/vr/ - Retro Games

They should be. I bought them.

>>6343462
Original Turok is really fun on N64. Never played the remastered version.

>>6343570
Better draw distance, Quake movement speed and mod support

>>6343579
You didn't need to reply nimrod

>>6343487
But did you PLAY them?

>>6343579
Just installed it after remembering I had it in my library. Quake movement speed nothing that motherfucker feels like he's on rocket skates. Much easier to control than I remember with the N64 controller though.

I liked the gameboy color game better.

>>6343462
Yeah they're good. They're definitely the best way to play them in 2020.

>>6343462

the remasters are good. there are a few changes from the originals but nothing too crazy. the biggest change i felt like was that the increased draw distance and movement speed changes the atmosphere of the games from claustrophobic dungeon crawl shooter to something more in line with q3a but they're good games either way. just make sure you turn off whatever hint systems they put in the remasters, that shit is for casuals

First Turok remaster is a blast. It feels like an entirely different game, though, as you blast around at a million miles per hour. I got bored of Turok 2 after a few levels just like I did on the N64 version.

>>6344019

how does turok 2 filter people so often?

>>6344490
Lair of the Blind Ones

>>6344019
The weapons though. Using a saw frisbee as a weapon is reason enough for me to love Turok 2.

I bought Turok on the N64 a few years ago and it's the only game to give me motion sickness.

The PC versons of Turok 1&2 are the definitive versions. Runs at 60fps, tons of graphic options, can switch between the PC and N64 soundtracks, and modern controls (plus Mouse and Keyboard support!). IIRC, the fog is turned off and draw distance is extended, but you can turn those on if you want to relive the original experience, but at 60fps.

Xbox One is good too. Switch is a bit compromised but still runs fine. The engine can't really run at full speed on Switch in Portable mode IIRC.

>>6344582
Night Dive also added some Quality of Life stuff to 2 like objective markers on screen and on the map. The original didn't have that but you can turn it off if you want to go it blind like the n64 original.

>>6343462
Yes and you're going to think I'm bullshitting, but the easiest way to beat the game is using the knife. Only use ranged weapons, (preferably the Tek bow) when you need to hit a ranged enemy that you cannot reach.

*filters casuals like its a day job*

heh....nothin personell

>>6344587
It's not really bullshit. The knife seems to do a fuckload of damage, at least to human enemies

>>6343462
Unarguably better than playing on N64.

Take what Rich is saying and apply it to games. Turok needed a facelift, they gave it one by giving it better controls and draw distance. It's still the same game, but fine-tuned.

>>6343462
FYI: Turok(PC) is free with Twitch Prime right now.

>>6345408
Do those come with Steam codes, or to you own it within some kind of Twitch DRM?

>>6344582
>>6343579
Turok without the fog sounds so fucking lame. That was the entire game then, I soaked that shit up. Some games need bad draw distance, and this game with its jungle ambiance is one of them

OP here. Enjoying it a great deal so far, though I turned the difficulty up to hard to counteract the faster movement.
Only real complaint I have so far is how there are so many blue portals but like 3 or 4 platforming challange areas per level so half the time you enter a portal and see you've been here already.

>>6345437
I think that anon is wrong, at least for Turok 1. The fog's still there for me.

What's the deal with the Turok sequels beyond 2? Are they even made by the same team?
I always see people talk about the first two, while not even giving a mention to Rage Wars and 3.

>>6345426
Honestly dont know. I havent used the shit yet. Probably a key though.

>>6345437
>Turok without the fog sounds so fucking lame. That was the entire game then, I soaked that shit up. Some games need bad draw distance, and this game with its jungle ambiance is one of them
You understand. :)

I've beaten both games on the PC. The remasters overall are great, but I can't recommend the second one in particular because it suffers from 'wherethefuckdoIgo' syndrome.

The levels are a maze, far too huge and messy so you will get lost constantly. The map system is horrendous as well, its just a wire frame that's no help whatsoever. Why wasn't a working map included in the 'remaster' as well?

>>6345437
>>6346123
Right. I'm not going to say it's ruined without it, but it kind of misses the whole point. You are are not supposed to see ahead all the way.

>muh bug is actually a feature
Throughout history technical limitations have given outstanding gameplay and innovations. I can see why it might not be to everyone's taste, but this is a real life situation that occurs all the time in jungles - you need your wits about you or you will get lost, confused and surprised by enemies. Finally, the fog is really not as bad as it's memed, the foggiest screenshots are always the ones that get posted.

>>6345928

basically just a quality drop. rage wars was kinda neat but got overshadowed during its time by goldeneye & perfect dark. the rest of the sequels are just trash.

>>6346135

>i got filtered by T2: the post

literally just pay attention to where you're going its not that hard

>>6343462
you can find it in the OP of the doom thread

Turok has probably the best atmosphere and colors in an N64 game. It's simply amazing for its time.

>>6343462
Turok is an okay game, plays too much like some sort of Crash Bandicoot type thing. Kinda cool concept, but Unreal and Quake II (from the same time period) are much more playable.

>>6349056
>Quake
BROWN GAME GOOD

>>6349062
Ngl, Quake does look too brown, but it looks damn good if you're using a Voodoo card.

>>6349056

unreal is shit. quake 2 is good, but turok 1 and 2 are both more fun to play

>>6349073
I'm still surprised at how many Quake rendering options there are. Didn't the original run at 320x200 like DOOM?
Also, since you mentioned Quake on a Voodoo card, what about Turok on Voodoo? I've got several period-appropriate Windows machines and I'm curious if the Glide rendering adds anything special that the modern ports don't quite capture.

>>6349036

turok's aesthetic and tone are unparalleled for its time. the designs and the music together are just so fucking good

>>6349197

>>6349205

>>6349197
That level is one of my favorites. Those voodoo warriors would sneak up and jump scare me, and the head priest firing magic at you was just so cinematic for lack of better words. It really blew me away. The game delivered, friend.
Super memorable bosses too. And yeah, that music, those drums just got you pumped up and put in the mood to be traversing through a hot misty jungle inhabited by bloodthirsty natives, mercs, and actual dinosaurs.

I love the game so much I got good enough to no-death it back in the day.

>>6349212

>>6349223

>>6349223

Turok 3 will always have a large place in my heart. I was maybe 8 years old when it came out and me and my neighbour played it a ton. It felt really immersive compared to the earlier installments. The way the game begins in a city setting with people talking to you was something we had never seen in a game before. I still remember the scene where the bum peeks at you from a manhole and gets dragged off screaming, and you soon find his corpse being eaten by a four legged freak.

Good times.

>>6349240

it's undoubtedly the worst of the original 3 but its not a bad game by any means

>>6344490
Spiders in my case.
I went in expecting Dino Crisis meet classic Doom but what I've got was just fucking spiders.

>>6344506
My guess is he got that ass clapped by the Purlin

>>6343462
I have both and they're great. Turok 1 is one of my all time fave FPS games. Its a lot of fun in its simplicity. Turok 2 is objectively better but the stages are immense and very easy to get lost in.

If you like FPS games than you'll enjoy them.

>>6343462
>Are the remastered ports good?

Yes. and I'm looking forward to 3 and Rage Wars.

>>6345928

3 is a Half-life rip-off and it shows. I love it and found it more fun than Half-life, but you gotta accept the urban setting and lack of jungles.

Rage Wars is great multiplayer. A PC version is going to be a blast.

>>6349036
>>6349197

Turok reminds me of Metroid Prime a lot.

>>6349485
Those will be harder since they didn't have native PC versions, which 1 and 2 were based off of.

>>6349509
IIRC Retro Studios consisted of many former Iguana developers, so the resemblance should be expected.

>>6349509
>Turok reminds me of Metroid Prime a lot.
That game is comfy, and I don't even like Metroid all that much except for the first game (that I cheated at all the time no less).

>>6349509
I wish Evolution reminded me at all of Metroid. Fuck that goddamn lizard bird.

>>6345426
>>6345957
it's amazon's own installer I believe. said something along those lines when I claimed it but still haven't tried

>>6343591
What's your deal, asshat.

>>6346135
How the fuck can people get lost in the fucking remastered levels?
They're as linear as fucking CoD.

>>6351870
You don't have a radio buddy screaming directions in your ear while a giant arrow points to where you have to run. Shit's confusing.

>>6351870
Did they chnage the levels in the remasters or something?

>>6351881
Yes, the underwater area of LOTBO is streamlined and the final thermal vent isn't hidden anymore.

N64 (the thermal vent path is hidden behind a rock):
https://youtu.be/6WIB8mKxBb0?t=46

Remaster (the area is now a secret:
https://youtu.be/Y9T6PWt2j2E?t=1166

>>6351936

thats kinda lame but at least now maybe more scrubs will actually make it past LOTBO

you can always tell when someone has been filtered by LOTBO and quit because they complain about that level specifically..... little do they know the level immediately after it is much, much harder

>>6345437
There is an option to have N64 fog, I think...

>>6351936
Thanks for telling me, considered buying the remasters as I never played the original games but I guess I'll pass.

>>6346135
The automap is fine and the arrow effectively doubles as a reticle

>>6351870
Are there any changes to the first game
Either way you are overblowing this to high hell since a game that still requires you to dig around its levels to find keys necessary for progression cannot be called linear as COD

>>6353114
The 1st level had one of the keys made more obvious.
The 4th level had a reworked area made more visible instead of being hidden behind a cliff.
The 6th level had a completely reworked level to make both a key and the rest of the level on the same path instead of being two different areas.

That's all the big changes I can remember.

>>6352841
The remasters are still good, I'd say they're harder than the original since everything will hurt you a lot if you try to tank it like in the original.

>>6352483
Not everyone should be able to beat every game.

>>6353462
I paid for it, I deserve to win

How fucking stupid do you have to be to get lost in a video game? Just pick a direction, left or right, hug the wall and stick with that direction. Congratulations you will never get lost, you may wind up going in a circle occasionally but you will be able to recognize that fairly quickly.

It turns out this is actually the preferred method of escaping mazes:
https://www.naturalnavigator.com/news/2015/11/how-to-find-your-way-out-of-a-maze-or-labyrinth/
It really is that easy. Now with this knoweldge you can play any classic FPS your heart desires without resorting to whining like a zoomer that was raised on CoD and refers to anything that requires thought or effort as "bad game design".

>>6353509
is this not common knowledge? I've been doing the pick a side trick since I was a kid

>>6353470

>>6352494
Extended draw off

Extended draw on

>>6345437
Oh be quiet. There's 3 jungle levels in the game and only one of them was designed to have fog for atmosphere (Treetop Village).

>>6355609

source?

>>6353815
Soul
>>6353819
Soulless

>>6343462

it's an ok game. i remember thinking it wasn't as good as doom. There's some annoying platforming in it which is dumb in a fps. It's also FOGGGGGGGGYYYYYYY. So much fucking fog in this game you can see like 20 feet ahead of you at all times that's it. There's a part in a later level where you come to a village and there's so much fog I couldn't find my way around. Got that "where do I go" vibe for an hour then I shut it off and never played it again.

>>6345437

the fog was excessive.

>>6355763
OLD GOOD NEW BAD
Try to be a little more creative and original in your posts son, I'd like to think that we're all adults on this site.

>>6346150

there's nothing innovative or outstanding about turok. It was a subpar fps, but it was the only fps on N64 for a while until Doom64 came out so we all played it.

>>6349197

Bruh, i was playing games in this time and Turok was not impressive. Maybe you were a consol only kid, but this game was kinda silly compared to PC games at the time. Hexen and Quake 2 came out the same year and both of those games were way better.

>>6355778
Turok has that surrealistic infinite teleportation maze aesthetic and if you take the whole series it has some amazing weapon and level designs.

When I was a kid I just could not stop finding new hidden shit and that was such a good time

>>6355774
You honestly think that the fog doesn't add mystery and thus heighten the mood? I pity you.

>>6349036
I seriously loved this crazy shadow tower shit the game pulled

thank god brutalist polygonal architecture hasn't totally died out in modern games

>>6355778
Turok didn't really do anything new but what it did do it did very well. It's the best example of a good FPS specifically made for consoles. Giving it PC controls and changing nothing else proves that it's good enough to stand alongside the giants of the genre.

>>6355784

hexen and quake 2 are dogshit compared to this game you tasteless faggot

>Nightdive won't remaster Turok 3
>That faggot who made raw mouse input+kb hacks for Goldeneye, Nightfire, and Perfect Dark won't make on for Turok 3
I hate life.

>>6355976
But why

>>6355976

turok 3 is not that good anon just let it go

>>6355976
Funny you say that.
https://www.turokforums.com/index.php?topic=743.0

>>6353819
SOULESS TRASH

>>6355796
I think maybe halfway between >>6353815 and >>6353819 would be ideal. Or if the fog could be less opaque. It's a bit excessive in the default settings.

>>6344969
the problem is that remaking bad movies and games tends to mean less certain sales
roi is a big deal

>>6355763
go back to /v/

>>6343462
the PC version is locked at 60 fps and is tied to the game speed; i have a 144 Hz monitor, so i refunded that shit immediately

>>6358110
My comment was extremely /vr/, anon.

>>6357434
The default of the pc remaster seems to be in between. In its options there is no "extended draw", just a slider that seems to go from 60 to 120 and its at 79 by default.

>>6358960

>>6358960
The slider is for the field of view, completely different thing.

>>6355976
You know, Project64 DOES allow you to tie analog controls to mouse movement, allowing you to have mouselook on any N64 game. No, it's not smooth and takes some getting used to, but it works, and it's better than controllers. Personally, I played Turok 3, Rage Wars, Quake 1 and 2, and Armorines with it.

>>6359286
Oh, I played The World Is Not Enough, too

>>6343462
they are great. just pirate them

>>6344490
The last few levels they clearly ran out of time because they become so insanely linear and small corridor simulators.

Level 1: gigantic, open and expansive sprawling level
2: open but bottlenecks at parts
3: smaller again but more vertical
4: oh god. No. Please no. Everythings cramped and every cave and tunnel is copy pasted. And the levels fucking huge. And you WILL get lost. Everyone hates this level. Everyone wants this level to just end already.
5: mostly small cramped corridors with insectoid aliens
6: mostly small cramped corridors with brute aliens

It's a shame really. 5 and 6 have such a cool theme and aesthetic but it just progressively seemed to get more restrictive and cramped as you progressed through the game.

>>6344969
Pic doesn't really apply to remasters.

Remaster is like taking a busted old VHS copy of Ghostbusters and giving you a spanking new Blu-ray version

>>6345437
You can keep the fog on, anon.

Just finished it. Its really really good all in all, the levels felt big and lived in, pacing was also well done. Combat was fun, even if im not sure why the shockwave gun and the alien weapon were so useless.
The final two bosses were sorta underpowered, the T-rex didnt even scratch me and i nuked the campaigner with the Chronoscepter, but I guess that is the intended way to kill him since you are spending the entire game building that weapon up.

My verdict is that its leagues better than Quake 1 and can stand by the good build engine titles without shame.Onwards to the second one.

>>6358979
>>6359104
Oh, so its in gameplay settings and not in graphics. In hindsight that makes sense but having checked it, it was turned off by default in the pirated GoG version I have.

>>6359549
>Everythings cramped and every cave and tunnel is copy pasted
Near the end of Lair it gets really cool. Large, expansive caverns, lava fields, and those crystals everywhere. If the whole map was like that instead of the last ~20% it would be up there with Port / River.

>>6352483
I remember when I was wee lad I got stuck on hive of the mantids, specifically the giant computer had a barrier around it and couldn't progress. Either there was a generator that I missed or the game was bugged.

Turok series in a nutshell
1: Quake meets Super Mario 64
2: Goldeneye meets Ocarina of Time
3: Half Life clone
Rage Wars: arena shooter, UT/Quake 3 style
Evolution: most broken game I have ever played, the Gamecube version is somewhat acceptable, but the PS2 version is horrible, and the PC version is an absolute disaster
2008: Cawadooty dudebro shooter with dinosaurs, has nothing to do with Turok other than the title

>>6361463

>Goldeneye meets Ocarina of Time

lol WUT

All you remasterfag kiddies complaining about Lair of the Blind Ones, you know nothing, the version of the level you played was actually SIMPLIFIED from the original N64 version. It had many dead-ends created with sole purpose of getting the player lost, as in, "fuck you whoever is playing this, now spend the next week figuring out where to go or get filtered, faggot".

The original N64 version also didn't have babby shit like objective markers or ability to save and load anywhere. It also ran at like 12 fps (and you think 30 is unplayable). Imagine you dealing with all of this shit.

>>6361497
I don't have to imagine because I did that shit since the day Turok 2 released. The remaster is better in every way and the level is still annoying.

>>6361497

i played through turok 2 on n64 on hard mode without auto-aim. the shit was brutal and bordering on survival horror. at times it would be 2-3 HOURS of gameplay in between save points. blind ones is bad but hive is worse.

>>6361497
I'm fine with that, identical UNDERWATER mazes can go take a hike with adolf hitler.

>>6361463
>the PC version is an absolute disaster
It was also Europe exclusive. I wonder if they used an unfinished build as the base for the PC version. What do you think about Escape from Lost Valley?

>>6361610
Not him but Escape from Lost Valley is a fun little game. A game based on the old comics was a neat idea.

>>6353509
nobody gets lost because they can't recognize their surroundings you fucking retard, they get lost because they can't find the way to proceed. humping a wall like a big faggot to backtrack isn't going to fucking help with that is it?

>>6361497
I used the auto map function of the game when I was a kid and never got lost. If the map wasn't drawn then I haven't explored that area. It may not have been ideal but having the map on screen really helps.

>>6361623
>nobody gets lost because they can't recognize their surroundings
>they get lost because they can't recognize their surroundings
Anon you are of big dumb dumb.

I wish Nightdive would do Turok 3 and Rage Wars.

As for the OP, yes the remasters are amazing, the game plays just as you remembered it played back in the day, which is not the case if you actually played the originals.

Hows the Switch version
Tell me its good

>>6345426
You need the Twitch program for installing, but most of them don't have DRM and don't need it running to play.

>>6343462
The thing I hated the most from the N64 version was the flashing blue screen when you grabbed those triangle tokens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOVpcC8GwXM

>>6364183
No, buy them on pc.