/vr/ - Retro Games

Agreed.

>>6316821
>implying CT was the fuck up

>>6316825
That wasn't my intention at all. I love Chrono Trigger.

>>6316798
You're only as good as your last month.

Sakaguchi wasn’t canned because Spirits Within failed, maybe tangentially. When you see guys like that get the axe, it’s usually a much more short-sighted cost-saving measure. Like, some soulless bureaucrat didn’t think “Ah, clearly Sakaguchi has lost his touch,” they thought, “Hey, I can save our bonuses if I shed this guy’s ever-inflating salary.” It’s much less interesting.

>>6317194
"Let's fire our source of income" no one said.

>>6316798
I love Sakaguchi but his fuck-up was huge. Spirits Within is one of the biggest box office bombs ever. They lost so much money it's amazing the entire company didn't go belly up.
And honestly that was Sakaguchi's way, he always bets the entire house and everything else. Happened with the first Final Fantasy and with Final Fantasy VII. If either of those failed it would've put Square near-bankruptcy or worse. He was fortunate in that they both paid off in a big way. His luck ran out with Spirits Within.

>>6317213
This sort of thing depends on how far up the CEO’s or other executives’ asses they are. Otherwise these guys who are on the planning and directing side of things can be seen as expendable. Then they just promote someone else who’s way further down the pay ladder like Nomura thinking all the creatives do essentially the same thing, which is how we ended up with the Kingdom Hearts universe.

>>6316798
Am I the only one who thinks HS looks Mexican rather than Japanese?

>>6316798
he was axed because his facial hair was making other asians in the office uncomfortable

The Sak man hasn't done anything notable lately, and Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, and The Last Story were mediocre at best.

>>6317542
>Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, and The Last Story were mediocre at best.
Na they were all decent, just not up to the standard of his earlier work

>>6317463
yes

>>6316798
Look at his games, and you can clearly see where the ghost of FF came from!
Now ask yourself, why did non of the FF fanbase follow him? Why did the FF fanbase remain with SE? If you where a trully FF fan, you had follow him, and buy his games but instead, the fanbase continued to buy SE version of FF.

Is supporting a faceless companie the reason why everything went to shit?

You know what, fuck Square Enix.

Calling all Autist,
it is time to make Sakaguchi big again!

>>6317463
I can see that, but he looks like very Japanese to me too. His face reminds me of Cyan with the mustache, I wonder if he inspired the design. Cyan's his favorite FFVI character too according to this old V-Jump interview:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20090215121344%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Ftotscqcc.hp.infoseek.co.jp%2Fvjamp.htm

>>6316798
He had his chance with The Last Story and still managed to fuck up.

He probably burned out and is semi-retired.
In Japan that means you keep on working, you just no longer pour your heart and soul into your projects. I'm hoping for a comeback, but that's as likely as Treasure developing something new.

>>6316798
No one gives a shit about his stupid fucking stories anymore, FFIII and FFV were peak Final Fantasy. He deserved what he fucking got. FF hasn't been good since IX. FFVII is an overrated piece of trash, FFVI is so bare bones basic it's a snore fest once you learn that 90% of Characters are useless and more then have the game is Linear. FFVIII though good in some aspects fall flat on it's face in the end.

>>6318031
>I'm putting together a team
>It will be my Final Final Fantasy, within spirit
>Who's with me?

Why do people hate Sprits Within? It was amazing b

>>6318075
It's influential in that science fiction media is still mining it for visual motifs to this very day.
But as a science fiction story, it was mediocre, and as a Final Fantasy, it wasn't.

>>6316798
>fucks up once
he didn't just "fuck up," he almost destroyed the company financially.
>gets the axe
this never happened. he stuck around for a few years after spirits within, working as an executive producer for kingdom hearts and a bunch of final fantasy games. then he left to start mistwalker in 2004 because microsoft threw a bunch of money at him.

>>6318075
Because final fantasy is a video game franchise not some garbage Hollywood trash.

>>6318075
I enjoyed it when it came out, though I was a bit disappointed it didn't feel that much like Final Fantasy. The story confused me and I can't remember it well, but visually it was incredible. I should watch it again now and see how it holds up.

>>6318090
I watched it last year, having only seen it back when it was released before that. I think I liked it more than back then.

>>6318075
the way i see it, they made two colossal blunders with that movie.
first of all, sakaguchi should have never tried to direct it himself when he had no previous experience making movies. that was always too risky for the big-screen debut of a franchise this iconic. what they should have done was hire a seasoned veteran director and put sakaguchi in an advisory role.
the other big mistake was making a generic sci-fi movie and putting the final fantasy name on it. they would have been better off adapting one of the games. maybe start with ff1 and plan to keep adapting the rest of the games if it was successful.

>>6317243
This. When corporate culture gets inflated with management team upon management team, eventually their connection to the team gets lost, and they don't know how to assign value to them apart from their direct dollar cost.

Eventually this shit gets so fucked up that all you have is management, and not enough people who actually know how to do the work. That fresh kid out of college costs much less than this experienced guy, but without training from that experienced guy, he's actually worth much, much less. Practicly negative since a whole team of them could cost you a ton of revenue in failed or delayed ventures.

Always beware of companies with too many chiefs, and not enough Indians.

>>6317463
Asians look mexican sometimes.

>saves Mega Man from certain death
>afterwards goes on to direct hit after hit
>fucks up once
>gets the axe

Doesn't matter how expensive his fuckup was, it wasn't justified considering all he did

>>6318369
he deserved it for what he would do to devil may cry and ninja gaiden

>>6317557
Blue Dragon is mediocre, but Lost Odyssey is legitimately great. Nearly every aspect was a home run. Pacing, writing, characters, story, not-too-little-not-too-much side content, voice acting, cutscene direction, varied and engaging battle system. Even the vehicles are fun. The only knock I have against it is that it's one of the most breakable JRPGs ever, but it's still awesome.

>>6318075
Too stupid to piece together the clues that the 8th spirit is Aki/Gray's unborn child. FF:TSW is the most underrated movie of all time. I saw it twice in theaters (only movie I've every done this) and bought the DVD.

>>6317557
last story catches a lot of shit for some reason, but had a pretty interesting battle system if you experimented with the powers and diffusing magic circles

>>6316798
I agree with you OP.

>>6316798
>gets the axe
He didn't he was planning his retirement after IX but stayed just long enough for X and XI to be made.

>>6317463
No, I can see that.
>>6318038
I used to think Cyan was some kind of Spanish knight type character. I didn’t get the the whole Asian kingdom thing till I was older.

>>6318069
lol
>>6318082
>science fiction media is still mining it for visual motifs to this very day.
It is?

>>6318075
It looked ugly and boring so no one's seen it. The one guy I ever knew who saw it liked it.

>>6319243
too bad I have to get a halomachine 360 just to play it because a decent emulator will never be made

>>6319243
Is it? I remembering thinking it was painfully slow and boring. I never got rid of it though, so I still have a copy if I were to give it another chance.

>>6316798
Yeah, doesn’t help that they stopped making good games after he left.

>>6319243
this is a hell of a pitch, i might have to give it a look
>>6319294
that's ninjagaidenblack+2machine 360 to you, pal

>>6319294
Xenia-canary (a UE hack build of Xenia) can run it at 60 fps with texture bugs and some audio issues. It’ll be playable with little issue sooner or later.

>>6317542
Screw you Lost Odyssey was awesome. To me that was the real FFXIII.

>>6316821
whos the guy on the right?

>>6319550
Yuji Hori, creator of Dragon Quest.

>>6317213
Never underestimate the retardation of old Japanese zaibatsu bosses.

These are the same people who thought bombing Pearl Harbor was a better idea than attacking the Soviet Union from the East while was in the middle of a cataclysmic war with Germany in the west.

>>6319287
It's not. Anon has gone full retard.

>>6317213
Never underestimate the quality blend of ignorance and arrogance with people who have never been responsible for generating income to make decision on how money should be made or who should make it.

>>6316798
Square's always done this. They did it to that niggo Hiromichi Tanaka after getting scapegoated for FFXIV 1.0's shitty launch a decade later, despite being one of the major minds behind FF3/SoM/SD3/Xenogears/Chrono Cross

>>6316798
Actually, no. His fuckup lost more money than his successes earned combined. So it was completely warranted.

>>6317463
Native Americans are descendants of Asians, which is why Mexican babies look Asian for example.

>>6316798
Sega did this to Shenmue guy too.

>>6318075
I saw it last year and it was extremely boring and garbage. Looks good at parts but that doesn't help the boring characters. Ironically Advent Children was better despite being retarded, at least it was fast-paced and retarded fun. Spirits Within failed at even being interesting in a boring way.

>>6319845
>Native Americans are descendants of Asians

>>6320151
check out the bering strait

>>6316798
Hollywood movie
not even once

>>6320195
The samurai fears the jew

>The absolute state of rpg-fags.

>>6319836
>His fuckup lost more money than his successes earned combined.

>>6317225
>I love Sakaguchi but his fuck-up was huge. Spirits Within is one of the biggest box office bombs ever. They lost so much money it's amazing the entire company didn't go belly up.

here's a fun story. the spirits within made its investment cost back, and then some, if you combine box office, dvd sales, dvd rental, and licensing fees, over the course of a couple of years.

>>6320207
>dvd sales, dvd rental, and licensing fees, over the course of a couple of years.
Most people don't, unless they are desperate. Those are nice bonuses, and in some rare cases can salvage a project (Pacific Rim), but most of the time it's on the theatrical gross, especially domestically, to make or break it's success.

>>6316798
>saves square from certain death
>afterwards goes on to direct hit after hit
>fucks up once
>gets the axe
How Japanese of them.

>>6317213
There's been higher-ups who were genuinely that stupid.

>>6319557
>These are the same people who thought bombing Pearl Harbor was a better idea than attacking the Soviet Union from the East while was in the middle of a cataclysmic war with Germany in the west.
Damn, I never realized Squaresoft was in charge of the Japanese military during WW2.

>>6317213
You don't have a job, do you?

>>6319557
Anon, you know that Japan actuallly attacked the Soviet Union, but got totally rekt by a then-unknown general Zhukov? Khalkhin Gol/Nomonhan Incident.

>>6319287
>>6319723
Just look at Mass Effect 3 and Star Trek Picard and compare it with Spirits Within.

>>6320368
To be fair, Japan getting btfo'd by the cheekibreeki happened two years before pearl harbor. Japan losing khalkin gol was mostly due to the superior number of soviet tanks and trucks available, which the japanese had very few of and the ones they did have were not quite as reliable. So two years later they decided to attack a nation whose industrial capability made soviet industry look like a toddler in comparison. I believe what anon was trying to say is that historically speaking Japan has had horrible decision making from the top down.

>>6320458
They made an anime about decision making based on various WW2 battles.

>>6316798
I agree it's bullshit.

And what was even bigger bullshit was to cut most of their classic staff. They even reduced the role of then eventually got rid of Nobuo Uematsu, who gave us perfect soundtrack after soundtrack.

>>6320442
Member when it came out and people said CGI actors would never catch on.

And honestly part of the failure was because it was made by a japanese game company. The average American thought "I ain't watching no bleepblop chinkshit". Everything is political.

god i miss old squaresoft
i even miss old square enix

fuck you tetsuya nomura i hope you get lung aids

>>6320461
What show?

>fucks up several times
>falls upwards
how does he do it?

>>6320706
Animentary Ketsudan

>>6317225
Spirits within and repeated issues with ffx meeting deadlines. Still, without him ff games are ff in name only.

>>6320717
He cute.

>>6320619
I miss when games used to be more fantasy than final.

>>6320717
This is Nomura nowadays

>>6316798
Welcome to Japan, where you are defined by your failures over your successes. Not like America where you fail upwards.

>>6320981
is that why you made your biggest failure president

>>6320717
He sucks dick.

>>6318075
I was one of the few who saw it in theaters when it came out. The only thing it had going for it was the CG and it probably aged bad since then. When of the few movies I watched where I legit wanted a refund.

>create sucessful series from scratch
>axe himself
>do jackshit afterwards

If anything, Konami has been respectful with the IP letting it rest, but damn what a waste

>>6321348
His studio did 10,000 bullet which was one of the biggest video game bombs ever which outed him from the game industry for years.

>>6321395
at least the music was fucking majestic

>>6321073
Pretty much.

>>6318134
>>6317243
Planning and Directing is management staff.
And indians are terrible proggers that got hired because HR and accounting though they were cheaper and less demanding.

>>6320981
>Not like America where you fail upwards.
i guess that's why USA wins more trillions dorrars debts than Japan!

>>6321604
>And indians are terrible proggers that got hired because HR and accounting though they were cheaper and less demanding.
anon...

>>6320368
>>6320458
Kahalkhin Gol was also years before the Soviet Union had a great big distraction of being invaded by Germany which kind of my point.

>>6321694
yes why?

>>6317225
>They lost so much money it's amazing the entire company didn't go belly up.
They were already back in the green right afterwards thanks to FFX and KH.

>>6320442
>just look at random shit i pulled out of my ass
Are you such a tard you don't know that everyone has done that? Or such a tard that you think doing it again would give anyone your batshit delusions?

Are people so quick to forget FF:TSW was essentially FFVII The Movie for the West?

>big black man with a big gun
>living planet
>northern crater
>big bad man with a huge cannon
>tries to blow up crater to save the world, makes shit worse
>turns out the evil behind everything is aliens
>sacrifice of a main character to save the world
>white spirally shit saves the day

Was I the only one who saw this?

>>6319205
>and ninja gaiden
sometimes i wonder how in the shit he manage to fuck up Ninja Gaiden harder than nu-Team Ninja

>>6319294
Xenia is making big progress
soon every Kamiya/Itsuno cocksucker will get to play NGB

>>6320717
he listens to gackt

>>6317225
What about FFXV? How did Nomura's fuck up end up affecting Squenix?

Surely they haven't recouped 10 years worth of development, where 5-6 of those were completely thrown to the trashbin.

>>6323093
>What about FFXV?
keep that subject shit outta here
pelase god

>>6323093
Nomura was doing Kingdom Hearts that whole time still making Square-Enix a lot of money. And in the end they still made money on XV.

>>6317213
lol, like one person makes or breaks vidya development.

>>6322150
>was i the only one to not recognize tropes and grasp at straws
Not at all. It's common with those who are inexperienced and uneducated.

>>6318031
I'd like to see him work on something smaller. I don't know if he could manage a modern AAA project.

>>6317463
He looks like Pat Morita's gay uncle.

>>6323152
something like octopath traveller or bravely default would be good for him.

>>6319243
Lost Odyssey is still one of my favorite games to this day. Really hoping it gets a PC port or something one of these days.

>>6319243
The only thing I liked about Lost Odyssey was the Thousand year dream which Sakaguchi wasn't even involved with.
The Gooch is a fraud.

>>6320458
>>6320368
The Japanese already had their entire male population slowly of dysentry in Burma, they literally couldn't mount an invasion of the Soviet Union without withdrawing east of the Yangtze, and East Russia just wasn't economically worth the trade off. Meanwhile the Navy was doing, in the Emperor and Army ministers eyes, fuck all.

>>6321348
Alliance Alive was great.

>>6317213
Wada did.

>>6321073
>Biggest failure
>Hundreds of successful businesses
inb4 b-b-but less than 10% of his businesses failed so that makes him a failure!

How many successful businesses do you have? I doubt even one. I await your cope post.

>>6316798
It wasn't just a "fuck up" he almost kills the entire company due Spirits Within, that's why he and a lot of people got the axe

It's like Inafune almost killing Capcom with shit outsourcing or MML putting Capcom in the red

>>6318369
>Once
>Takes credit for being the "father" of Megaman
>Almost kills Capcom with Circle Strafe Legends
>Almost kills it again with awful outsourcing projects which damage the company
>Can't outright fire him and he IS influential enough to not get reduced to menial tasks
>Wants to be put in charge of Circle Strafe Legends 3, his pride and joy
>He was so obsessed over it that he created the Megaman Trigger (MT Framework) Engine which never got used for it anyways, but for a lot of other games
>Wants to make Circle Strafe Legends 3
>Someone puts him in the team for the game no actual intention to actually make the game
>Game gets the boot out of spite
>Gets assmad
>Leaves Capcom
>Make a kikestarter for MN9 claiming to be the "father" of Megaman in the promotional videos
>Shit does so bad that he gets mad on the launch livestream due people criticizing it
>So badly coded that it actually bricks Wii U consoles
>Tries to make a kikestarter for "totally not Circle Strafe Legends"
>Game doesn't get enough funds, only some poor chumps who donated money
>Doesn't want to return the money so hires a fake/shady Chinese company to "surprise" fund it
>Mirrors and smoke and people who paid for it get nothing
Man, this guy is a riot

>>6318021
You tell me

>>6316798
He also worked in the bouncer but the "only fuck up once" is the narrative so ok.

>>6318021
Last Story was shit though

>>6323428
it was the only sakaguchi post-square decent game.
Still not a good game

>>6323393
you don't have to do this anymore.

>>6323425
Yeah but Bouncer was a lower budget release title just to get something out for Sony on launch. FF:SW was a huge failure that almost pissed away everyone's work and the whole company, so there is no way they can justify giving him another big project when you have other creators who didn't fuck up and should get their turn, so he either had to move aside or leave, and he did, then that didn't work out as planned, and Terra Battle 2 getting canned was pretty much all she wrote.

>>6323482
>then that didn't work out as planned, and Terra Battle 2 getting canned was pretty much all she wrote.
I don't know how anyone can see how Sakaguchi did post Square and think that it was a mistake to fire him.

He clearly lucked into his successes or was propped up by some other unnamed staff member at Square so when deprived of either it really shows

>>6323514
Name 5 (five) other video game directors that did anything noteworthy after they were fired/left the company they had their success with and started their own.

You literally cannot. It is not the Sak mans fault his games were mediocre at best afterwards, he simply did not have the resources to create masterpiece after masterpiece that he did when he was with Square.

>>6323613
Keichiro toyama with siren and gravity rush
Tokuro fujiwara first with megaman(Fujiwara was at first in konami) and second with tombi
Iga
Suda51
Uchikoshi with 999
The Street fighter duo with Fatal fury and KoF
The SF2 creator with Super Dragon ball
And I can find more.

>>6318047
You mean, NoA fucked it up.

>>6323680
The only worthwhile one you've listed there is Fatal Fury and KoF. 999 was an okay visual novel, but the sequel were all trash. Super Dragon Ball was an awful fighting game.

If we're pulling out mediocre games like that, might as well include Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey too, those are pretty much as "okay" as 999 and Gravity Rush.

And Iga hasn't done anything worthwhile. Bloodstained, again was okay at best. A far cry from the masterpieces he worked on in the past. He wasn't even involved with the 2D one that was actually good, either.

>>6323410
>ba man does thing. blame jews.
wow >>>/pol/

>>6323691
>im an easily triggered jew
kek >>>/zoom/

>>6323683
>but the sequel were all trash
VLR is vastly superior to 999, you pleb

>>6323683
Most people who like 999, gravity rush or No more Hero didn't know about twilight syndrome, ever17 or silent hill when they played it(or they don't know is made by the same director).
More people who like Blue dragon and Lost Odyssey they like because is sakaguchi or because they want to believe "is the real FF12 to me".Is fake enjoying.
Also, people like suda , iga or even keichiro and uchikoshi are still relevant unlike sakaguchi. Even Fujiwara is now more recognize as the father of megaman
Sakaguchi was a great director and a great producer, but after square was a protoInafune.

>>6323135
There's tropes, and there's literally copying what happens almost exactly.

But nice try.

>>6317194
This is probably true. It happens here in the states as well. It's always cheaper the pay a junior, even if the work takes a bit longer. Look at what happened to American McGee.

>>6318047
What's wrong with this game? Haven't played it.

>>6323749
McGee is weird to me right now, I want to see what is going to be Alice: Asylum but the guy
probably is still fucked about his sister being kidnapped and probably dead , so i think is going to be a crazy game.

>>6323736
There's retard and there's full retard
There's spacing and there's reddit spacing
There's things that don't make people cringe and there's (You)

>>6323762
What the actual fuck.

>>6320207
>make back money over years
You realize that's not how you aim to make money right?
>I'm gonna lose all this money now so I'll be nearly out of business and then a few years from now I'll just barely break even
Come on man.

>>6323691
Where did he mention Jews?
/pol/ has fuckin free real estate in your minds

>>6325003
it's called investing, son

>>6325015
>investing in a box office bomb
lol Damn I wish more corporations went the approach of bankrupting their studios so that five years down the line they can get back to their net balance of zero. Yup, let's lose money to make money guys, it's totally the same thing as the stock market.
Making less money over a longer period of time + putting your entire financial situation in jeapordy + the genius of neckbeards off /vr = more money

In fact, I'm just gonna borrow a lot of money from someone and when they ask for it, I'm gonna say "Wait, I'll have it all back to you 20 years from now."

>>6325015
>investing in a box office bomb
lol Damn I wish more corporations went the approach of bankrupting their studios so that five years down the line they can get back to their net balance of zero. Yup, let's lose money to make money guys, it's totally the same thing as the stock market.
Making less money over a longer period of time + putting your entire financial situation in jeapardy + the genius of neckbeards off /vr = more money

In fact, I'm just gonna borrow a lot of money from someone and when they ask for it, I'm gonna say "Wait, I'll have it all back to you 20 years from now."

>>6325032
that is exactly how american movie studios work. they finance thousands of movies, but only a few really become a hit each year

>>6316798

>spirits within

why the fuck couldnt he just have made an ff7 movie with cloud and sephiroth instead? would've been instant cash.

>>6325032
oh sweet summer child

>>6325071
Have you even seen Advent Children? Just a clusterfuck of anime nonense.

>>6325130
Made for cool music videos though.

>>6316798
>fucks up once ???
what do you mean by this, he had fucked up plenty of times before that movie came out. He is lucky he was only axed

Japanese media as a whole is creatively bankrupt.

>>6325009
Not the anon you're replying to, but he said "kikestarter." So he did mention Jews.

>>6317557
I really enjoyed Last Story.
Pretty linear but it worked for the strange take on a cover shooter with magic. I actually enjoyed a cover shooter for once.
And plenty of enemy variety that kept you on your toes.

>makes the Game and Watch
>invents the d-pad
>creates the game boy
>makes one mistake with the virtualboy and it's let go

>>6325823
>gets hit by car and dies

>>6325829
>gets hit by car and dies
you're forgetting about the part where Nintendo killed him

>>6316798
Yep, and they already fired Tabata after the blunder that was FF15. I hope Nomura is next, but it's unlikely as long as Kingdom Hearts is still a thing.

>>6325843
>the blunder that was FF15
i don't like FF15 but tabata salvaged the project. it was a huge success and made all the money they've sunk into it, including the nomura years, back within days.

>>6323421
Man, now I want a Sakaguchi/Kaga crossover