/vr/ - Retro Games

It has too many filler battles tho.

Shining Force had such an epic ending that I was so disappointed part 2 didnt pick up where it left off.

>>6336517
Part 4 when?

>>6336272
I'm pretty fond of them. On the easy side but the cast is cool and it's a different style of Srpg than all the Tactics clones.

>>6336462
The whole point of the game is battles...

>>6336272
imagine you wanted to read a book, but to turn a page you had to press (A) dozens and dozens of times. It would turn, but ever so slowly....

This is the essence of jrpgs.

>>6336272
And how

>>6336272
I am stuck at first one, I like it but the battles are so fucking slow and annoying

>>6336748
Lol the game is 90% battles. If you don't like them you obviously don't like the game.

>>6336517
The sequel to SF1 is SF CD though.

I think part 1 had a better roster of characters than part 2. Seemed more diverse and less clones than 2.

>>6336272
Its a hidden gem for sure. Onebof the best SEGA games

It was nice, but as mentioned before, it is kinda slow in both plot and battle development.
For instance, I know you can turn that tiny turtle creature into a freaking kaiju, but it takes forever to level him up to do so.

>>6336272
absolutely

>>6336687
Man i used to masturbate a lot to her.

>>6337378
big haired blondes were the best

>>6336272
to be fair you need the attitude of a soldier to appreciate a game like this

>>6336272
Battle animations took to long

>>6336687
may is the kind of girl that can get a man attracted to fillies

>>6337083
>hidden gem
>widley recognized as one of the best games for the system

>>6336678
That's only for Squaresoft trash. Other devs are less chatty maybe except Falcom

>>6337430
Because you get three lines and go to a new battlefield?

>>6336667
What I expect he means is there are battles that don't progress the story. You know the battles at the beginning of Parmecia against goblins and witches and shit? Filler. If they weren't there, you wouldn't have missed anything. Shining Force 1, there's always a story reason for the fight. I still love 2, but there's quite a few filler fights.

>>6337378
I am so glad I'm not the only one. May is best girl.

>>6340293
And what I mean is if you need a story beat in between every battle to make it seem worth playing, what you like isn't the actual game. I like SF a good deal but none of them have particularly interesting stories or characters, if you're not playing mostly for the battles I can't see it being a rewarding experience.

Not really. It's a decent baby's first SRPG, but the easy difficulty (thanks to the retarded enemy AI) feels like an overcompensation for difficulty curve of SF1, and the story just feels like it spins its wheels.
>>6337097
Even when promoted Kiwi is fucking useless. By then you'll have leveled up all your other flying characters as well, so even that ability he gains is worthless.

>>6336272
Fuck your racist game, OP.

>>6341094
I always found Kiwi useful, but my strategy through most of SF2 is the split my group into 2, with flyers and high mobility units going around the edges to agro enemies and then having a slower main force slowly move directly for the goal. Kiwi as one of those units was always super helpful.

Considering I know the Genesis nigh-exclusively for Sonic, it had my interest. But I just never got around to playing any Shining Force game for that matter.

>>6341075
It's not need as much as want. I just feel it's a step back from where SF1 was at. Even if it was just a line of dialogue about them being a raiding party or something, I'd have preferred it. I just didn't like the 'random fight' air those first few Parmecia fights had.

>>6342435
Technically it's you meeting demon army scouts/patrols harassing the land. That's why they stop saying anything after the second one.

>>6342675
The witches and gobs make no reference to being in the demon army. You don't start seeing the name demon army bandied about until after Creed.

>>6342698
If I remember correctly you still get witches when you reach Volcanon, being obviously part of the demon army. But nothing is said around May's village?
Guess it's time to do the "Kazin casts Desoul 24:7" once I'm done with DQIII to see it again.

>No Jaha, you shouldn't kiss the princess. She is human, Bowie is human, he should kiss her instead. Don't you agree, Sarah?

>>6342959
Half elves have a shit life, Bowie choosed correctly even if Sarah deserved far more than a heartbreak for carriying the team half the game.

>>6342974
>>6342959
Lol, you can choose Sarah and Bowie will turn back into his original sprite instead of being consumed by holy destiny

>>6336272
Full of soul, the gameplay can be a little meh though.

>>6337349
Unironically top 1 video game betrayals of all time

>>6343118
wait what?

>>6343220
literally just turn around and walk out of the room, and leave the village itself

>>6343395
Fucking liar, the guards tell you to go to the castle
I think

>>6343420
Your party members just wall you off from leaving the castle.

>>6343427
Disregard them, there is a way out without kissing her, you just have to refuse to do it. They're all lying to you, she's fucking fine because you beat up satan already.

>BROKEN TIER
Peter
Karna

>GOD TIER
Bowie
Slate
Sarah

>HIGH TIER
Jaha
Kazin
Gerhalt
May
Eric
Randolf
Tyrin
Sheela
Frayja
Lemon

>MID TIER
Chester
Rick
Chaz
Elric
Rhode
Claude


>LOW TIER
Kiwi
Janet
Zynk
Gyan
Luke
Taya

>SHIT TIER
Higins
Skreech
Jaro

>>6343578
It less surprises me that Higins is in shit tier than that you actually remembered to include him. I have never once used him.

>>6343584
I used him in my first ever run of the game. A run that went catastrophically badly because I was seven and Sarah was still a level 10 priest by the time I was at Zalbard. I got back to Grans Island, got roflstomped in that fight and restarted the game. Oddly enough game is a lot easier when you're not blowing all your money on healing items, your healer is competent and you're not using fucking Higins.

>>6343578
I hate that that stupid bird is so OP

What makes Karna better than e.g. Sarah by the way?

>>6343864
Karna has boost. Raises defense and agility to all friendlies in a large area.

>>6343578
>Taya in low tier
Are you retarded?

>>6343584
Higins is not exactly bad
All gimmick characters like Kiwi and Claude are much worse, both birdmen, Rhodes has high attack like every archer but as a brass gunner he is useless for several battles after he joins thanks to the terrain and his natural movement limitations

People just don't like non-dwarf old men, that's all

>>6336272
Best in the series, so yes.

>>6344125
Idk the debuff version that sarah gets (decelerate?) makes a bigger difference the stronger the enemies are

>>6344354
if anything it should be Sarah and Karna as MVP and Bowie/Slate/Peter right below

>>6344145
Brass gunners are better than snipers

>>6343578
Let's be real familia, ALL the MMNKs are automatically BROKEN TIER, and you know damn well the reason why.
Even Sarah becoming a MMNK makes her busted.

>>6343578
Stupid turtle, I wasted many battles thinking it would pay off.

>>6344373
Are you high? Why the fuck would you make any archer a brass gunner? Decreasing move (which long range units want and need) in exchange for defence (why the fuck are you exposing them to fire?) is not a good trade.

>>6345216
It's funny, because Slade and Kiwi both start out as shitty characters who you're told get significantly improved after promotion, but while Slade actually becomes fucking amazing as a Ninja, kiwi is still just ass.

>>6345737
kiwi actually has great movement great defense and decent attack

>>6346272
Which means fuck all when most enemies later in the game start spamming magic or use special attacks that bypass defense.

>>6345259
Both archers are better as BRGNs. You're trading movement and agility, the two least important stats, for attack and defense, the two most important stats.

>>6337378
>used to
gay

>>6336272
I played SF one and two to completion, the remake of 1 almost up to the end and most of Shining in the darkness
What game should i play besides the those? I think i played a few minutes of CD but it was only battles and no exploration and no story, am i remembering it wrong?

>>6347676
I'll give you agility doesn't matter but move is hella important. There's a reason Claude and Zynk are shit without the running ring or the running pimento. It's their low move. And the negligable buff to attack and defence are not an acceptable trade off for 2 points of movement.

>>6347908
That's pretty much what CD was. Battles are solid and much bigger than the ones in 1 and 2, as well as some gimmick fights, but I didn't like losing the exploration element. Two steps forward, one step back.

>>6348153
There's a huge difference between brass gunners and Zynk/Claude. The benchmark for an average promoted unit is six move plus one attack range. That's Bowie, Gerhalt, the master monks, barons, etc. Where Zynk and Claude lose two move and gain nothing, gunners lose one move and gain two attack range. You're not moving full range past turn three when the combat starts up anyway, so it essentially breaks even at worst.

>>6348283
True, you're not likely to move your full range beyond turn three when baddies start approaching to fuck you up, I'm just not a fan of trading out movement in most cases unless the bonus is higher than a marginal attack and defence buff, the latter of which shouldn't be coming up anyway with archers. I blame the remake of SF1 that demanded you speed through battles for skill points and slower characters being handicaps that you suffered with.

>>6347676
>You're trading movement and agility, the two least important stats, for attack and defense, the two most important stats.
I'll give you atk but show me any BRGN tanking two pyrohydra hits, Def is important but only to the point where you don't die in a single hit which is pretty easy anyway

>tfw no centaur pussy

>>6349524
I don't have the numbers on hand but I wouldn't be surprised if a sniper survived zero pyrohydra attacks to a gunner's one.

>>6351373
https://shining.fandom.com/wiki/Pyrohydra

Attack: 126 (157 in Super)

So a defender would need HP + Defense to be greater than 126 assuming no defensive terrain to survive (or 157 on Super).

>>6351460
Okay, sure. I'll just work it out from tskisoccer's averages. At Lv21/25, Elric's stats are going to be
>Sniper: 77.5 HP, 56.9 DF; 134.4 durability
>Gunner: 76.8 HP, 76.4 DF; 153.2 durability
I don't remember there being any 0 defense tiles on the final map, so it looks like my intuition was right. At least on super.

where can I get comfy fantasy feels like Shining Force nowadays