/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6346081
Did better than the FM Towns Marty

>>6346096
>FM Towns Marty
Weren't those just consolized computers? And anyway, the PC-FX's failure is especially interesting given how well the PC Engine held its own in Japan.

>>6346081
I love when people, supposedly familiar with Japan and its gaming scene, label all visual novels as 'dating simulators'. (Claiming the PC Engine to be 'the system of loser otaku' couldn't be further from the truth, either.)

>>6346130
Visual novels of any kind were hardly the thing the PC-FX needed especially given the competition. And I'm just reiterating what I saw in a Japanese gaming magazine.

>>6346134
A Japanese gaming magazine shitting its own audience in the face? Sounds legit.

You're right about the competition, though. Honestly, as much as I'm a fan of NEC, I wonder what were they thinking when they designed this thing without any kind of 3D acceleration.

>>6346147
I'm convinced that they either thought 3D wouldn't take off, or more likely, that they could carve out a niche for themselves in the way that they did with the PC Engine. The problem for them was that 2D games immediately became seen as dated once the PS1/N64/Saturn era started so there was no niche to fill anymore.

>>6346081
Hah bro just put some shmups on it. just do it baka~

Visual novels are for people too retarded to read actual books. If you're retarded at least be dignified enough to watch tv or movies instead.

>>6346147
He's not lying, console war shitposting existed before image boards were a thing

>>6346419
And Nintendo to round it all up

>>6346192
Completely false. The Saturn, however, absolutely destroys this system at 2d graphics. So does the Playstation, for that matter.

>>6346081
>>It'll totally help us shake our image of the PC Engine being the system of loser otaku too
as evidenced by sales numbers, that was the mega drive. pc engine was for poor people. stupid white piggu.

>>6346419
What do you want me to say? Game is life.

>>6346225
Someone needs to play Monmusu Quest sometime.
Seriously; that H-game has more philosophy in it than 90% of TV and there's it'd be hard to get the impact in a 1-2 hour movie.
>>6346147
You could ask the same question of Commodore with the later Amigas. They probably just didn't think it was worthwhile.

>>6346532
Why do you people keep treating H-game, dating sim and visual novel as synonymous? All three are completely different things.
An H-game or eroge is a game with erotic content, it can be of any genre.
A dating sim is a simulation game focusing on interhuman interaction.
A visual novel is a specific style of adventure game with text overlaid over the graphics.

>>6346594
Probably because there's only one kind of creature that plays them. You're like someone with a shit fetish getting bent out of shape because someone didn't know exactly which types of shit fetish you're into.

>>6346439
Saturn did poorly because it only did 2D, and Sony kept anything 2D off Playstation the best it could to the point of not allowing a cartoon intro for Crash Bandicoot.

>>6346419
>>6346420
Somehow, I'm not surprised by the outcome at all.

>>6346594
The same reason people say 'anime games' or 'manga games'. Plus the fact they cannot comprehend there's more to digital storytelling than the (mostly awful) point-and-click adventure games they grew up with.

>>6346756
<insert your favorite genre> is shit and for retarded faggots because I say so. (Never mind the fact that I understand nothing about them, I'm still right. Always.)

>>6346419
Me on the left.

>>6346130
You're right, it was the system of the shmup shovelware.

>>6347578
Now that's more like it.

>>6346764
>Sony kept anything 2D off Playstation the best it could to the point of not allowing a cartoon intro for Crash Bandicoot.
That was mostly on Bernie "kill your console" Stolar.

>>6346764
That was American Sony. Japanese PS1 has plenty of 2D games.
Of the PC-FX games, PS1 had:
-Sotsugyou 2
-RETURN TO ZORK
-Angelique
-Doukyuusei 2
-BLUE BREAKER
-Fushigi no Kuni no Angelique
-Farland Story
-Angelique Special 2
-Fire Woman Matoigumi
-Boundary Gate
-Dragon Knight 4
-Zoku Hatsukoi Monogatari
-Albarea no Otome
-Wakusei Kougekitai Little Cats
-Sotsugyou R
-First Kiss Story

>>6346419
what magazine are these from?

>>6346764
It did poorly because it had an awful library. Despite what people on this board say, no one cared about Panzer Dragoon or Nights.

>>6346419
Why is Sega guy wearing a hat with the Apple logo? Or is it supposed to be Adidas?

>>6346594
By "you people", I presume you mean those who bathe?

>>6347094
I'm not the anon you were copesplaining to. I know plenty about the genres. I'm just telling you how the rest of the world sees your fetishes.

>>6348019
'rest of the world' = you

And we get it, don't worry. Playing 'games' where most of the gameplay involves reading must seem like an arcane art to you.

>>6348039
>all that weeb cope
lol

>>6346081
>only 2 games with actual gameplay
What were they thinking? people who are into titty games all played on PC98, so why bother with censored visual novel/dating games on that thing? At least on PC98 you get nipples and shit. NEC were stupid and just lucked out with the PCE.

>>6346130
>label all visual novels as 'dating simulators'.
Very much this, a friend of mine, long-ass-time self-styled "fan of Japan" (doesn't like the "otaku" word, given its generally negative connotation in Japan) and after all these years he also uses these terms interchangeably.

-Hey dude, I'm playing Snatcher, a VN by Hideo Kojima, that guy of Metal Gear fame.
-Do you date girls there? Any optional routes?
-Uhh... no, it's a Visual Novel with you playing the role of a investigator in a cyberpunk setting.
-So an adventure game then?
-Nope.

Cue the hours-long argument about what VN is and isn't.

>>6348592
Snatcher is technically an adventure game. Visual Novel as a term only exists since 1996 and only became popular in the West last decade because people here didn't understand how you could call a game without gameplay an "adventure game".

>>6348592
>things that never happened

>>6348579
They definitely lucked out.

>>6346081
I better get one then.

>>6347957
The Sega guy looks like an Ameriboo, I guess it makes sense because Sega consoles had more American-centric sports games and stuff

>>6347759
I'm not sure, some anon had posted them here previously in a thread about old school console wars

>>6348579
They realized their mistake and allowed Cocktailsoft to show nipples.

>>6346081
What's its best games?

>>6346419
>>6346420
so...
pc engine = smelly shut in coomer otaku
mega drive = swag fag scene kid
super famicom = turbo normie

>>6346102
PCFX failed by aggressively focusing on the parts that made PCE get any sales at all. They over focused and lost the extra consumers interest that always help put more varied games on the console.
No games = no buy
no buy = no games

>>6349249
It's rooted much deeper than that. Sega (SErvice GAmes) was originally an American company.

>>6350967
>aggressively focusing on the parts that made PCE get any sales at all
So wait, it actually was otaku playing eroge that sold PC Engines?

>>6352496
After the SFC came out.
PCE was the first system with licensed eroge.

>>6352558
Real shame considering its power. Could have had some good shit on it if people didn't just want to coom.

>>6352558
Also, is this seriously just an ad advertising waifus on the PC Engine? What games are these?

>>6347846
I was around back then. This wasn't the problem. People like those games. Those two in particular even were the main covers on some magazines. The problem was the games the console WASN'T geting. It missed out on all kinds of third-party shit because it was an awful mess to develop for and Sony could just bribe everyone anyway.

>>6352725
They are advertising that you can find a girl of your liking on the DUO.
Xak
Fray
Yamato
Ranma
PC Genjin
Dragon Knight 2
Tengai Makyou
Space Fantasy Zone
Macross
Cobra
Nadia
Ys I + II
Monster Maker
Moonlight Lady
Legend of Heroes
Aurora Quest
Cosmic Fantasy
Tower of Druaga
Snatcher
Silent Möbius
Galaxy Fräulein Yuna
Lodoss
Devil Hunter Yohko

>>6346102
FM Towns Marty = pure consoled craftsmanship

>>6347570
>>6348542
>>6349717
>cringe

>>6349249
He also sounds like one
>むこうのジェネシスのソフトも楽しいよん
Though they also seem to be into Euro Amiga ports like Mega-Lo Mania.

>Before Master Chief and Shantae
Forgotten mascots..

>>6346081
CVIV: Harmony of Dissonance homebrew on PC-FX?

>>6346081
>It'll totally help us shake our image of the PC Engine being the system of loser otaku too
That's the exactly demographic they wanted. Otaku are known if nothing else for spending disgusting amounts of money on their hobbies.

>>6347578
They not shovelware, foolish faggot

>>6352872
Are female Otaku doll collectors?

>>6348626
>didn't understand how you could call a game without gameplay an "adventure game".
I think it's more to do with people being convinced that point-and-click adventure games are the only kind, and that changing the interface makes it a completely different genre.

>>6346192
They thought that, while 2D games were nearly perfected, 3D games weren't ready for prime time yet, and that they should wait until technology improved.

In their defense, most 5th gen games aged like fucking milk.

>>6352890
They didn't really offer much in terms of 2D.
They could gone run high resolution and the like.
The only feature the PC-FX offered that PS1 or Saturn lacked was the motion JPEG.

>>6346764
Saturn did poorly because

1. Surprise launch royally pissed off retailers, including important ones like Walmart.
2. Hardware was designed by crackheads and only maverick programmers could handle it.
3. SoA downplaying its strength by only wanting 3D games on hardware that did not like 3D.
4. The creation and abandonment of the 32X right before its launch greatly diminishing consumer confidence in Sega hardware.

It did much better in Japan because of good advertising and lots of great arcade conversions, most important one being Virtua Fighter at launch being a huge killer app.

>>6352910
And because it appealed to the otaku crowd just like the PCE had done.

>>6352878
Most of them sure as fuck are. I'm not saying it doesn't have good games, just that it has too many crappy shmups.

>>6353510
Not to me.

>>6352808
what and where?

>>6346081
No Waifu. No Life

>>6354960
PC-FX homebrew community are almost nonexistent. Rarest behind retrospective.

>>6346764
The Saturn was very popular in Japan and still is.

>>6355269
Wrote N64 difference?

>>6352801
Ike is my mascot

>>6352738
It's less that Sony bribed people and more that Yamauchi wore out Nintendo's good graces with its long time allies.

But, yeah. It didn't matter if "Experimental Game 1 and 2" were successful with the competition was coming out with mega hit after mega hit. Nintendo got Pokémon and Sony had the JRPG Boom at the same time that SEGA was needing at LEAST a big Sonic release.

>>6352801
>Shantae
>mascot

Maybe for eBay resellers. It was a nothing game that was the 5th to last GBC release.

>>6346225
Video games are for people too retarded to read actual books. If you're retarded at least be dignified enough to watch tv or movies instead.

>>6355423
This. Nintendo was really hostile to third party developers souring many of them.

>>6355620