

>>6372938
Not him, but those athletes are competing, often with each other, for a trophy, $$$ and/or notoriety. Johnny Q Liquor playing PS2 in his underoos ain't competing with nobody and the only prize he'll get are good boy points for staying out of mommy's hair for an hour or two
Dumb bitch.

>>6372972
Someone's never played an MMO before.

>>6372975
It's just like that. Things that used to take time and effort suddenly become easy, devaluing the harder work everyone before them put in.

Let me give you something else to be pissy about.

>>6373549
Actually, that only bothers me a little bit by comparison, because I always thought it was odd that it more wasn't consistent.

At least it's a lot better than the Breath of Fire II retranslation, in any case – where the autist:
>Made all the menus ugly as sin
>…And spoiled several characters in the game in the process, including optional characters you can miss
>Ruined the title screen
>Made an alternate version that mostly restores the title screen, but then has his own credits title card come up _as the music starts but before the old intro does_ so that the timing on the crescendo in the music no longer is in time with the graphics appearing on the screen
>_Then_ to top it off added a checksum verification program that makes sure it's harder than it has to be to hack the hack and fix his lack of sense of aesthetic, under the disguise of helping determine if you programmed your EPROMs wrong or not. This scan takes around two or three minutes (though only on the first run, mercifully).

>>6373573
(the menu background spoils the entire cast of playable characters)

>>6373549
All those cheats/mods are entirely optional, there's nothing to be pissy about.

I can't get the PS2 versions working on my modded PS2. Am I doing something wrong?

>>6373708
>Am I doing something wrong?

I'd say. But to answer your question with another question: what exactly ARE you doing? Did you burn them to disc or are you using some other solution to play them?

Keep in mind it is known that Generation: 2 crashes after winning a battle on real hardware if you get an item drop. I think we're still waiting on a fix for that.

>>6373708
Are you burning it on CD or DVD? Because it is a CD-based game. I wasted several DVDs on PSG1 before realising my mistake.

>>6373718
>crashes on real hardware
strike, that... apparently there's a beta 2.7 version of the PSG:2 patch that fixes that bug and includes all kinds of other tweaks.

>>6373789
>beta 2.7 version of the PSG:2 patch
got a link?

>Phantasy Star Gaiden
>Phantasy Star Adventure

Should I? Already played 1/2/3/4.

>>6373876
https://mega.nz/#!Ec5jRIiK!a3OfJ6PFtHXzZ6m3ZrQPljUlCGPDttKQ9vojnkYyvGk

>>6373956
>Phantasy Star Adventure
I only played a little bit of this one. If you enjoyed those PSII text adventures you might get something out of it. I just really like the art they made for it. PS kino.

All this Generation talk is getting me pumped...but right now I don't have access to a laptop.
I don't suppose there's a decent way I can emulate the PS2 remakes on my phone?

>>6372936
>That is some hardcore gatekeeping and arrogance. Why do you even care how other people play games?

We don't but if you're gonna come in and brag about how you cheesed the game don't act shocked when people who beat it the real way call you a pussy.

>>6363084
>panty peek

Based sega

Whats a good price for a master system copy of PS1?

I own ps2 and ps4 and i want to add 1 to my collection

Im in europe

>>6373964
Not him but I bought and finished the SEGA AGES Switch port, but it wasn't my first time playing it. Beat the vanilla ages ago. Really don't see the difference in playing with or without those particular cheats. All you're doing is saving time from not having to grind, backtracking, etc.

>>6373962
Takashi Akaishizawa is cool

He did Arrow Flash and Psycho World art

>>6372936
>hardcore gatekeeping and arrogance
Where do you think we are?

>>6373991
The key difference is that you acknowledge you're beating different versions of the game. You're not playing the original and acting like you beat it when you had to bring in outside help. If you say I beat the ages port or the switch port nobody is gonna think you're saying anything other than that.

Sean best boi

Did anyone actually beat PSII with hugh, josh, or shir in their team?

>>6374216
IIRC, my choices in alphabetic order are Amy, Anna and Rudo.

>>6374216
I feel like Shir has potential (dat agility), but I always end up with Rolf/Rudo/Amy/Anna.

>>6374216
Yah I put as many women as possible in my party

>>6374216
Not the first time.

Probably not the second time, either. A select few monopolizing all the good gear really colors your choices.

Any bros can jp? Going to try and buy this fanbook on PS1 with staff interviews made in 2018 even though I still can barely read any moon.

>>6374168
Also based tasted,even if he's inbred since his parents are second cousins.

>>6374835
>blonde Alis
but why

>>6374856
>parents are second cousins
Look at his face. He KNOWS he was born from sin.

>>6373573
Oh yes, is that the romhack that thought it was appropriate to stick a Dragonforce song on the title screen? Good god, what an abomination of a hack.

>>6373956
Only if you're a completist fan. Gaiden isn't good at all, I'll tell you that.

>>6371416
Fuck anything in the series after 4. The art became so fucking gay looking in the online series. They should get level 5 to make a PS5.

>>6374835
Are you talking about this book?
https://e-hentai.org/g/1475326/66c2f11664/
If so, interview part is already scanned. Would be great if someone scans cosplay part of this book.

>>6361959
>>6372486
>>6372489

>>6375007
PSO Environmental art was excellent and felt like a perfect 3D version of the world you saw in PSII and IV

>>6374835
>>6375057
If this is the same book, you mind taking a bigger pic of the sugimori artwork of nei?

>>6375103
I agree with you, but those laser barriers and terminals to deactivate them sometimes ruin a really nice sceneries.

>>6375057
>>6375110
I am getting my own copy of that one, but thats not the one I posted. It's pic related which focuses solely on the first game and has staff interviews and some fanart in it. I'll make sure to try and take bigger pics of Sumigori's artwork and related when I can get my own copy, which is up in the air for now since jp post isn't shipping to burgerland anymore.

>>6375374
Wow, I didn't even knew such a book existed. I'd really appreciate it if you post photos of interviews once you get it, I'll translate them.

>>6362363
I mean, when they SAY giant Biolab that has produced all the monsters that roam the land, they MEAN giant Biolab that has produced all the monsters in the land.

I have to say I really like how PSG1 expands lore.

If anyone wants to try it, here's the game genie code to "resurrect" Nei in the original Genesis game:

> AHDS-8AAM

Turn it on after she leaves and she'll pop up in the party select screen. Of course, she'll be dead weight by then.

And here's the same code for Generation 2:

> patch=1,EE,2024777C,extended,00000001

...if you don't want to be arsed to do all this >>6371154

>>6375780
Forgot to add, the Nei code for Generation 2 will enable all Nei-specific quests, so no worries.
Here's the code again in a less troublesome format:

> 3CB3F8A4 1456E7A6

>>6375396
It'll likely be months from now at this rate but I'll make sure to post pics whenever I catch any PS thread in hopes of catching you, thanks. If only JP fans did digital books too.
>>6375756
I always found the implications of Greek mythology existing in PS interesting, though it was never expanded on outside of Medusa and Perseus. Not sure how I feel about there being a goddess named Nei in the remakes though since that was never mentioned elsewhere, though it would explain why the word "Nei" is important/powerful I suppose.

>>6373957
based, thanks.

Which do you prefer: Numans or Androids?

>>6377463
Androids don't age. Eternal bros.
I think Wren could beat Tyson in his prime.

>>6377475
Based. Though numans are nice too. I also agree.Wren is heavy metal and a lot of deadly weapons.

>>6377463
Don't make me choose. Both are great.

This makes the battles faster and make ding-a-ling ring sounds form the meseta.

>>6375281
I think they were trying to reference PSII with those since you had to turn off control panels in the Mota dungeons.

>>6378084
Wait, fucking seriously? No shit?

>>6378084
Post video proof right now

The PS3 Charbook has some amazing artwork by famous artists (even the guy from Bastard!!), but this page made me laugh more than I care to admit.

>>6379146
>>6379298
don't be so gullible

Do the modern PS games like Phantasy Star Online 2 have anything to do with I-IV? Are they in the same world? Or is it like Final Fantasy where it's different each time?

>>6381206
All I know is that Dark Falz and the Profound Darkness are still two of the main threats. That's been true since the first game.

Would a Phantasy Star game work in a tactics style? Like Disgaea or something.

>>6381710
any game with a class/job system can conceivably be turned into a tactics type game. Or any kind of strategy game, really.

We are on chapter (5?) of Phantasy Star II. Come join us.

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>>6381206
>Do the modern PS games like Phantasy Star Online 2 have anything to do with I-IV?

Not really. PSO2 had episode that featured Alisa and Lutz, but it was more of an AU thing.

>>6381206
Nah, lassic continuity ends with PS4. PSO and PS Zero share continuity with each other only, PSU and PS Portable games with each other ony, and PSO2 and PS Nova with each other only. None of these continuities are compatible with each other, though there are the occasional character crossovers that ignore the events of original continuity.

tl;dr No.

>>6383367
>lassic
That was supposed to be 'classic' but it's funny how the typo doesn't really make it inaccurate.

>>6352931
GBA collection

>>6383367
Was that why 0 felt super close to PSO?
Damn

>>6352931
4 > 2 >1 > 3
Also, Alys is the best girl of the franchise

>>6372492
>>6372493
>>6372496
>>6372504
>>6372505
>>6372507
>>6372509
>>6372513
She could get a better skillset. Same with Gryz. It's kinda a downgrade when you get her compared to the based Raja and his awesome skills

>>6372545
This. I don't feel like playing the Onlines. They look so soulless, specially the new one. They ruiend Alis and Lutz

>>6383371
>missing PSIV

Why?

>>6383506
Would you like to go through the same dungeon area 53 times to level grind and get items? It's not 100% Diablo, we promise!

>>6383506
I replayed PSO a couple weeks ago.
Some things are best left in the nostalgia corner of your brain.

>>6353087
2 was a major downgrade from 1. It didn't even have the colorful backgrounds of the first game, and the colors were dull and lifeless. I'm OK with the change in dungeon layout, but the dungeons themselves are poorly done and tedious. The story was OK, but all the party members were 1-dimensional other than Rolf and Nei.

>>6383669
PSIV was too big, it would've required more ROM in the cart and more dev time to redraw all the panels for the GBA'S lower resolution. I wish they would have done it, but I understand why they didn't.

>>6353356
I always got the hard theme because I'm not a pussy and I don't grind.

>>6383482
4 > 1 > 2 (Saturn) > 3 (Saturn)

Alys > Alis > Rika > Nei > Lutz

>>6354213
At least 3 had battle backgrounds

>>6384406
This arrogant bastard is the best magician I've seen in all fiction.

>>6384443
He's the best at dual-wielding shields

>>6384535
>He doesn't uses wands to occasionally hits enemies for shit and giggles and to boost magic
You fucking pleb

>>6383669
>>6384387
more's the pity, though seeing the game truncated to fit probably would have set off my autism unless they pull off some kind of miracle

>>6384608
The fuck do you think this is? Final Fantasy V?
Magic Fortress represent.

>>6385260
Some wands have special effects on hit plus he gets way more powerful. Double shields are for pussies...and Hahn

>>6385275
>Double shields are for pussies...and Hahn

>>6385275
2 points of MTL don't beat being fucking immortal, imo.
But I can understand swapping one Psy Shield for the Psycho Wand late-game.

>>6385328
To be fair, the game is really easy
>>6385316
Well sorry but it's the truth. He does little damage with knife and literally dies all the time, so much you start comparing him to Yamcha from Dragon Ball. But he is still better than Gryz and Kyra

Is there an "essential" romhack for PSIV that I should apply or is the original version still good?

>>6386984
Nothing really essential, but I recommend the bugfix patch for obvious reasons.

http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/4142/

>>6385251
You mean truncated in terms of game content or screen resolution and music? Because the screen resolution could easily be cut down and still legible, but the music would be absolutely ruined by the GBA's shitty audio.

Has it really been 25 years since 4?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgWSkQ2vDLw

>>6384383
>tfw the reason PSII's dungeons are so bad is bc it was the designers first time making dungeons and no one wanted to hurt his feelings by telling him they sucked
Amusing but they really should have. I also think the reason the bgs are what they were in PSII is due to them having to make it in a few months and not having time to include proper ones in the end.The text adventures did really well to flesh out the characters at least.

>>6387713
If another remake is ever attempted I hope they'll choose to incorporate all the info from the text adventures in some way, maybe even adapt them and make them fully playable.

>>6387270
I've never played the GBA ports, I have no idea how well their music comes across. The GBA may be bad at audio but a good programmer should be able to get it to sound close to the originals since it's all done n software. It's really the mandatory low pass filter that ruins it most of the time, from what I've read.

>>6386984
I know nothing of gamehacking but if I did, I would recreate PS2 and PS3 in PS4, complete with combo techs and shit. I was playing an old-ass RPG today, one for Game Gear called Defenders of Oasis and imagining what it would look like with PS4-style cut scenes rather than the poopy ones they have in-game.
A lotta RPGs would be better in PS4-style, don't you think?

>>6387779
>We will never have a classic PS anime
>Only that garbage one from that garbage game
Life sucks

>>6386984
>>6387043
Like the other anon says, the only thing you really need is the bugfix patch. Other patches tweak various things but nothing anyone would call "essential"... like giving Gryz the ability to wield knives, having certain characters learn different techniques to give them more utility in battle, changing certain names and terms to be more consistent with previous games and/or restoring censored content. Most of those other patches include the same bugfixes so the choice is yours, really.

If it's your first time playing PSIV, just go vanilla or Bugfix patch. On replays, feel free to try other patches if you want to experience the game a little differently. Or don't.

>>6387043
Lots of sensible fixes there, but as usual with this sort of patch there are a lot of 'fixes' that are just what some berk prefers with no thought as to the original intent. For instance, it's quite obvious that you are supposed to be able to save on the first screen of the space stations, it's perfectly logical design. Why would you remove that? Or making the first boss immune to status ailments on a whim. Again, it's pretty obviously intentional and sensible design to make the first boss vulnerable to them. Things like this are not 'fixes' and they really ruffle my rappy feathers.

>>6387956
Yes, and it's a shame that PSIV is the only RPG with manga panel cutscenes.

>>6389059
Maybe the only retro RPG (though I'm not sure), but RPGs from Zeboyd Games like Cthulhu Saves The World and Cosmic Star Heroine also use manga panels for cutscenes.

>>6387767
They did that for some of the PS2 remake I know, but I'm not sure how much. I'd still want an other remake of it anyway that includes it more fully.
>>6389059
>>6389114
It's surprising how little PSIV's panel cutscene style was used in other games. I've only found it in indie games so far, being Zeboyd Games games (Especially Cosmic Star Heroine which PS was a direct inspiration for), April was a Fool (free visual novel which it works well with), and 2064: Read Only Memories (also directly inspired by but is very much a sjw game). I understand how that it's easier to just animate set 3D models for a scene but I wish more 2D rpgs made use of it, though companies might still think that's too much work to do when they can just animate sprites running around for their cutscenes instead of spending time drawing out many panels for it.

Who thought it was a good idea to let the Golden Axe team develop an RPG that has nothing to do with Golden Axe?

Name a better 1st person dungeon traversal animation.
Protip: you can't.

>>6394707
Sexy.