/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6342771
>Any other games that CRT just does notably better?
Uh, retro games designed to work on those displays, which is all of them?

>>6342771
IMO the older the better! Glad you joined our little cult anon!

Don't worry about >>6342780 . It's a fun cult, not the suicidey kind.

>>6342771
I always liked original punchout on a CRT.

the bright blue or the green boxing ring creates a glowy sectioned off area on screen that really pops.

also DEFINITELY try out super metroid. the sharper your crt the better the better (like a trinitron) but that game looks like fine art on a CRT

Basically all games that were designed for 480p or lower look better on CRTs. I find 3D games especially have such better illusion of depth on a CRT vs. a flat screen. It really feels 3D instead of looking at a 3D image on a 2D screen.

Good modern monitors like low latency oleds or ones with strobing backlights can give you as good an experience as a CRT when properly configured but it's important to have seen the games played on CRT with your own eyes to have a standard to go by.

As for your question, check out Silent Hill. Dem blacks.

If you're using any input other than RGB or Component, check out some Genesis / Saturn games that use software transparencies like the waterfalls in Sonic, or games that use heavy dithering like Silent Hill on the PSX.

Hell, play Sonic Mania on it if you have the hardware to plug your PC into the CRT. There's a mod you can download that forces the game to run at a 4:3 aspect ratio. Playing it on a CRT with a Saturn controller is like entering an alternate timeline where the Saturn was a viable console.

>>6342771
I like the lighting too. I love the grey color instead of black.

>>6342875
>Good modern monitors like low latency oleds or ones with strobing backlights can give you as good an experience as a CRT
They're a nice step up from LCD, but I disagree. Great for other purposes though

>>6342896
>the hardware to plug your PC into the CRT.
What hardware do you use for this? I'm interested.

>>6342945
I bought this around five years ago off eBay. It's a very basic VGA > YPbPr transcriber (ignore the colours, I didn't have any red, blue, or green RCA cables when I bought it).

The way it works is that in my PC, I have an R9 270x plugged into my secondary GPU slot, and a DVI > VGA adapter plugged into that to get it to the transcriber, and then to the TV. I also have to use third party drivers, crt_emudriver, to be able to set 240p resolutions. On Windows 7, I could set it to whatever I wanted like 320x240 or 256x224, but you can only set super resolutions (2560x240) on Windows 10 which limits what emulators you can use.

>>6342961
Imagine forgetting to post a picture, how embarassing

>>6342875
>Good modern monitors like low latency oleds or ones with strobing backlights can give you as good an experience as a CRT
Nah.

>>6342771
Obvious false flag troll is obvious. No LCDfag would ever risk destroying their delusion by actually tasting the grapes to see if they're actually sour, let alone admit it if they did.
On the off chance this isn't a troll, every single N64 game will look miles better due to they way it fucks with the output specifically to help it look better on CRTs. Other than that most things will just look "different". Of course you can also now experience the wonder of real light guns. The difference between those and wagglecope is night and day. Also, you'll have to get used to not having all that lag. It will take some time to adjust, especially with shit that has timing critical moves like fightan games.

>>6342780
Can't agree with that. I honestly feel 2600 shit looks great, even better, on an LCD. It's a bunch of big colored blocks. Why would I want those filled will small black lines?

>>6342875
>shitposting while intoxicated

>>6343016
Im not a troll, this is a picture of my home setup, not some shit I found online.

I used to play Melee/Project M competitively so i already owned a CRT, i just never bothered setting up anything to play games on it since emulating it and running it on my monitor is just easier.

Right now I'm using a homebrewed Wii and just USBloading games off it. I dont think theres any difference in input lag compared to my monitor but it does look a lot better. From my smash experience Ive seen monitors have equal input lag to CRTs even off AV-HDMI inputs but you have to know what youre looking for and the right converters.

>>6342961
Does it go the other way around too? My main issue is that my nicest CRT screens are PC monitors. I would really love to get my SNES to somehow output to my Sun GDM-5010PT, because it's a gorgeous fucking monitor and my 20" Panasonic television/VCR combo kind of sucks in comparison.

>>6343047
One more to get the flag in the picture.

>>6343049
It goes the other way but it's really fucking expensive the last time I checked, and I'm not even sure what hardware there is for it anymore since the Framemeister XRGB3 has been out of production since forever and was around $500 five years ago.

>>6342932
>>6342978
>>6343016
Is fun to act superior using something you pulled out of your neighbor's trash and everything. I have lots of CRTs myself but the truth is that finally flat panel technology is getting on par with what CRTs were doing thirty years ago and in some limited ways on some displays, exceeding it. It's still important to have CRT to use as reference though and in many applications it's still more logical to use CRT - but we're beginning to see clear indications that eventually technology will progress beyond them and they'll really only be good for novelty or period authenticity.

>>6343167
>writing all that to basically say nothing.
No matter what you think CRTs will always be the best way to play retro games. You can call it what you want - novelty, authenticity, nostalgia, but you know it's the truth. Modern flat panels can have excellent colors, contrast, black levels etc. but they will never be a curved cathode ray tube and they will never have scanlines. So suck it!!

>>6342969
hate to be one of those people, but jesus christ that dust are you okay anon?

>>6343282
100% fine, I just have it placed in an area that's really hard to get to when it comes to dusting and cleaning since it's something I just had to plug in once five years ago and forget about.

>>6342771
I always hear you fags posting about this display vs this display. Yet none of you ever talk about calibration of any. You faggots disgust me. Not all CRT TVs are good. In fact, many are garbage. Get some goddamn standards.

>>6342961
Honestly you people laugh at toilet paper hoarders, but you really dont have enough toilet paper yourselves. The average person uses 1 roll per day. If you have a family of 4, that's 28 rolls a week. Over 100 a month. TP rolls will be worth their weight in gold in a few months, because everyone needs it.

>>6342961
>I bought this around five years ago off eBay. It's a very basic VGA > YPbPr transcriber (ignore the colours, I didn't have any red, blue, or green RCA cables when I bought it).
Man you don't know how fucking bad that can trip people up

>>6343167
Sadly, no
>>6343219
Sadly, yes

>>6343167
>I have lots of CRTs myself but the truth is
>Proceeds to repeat lies

>>6343549
>The average person uses 1 roll per day
Do americans really?

>>6343821
>>The average person uses 1 roll per day
>Do americans really?
Haha no

>>6343549
>he doesn't live in the woods and wipe his ass with sticks, leaves, and dried moss

>>6343821
>Do americans really?
Reply to pasta? Evidently not.

>>6343047
Cool. Where did you get that tate mode stand?

>>6343167
>I'm still drinking
>i'm still shitposting
Good for you kiddo. But I do hope you sober up before the thread 404s so you have a chance to see the retarded shit you posted.
You can pontificate about what technology will eventually be all you want but the cold hard fact is that there's a lot of stuff that newer display technology can't do and probably never will do. In fact, the trend is away from working will with old stuff. How many times have you heard someone here complain that their cheap shit TV doesn't have composite? Usually it does and they're just too stupid to find it but eventually that will be the norm. Heard to same about analog tuners. Working with light guns may become technically feasible some time in the future but will never be a standard feature.

>>6344139
>Cool. Where did you get that tate mode stand?
That's a wall mount. I just wanna know where to get that carpet wallpaper

>>6342771
Mum keeps trying to throw out the CRTV in the house.
I was like, "no way".
>When I was 17, and my sister tried to borrow my Megadeth record,
>and I was like: "no way"

CRT fag here. Protip: a 4k oled with high quality shaders is just as good, if not better thanks to the lack of inescapable geometry issues. You get the perfect blacks, you get your color accuracy, 4k shaders can near perfectly emulate slot masks, blur and haloing, and with runahead you're getting just as good if not better input response than a CRT

Congratulations on your literal garbage, OP. A 4k monitor and a shader works better than the vast majority of CRTs.

>>6344182
a crt is free though

>>6344170
Timestamp, with sonic 3 playing on the monitor on the left, ninja gaiden playing on the white one on the right, and the neck of the tube on the floor visibly up your ass in the reflection of one of the small monitors in the middle or you're a false flagging faggot and that pic isnt yours.

>>6344189
The trash at my curb is free too.

>>6344210
Why would I spend over a thousand bucks on an oled display, set up a bunch of emulators to use crt accurate shaders and run-ahead or if I prefer original hardware resort to modding my consoles / getting an upscaler to get a bearable image all when I could just get a crt for free?

>>6344230
Because you're not poor and don't want an ugly, heavy piece of trash usable for one purpose?

>>6344247
>Because you're not poor
I prefer to not waste my money when I have a perfectly good alternative.
>and don't want an ugly, heavy piece of trash usable for one purpose?
What else do you even use a tv for other than playing video games and watching tv?

>>6342771
>Any other games that CRT just does notably better?
Every single game with 240p/480i vertical resolution

>>6344203
"No"

street fighter games and vs games require a CRT IMO because of the instant response, blur and the bloom of the light.

>>6343167
Not that anon.
But oled is missing the crt artfacts, like bloom, the shadowmask and other stuff. We need a CRT simulator for it to be great. Maybe an arduino thing.

>>6344170
Which shader is the best?
I read that the you need a 8k for it to be perfect.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>6344385
CRT Royale, my friend. It takes a pretty beefy rig to run it at 4k but it does a pretty good job.

>>6344395
Use Vulcan renderer in retroarch and look for the CRT royale xm29 preset. It might require a little tinkering with the mask sizes to get the scanlines right but its fucking gold once you get it setup. And yes, you're going to want 4k for the best effect

If I buy a PVM for SNES, I'll need an adapter to SCART and then an adapter to composite, correct? Does this produce lag?

>>6344472
What are you trying to do? If you have an RGB capable SNES then you'll need a scart cable and a scart to bnc converter cable

If you're just trying to hook a composite signal up then you just need the composite cable and one of those bnc to rca adaptor plugs

>>6343049
Buy OSSC clone and cheap-ass RGB Scart cable from Ali.
If audio-buzz is bothering you then just swap wires from generic composite/audio cables.

>>6344143
Is that wallpaper? I thought it was the main part of that cat thing.

>>6344468
I see, but what if I want to play on original hardware?

>>6342771
Basically anything retro. Many games made use of the blurry CRT.

But don't fall for the PVM meme. It's bullshit, and also games which did those CRT tricks won't look the same on PVM, because PVMs are too "clean".

>>6342875
>Something that costs hundreds if not over 1000 dollars, if you finesse it the right way and put in the work, can be just about as good as something you can easily get for free that's plug-n-play

>>6344758
Then you're pathetic because there's nothing wrong with emulation in 2020 unless you're actually autistic

>>6345062
you're pathetic because he didn't even mention emulation before, so again what if I want to play on my original hardware you autistic fuck?

>>6344170
>and with runahead you're getting just as good if not better input response than a CRT
No you're not, for the vast majority of games.

there's a /crt/-general, you know...

>>6344170
>>6344362
Im hard rn

>>6344362
So this is what they call a real gamer, huh.

>>6342969
I have this exact one... but then I got this other one for a second setup. Works exactly the same, all while being a lot cheaper and smaller. Fits perfectly on an IDE slot, so you can actually keep it inside of your PC (you'd have to come up with a custom piece to put it in place. I made one on a 3D printer)

>RGB VGA to YPbPr Component transcoder converter.
>Seller: linuxbot3000

Not sure if there are any on stock. It wasn't when I bought it, but the seller put it back on his store when I messaged him about it.

>>6345074
It means you don't understand technology or games.

Been thinking about picking up a crt
What should I know

>>6345994
They can be heavy. Make sure you have the space. It’s just another display.

>>6345994
Probably nobody irl is going to really care to use it with you so go for a 13-14" one to start with and just set it on your desk. Smaller ones are a bit harder to find with either S-Video (Y/c) or Component (Y/Pb/Pr) and almost impossible to find with both so you may be making a long term decision about if you want to "settle" for very good and much simpler S-Video or if you want to chase that RGB rainbow. Another thing to keep in mind is that Sony Trinitrons (and other manufacturers *-trons) have squarer physical pixels than other consumer CRTs if that's something you feel like you would care about.

>>6346058
>Probably nobody irl is going to really care to use it with you
Why do you like projecting so much?
>go for a 13-14" one to start with and just set it on your desk
Don't do this unless you absolutely don't have the space for something bigger. Video games are more immersive on bigger screens especially 3D games, which are a pain to play on a 13 inch display, trust me. Get as big as a CRT as you can find and transport. Also CRTs are more headache inducing that modern displays so you really don't want to have to sit super close to a small one to see anything.

>>6346181
Many four player arcade cabinets had 21 inch or smaller CRTs in them. There's pretty much no point in 30+ inch CRTs. Who are you going to impress with a 300 pound monstrosity that still has a smaller viewing area than a medium sized HDTV? The experience is the same. If you get headaches from a CRT, especially a consumer CRT displaying 240p you probably shouldn't be using them. I don't know what you think sitting farther away from a larger screen is doing for you.

>>6346205
>Many four player arcade cabinets had 21 inch or smaller CRTs in them
Yeah, and you're standing up with barely a foot between your eyes and the screen. Why are you using this as a justification for recommending 13' CRTs for home use? Also not everything people do is to "impress" others, but I know that's hard for you to grasp. It's impressive how consistently bad the advice you give on here is.

>>6346253
I think that a person considering picking up their first CRT for the experience will have a much easier time pulling the trigger on something that they can pick up with one hand, bring home on the passenger seat of their car, sit right next to their computer or on an end table and move around to find a comfortable arrangement and know that they can just as easily pick up and take to Goodwill or the curb if they find it not to be something they're interested in. If Anon enjoys the CRT experience he can always pick up a bigger one but if he starts with a giant one and doesn't use it enough to justify having it he's got a while pain in the ass over again to get rid of it.

What you're suggesting is the equivalent of going on /ck/ and telling someone who's considering getting into baking that they should start by buying a stand mixer or saying the first step to /diy/ is buying a radial arm saw.

>>6343047
Cute Megumin plush

>>6346296
Blah blah blah shut up namefag
Everyone knows anyways that 27 is the most desirable size for a CRT because almost anyone can move them solo and you'd actually enjoy playing multiplayer or watching shows/movies on it

>>6346296
I thought you were just drunk but now suspect you lost all your CRTs in a freak rape dungeon flood and have now joined team sour grapes

Can I get 480p 60Hz out of a PAL Wii if I connect it via YPbPr cable then into SCART adapter?

>>6343050
that anime shit on the tv is gay

>>6344189
where the fuck are crts free ?

>>6344468
yeah. but retroarch hates any controller other than the xbox 360 and gets pissy when you try to remap per emulator.

>>6347321
People talk about them getting thrown away because they think they still exist to throw away.

>>6347321
>>6347328
On Craigslist. I just checked because of your post, there are 8 free CRT televisions right now.

>>6346779
I hauled the only crt larger than 20 inch I had to my mom's house and stuck it in the TV cabinet she bought just because it was solid oak. Sometimes when I see a 36 inch Trinitron in the warehouse section of the Ohio Thrift on North Cleveland Avenue I briefly contemplate building a giant cocktail cabinet out of it and the 36x72x2 inch piece of tempered glass I've had leaning against a tree in my back yard for years but then I just decide it sounds like to much work.

XM29 shader

>>6347814
Looks excellent, even introduces a very slightly uneven grain into flat colored areas. Do you have an example running at 4k?

>>6347823
Unfortunately, I didn't make that gif (or this one).

>>6347826
This .gif looks way better than the Final Fantasy VIII one

>>6347828
They both look great. Are you viewing them at 1:1 ratio for your display?

>>6347830
I am. I think the reason I like how SotN looks over FF8 is that SotN's spritework is beautiful while FF8's background are just 3D renders at low resolution.

>>6347814
>>6347826
I’ve got a few more anon

>>6347870

>>6347874

>>6347876

>>6347878

>>6347881
Post the Front Mission one. By the way are all these Royale or XM29 or Kurozumi?

>>6347894
xm29 but and CRT Royale derivative is good

>>6347946

>>6347950

>>6347952

>>6347956
that's all I've got

>>6347958
Thanks, anon. Is this where you got your shaders? https://forums.libretro.com/t/analog-shader-pack-version-3-is-here/5493

>>6347986
no, I just use the ones in Retroarch, got to update shaders in the menu

>>6348005
Ah, thanks. crt-royale-xm29plus, I assume?

>>6348025
yes

>>6347986
Royale, Royale Kurozumi, and Royale XM29 are all packed in Retroarch. You will find Royale in /crt and the last 2 in /presets

I like the XM29 preset for some content, especially mixed 3D/2D PSX stuff and some games with digitized sprites. While I understand it's trying to replicate an NEC XM29 monitor and its color profile, my only gripe is that it's a bit too warm for my taste. I recall thinking "well I'll just change some parameters" seeing about 30 different options, and just rolling with the defaults. Still, lots of tweaking possibilities for people who like to dig in to that stuff.
>>6347986
Yeah, look where that other anon said, but remember that there are two /presets directories - one for your created presets and the other for dev created ones. And also ensure you're loading .slang shaders and not the older, deprecated ones. Slang shaders are more or less universal and work with OGL, Vulkan, and D3D11 backends.

>>6348124
I prefer the 320px crt royale svideo for 32bit gen consoles and the 256px composite for all older consoles, but then I really like the flicker it creates

>>6348045
>>6348045
Yeah I didn't think to look in the presets folder until I searched for "xm29" in Windows. Cheers

>>6348156
320px is supposed to be used on consoles that output 320 pixels horizontally (Sega Genesis, PSX, N64) and 256px is supposed to be used on consoles that output 256 pixels horizontally (NES, SNES)

>>6348159
meant to (You) >>6348124 too
And I also find it a little warm

>>6347580
You're getting lazy in your young age

>>6348171
I know, but weirdly some look better with the 256px even if it’s not made for them, maybe it’s because my monitors resolution isn’t high enough