/vr/ - Retro Games

You know exactly what you're doing by posting this right now you cheeky little shit.

>>6328605
Yes, I do. I want to discuss FF7 to wash off the bad taste the remake left.

I'll be honest guys, I tried replaying FF7 today (haven't played since I was in middle school). The nostalgia goggles weren't strong enough for me. Had nothing to do with the graphics, but everything to do with the combat. Random encounters + mind numbingly easy/repetitive combat. I had to quit after a few hours.

>>6328628
Zoom zoom

>>6328646
I'm a boomer, but there's no sugar coating shitty combat. Especially when other rpgs around and before FF7 did it better

the remake looked fun, although the bosses seemed to have way too much HP, or maybe the guy playing it was bad idk. But the changes to the story like the ghosts, seeing Sephiroth before Kalm, and the cringe motorcycle swordsman were just offputting

>>6328664
>that motorcycle scene
That should be a dealbreaker for anyone; even if it's supposed to be funny it looks so incredibly bad and stupid.

>>6328601
My fave Final Fantasy is VIII, what is it that makes people think VII is better?
Serious question, I love VII but to me VIII just improved on literally everything. Gameplay wise they're very similar but VIII is more polished. Why isn't it universally thought of as the better game?

>>6328601
- Great visuals aesthetically.
- Really great music.
- Combat gameplay is a toy rather than a game. No challenge at all. Just play around with buttons that launch cartoons.
- Exploration is extremely bare-bones.
- Story is cool when you're 13, laughable for an adult.
- Writing is fanfiction-grade.

>>6328787
They're only similar in that they're turn-based RPGs. They are vastly different in terms of mechanics. VII is overrated af though.

>>6328790
Why couldn't Midgar look like this dystopian hellhole in the remake?

>>6328795
What does it look like?

>>6328795
Don't be silly, the remake keeps most of the original's aesthetics. You might be confusing upper districts with lower sectors.

>>6328806
In the original game both the upper districts and lower sectors look like shit. It's just the lower ones look like a complete trash can.

The image is from an upper district.

>>6328798
In the remake the upper sectors look clean and organized more or less. And the slums look like shanty towns but not like the original where people are literally living in ridiculous structures cobbled together from garbage.

>>6328791
>VII is overrated af though.
how?

>>6328817
Incredibly easy, characters all feel the same because of the materia system, largely forgettable secondary characters just to name a few. Not saying it's all bad though - the music is obviously great and the backgrounds still look great to this day.

>>6328814
>The image is from an upper district.
...after a terrorist act. Otherwise it's explicitly depicted as rich people living posh lives literally on top of the poor.

>>6328824
>Incredibly easy
So are all Final Fantasy games.
>characters all feel the same because of the materia system
Not really, if you're homogenizing your characters it's because you grinded to that point. You don't need everyone to have Ice materia, and it's a waste of slots to do this. Characters all have unique stat growths which impact the effectiveness of certain skills.
>largely forgettable secondary characters just to name a few
Who and How?

>>6328828
>...after a terrorist act.
That isn't Sector 1 though, it's Sector 8. And nothing's on fire or anything.

>Otherwise it's explicitly depicted as rich people living posh lives literally on top of the poor.
No it isn't, unless you are the Shinra high-ups.

>>6328831
>So are all Final Fantasy games.
FF7 is the second easiest, only second to the non-game that is FF8. 12 is easily more challenging, even 13 is much more challenging than VII, let alone 1-6.

>>6328835
I've only ever played 7, 10, 9, 6, 1, 2, 4. They are all really easy. 6 is even easier than 7.

>>6328837
Playing remakes doesn't count you know

>>6328840
What remakes?

>>6328841
You know lol, or you're just a liar. Either one is equally possible of course.

>>6328842
Genuinely don't, I'm talking about the original releases.

>>6328832
>That isn't Sector 1 though, it's Sector 8. And nothing's on fire or anything.
Bitch, please.
https://youtu.be/BOUMiEbkZUM?t=1087
>No it isn't, unless you are the Shinra high-ups.
Everyone is either a Shinra employee or dirt poor, yes. Shinra is a corporation that acts like a state. Its employees live on top of everyone else and hate the hobos and the ecoterrorists and the like.

>>6328837
This is just false. You're plain objectively wrong.

>>6328848
6 is the epitome of best attack spam fantasy.

>>6328849
It's still much more challenging than 7.

>>6328850
Maybe you just aren't very good. The esper system really trivialized that game. Materia at least has you designating various character builds to have your party be optimized even if imperfect.

>>6328845
The only thing on fire in that video is the tunnel from which they escaped from. I mean, the very next scene with Aeris shows gangs running around. It's a fucking dystopian hellhole, even the music depicts that.

>Everyone is either a Shinra employee or dirt poor, yes. Shinra is a corporation that acts like a state. Its employees live on top of everyone else
You meet a Shinra middle-manager on the train ... who literally has to take a train filled with degenerates to work.

The original game basically depicts the poor living in a trash can under the plate, the middle classes living in a decaying city on top of the plate, and the upper classes living a luxurious life inside the Shinra tower.

People who live under the plate had no choice. People that are living on the plate just means they fell they fell for the Shinra lies about having a good life on it. The only people doing well are those living in the tower like the Shinra executives.

>>6328852
How good I am only matters to whether I consider either challenging on its own. Relative to each other (rather than my skill), 7 is objectively easier than 6, period.

>>6328854
>The only thing on fire in that video is the tunnel
Are you being dense on purpose?
- They literally run out of the exploded reactor.
- They decide to walk on foot to sector 8's station.
- NEXT VERY SCREEN: people are running around in panic, card upside-down. Cloud walks in on foot.

>>6328858
>7 is objectively easier than 6, period.
how? 6 requires much less planning for bosses, has a much less elaborate underlying system for character customization, trivializes character growth with the esper system. 7 at least has some moderately challenging bosses once in a while. Honestly 6 might be the most overrated FF of all time.

>>6328863
>how?
6 requires some minor planning for bosses, whereas 7 requires NONE. Replay 7. It is almost entirely devoid of challenge. You're clearly misremembering.

>>6328790
>No challenge at all.
Not even just counting pic related, I don't think the game is even particularly hard but that's a bit of a ridiculous statement.

>>6328859
>- They literally run out of the exploded reactor.
>- They decide to walk on foot to sector 8's station.
So? They couldn't come the way they came on the reactor train.

>- NEXT VERY SCREEN: people are running around in panic
Well they just heard or saw a loud as FUCK explosion.

>card upside-down
Normally like that because the sector is a hellhole.

>>6328865
It requires plenty of planning and there's numerous viable strategies too, that's the best part. Unlike FF6 where it doesn't matter who you use, just whoever you like in the under-developed cast of tertiary characters. Sounds like you have a bias against FF7.

>>6328835
>12 is easily more challenging
12 is easily more challenging than almost every other damn game in the whole series, those side missions can be an absolute nightmare.

>>6328869
Are you talking about the hidden extra bosses specifically? They're pretty challenging, sure. The game itself is incomparably easier than 6.

>>6328871
Just watch the scene instead of holding onto your silly version fo the events. That street is right next to the reactor that just exploded. You can even see people pancking.

>>6328881
Without referring to anything but the original game, prove that the people on top of the plate lived a good life by objective standards.

>>6328883
>prove that the people on top of the plate lived a good life by objective standards.
They did not. The entirety of Midgar is a hellhole where both the poor and the rich die every day. Even the richest man on the planet (literally) doesn't survive the opening act of the game. Midgar is depicted as terrible.

The same is true for the remake.

>>6328615
Is not a remake, is a spiritual succesor of the first Final Fantasy (it have the same twist).
Which it made exposed all the psx millenials like they are, faggots who only played one or two final fantasy, and doesn't know nothing about games before.
The game is shit, but it did a good job.

Why is there always one autismo crying about the combat? It's fast, snappy, materia is a really fun system (waaay better than espers, junctioning, and whatever that weapon ability shit was in IX) and almost every boss has a gimmick of some kind to set it apart. Aside from a few bosses that can be very punishing if you don't know their tricks the game does curve to the easy side but so what? CT is the easiest game ever made and this board fellates it like a gift from god.

>>6328886
>Even the richest man on the planet (literally) doesn't survive the opening act of the game
True but not quite fair. The most magically powerful man on the planet (literally) had a huge grudge against him.

>The same is true for the remake.
Nah, they really sanitized the cyberpunk vision of the original game, either because of laziness or because they didn't want a game too scary/depressing for the soft mainstream gamers who play these days.

>>6328615
>Yes, I do. I want to discuss FF7 to wash off the bad taste the remake left.
The stupid game isn't even out, you delusional fucker. I mean, I don't expect anything from it, but what taste are you even talking about? Are you on drugs?

>>6328893
That's how might makes right societies exist. Even the top dog lives in luxury but also in fear, and his life is often short.

>>6328894
>he doesn't know

>>6328840
It does.

>>6328896
Also to continue my bitching, the Heidegger redesign sucks. He's supposed to look like an evil dark haired version of Father Christmas (along with evil belly laughs), not this middle-aged veteran look they've given him.

A petty complaint I know, but it's just one of the ways when they took an interesting character design in the original and watered it down into something more generic.

>>6328894
>The stupid game isn't even out

>>6328907
lol no

>>6328915
The characters in the remake look very similar to the original game's concept art, so that what the chunky 3d models were supposed to represent. Of course, old models allowed everyone to imagine whatever the ehck they wanted to imagine, while now it's set in stone. But did anyone expect anything good from Squeenix of all people? I'm sure the game can only be enjoyed if you're capable of overlooking 95% of it in favour of the 5% that is well made.

>>6328929
>The characters in the remake look very similar to the original game's concept art,

>>6328939
See?

>>6328601
No, and grow up.

>>6328929
I'm kinda with this. I never loved FF7 and have little interest in a remake (unless the time travel/ sequel thing is true in which case maaaybe) but I think the designs for the remake do look really good.

>>6328957
Original Heidegger looks much older. They just wanted a younger more stylish Heidegger because their target audience of 14 year old Japanese girls wouldn't put up with an old ugly man being prominent villain.

>>6328967
>their target audience of 14 year old Japanese girls
This is not true and you know it.

>>6328967
They just haven't taken the ugly bastard pill yet - they'll get there.

>>6328929
>I'm sure the game can only be enjoyed if you're capable of overlooking 95% of it in favour of the 5% that is well made
This is pretty much all the positive reception so far, people who just got conned out of $60 playing mental hopscotch to justify the overwhelming majority of bad. The designs and models do look really good, if you go by the demo they even did a serviceable job with Midgar's aesthetics, but as soon as you finish the first mission reality hits like a brick to the face and everything starts looking like the most generic Unity shit. While it'd be highly illegal the assets would be much better served in a fan-game or something.

>>6328969
I actually think the other Shinra executives look fine. Not mindlessly hating on Remake. Rufus looks a tad too effeminate but it'll do.

>>6328968
You can't be this stupid, have you managed to miss the blatant homoerotic Cloud/Sephiroth scenes? They 100% chose fujos over the core fanbase and they're such a money market it might pay off.

>>6328894
It's out today

Myself and a lot of others have had it for a week+

>>6328989
You were jerking off to those scenes and you are the opposite of a 14 year odl girl. You're the target audience.

>>6328894
Not only is out EVERYWHERE today but it's been out in certain parts of the world for over a week and dozens of people have beat the whole thing on stream. There are no secrets anymore, no embargo to be lifted, it's out and it's bad.

>>6328865
>6 requires some minor planning for bosses, whereas 7 requires NONE
Demons Gate will fuck you up if you don't have a strong defensive setup.

>>6328601
Mods please ban the thread. This is another slide thread for a /v/ topic.

>>6329020
If demon gate fucks you up, then every single boss in 6 should fuck you up even more. That's the point: neither game is hard, but 6 is harder than 7 in comparison.

>>6328845
Is it just me or they turned the music into hot garbage in the remake.

>>6329025
>6
>when every character has some no MP defense ignoring move like at game's start

>>6329051
You're arguing that 6 is easy. That is subjective. What is objective is that 7 is even easier. No argument painting 6 as easy means anything when the only way to lose to a boss in 7 is falling asleep.

>>6328646
>>6328659
>zoom zoom
>boomer
How about no?

>>6328824
8 is easier.
8 has an even worse cast
And I personally prefer the creativity of the materia system over the junction system.

>>6329024
NOOO YOU CAN'T DISCUSS WHAT I DON'T WAN'T TO DISCUSS

MOOOOODDS

>>6329054
Livestream yourself beating Emerald and Ruby Weapon. There is nothing in 6 close to their level of challenge. I get that 6fags are delusional but this is kind of ridiculous.

>>6328879
Name parts in 6 that you struggled with.

>>6328891
People think defending a worse less popular game makes them special and unique which is why 6 fans exist in any capacity when 7 is better in literally every way.

>>6329068
Those two bosses are also not the part of the main game and nothing whatever like the rest of the game, which is much easier than 6.
Look, if you think 6 is easier than 7, then you DEFINITELY misremember either or both games.

>>6329070
I didn't struggle with any parts of 6. Are you dense? I am saying that 6 is harder than 7, not that 6 is hard for me.

>>6329080
I'm with this. 6 is easy but 7 is turbo easy. Throwing megalixers at Sephiroth etc etc.

FF 4, 6, 7 are all easy. If a game is easy, then by nature of it not being difficult, it won't be much more difficult than another easy game. There's little point in arguing the differences between them.

8 is a bad game, which is different.

>>6328790
You pretty much summed up my recent playthrough of FF7 thoroughly

>>6328831
>>Incredibly easy
>So are all Final Fantasy games.
The FF4 DS remake was pretty challenging

>they named it after me

Barret dies

>>6329039
yeah, its pretty bad because "lmao everything has to be orchestral bullshit"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRgP7CWLIY8
just listen to this, no excitement like the old.

>>6329158
Wasn't it based on the original version of Final Fantasy 4 in Japan? I heard the original US version of FFIV (aka II) was much easier. I have no idea how it's like with the PSP version of 4, I thought it had the same difficulty as the original US version but I could be wrong.

>>6329278
I hope there are gonna be a few more options when it gets ported to PC. Sure, the Steam version of the original FFVII has a lot of options already but it would be nice if you could play the original Playstation version OST instead of the re-arranged one. Wasn't there some jukebox thingy in the remake anyway?

>>6329039
>>6329278
I was so fucking disappointed in the direction they went with the music. Like, most other things that were changed (and some that were kept the same) were acceptable. But the music is just so...ill-fitting.

>>6328787
VIII is an acquired taste.
Story that works through inference and a battle system that you need to think a bit while using to "get"

>>6328854
lol I think you're projecting a bit.
The upper plate looked luxurious, just the atmosphere was sad but physically it looked fine.

>>6329494
Yeah, from the word go the track has those blaring horns that feel really inappropriate. Sometimes a boss is just a couple of high rank corporate goons in a service tunnel, not a climactic battle to save the world. Not looking forward to how they're going to treat some of my favorite tracks like the city of the ancients. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S25R3FGwPZw

It's just a simple synth, a chiming organ and synth chorus but it works so nicely.

>>6329278
There's one with guitars and some electric keyboard, but I don't know if you'll like it much better
https://youtu.be/KjjruB6KM6E

>>6330014
every remix is missing that bassline
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG7DYLdNBx0

>>6330029
For me, my favorite thing about this song is the crazy ELP-esque keyboard, no other remix really captures that sound like the original does.

>>6329075
Demons Gate is a bigger challenge than any of the main bosses in FF6

Is Sephiroth actually alive in this game?

>>6330059
Define 'alive'.

>>6328628
Install New Threat. Fixes the problem fast.

Yuffie is my favorite character.
Who is yours?

>>6330510
My favorite is best girl

So what exactly is there in this remake that's making people so mad? It's not actually a remake but it's in a parallel universe to the original or something?

>>6328894
It came out today in the US and came out in Australia/New Zealand and parts of Europe like a week and a half ago.

>>6330641
based and redpilled

>>6330451
Yeah New Threat makes the combat a lot more interesting, all characters receive their own battle quirks, confusing typos/names get fixed, it's more difficult overall but never feels unfair. Just tried it on a whim and didn't expect much but I can't reccomend it enough.

>>6330643
>It's not actually a remake but it's in a parallel universe to the original or something?
That's exactly it, yeah. As you play more and more of it and keep running into the time jannies you start to find out the events of the original game already happened and you're actually trying to "fight fate", which they spell out explicitly in the final boss. The ending essentially tells you Square Enix can do whatever they want from here on out as the characters have broken through the loop and the timelines have split.

>>6330793
Oh okay, so I guess they'll probably end up killing Tifa instead of Aerith in the second one or something?

I guess that's kind of clever but I know time-travel and multiverse plots are rarely ever done well.

New Scarlet looks exactly like my mom =/

>>6330451
New Threat is great indeed.

>>6330793
All this stuff has actually made the remake seem a little interesting to me.

>>6330802
My hope is that there will be a way to change fate and save Aerith but that if you do so you can't get the best ending.

>>6328664
>>6328669
>hating Roche
lol

Gotta say, I never played this game back in the day because I wasn't interested in jrpg's, and now in recent times where I've been playing a couple and enjoying them, this game still seems kinda gay - and that goes double for it's fans.

32 year old boomer here (when I was a kid, we couldn't afford a PS1).

Just got this on PS4 (PSN). Gonna start playing this game for the first time before trying out the remake. Any tips for becoming overpowered early on? I saw you can turn off random encounters on this version, which is something I was loathing a bit, so that's already a plus.

>>6331507
The game is super easy but that's partly because you end up leveling up so much from random fights. My best advice is just go in with measured expectations and see how you like the ride. FF7 was the game that taught me hype can ruin a thing

>>6330782
I wanna play it but it’s been weird. First time I tried it, I got to shinra hq, and then I got a hot new computer so I kinda ended up playing all these other games that my old computer wouldn’t be able to play. Finally got around to trying it again...got to Shinra HQ again aaaaannd...my computer died. Shinra HQ isn’t that far in, but it still feels annoying to have to do again

>>6328601
>remake comes out
>it's less than half the original game
>DLC
>western-style fetch-quests
>bad VA
>Cloud cutting through a fucking train
>overall soul-less renderings
>shitty battle system to pander to attention-defecit millenials who want their RPGs to be more like action games
>it'll take YEARS across the next-gen of systems before the rest of it comes out

Looks like this won't take away from the original after all.

>>6331507
>turn off random encounters
but why

>>6331567
I thought it looked lame at first but npw knowing how it's kind of a sequel and messing with the original I am more interested in it. Probably won't play till the whole thing is finished and released as a bundle but I'm in no rush. I was never a real fan of the original though.

>>6331576
Why do people keep calling it a sequel?

Is it because they changed up the dialogue while throwing in retarded ghosts that warn about fate?

>>6331578
Because the plot of the game is Sephiroth from the future has reset the timeline and is trying to alter events along the way so he wins in the end. The ghost things are time spirits or something trying to preserve the original events. Not gonna lie, I don't give many fucks about FF7 but that's a neat idea for a remake and much more interesting than just the same game redone with a new combat engine.

>>6331584
>Sephiroth from the future has reset the timeline and is trying to alter events along the way so he wins in the end. The ghost things are time spirits or something trying to preserve the original events

oh wow, sounds like cringedom farts garbage, won't be bothering with this

>>6331548
Sounds good.

>>6331571
eh, cause it can get tedious real quick I guess. One thing I liked about Chrono Trigger and Earthbound was that you could avoid a lot of encounters. I can just see the scenario where I almost clear the area but decide to go restock on items and go back to the area but just wanna rush till the end without the random encounters.

>>6331584
>plot is villain uses time altering to win in a do over
Ultimecia gets cucked HARD

First game I played on my commodore monitor in s video. Wish it had a new game plus mode.

>>6331620
That's a fine take too. Personally I had no interest in replaying FF7 either in it's original or a straight remake and had totally discounted it before. But this sounds potentially interesting enough to at least keep tabs on.

Being able to save Aerith from getting killed, but doing that means that you can't get the good/true ending because it means Seph would win would be kind of delicious.

>>6331567
I want you to fucking step into the shoes of blizzdrones who literally have to jump through hoops just to play the original WC3 now, which Blizz saw fit to actually just retcon

Cease any discussion of non-retro sequels immediately, citizens.