/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6314407
IV is the peak of the seriesII is fine but the backtracking is just needless filler and mechanics like the shaman system feel a little rough around the edges.

>>6314407
Ahahahahaha no, it's IV.

>>6314407
yeah no.

>>6314407
I'm with you, OP

>>6314412
>IV
>>6314414
>IV

That's not how you write 3 in roman numerals.

IV was a great game but I never liked that "korean...?" like style for towns and enemies. It might be "original" but it just didn't click with me. The transformation system was ass compared to III, it's like going back to I's system.

III was very good, nice cast, excellent visuals (IV felt very desaturated, like some modern indie games, III had a lot more color), it has some really good mechanics and the best dragon system in the series, but it feels long as shit in some parts.

II was my first RPG and I look back at it fondly, it's pretty good for the time, but it sure has a bunch of flaws, like one of the most ridiculous encounter rates (two words: Witch Tower) for enemies that are relatively sturdy. It has the worst dragon system in the series IMO (elements don't even matter wtf) and it demanded ridiculous amounts of WiseBL to function.

I felt the most basic and cliché of the bunch but it still had a certain freshness to it, specially at the time (played it a bit after II came out and was generally pleased, but it's like more "standard RPG" than the rest). although the dragon system was better than in 2, some story moments are pretty neat, and I always loved the detail that when using the song on Zog, Ryu also got his dragon ass all fucked up. Oh yeah and that fucking Gremlin's second wind. The second wind system was very interesting but it was a pain in the ass at times, lol.

Then there's Dragon Quarter that isn't retro. It's a fairly good game and the D-Counter is both annoying and rad, but it sure is weird as fuck. Sadly it has my least favorite designs in the series for pretty much everyone involved (protags, villains and dragons) and while the world is perfectly portrayed as the mess it is, it's way too bleak and it fills me with apathy.

I heard there's a 6 for mobile but I never heard anyone talk about it. Don't think I even seen screenshots or character designs, I assume it's pretty bad until proven wrong.

>>6314412
>>6314414
>>6314537

This hands down.

Is he right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLoIlDIboYM

>>6314597
>m-muh gene system

III was worse than II. I'd probably rate the entire series IV > V > II > III > I

Yeah I'm gonna have to vote for II as well.

Played 2 and 1 and though it was mediocre.

>>6314872
I don't know where 2 fans get their love. 3 I at least understand but 1 and 2 are painfully generic and dull.

>>6314875
>>6314872
Did you play the retranslation, it definitely makes the game a lot better

>>6314712
>"korean...?"

Chinese

It's not a very good game series. I'd keep III for the fishing minigame and V because it's actually good (but so fucking weird).

>>6315036
Is this a new thing where everyone hates RPGs all of a sudden?
Especially the popular ones

Can someone give a reason why there are really hostile posts toward anyone who prefers III over IV?

>>6314407
It's one of the worst JRPGs I've ever experienced. The incomprehensible translation and obnoxiously high encounter rate make it basically unplayable.

Kek OP it's shit. Nice bait thread tho

>>6315023
No. Unless the retranslation also seriously ups the gameplay I don't see a point

>>6315030
Yeah that poster is a little retarded.

>>6315063
Stop playing turn based rpgs then

>>6315049
It's not new.

>>6315092
it seems more prevalent recently

>>6315071
I pretty much did. BoFIV was actually one of the last jrpgs I ever played and liked enough to finish. Outside of Etrian Odyssey which is more like a jrpg dungeon crawl I completely ignore the genre these days.

>make shaman transformations permanent until you decide to disband them
>keep the important overworld abilities when characters are shamanized
>either let Ryu transform or have his dragon attacks cost less than 100% of his MP
>allow Ryu to fuse with shamans to unlock different dragon powers
>resolve Patty's character arc instead of forgetting about her
There, I fixed II

>>6314830
>best fishing
>best characters
>best setting
>best music
>best adventure
>best gameplay
>best dragon system no matter how much you whine about it

>>6315250
>best characters
The game with Scias and Ershin
>best setting
The game full of Buddhist lore
>best music
The game with Raging Emperor's Banquet
>best adventure
The game where the two regions have unique battle themes and aesthetics so it really feels like you're going somewhere instead of Generic Fantasy Townsville
>best gameplay
The game with combos

Harem or nothing.

>>6315526

>>6315530
Where is best girl?

>>6315536
Ryu is a pleb who's not into traps.

So from what I am gathering, every single girl in this franchise is going commando.

>>6315550
At least one wears tights

>>6315558
She must be some kind of pervert.

>>6315569
Big if true

>>6315530
Fuck, Bleu is a fucking monster.

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/four_against_nature/the-beginning-the-end-and-the-beginning-brownie-pp-t428.html

Great thread for fans of IV, it's a side by side comparison of the English and Japanese scripts.

>>6315574
>Let me just double check

>>6314597
3 is by far my favorite too, anon

>>6314712
>Dragon Quarter

Meh game, could be a good game if I didn't have to replay it a bunch of times to get the entire story.

Was it worth it?

>>6315816
Can't you just download a clear game save?

>>6315839
I could, even tried one last time, but it brought over a bunch of garbage from the owner's previous play-through.
Maybe there's a gameshark code?

>>6315821
>living in a world without best Nina

Absolutely.

>>6315821
Why didn't the Wyndian royal family ever give birth to Ryus?

>>6315658
>Nina calls Cray "brother"
Can we put the cuckRyu myth to rest now?

>>6315846
If that's all it takes I might try playing it one day. Maybe freeze the d-counter too, I don't want to die from WALKING.

That still leaves the ugly graphics, though.

>>6315927
If you read further and see the post about that scene you can see the scene was actually mistranslated. In the original scene Nina tells Ryu she USED TO have a crush on Cray while he was dating Elena since he just seemed so nice but that she knew he and Elena loved each other so she would never act on her feelings.

Technically the translators understood what she was saying, they just misunderstood the past tense aspect of her line and made it seem like she still had a crush on him, which is false.

Breath of Fire IV is by far the most popular in Japan, even got 4 different mobile games back in the java era.
The manga adaptation is also fantastic, by the way. If you want some closure...

>>6315972
>Breath of Fire IV is by far the most popular in Japan
Then why did it cause Capcom to abandon the franchise?

>>6315868
That fairy is naked.

>>6315250
Dragon genes are stupid because everyone is just going to find one good combination and use that every battle. The ONLY problem with IV's dragon system was lack of unique battle sprites.

>>6316006
They didn't, the seventh gen and jrpgs being phased out did. Then they tried to revive it as gacha garbage but even with Japan's sheep mentality to gacha games it failed.

>>6316073
She sexually identifies as fully clothed.

>>6316117
Once I get Knight I just use it for the whole game, because there's no reason to use anything else besides Shining Blade/Shadow Walk combos.

Is the rest of the series worth it? I played BoF 1 for about 2 hours and was out of my mind bored, easily the most boring RPG I've ever played and i dropped it. Do i move on to 2, a different one, or just forget about the series?

>>6316421
I is easily the worst of the series, as Capcom was kind of just cashing in on how big jrpgs were becoming. II has a lot of neat ideas but execution is a little rough, look into it a bit and see if you're willing to deal with its bullshit. I like III and love IV, definitely look into those. V is unlike any other jrpg, it's interesting but not for everyone, also worth a look.

>>6316524
do you like nascar?

>>6316532
No, I'm not a hick.

>>6316537
do you like monster trucks?

>>6316540
Save that for the Dual Orb II thread.

>>6314407
Nah. Its insane encounter rate and grindiness make it thoroughly unfun at times.

>How would you personally rate the series?
I feel like Capcom didn't know shit about making good JRPGs and just imitated whatever they thought was cool in more prominent franchises.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TCPlw3GtPc

>>6316568

>>6316572
Is that near the part at the end where you find that they have been using the princess for the hex cannon? I remember playing that part when I was like 9 and turning off the game there and being sad for weeks. Pretty sure I cried once too.

Where do I start with the BoF games?

>>6316558
I love this argument. You can buy smoke at the very beginning of the game. Use it if you don't like the encounter rate.

2 is my favorite, but 4 is by far the best

>>6316595
Wherever you want.

>>6316598
>You can buy smoke at the very beginning of the game.
Smoke is bugged in BoF2.

>>6316583
No that part never happens and Yuna gets away with it. In the end credits you see that he is not only well, but planning to do this all again despite the countless lives lost solely because of him.

>>6316602
Well, I like the fusion system BoF2 has, so maybe i'll start there. Im a sucker for character customiztion.

Any pitfalls I should be aware of though?

>>6316608
A little glad I never went back and beat it. Sounds like a crummy ending.

>>6316610
>Any pitfalls I should be aware of though?
The vast majority of the fusions are only available at the very end of the game.
If your HP go bellow 25% the fusion will wear off, and you need to leave the dungeon and return to your town to equip it back.
Your HP will go bellow 25% all the time.

>>6316617
It's not, I actually feel the exact opposite.

I genuinely feel it's absolutely brilliant, one of the few times I feel a jrpg has had an actually compelling plot point. Fou-Lu, as the antagonist, argued that mortal's sins are too great and that allowing the cycle to continue as it is will only induce more widespread suffering. he believed that the suffering of millions at the hands of the few is worth exterminating. What separates him from so many other jrpg antagonists or villains is that he has genuine ground to stand on. If Yuna had died and got what he deserved Fou-Lu's argument would hold no weight since, like any old jrpg, the villain got what they deseved.

In real life the villain doesn't always get what he deserved. Some of the worst humans to ever live went on to die without enduring even a fraction of the suffering they caused others. Fou-Lu's rage against society feels so much more genuine since you, the player, also are angry at Yuna just as Fou-Lu is. You've experienced first hand just how Yuna made Fou-Lu suffer from the start to the end of the game.

It's a genuinely great ending that shows we can't save and fix everyone and everything, some times the system can't be fixed and things aren't so black and white. Even though Fou-Lu is wrong in his aim he feels far more genuine then most jrpg antagonists.

>>6316641
>The vast majority of the fusions are only available at the very end of the game.
>If your HP go bellow 25% the fusion will wear off, and you need to leave the dungeon and return to your town to equip it back.
>Your HP will go bellow 25% all the time.
Well damn, that all sounds like shit

>>6316670
Yeah don't let furries like kattfag mislead you, it's not a good game.

>>6316656
I agree with all this. It sums up part of what makes it so good.

>>6316670
git gud

>>6316703
Soo... Grind before every dungeon until you steamroll everything? Wheeee what a great game.

>>6316716
Welcome to JRPGs.

>>6316716
No, grind before the final dungeon because the only good fusions use the dark shaman.

>>6316718
A good jrpg is fun with zero grinding.

>>6315243
lol, dumb faggot. Here's the TRUE fixing of II:
>Everything you just said.
>Use Coliseum as a side-game for Ryu's group to continuosly fight tough enemies. Just like ToP. Put some nice itens there as reward.
>Put one optional Super-Boss that would require good levels and equips and strategy to beat. Put him in the end of a secret super hard dungeon.
>Make elemental attacks do something.
>Make status attacks actualy worth using (def down, hush, idle, etc)
>Make Fishing and Hunting worthile the whole game. they are only usefull in the begining of the game and to fish treasure chests later on
>Balance the players. Make Spar have a lot more AP and more usefull spells. Make Jean not suck like ass. Bleu can still be awesome, but make it harder to get her (like, you should fight her guardians first)
>Tiga can beaten. This would be relevant to the following system.
>Create a system of relationship, with 04 possible options: nina, katt, spar and bleu.
>HOMETOWN: Make it possible to evict a tenant at anytime, for a heavy fee; most tenants are able to occupy any of the houses; no tenant can be skipped forever; make Ryu have his own home, that he could share with love interest; the other architects in Capitan can be hired as tenants, so that they own services can still be acessed by the players;
>create a zone that can only be acessed by flying township
>INCREASE TOWNSHIP'S MOVEMENT, for the love of fucking jesus
>make spells hit harder; make them cost more AP; make AP to be recovered automatically a little bit after every turn
>W.Fruit does not take off HP and is sold on stores.
>Smoke reduces encounter much more effectively
>Create an item, later on, that can automtically set the rate of encounters (none, low, normal, alot)
>Create a system that allows to change colors of the characters - every hue should be found for every player.
>Township lower level could be the super-dungeon I talked about.
>After killing dethvn, allow the players continue playing.

>>6316726
The fact that this board exists says otherwise. Grinding is a purely /vr/ phenomenon.

>>6316761
>Make Jean not suck like ass.
Super Sentai Jean is good.

>>6316764
Grinding is hardly a purely vr phenomenon. But many people will grind in games where it's not necessary and then complain.

>>6316761
You have to fix the main quest too.
More than half of the game is just trying to find who framed Bow with a million of pointless indirections that only serves the purpose of making the game longer.

For me
I has the most charming cast (despite system and story limitations)
II has the best plot (and Nina)
III has the best atmosphere (feels like a great adventure, and a lot of pressure after the desert as basically a point of no return)
IV is the prettiest and has the best music
V is weird in a nice way

Pretty much like Suikoden, it's for the best the series to be kept as it is. Don't want another monkey paw wish like a mobage.

>>6315030
Huh. Some dude kept insisting it was some ancient Korean pastiche. I don't know anything about Korea outside of esports for one and dear leader for the other, so can't fucking tell.

>>6316806
>I has the most charming cast

>>6315030
>>6316809
https://lparchive.org/Breath-of-Fire-IV/Update%2051/
>Symbolism time!
>That ring of green trigrams is a Primordial/Earlier Heaven bagua. "The fuck is that?", the average goon says. Bagua means Eight Symbols in Chinese, and is an important diagram in Taoist philosophy. It represents the flow and structure of reality, with the trigrams representing parts of reality along with elements of yin and yang. Going clockwise from the trigram at Fou-Lu's feet, they are Heaven, Wind, Water, Mountain, Earth, Thunder, Fire, and Lake. They are also associated with seasons, cardinal directions (with Heaven as north, just like the compass says), emotions, concepts, families, and a whole bunch of other stuff. They're also an element in feng shui, used to map out the house to be in balance with creation and affect the owner's life. There's probably a metric shitload more symbolism here than I'm aware of (especially with the western symbol looking a lot like that Bangla script Om discussed in the previous symbolism update), but the fact that Fou-Lu's standing on Heaven while you approach him from Earth isn't exactly subtle.

BoFIV draws from many Asian mythologies and beliefs.

>>6316823
That explains why we can never agree on which Asian culture it is. Good to know.
Also huh didn't even think of looking if there was a BoFIV LP in there, I'll give it a read as a refresher.

>>6316761
PART II
>make Ryu's ranger profession actually mean something throughout the game. Like, every 'Boss' he finds, he has to report back to the Elder, and receive a tiny bit of dialogue and a item
>Create 'Warp' npcs, that would teleport you to any Dragon Statue you find in the game, for a heavy fee, that increases with player level and number of party members.
>Infini is now an actuall USEFULL skill, and can be used once to revive fallen party members and heal them completely - and consumes Ryu's HP, and it can't be used until he uses an Inn.
> Every Dragon Form has to be found. The only one the game gives you is Dragon Puppy and G.Drgn.
>every shop in the world updates its item list as the game progresses, with some shops having some unique itens
>certain npcs like Sumner (the guy who plays the game musics) and the other one who paints the houses, will need itens that are find by the player (like, a chest that used to have a fucking 100C, now has the Theme of Tunlan, or the house color green).
> Create a Cassino on a island or city
> Create a racing mini-game, like the yoshi race on SMRPG. The player could bet on the winner. Somethink chocobo-race-like
>'Cond' status is now how likely you are to inflict a 'special' attack with a spell or normal attack.
>Certain players will only have access to better spells if the dragon tear is at a certain level.
>The longer a player is in the party, the dragon tear level will increase slowly
>Elemental weapons and armors now do something - FireSD, EarthAR, etc
>Certain weapons give status on attack - dethbw has a chance do k.o.; SoleSD can dispatch undead enemies;
>Bow's shot will hit for: 50%, 125%, 0% or 200% n. attack, and it works with any enemy.
>Rand's Wake will heal for small amount, instead of damaging 1.
>Ntre will either: damage for a greater amount.
>Sten's rip will make his attack 50% stronger, but he will take 100% more damage at each turn it is used.

>>6316831
I also recommend reading through >>6315658 as well, really great look into the script of the game.

>>6316814
It was the first game I played in the series, so there's a bit of nostalgia, but I really like how the cast is diverse and colorful compared to most games in the genre, and despite being the first, they nailed it. Might not have the drama and elaborate designs like II, but it has somtehing unique going for it IMHO.

>>6316771
>Calling Chad Paladin Tapeta the Noble Jean
>Calling Chad Paladin Tapeta the Noble a piece of shit fat fuck of a frog who sucks ass for 90% of the game.
>also, the games forces you to play with fat ass the fuck-frog before you have access to his chad alter ego

Please, breath corona virus

>>6316837
bruh, how long has it been since you played hte game? There IS a Warp spell already, and Rand's Wake literally revives characters

>>6316838
Sure, been in a bit of a mood with RPGs so reading stuff will be a good way to make me replay it again.

>>6316837
PART III
>Patty needs to be found before Ryu can have the Anfini - she will be a macguffin character needed to do the ritual that gives him the power.
>Patty will be, once again, at Thvstomb, and you have to beat her - she's a dragon now.
>After you open infinity, the demons that stop you from calling mina can be killed if you do a optional dungeon
>before you kill dethevn, every faction you came across (Highland, Tunland, Capitan, Simafort, Hometown, Coliseum, Windia, Farmlnd, Cotland, Guntz) will help Ryu fight the demons who are flying from infinity - just put a few of those npcs inside the dungeon (it's a long ass, empy dungeon), with tiny bits of dialogue, some itens, some stores, etc until you reach Dragon city.

>>6316761
wow theres someone more autistic than kattfag

>>6316847
You only learn Warp with Jean after he's lv 14, or something like that (which is laughable, since you never really have to use that piece of shit), with spar (like, halfway the game) or bleu - only after you get the whale.

The warp NPC also would work if you just dont wanna use Spar, Jean or Bleu in your party, which I usually do (Katt, Rand and Nina, for me).

>>6316656
What a load of bs.

>create a compeling character that could be called a basic ass villain - Fou Lou - but the game allows him to be developed into something layered - the villager girl death
>create an arch that put such 'villain' in the path of the quitenssenstial and boring Mary Sue hero - Ryu.
>But, again, create, through dialogue and word bulding, compeling reasons to cheer for the Mary Sue hero and his friends too- Nina's sister quest, Ryu hate for innocents being killed, etc.
>Do a great job introducing a very human vilain - just some guy, with no powers, who's devoid of empathy, the worst sin a human can have.
>realize you are out of money and time to create an end to such history
>Forget about everything and just make Ryu Blonde.

GENIUS!

>>6316984
Making him die would be fine, but that's it, just fine. If Yuna died like "intended" BoFIV's ending would end like any other jrpg. IV's ending did something different, and in this case I feel special. I feel that, even if it was unintended, Yuna surviving gave us the much better narrative.

Is there an actual, linkable interview that even says he was meant to die? I hear this a lot but does anyone actually have a source on this?

>>6314407
>So I think we can all agree that Breath of Fire II is the peak of the franchise.

I would call thou foolish, but thou art mortal. Thou cannot go against thy nature.

>>6317005
I'm with this. If he was meant to die at some point, the result they ended up with is far better.

>>6316984
>>6317657
Patty disappearing from II is a worse plot hole than Yuna not dying.

>>6317776
The GBA version expands on her story a little bit, iirc. She shows up in Gate at the end.

Hot take. Breath of Fire is not a particularly good series. 2 is the best by far and very mediocre compared to other jrpg series.

>>6317842
Breath of Fire games have the most likable party members of any RPG. They're always unique, always aesthetically pleasing, and genuinely interesting and worth caring about. They aren't just generic anime blobs.

>>6317868
Yeah, they're furshit instead.

>>6317870
Grow up weeb.

>>6317879
Yiff in hell.

>>6317868
I highly disagree. Unique looking characters but not interesting at all.

>>6317842
What don't you like about III or IV?

>>6317896
>give the biggest asshole in the series the same name as your best bro from II
Why would they do that?

>>6314546
Still cringe at Artist yuri request.

>>6315095
It's all the zoomers with short attention spans and little patience coming out of the woodwork.

>>6315058
there's another translation which is much better.

I 100% agree about the encounter rate being too high, though.

>>6318274
I find the game less enjoyable with a "proper" translation

>>6315590
>Fuck, Bleu is a fucking monster.
What the hell's wrong with monsters? I like monsters.

>>6316117
>not having fun with different forms

>>6318501
The game doesn't really give much information in the way of using them properly.

>>6316656
>Its good because it subverts your expectations!

Please just fuck off and die of corona.

>>6318319
Don't worry, I'm a monster girl connoisseur myself.
I meant her stats.

>>6318810
Stay mad (:

>>6318842
Sure I am mad.
But that will eventually pass and I will stop being mad while you will be retarded for ever, with your head stuck so deep up your own ass that you think budgetcuts make good writing.

>>6318857
They don't make good writing, we just happen to have good writing come from what might be budget constraints.

Can you even find actual proof that there were budget constraints? If so link it.

>>6318874
Nigger are you high?
Do you really not know how much shit was cut out of 4 and especially the western release of 4?

Its bad enough that you are a mouth-breathing retard who thinks that something being different for the sake of being different makes good writing. Your while self-important diatribe in >>6316656 complelty omits that at no point is it necessary to drive the point home that humans will still be humans. Both Ryu and Fou-Lou outright say so during/after the finale you were just too high on your farts to even notice that.
I bet you thought the Last Jedi was a masterpiece too.

>Can you even find actual proof that there were budget constraints? If so link it.
Go and suck on my taint. Im not going to spoonfeed you disgusting philistine when it takes you 5 minutes to find an answer for that if you actually cared.

>>6318908
So you can't, cool.

If I type in "Breath of Fire IV budget cuts" nothing comes up. If you want to enjoy your fan fiction that's perfectly fine, just don't pretend it's reality.

>>6318024
?

>>6315816
>if I didn't have to replay it a bunch of times to get the entire story.
The extra cutscenes you get on subsequent runs only flesh out what you have already seen or could already infer. It's not like you need them and I feel like they are more there just to give players who need to take 2-3 runs to actually finish the game something new to look at.

>>6314407
...does Kay realize at that blended angle she is showing off her vulva?

>>6315250
Except for the Cloud City thing.

>>6319606
Every RPG needs a sci fi plot twist. It's the law.

>>6320538
There are more that do not.

>>6316718
Where did this meme start? You don't have to grind in 99% of JRPGs besides super old shit like Dragon Quest 1. From the SNES on, JRPGs don't really require grinding.

>>6316814
That is pretty funny how every character except Ryu, Nina and Bleu is so useless individually you have to put all 4 of them in a blender to have a usable 4th member.

>>6318948
>So you can't, cool.
So you didn't actually care about the discussion, cool.

>If you want to enjoy your fan fiction that's perfectly fine, just don't pretend it's reality.
When you do not address what was written in a post, you do not win the argument, you know that right?
You just stuck your fingers in your ears and ran away.

>>6320885
Searching for any evidence that there was budget constraints yields no results online. I am perfectly willing to accept I was wrong if you would prove there were, clearly it seems you're incaoable though.

>>6320885
breath of fire had not budget issues, I've never heard anything of the like, there were censored scenes and removed features from the english version though

>>6314407
III was the best.

>>6316656
But there's a bad ending where Ryu kills everyone

>>6317842
Breath of Fire has autobattle though

>>6321026
>bad ending
More of a "what if", it's obvious the other ending is the actual ending.

>>6318512
>a video game should tell me how everything in it works and what the exact boundaries of its content are
>i enjoy reading a story about adventure and exploration but i hate adventuring and exploring

>>6320885

>>6322278
The only way to get a feel for the dragon gene system in the game is by going out of your way to fuck about with it. This is dumb for two reasons:
>1. you never really know which form is good which which major boss fights cause there are no Libra-type spells to learn their weaknesses or stats
>2. BoF3 is INCREDIBLY stingy with MP restoring items

>>6322297
Those are both factually wrong, but more importantly you sound as if you have completely lost your sense of wonder and that's sad.

>>6322326
BoF3 is most definitely stingy with MP restoration and you'll be doing nothing but saving them for boss fights. It also doesn't help that the only useful party members are Ryu, Momo, and Peco - with the rest having shit stats and/or mostly situation use in the field.

>>6314412
>>6314407
which of the birbs had sex? watching interspecies reviewers now. don't care about the furry tiger.

>>6322379
Every birb has sex, otherwise there would be no more Ninas

>>6319602
Shes ok with it.

>>6322335
What do you have against Rei?

>>6322795
Stealing is kind of pointless and weretiger form is kind of pointless once you get my aforementioned three party members trained up.

>>6316761
>Create an item, later on, that can automtically set the rate of encounters (none, low, normal, alot)
In he original game, the Collar actually increased the number of random encounters and the HolySF decreased it.

>>6315780
can't beat the cock

>>6316073
good, now put her on your face

Should I play bof2 with the maeson hack and retranslation patch? I have played the first 20 minutes or so and it seems easy so far but that was because I was grinding, the regular enemies can still fuck you up if you aren't careful.

>>6322809
Are you aware of the strategies involving Rei in a party set-up such as Chain Formation -> Resist -> EX Turn abuse?

>>6323394
Sure, but who needs them when you can just dragon form spam and have Peco serve as a nigh-impenetrable frontline tank?

>>6323134
Depends how long you want to mash attack attack attack

>>6323527
>munchkinning a game that isn't even hard

>not using Momo+Were-Rei+Beserk Kaiser

>>6314407
I tried to play BoF2 a couple of times after 3 & 4, didn't find it fun to play, I guess it filtered me. I wanted to like it because of the larger party. 4 has the best visuals and combat, and a great story. But 3's story isn't much worse, its characters are better, and importantly it has a better dragon system, master system, and a better fairy village.

I want to say 4 is better overall, 3 also has that charming early PS1 look that makes it stand out in its own right, and makes it hard for me to definitively say it's worse.

DOESN'T THAT JUST BEAT ALL *shrugs*

*studio audience goes crazy*

>>6325574
>remaster of all 4 games with proper translation and censorship removed never

>>6325620
>Momo and Ursula in glorious 3D never ever

>>6326149
Why is she so underrated.

I had just downloaded 1 rom and began to play it a week ago. I only went through 1 hour or 2 and it just seemed like ff1 with only one character and just attack-attack-heal-attack mechanics.
Should I go on?
I suppose I just scratched the game surface, but, is it worth?
Should I skip to 2 or so?

>>6326173
It's better that way.

It'll always be Deis and Ershin for me.

Opinion on d4s' retranslation/enhancement patch?

>>6326808
I can't play BOF2 any other way.

>>6316775
>Borgan fight
>level 28
>recommended level 45
Jesus christ.

Did you know? Chun-Li and Sakura were in Breath of Fire 3.

Also:

1.) Breath of Fire III
2.) Breath of Fire II
3.) Breath of Fire
4.) Breath of Fire IV
5.) Dragon Quarter
6.) Breath of Fire VI

>>6327552
>I above anything but VI
Absolutely disgusting.

Breath of Fire, while not my favorite JRPG series, is the only one that makes me want to replay it immediately every time I see a BOF thread pop up on /vr/.

>>6327552
Pic related only appears in this location if you equip the BrokenSD when fighting Tyr.

>>6327552
How's VI?

>>6327624
A mistake.

>>6317880
This ain't 2006 4chan. Get new material.
Least call him a faggot or something.

>>6327552
it's because they both like Ryu

BoF as a series is pretty generic in terms of story and gameplay, but something about it is just so charming and memorable. Was it the fact the character designs were generally really good?

>>6328184
Sometimes a straight forward jrpg experience is nice. I really like IV because it feels like it has enough of an identity from other jrpgs while having the charm of late 90's/early 2000's anime/manga.

>>6328184
It's the fact that it has the highest amount of suffering per capita of any JRPG

>>6328184
>Was it the fact the character designs were generally really good?

its a gigantic factor for sure. not too many games let alone RPGs have a cast made up almost entirely of sexy/cool animal people

>>6328225
What do you mean?

I've always wondered: in BoF2 when Nina meets the original Nina and she tells her that she kind of screwed the Windian race by falling in love with a man from another clan, is she talking about original Ryu?

>>6328249
No duh, who else would it have been? Ninas will always fall in love with their Ryus.

>>6328247
Yuna did nothing wrong.
Nothing.

>>6328225
I could prove you wrong, but I won't.

>>6328291
Edgelord/10

>>6328291
See: >>6316572

>>6314407
Personally 4>2=3>1

>>6328827
what a productive post

>>6325123
I love Momo, but not using Nina in a BOF game always seems wrong to me.

>>6329715
Nina is fuck awful in III, it's a real shame but at least the game is piss easy so you can really use whoever you want.

>>6327552
>>6327609
Chunners also appears in the arena in BoF2.

the only thing I remember about BoF2 was getting into a random encounter every. single. step.

>>6314407
>>6314412
>>6314414
II fags are ok
III fags are ok
IV fags are not ok

>>6327552
Based and correctpilled

Why was "Bateson" added as Ryu's surname in BoF2? Is it just some weird localization joke?

Also, assuming that original Ryu is the man that original Nina married and tainted the wing clan bloodline with (which I'm going to assume is the case), doesn't that make it a bit weird that their descendants keep end up getting together?

>>6330443
What's wrong with the best BoF game?

>>6330483
iirc one of the supplementary books (or was this in the games? Can't honestly remember) says that the versions of Ryu and Nina we see are meant to be reincarnations of each other. Guess it's just hammering home the destiny thing if they keep end up marrying.

>>6330483
Adding on to what >>6330489 said I don't think Ryu and Nina work as a bloodline thing. It's not like any Ryu or Nina is the child of a Ryu and Nina, they exist separately from a bloodline and it' more of a spiritual connection that makes the two of them always bound to one another.

>>6330483
Because his dad's name was Ganer Bateson

>>6330492
Well, the dragon tribe is very inbred and also all descended from Ryu IV and all Ninas are Wyndian royalty.

>>6327552
>>6330443
Why?

>>6314712
6 died years ago, iirc. It was panned by everyone.

Hey guys, what's happening in this thread?

>>6331798
Not retro OR BoF

>>6328258
Well not the Nina from 2 or at least it never seemed that way.

Unironically, what the fuck was his problem?

>>6332102
This dude's story was probably cut out when Capcom was rushing to get this game out the door. As much I like this game, it feels unfinished.

>>6332080
That's because Ryu2 has excellent taste (pic related).

But really now, here's something interesting I read in the wiki.
>It is unclear as to what happens to Nina after the defeat of Death Evans. A part of the ending shows that her father does seem to recover from his illness after Death Evans falls. Some fans assumed that the Princess returned to Wyndia. Because of the fear behind the color of her wings, other fans argued against this. These fans argued that if Nina were to return to her parents, political turmoil and chaos would erupt in the kingdom. Nina was also never shown to return to Wyndia after the story closed. If she was in the party selected to fight Death Evans, Nina was last seen returning to Township. If she stayed behind, Nina may be one of the party members greeting Ryu as he returned home. Because of this, it was also believed that she stayed with Ryu in Township. Supporters of this believed that Nina would live the rest of her life with Ryu.

>>6332102
he's a hermit ascetic of the goddess religion

literally a stereotypical mid-boss character

>>6332080
She mumbles in her sleep late-game that Ryu and her friends are the only thing she has to live for anymore after the unpleasantness with her sister.

>>6330492
This, they're Hawkman and Hawkgirl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb6PIjrC1ek
>that citar solo
Underrated as fuck theme.

>>6332494
Is it specifically Ryu and her friends with Ryu listed separately or is it just "her friends"

>>6316006
>Universal acclaim = Financial success

>>6332615
Not him, but at least in the GBA version, Ryu gets a particular shout-out assuming we're both thinking of the same scene. Also she tears his head off when he admits he's considering taking his mother's place guarding Infinity.

So I'd argue there's something there, but even if there's not, they're obviously extremely close

>>6332119
>That's because Ryu2 has excellent taste (pic related).

FUCKING THIS.
It's heavily implied Katt has romantics feelings for Ryu. I don't dislike Nina, but come on.

>>6332119
>>6332713
Delusion

>>6332725
You couldn't actually win the fight against Tony Tiger, could you?

>>6332771
I don't think it's mathematically possible even if you get up to Level 99.

>>6332779
Even if you win, you still lose.

>>6332507
Then who is Green Lantern

>>6332771
>>6332779
He has 65535 hp and it gets fully healed after every round
It's really annoying cause when I fought him the first time I played this I could get in two attacks before having to heal so I sat there and used up like 40 healing items thinking I could win

>>6332771
I actually recorded myself on vhs fighting the fucker for about an hour, obviously lost but man did I try beat him

P.S. Katt is best girl

>>6333131
upload

>>6314407
I've only played the first three games and I enjoyed 1 when I was younger. Had so much fun I was happy to play 2 when I was a teenager. Fucking hated it. Trash game. You're telling me I need to swap who is the front character so that I can talk to certain people and advance the story? Well I guess it's not that big of deal except I need to find a save point where I can swap the characters, it can't be done on the fly or even at a very common point. I was stuck for 2 hours roaming around trying to figure out where to go (I think it was to enter the whale?) and finally gave up and looked online. Fuck you.

It also doesn't help that the instruction manual is kind of vague and if you play without a manual you will have no idea what anything does. I didn't know for the longest time what the weird symbols meant in the pause menu (I think if it's moving it means there are lots of monsters around or something? I don't even remember).

>>6333229
II has what might be the genuine worst localization ever released. Yes and no are swapped in areas, it's that fucking bad. Maybe try a fan patch, it's not as bad as you remember.

>>6332102
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0sRq3FA-tc

He has the same music as the other bosses that were a part of the Dragon War, so I assume this was an attempt at subtle storytelling compared to the usual.

>>6314407
Peak of the serie in term of waifu.

>>6333852
Well, yeah. We only had one more female worren after that, and while she's perfectly fine, she can't really compare to no-pan tomboy tiger.

>>6327552
Based taste

Never forgotten!

Everybody goes on about Nina 2, but the original is the best.

>>6334426
Why did they make her a man in III

>>6333056
What about using cheats? Is there even a scene after you somehow beat him?

>>6335410
>after you somehow beat him
YOU DON'T.

>>6318857
Based pasta poster. Saw this the time It Was created.

>>6335410
He's like the first fight against Balio and Sunder in BOF3, he's not really a physical enemy, just a part of the environment. Even if you use a "one-hit-kill", "enemy has one HP", or you modify the RAM yourself, he still won't die, even at 0HP.

>>6335207
Huh?

>>6338323
Rei

>>6314407
i agree

>all Ninas have shorter hair than their respective Ryus
What did they mean by this?

>>6339894
You're wrong, man. Look at BOF2.

Man, out of all the Ryu's designs, the one from BOF1 is my favorite. Too bad the game is not as good.

>>6339936
I can't find good shots to compare but I think Ryu's ponytail is longer than Nina's mullet

>>6340518
Not much of a competition desu
I looks like a classic fantasy hero
II comes a close second but doesn't look as heroic
III wears fucking puff sleeves
IV looks like a damn hobo (love him though)
V has this weird futuristc thing going for that doesn't help

>>6340537
eh, meant for >>6339936
oh well, have more Ryu

This series is overrated by nostalgiafags. 1 was mediocre, 2 was average, 3 was okay but way too long, 4 was mediocre again but had amazing sprites. The only "interesting" one was DQ but it was panned by everyone because waaah not my generic JRPG fantasy.

>>6340580
wtf i hate BoF now

>>6340537
DQ Ryu is /fa/ as fuck except his retarded topknot which I hate.

>>6335174
>man-of-culture.jpg

>Myriachan will never go back to work on the BoF1 retranslation hack

>>6340864
That's cute
Where is it from

>>6340887
I never found a source. Image was posted on 4chan years ago.

>>6340864
>>6340915
I'd like to see a modern remake ala Trials of Mana

>>6340927
I don't see a remake happening, as much as I'd like people to experience BoF1 without all the jank.

Fortunately the series wouldn't suffer too much from a hard reboot. All you need is Ryu, Nina, a world full of different tribes and a sprawling adventure/quest.

>>6340958
Come to think of it, Karn was probably the only human in the whole series, wasn't he?

>>6340961
Depends on how you wanna interpret this design.

>>6340969
>LEL EBIN RAYCISM

>>6340980
>it's racist to say humans don't have purple skin

>>6340958
What's even the difference between the forest clan and grassrunners?
Forest clan are wolves and grassrunners are dogs?

>>6340958
Hm, so Momo is officially a grassrunner.
Meaning she's a fox, not a bunny.

>>6341752
her hybrid form in BoFIII resembles a rabbit, though

Grassrunners are probably like those races in MMORPGs where the differences between males and female forms are more than just genitals. Male Grassrunners have a more dog-like appearance, muzzles and all. Females on the other hand will have either rabbit or fox characteristics. Probably why they don't call them Dog-men or Hound Clan... they're meant to encompass more than just canines.

>>6341083
I figure Forest clan branched off from Grassrunners at some point in their shared past and became forest dwellers. Otherwise they'd fit right in.

>>6340580
>This series is overrated by nostalgiafags
to be fair once you get past a certain age all jrpgs are boring shit, it's called growing up. of course you arent gonna like it if you go back and play it as an adult for the first time

>>6342409
I swear I've read this post in three separate threads, stop projecting anon

>>6342409

There's lots of JRPGs I've enjoyed as an adult such as Shin Megami Tensei, Mother, Romancing Saga, Front Mission, etc. I think Breath of Fire's world is really colorful and charming but as games they're not very impressive.

>>6340915
>>6340887
https://www.deviantart.com/misterpickles/art/Breath-of-Fire-II-Nina-Wyndia-141936575

>>6341880
>hybrid form
BoFIII was gonna have shamans?

>>6342409
This is inherently bullshit.

>>6341880
>>6343810
Does anyone know what all was cut from BoF3?

>>6343902
I don't think anything was cut. Half way through development though Yoshitora decided he wasn't pleased with his art and redrew all of the game's art in the style we got now. Basically III was going to have an art style like I and II but was changed during development. This is the reason why young Ryu, Teepo, and Nina's sprites look nothing like their final art, it's based on the original art.

>>6343810
No, I meant the hybrid forms Ryu takes when he uses the fusion gene. It depends on who's in the party I think.

>>6343136
no one asked for the source for THAT Nina

>>6343902
https://tcrf.net/Breath_of_Fire_III

>>6343941
don't forget adult Nina having a completely different outfit for most of the game then suddenly gaining her artwork accurate outfit during the game's ending

>>6344223
this is what she usually looks like in-game

>>6344223
>>6344232
wtf I never noticed this

original designs a best

>>6344239
Orange Nina > Pink Nina

What does Ursula smell like?

>>6345030
>orange

>>6346315
Gun powder.

Well /vr/., which Nina is best?

>>6346315
Kitty litter.

>>6343837
why

>>6346995
IV > II > III > I > DQ

>>6346995
Looks: II > I > III = IV > V
Personality: IV > II > III > V > I
Usefulness: II = III > I > IV > V

Overall Nina II wins for me

>>6347607
2 has the best story and personality by far. she's kind of a tragic character. in 3 and 4 she's just a banal teenager.
in general 2 has the best characters, most of them have an interesting story and NPCs.

>>6347619
II is great, but for me IV's Nina has a better character arc. She might start as a cheerful, banal teenager, but as story goes she slowly matures realizing the horrors of real world. When shit finally hits the fan she was the Nina who took the worst blow in the series, and her story left a strong impression on me.

As for suffering, I think V's had the shittiest life nonetheless.

>>6346995
Doesn't matter, I always bench her for the better characters.

First time playing BoF3 here. The story is very fresh, but man, I hate the fact that Game Over resets progress. BoF2 didn't have this problem. I'm fine with grinding, I'm fine with losing money, but REGRINDING is just too much. It's not like in an action game where I can do better while replaying and derive pleasure from having improved - I'm just killing the same googly-eyes shart yet again. There is some suspense from fear of losing, but I really have to force myself to replay after a Game over. I've killed the Nue thing and got two Game Overs up to this point. Now I'm doing some boring as fuck stealth mision in the mansion and by god, if I am killed after this and have to regrind, I won't be able to force myself to continue.

>>6347641
EVERYONE in V had the shitties life in the series.

>>6347646
>I always bench her for the better characters.
Speaking of which, I really appreciate how IV's battle system handles the team by not locking your combat party to the people in the front. Having the rest as support or just resting made for dynamic battles and nice variety. The first game already had an in-battle swapping system (one of the best things in it) but IV polished it in a way I don't remember any other JRPG to make the whole team useful.

>>6347652
It gets better a while. You will get enemies that gives more exp and money while you will have better armor and weapons to buy. Finish the mansion part, there will be some event afterwards then you will be free to explore more places.

>>6346995
In terms of looks
I = II > III > IV > V

>>6347682
IV has by far the best battles.

>>6314407
BoF 2 is garbage. The ps1 games are much better but overall the series is b-grade trash with awful writing.

>>6349247
>games
>caring about writing
Okay retard.

>>6349247
>>6349309
I enjoy to read what NPCs have to say in the BoF series. They add a nice touch of context to what's happening in each town.

Nina's piss

>>6331798
OH SHIT BROS, it's Chad!

>>6350969
You have my attention.

>>6349247
The writing is good though

>>6353317
I'm going to assume you mean the fan translation