/vr/ - Retro Games

Her game was fun.

>>6297346
she's latin

because bewbs

tr 1-3 was peak platforming game fun

>>6297362
it was that's why the creator of the reboot is having a meltdown over a petition called #BringBackClassicLara lol

Have you guys played these TRLE'S?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCdXB9SfKFU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOLopf5u5Do

>>6297376
>make shit games
>people prefer the originals
>get upset about it
>PEOPLE SPENT TIME WORKING ON THESE YOU KNOW

>>6297389
we should all sign to see if she ends up killing someone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYdyhfZ4RRA

>>6297389
Blood sweat and tears....

>>6297376
That doesn’t look like a meltdown at all. You’re patting yourself on the back over an asinine hashtag lol.

>>6297380
last i checked i wasted puna but i'll except a rematch!

>>6297376
>600 of 1000 petitions
Talk about pissing in the fucking ocean kek

>>6297409
why is she upset over hashtag? lol fuck off pony bro!

>>6297418
but she's still upset what does she know that you don't... lol

>>6297421
>moving the goalposts
She clearly stated why she’s upset over the hashtag. It’s a slap in the face to the devs who make the nu-TR games.

>>6297425
Is your goal to bring back the old Tomb Raider games or make a women you don’t know personally upset? Lmao.

>>6297445
how is it? the dmc devs didn't complain what are we meant to relate to her more than core? she's part of the problem she herself is bitching about.

>>6297452
a bit both lol
but for real it has nothing to do with her she wasn't even brought up in that petition.

she's the one who stalked nathan mccree the original composers profile!

>>6297376
>Write shitty game that nobody of the pre-existing fandom likes
>Get surprised people from said fandom would like more of the stuff they enjoyed
>Pretend it's fan-base fault that your game was disliked for being TR: In Name Only
Sir Terry is turning in his grave

>>6297465
Christmas is here early!

>>6297465
>Petition being spammed by the same handful of autists on Twitter
>Most fans on Reddit and other forums have already taken a dump on it
>The self-righteous twats championing themselves as saviors to a problem that only exists for them are ridiculed as well
Remember that 4chan is a tiny echo chamber and doesn’t reflect the opinions of the masses.

>>6297492
Remember TRF is an echo chamber Vaskito/Mani_Man whoever, I don't give a fuck.

>>6297503
Neither of those are my username on TRF lol.

>>6297513
Okay pharea or sorasakai or whatever bitch you are I don't actually give a shit you know. I'm already aware your a ponybro, they're examples I'm not wasting my time hunting you either, just making it clear what you are lol.

>>6297517
You’re honest to god mental lol. Wouldn’t surprise me if you need medication.

>>6297492
Nobody gives a fuck about that petition (not to mention it's being boycotted by people that do give a fuck about the game, rather than bunch of Anni kiddies that just want more of that shit).
Yet Rhianna is still chimping out about it.

>>6297528
Mental? I just lumped you with a group of retards. Seems I was more correct than I thought you fucking retarded schizo. Go watch Lara's guard, maybe you'll calm down, fucking idiot.

>>6297548
This is some delicious seethe. Okay keyboard warrior, good luck with the petition.

>>6297549
Huh?
This was nothing to do with the petition, I was just lumping with a bunch of retards. Why are you so sour about it? You're the one who sounds like you got a problem, my second reply to you was clearly fucking humourous get a grip moron.

>>6297470
I want chrismast everyday and milk and tomb raider with good platforming

>>6297529
>nobody gives a fuck
>writer chan feels offended

>>6297608
I doubt she’s even aware it’s more than a hashtag.

>>6297608
Thatsthepoint.jpg.png.gif

>>6297389
Let's be honest here. The classic games were far from perfect. The petition in question is to bring back classic Lara as a character, not necessarily to revive the wonky controls and cheap one hit deaths of the original games. The new TR games actually have decently fun TPS mechanics. It's all derivative as fuck and there's a clear lack of the kind of over the top acrobatics and puzzle solving you'd expect from the franchise, but it's competently made. Apart from the story which is mind blowingly dull and the characterisation of Lara herself as being a completely unlikable and borderline schizophrenic locked in a constant state of exasperation. The petition is to make Lara cool again and that's it. Terry Pratchett's daughter should be blackballed from the business. She's a shite writer and she only got the job because of nepotism.

>>6297612
She literally mentions the petitions. She actively looked to Nathan for it.

True Lara Only Lara

>>6297346
Nice pic.

>>6297731
Thanks classic kun!

>>6297346
that lara is pretty good. Looks as good as my fav lara model, the TR1 cover art lara

>>6297618
the classic games are 10 times better than this reboot shit

>>6297346
one time a girl on okcupid told me that she wanted to do this to me and then never talked to me again, i probably jerked off to the thought of it dozens of times though

>>6297879
I love it when things go off topic like this, it makes for stimulating reasoning!

>>6298123
Haha epic, my fellow retro gamer! Upboat xD!

>>6297389
>>PEOPLE SPENT TIME WORKING ON THESE YOU KNOW

You could say the same of the old games

>>6298239

>>6297618
The big problem with Tomb Raider 1 is level design. The game could be much better with better thought levels and more interesting challenges.
The controls are not so bad, except when you need to make corrections when Lara is stopped. It is ridiculous to step sideways or spin slowly like a tank to do something as trivial as operating a lever.

>>6298264
on the pc she plays much better

What did she mean by this bros?

why are her lips brown though? Is it a pallette thing (got to be same as the hair)?

>>6298498
She means she can't cope

>>6298526
it's called lipstick... and no in the 90s brown lipstick was quite popular

>>6298239
You mean the games which werent making money anymore?

>>6297346
A real sense of adventure and exploring. Decent memorable soundtracks. Creative levels.


>>6297353
When considering her back is to you for 95% of the gameplay, that's not true.

>>6297376
>BUY OUR SHIT WITHOUT BOTHERING TO THINK ABOUT IT! WE HAVE FEELINGS! SO DON'T THINK ABOUT HOW WE SHIT ALL OVER THE FRANCHISE TO MAKE GAMES OUR OWN SPECIAL-SNOWFLAKE WAY!
Fuck that.

>>6299374
Brown and dark red. It was annoying. My sister still wears that crap.

>>6297376
Working hard to take a shit doesn't deserve praise.

>>6298526
Pallatte limitations are not a thing on 5th gen consoles.

>>6297618
>She's a shite writer
Didn’t she write Overlord? These games have a cult following, so maybe she’s not that bad after all? Unless it’s all about the Pikmin-like gameplay. Wouldn’t know, haven’t played them myself to be entirely honest. Terry was the bomb though and I think she helped him with a few stories, so I’m genuiely curious how she is a solo writer. Also, having a famous parent sucks in a way, we both know no matter what she ever does people will still compare her to her father, whether for good or bad.

>>6297346
Call me a faggot but I don't like either. Nu-Lara is a whinging cunt with an Elektra complex whose dialogue is 90% panting and "I have to do this". Old Lara was a bad attempt at fanservice in the days when 3d graphics still looked like cardboard boxes smeared with toilet paper.

Cate Archer is superior to both.

>>6299768
Cate is just generic womens lib pandering to low IQ stooges who are eager to search for a "superior" alternative to something more mainstream thanks to its flavor of witty banter and snide superiority complex wrought from her circumstances and inflection.

The "I'm too smart for sex apeal, I like a woman with brains!" crowd. It also helps nobody knows who she is because her games are rightfully failed lowest common denominator games hailed only by hipsters seeking out hidden gems, so dehydrated for sustenance they call a clod of dirt a diamond.

TL;DR:
You're a mega-faggot.

>>6299794
>generic womens lib pandering to low IQ stooges
He's absolutely right and you're plain fucking nuts.

>>6299768
i don't agree about what you said about classic lara however cate is fucking fantastic

>>6299813
I guess we didn't play the same game then, if you want to know what I'm talking about I recommend watching the cutscenes to save yourself from the awful lithtech gameplay. The preachy "I can do anything you can do better!" self-assured nature of the character is inherently grating. On the nose is putting it too lightly.

That or we have played the same game and in a desperate attempt to save face and protect your wife you've failed to make an argument. You hipster.

>>6299825
>>6299794
Charlie Kirk? Is that you?

>>6299825
Preachy?

>>6297445
They should be slapped in the face.

>>6297456
Tameem was beyond fucking salty at DMC5 existing and DmC being ignored.

>>6299794
>I'm too smart for sex appeal
>First Game literally opens with Cate in the shower

>>6299865
well fuck him he should except that when you go and change a beloved series and mock in the process shit is gonna go down

>>6297376
>this petition is deliberately insulting to the work of the teams involved in the last three games

That's rich coming from a woman who wrote an incel/nerd gamer loser into the game for no reason other than to make him simp for Lara and kill himself to keep her alive.

>>6299768
>>6299794
I think Cate and Lara are really similar. So you're either like or hate them both.

>>6299576
>Brown and dark red
>Annoying

>>6299927
Fuck him indeed, it's hilarious to look at his absolute seething. At some point during DmC's development, he added a character which is a ridiculously petty strawman/caricature of fans of the original games, which should tell you how much he cares about the source material, and give you an idea just how much of an absolute bitch he is.

Oh yeah, and his pitch presentation had him call classic Dante gay, using imagery from Brokeback Mountain, repeatedly stating how gay he is, while pointing out how obviously cool and not-gay Donte is, and how he's the real deal, unlike that faggot fraud, because he's gay and not cool. Not making this up.

>>6297376
typical feminist butthurt

>>6300094
And that shithead of his is a literal self insert mary sue to boot.

>>6297346
I don't really see how the new version is a win for feminism. The game gives you constant ass shots of her and is always moaning. Plus she get's sexually assaulted. I fail to see how she is any better.

>>6300542
Exactly. I think DmC is one of the best examples of bad remakes/reboots/remasters/sequels of the 2010s, and Tam-Tam is that worst kind of irreverent shitbag lead dev, I struggle to think of a bigger shitdick in this context, short of maybe Randy Pitchford.

>>6297376
But they did bring back Classic Lara

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e6VwBRvPfI

>>6298498
>who can light her own damm birthday candles

so she's by herself?

>>6299940
didn't they try to imply he was a pedo with the black chick's daughther?

>>6299991
THIS

>>6300094
It shows how ungrateful and arrogant these people are! if i was hired to do a series i didn't like i wouldn't be insulting the series or the fans
and yeah that never in a million years thing he can fuck off eternally i didn't know he took it further.


P.S. isn't he from Ninja Theory? Pratchett also worked there too i see a common theme here.

>>6300248
lol the petition is still going up

>>6301190
loooooool yeah but not as a cheap skin swap!

>>6299547
it's true you they really overblow the lara is a slut myth

>>6297376
The sheer irony in hailing nu-Laura and its discount Uncharted as a non-problematic series, is how they admit many of the scenes are torture porn to make you "care" about nu-Lara, who's in constant danger of rape or dying while squealing. Then when they toned down that, it became instead commentary about the problematic colonialist aspects of being a tomb rider. Then she ascends to godhood as a literal Mary Sue. That's after "writing her as a lesbian" and a "realistic" psychotic wreck murderer psycho who does the "woe is me" self-pity act all made her too unlikable and flawed so they magically wiped out those flaws. Then there's cutting loosely defined "fanservice" content (like cutscenes referencing events from Classic Lara) and going after mods hosted elsewhere.

Classic Laura was also created as a feminist statement. But she's so different. There, she's a kickass sexy girl who's very professional and no-nonsense about what she does. She's defined first by her skills. She stands her own to mercenaries and maniacs. Natla passes the Beshdel test or whatever. Her games are well designed, helped define the 3D platforming genre, and are well beloved.

>>6300094
Remember that liking DMC5 over DmC is problematic.

>>6301758
Look up Tomb Raider Level Editor. There are people STILL making "new" levels and even entire games out of the original platform. And they're free.

>>6301816
Did some modder finish up Angel of Darkness already? I hate how it killed the franchise, and started the decline ever since the shift to Crystal Dynamics.

>>6301816
yeah but most of them are hot messes

>>6301762
looooool and #BringBackClassicLara is immoral due to the disregard of all the blood sweat and tears that crystal dynamics have poured into the trilogy.

>>6297352
>she's latin
English.

>>6301998
Agreed, I shouldn't have to make toast, bake a cake, or do any sort of cooking just to open some door off somewhere else unless it made sense.

>>6301904
No. Only the PS1-era TRs came with level editors.

>>6302986
LOOOOOOOL Titak would ban you!

>>6303036
U Raider
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcrMnW7qbGc

>>6302986
so many levels never make any sense and some of the music triggers baffle me!

Here are just two reasons why we need #BringBackClassicLara and why we can't rely on TRLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc6x1Ih_pso
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX2u9oPGG1M

>>6297376
>"look she's melting down over this hashtag and petition we started"
Hashtag more like hash fag am I fucking right?

The publishers wipe their ass with your 1000 signatures when sales for even their worst selling games are in the millions. Anybody with a functioning brain knows online petitions are worthless wastes of time. There's still a huge classic TR modding scene.

>>6297376
Don't bully the vidya devs, that's toxic

>>6303771
well actually you have proven my point why is hse so upset over that amount of people?

>>6303771
and it's just started anon it's tomb raider a franchise which is irrelevant even at it's current peak.

>>6303771
Good luck with that. Eidos is now owned by the same Squeenix that openly refuses to make a classic FF with anime-styling and a classic sense of world map. They have that format delegated exclusively to the DQ series.

And Square-Enix is notoriously stubborn with going against fan calls.

>>6297346
God, I wish that was me on the right.
>>6303771
>>6303817
>>6304270
>>6304273
>>6304463

>>6301904
>Angel of Darkness
Have you tried the Polish release of it? It's part of Aragorn pasta and it's solving almost all the bugs that patches and fan-patches could fix.
I mean it's still AoD, the broken mess of a game, but at least it's stable and minor, but annoying flaws have been fixed.

>>6303771
Nigga, literally NOBODY cares about that petition aside a handful of people.
Yet Rhianna still had a meltdown about it. We are talking about getting your ass blasted not by the negative reaction to games she helped create counted in hundreds of thousands of negative fan reviews, but a petition that had less than 500 signatures when she wrote her post.
It's literally modern equivalent of the infamous "Dear negative reader" letter by Laurell Hamilton (the one writing those terrible Anita Blake books). Look it up, if you are too young to remember that stuff.

>>6297352
>she

All these recent reboots are at the expense of long time fans and supporters. Selling out to the larger casual market is a deliberate tactic they take. STOP FEEDING THEM MONEY. Let them fall flat on their face. So one day they might remember we exist.

>>6304808
>STOP FEEDING THEM MONEY
Have you ever considered the fact that people actually like the new games? They’ll make bank with or without your autismo bucks. You’re a puddle thinking it’s an ocean.

>>6304808
>every fan of old Lara MUST hate the reboot
Get fucked desu

>>6304825
Didn't the last one do really badly?

>>6304837
No. Sales were slow in the beginning, but it still managed to do really well.

>>6304574
nobody cares about the reboot classic tr fans are like battered wives who don't even dare to promote it because it's sooooooooo "embarrassing/cringe"

they fear being attacked for liking the original if squeenix switched back nobody would remember the reboot.

>>6304859
with how many price reductions? it's been the same thing with this trilogy each entry!

>>6304574
why are you and rhi so upset with this pathetic petition?

you are kinda foaming at the mouth.

>>6304994
The reboot has eclipsed the original in terms of popularity and revenue at this point.

>>6305056
>>6305056
>The reboot has eclipsed the original in terms of popularity and revenue at this point.
Adjust for population growth, globalisation and inflation and see what happens

>>6305056
in your fucking dreams kek

>>6305063
I did. Old TR didn’t survive for a reason.

>>6305064
Ya cope.

>>6305056
in terms of popularity? but still nu lara's look is not iconic nor are her games she couldn't even compete against uncharted which is a rip of the og tomb raider

>>6305065
it didn't survive due to that lame lau trilogy with walk in a straight line gameplay and mommy's dead storyline.

nu lara has failed to make a true impact she never sells at full price only when the price reductions begin.

>>6305069
You need to browse sites other than 4chan. Nu-Lara is super popular with normies and Old Lara only gets brought up when people talk about le retro gaemz. Muh high school years.

>>6305068
at the end of the day petition or no petition it won't stay the way it is now the storyline and the girl will go you know this

>>6305073
Old Lara stopped making money well before the LAU Trilogy.

>only when the price reductions begin
This is some nice head canon.

>>6305075
only because old lara hasn't been around for years if they switched back and 8 years go by no one will remember the survivor trilogy!

>>6305080
the angel of darkness was a buggy unfinished mess one major flop and chronicles at the end of the ps1s lifespan

and that's when the movie came out that did well and honestly made angelina into a superstar as for alicia....

>>6305080
do you truly believe that this lara will be the one who stays?

>>6305068
go back

>>6305105
Yes.

>>6305134
No.

>>6305213
i can't help the delusional

>>6297618
The new games are complete brainless dogshit that apes Uncharted, another low IQ movie game. The worst classic TR is still better than the best reboot TR.

>>6305847
Imagine actually believing this. Embarrassing.

>>6297618
Wow there's so much wrong with this post I don't even know where to begin.

> The petition in question is to bring back classic Lara as a character, not necessarily to revive the wonky controls and cheap one hit deaths of the original games.
No, the petition itself is completely in reference to the play style of the originals. You'd have to be a batshit inbred retard to believe other-wise, seeing as the nu-trilogy is just hubworlds interspersed between long, narrow, cut-scene-ridden, set-piece designed, cover shooting corridors. When people say "Bring back classic Lara", they mean not being explicitly guided along corridors with occasional QTE's as gameplay. They want genuine platforming where they have full control over Lara. They want to be able to perform some level of acrobatics instead of fumbling and crashing into everything like a clutz. As for the controls of the original games, they were only "wonky" if you were a spastic dipshit who somehow didn't have the IQ to correlate the direction Lara was facing with the directional Pad controls. She moved fluidly, realistically, and consistently. You could predict how she would land, what she would do all with relative ease. THAT is what people loved and why her games sold millions-gang-busters. Quit pretending like it wasn't.

>TR games actually have decently fun TPS mechanics
Cool, but Tomb Raider was never a Third Person Shooter, it was an action adventure platforming puzzle solver. It's why she automatically targeted enemies, and aiming at them was last. She wasn't Duke Nukem, she was Indiana Jones.

>She's a shite writer and she only got the job because of nepotism.
That I can agree with.

>>6297352
>Shes was meant to be a latina in early production
By this logic shes really a man because she was meant to be an indiana jones ripoff first.

>>6305068
Objectively wrong.

>>6305065
>didn't survive for a reason
Original Lara went on for 6 games in the main entry. Nu-Raider could barely squeeze out 3. You tell me which one "survived", faggot.

>>6297346
*AHEM* Well, lets see

>insta-death traps that filter casuals
>combat that's designed to be simple and streamlined but still has a level of depth that veterans of the series appreciate
>can jump, dive, swim, ride vehicles, climb, and swing from ropes, extremely versatile allowing for wildly varying degrees of platforming
>puzzles don't revolve around everything in the room being highlighted while she tells you how to solve it and instead relies on your figuring out what to do
>game will not apologize for you wasting ammo
>enemies involve more than just wolves, bears, and people, expands through the entire bestiary of the world and mythology and creates new ones
>tons of secrets while exploring that takes skill or wit to find

I appreciate what the devs did in keeping the franchise alive, but it's time for them to fuck off with their feminist SJW bullshit.

>>6297352
"She" was designed as a man first, so show some respect to Him.

>>6299747

Underrated post. Also, coof.

>>6305909
fuck off normie

>>6306661
thank god someone who has a brain!

>>6306671
three in eight years!

>>6305909
How is he wrong? The new ones are brain dead.

>>6306956
correct

What platform is best for Tomb Raider 4?

>>6307117
Dreamcast.

>>6307118
>>6307117

It was also on PS1 and PC

>>6306884
lol

>>6297376
>meldown
>single post on social media
>not even saying anything too controversial
sure thing brosky

>>6306661
Nu-Lara is shit because of the gameplay AND the story. The obsession with removing anything sexy or appealing about Lara comes at a distant third.

The gameplay is aping Uncharted. Badly. It has no identity of its own, unlike the original series where you raid tombs. They tried to fix this later with "optional raidable tombs"
The story is unappealing by design.
The character is an unlikable wimp.

Any attempts at fanservice were removed. Not only the attire, but even plot points and entire zones and cutscenes removed because they're a throwback to classic Lara. It goes beyond chasing market trends or listening to rainbow hair PR, but well into willful subversion of an existing franchise because it's too well liked, including "problem audiences". Whatever was left was cut down further to size with typical modern intersectional feminism snatching problems from the jaws of the mundane.

2013 reboot sold 8.5 millions.
Second was Xbone exclusive and underperformed.
Third was multiplatform and still did worse than the Xbone launch.

>>6308552
ok cuck

>>6308552
>deliberately insulting
>antagonism
>hurtful
>god knows I am reminded (of this) on a regular basis

"like it in silence you monsters, you're hurting me" over the existence a petition. totally took it with cool gusto and sure showed em, eh fellow le dudebrosky kiddo mate, amirite lel? XD x5

>>6309210
>>6309219
fragile snowflakes

>>6299830
Kirk is a ZOG shill.

>>6309219
>Started 1 month ago
>Can’t even get a measly 1k signatures
OH NO NO NO NO WE GOT TOO COCKY CLASSIC BROS

>>6309206
didn't the third nu-lara game get bad press because it was trying to go back to the old formula, and even tried connecting itself up to the original games with puzzles, sex appeal etc?

The second nulara game was so god damm boring compared to the first one, so I'm wondering if the third one is worth playing.

>>6309206
>Any attempts at fanservice were removed. Not only the attire, but even plot points and entire zones and cutscenes removed because they're a throwback to classic Lara.

Any proof of this? Since in Rise and Shadow of the Tomb Raider there's some explicit references to the previous games, specifically costumes that you can wear in the style of the old Tomb Raider games. In Rise I basically played through the whole game wearing Lara's antarctic uniform from Tomb Raider 3. Also in Rise, there's the Venice song that you can find in the library and play on an old gramaphone.

>>6309206
>2013 sold 8.5 million
As of right now, it's sold 11 million, as for Rise, it's only sold 7 million, the opposite direction compared to Tomb Raider 1 and Tomb Raider 2, and then Shadow only sold around 4.1 million, which is more than just underperforming, it bombed, for a game that cost over 100 million dollars to make.

>>6305085
I only wish for the second movie, they followed more of the plot of the second game, primarily with Bartoli and more underwater adventuring. would've been neat to see a big budget studio release mostly focused on scuba-diving, underwater caves/wreckages, and wind-swept tibetan mountains.

>>6310118
You're talking about Shadow right? Where to begin...
>say you're going back to the original formula
>still keep the games progression unlocks and RPG system that is based almost entirely around combat
>still keep most of the platforming along scripted linear corridors
>also throw in even more over SJW garbage, IE:
*Lara is the "bad guy" that triggers the apocalypse while Trinity at the "good guys"
*Trinity is basically run by some native guy
*All the quests revolve around talking with the local populace who complain about the colonial first worlders paying them to do actual work
*Game constantly reminds you of how fun it could be but then ignores balance, pacing, and sense of adventure with exhausting amounts of cutscenes, constantly taking agency away from the player, and making most puzzles in the game a chore to get through
*Game literally ends with Lara saying it's not her place to solve ancient mysteries but to protect them
*Game literally tries to make you feel bad for exploring tombs and finding ancient relics by having Lara constantly talk about how magnificent and amazing they are and then proceeding to destroy them
>the hours you spend doing quests, finding useless garbage, to upgrade stats, find materials to build new outfits (which all amount to ugly looking tribal garbage anyway), and upgrade your weapons is tossed into the trash can since you can't use guns during tribal sections and you can only wear specific tribal outfits in those sections as well

Shadow was a god awful shit show. The only reason it got as good of reviews as it is did was because it was pretty to look at and it appealed to a lot of the SJW bullshit a lot of game reviewer sites are fond of now.

>>6310118
You're talking about Shadow right? Where to begin...
>say you're going back to the original formula by removing lots of combat
>still keep the games progression unlocks and RPG system that is based almost entirely around combat
>still keep most of the platforming along scripted linear corridors with no actual exploration
>also throw in even more overly SJW garbage, IE:
*Lara is the "bad guy" that triggers the apocalypse while Trinity are the "good guys"
*Trinity is basically run by some native guy
*Retcon half the previous two games' setup and storyline in order to sell this stupid fucking story about Lara fighting against a Native trying to save his people to make villainize the character you've been building upon for the past 8 years
*All the quests revolve around talking with the local populace who complain about the colonial first worlders paying them to do work
*Game constantly reminds you of how fun it could be but then ignores balance, pacing, and sense of adventure with exhausting amounts of cutscenes, constantly taking agency away from the player, and making most puzzles in the game a chore to get through
*Game literally ends with Lara saying it's not her place to solve ancient mysteries but to protect them
*Game literally tries to make you feel bad for exploring tombs and finding ancient relics by having Lara constantly talk about how magnificent and amazing they are and then proceeding to destroy them
>the hours you spend doing quests, finding useless garbage, to upgrade stats, find materials to build new outfits (which all amount to ugly looking tribal garbage anyway), and upgrade your weapons is tossed into the trash can since you can't use guns during tribal sections and you can only wear specific tribal outfits in those sections as well

Shadow was a shit show. The only reason it got as good reviews as it is did was because it was pretty to look at and it appealed to a lot of the SJW bullshit a lot of game reviewer sites are fond of now.

>>6299747
Tell that to Anglos.

>>6310494
Not sure what you mean by this.

>>6305056
>>6305075
nu-Lara is literally nobody. The whole "brand recognition" lies on Core-era games and Jolie movies, despite both of those being in their 20s.
Also, TR2 still sold better than any of the games, unless we are talking raw units. You know, inflation and fuck-huge revenue of TR2.

>>6310118
The second nu-Raider was so damn boring and rethreading literally everything from the "first" one, I dropped the franchise.
AoD didn't beat me, Cradle of Life didn't beat me, TopCow losing license didn't beat me, Anni didn't beat me, but first nu-Raider shaked my conviction and the second made me utterly indifferent to whatever follows with the franchise.
I would also like to point out certain Aussie predicting right when first nu-Raider came out that they are going to do some retarded trilogy, where the 2nd game will just barely move forward from the 1st and in the third they will go full apeshit retarded trying to wrap everything up, fail and end up being forced to either discontinue the franchise, or reboot once fucking more. Guess what fucking happend, point by fucking point.

>>6310534
Which Aussie would that be?

>>6310118
Also, regarding this bit
>didn't the third nu-lara game get bad press because it was trying to go back to the old formula, and even tried connecting itself up to the original games with puzzles, sex appeal etc?
It got bad press, because of following factors:
- 3rd game in a row doing the same shit, without zero improvement
- people being tired of "press W/forward to pass through this super-tense cutscene No. 7346"
- the massive clusterfuck with Black Friday sales, where everyone who bought the game on the premiere 3 weeks earlier got essentially fucked right in the ass with a rusty rebar, as the game was fucking -35% off within first 20 fucking day
So the shitstorm that followed pretty much ruined any standing the "series" (nu-Raider, not the whole brand) had up until then. Shame it took people three fucking games to realise, rather than the first one and it's "muh gritty realism, let's mow down some army now, oh, the horror of killing"

>>6310542
The fake one, with the funny hat

>>6310547
Still have literally no idea who you're referring to.

>>6310543
Having played Shadow, it DID change Lara's character in how she acted a bit. She was more predatorial and seemed more experienced. It was all thrown out the window for a bait-and-switch scene where she thinks Jonah died and went full Jason on everyone. Then she finds out he's alive and breaks down. Then everything immediately goes back to her being like she was in Rise.

>>6310504
The whole Anglo-Saxon "get prise for trying, regardless of final result", especially prominent in case of Americans. It's also leaking into mid-management in corpo environment, so considering all factors, guess why Rhianna got sad that people aren't praising her for "just trying".
I'm always confused how the hell she managed to get into writing. Daddy's surname is one thing, but holy fucking shit, why even bother hiring someone who consistently writes the exact same characters each and every fucking time and re-threads the same plot points? And I'm not talking just nu-Raider, I'm talking all her output, both literature and vidya. You could actually save money by not hiring her and just follow a clear-cut formula she's using in ALL her works.
Yet people are bad for pointing out that "just trying" doesn't mean you deserve a cookie.

>>6310552
He's obviosuly talking about Yahtzee. He was one of the bigger nay-sayers from the """"big name"""" reviewers that shat consistently on 2d reboot games by pointing out how bland and out of any originality they are, apong blindly Uncharted and following commitee focus decisions.

>>6310562
>The whole Anglo-Saxon "get prise for trying, regardless of final result", especially prominent in case of Americans.
Try "the whole of Western civilization". Sweden is far more cucked in regards to that than anglo's ever were.

>>6310552
>She changed
>But she actually didn't
So basically she just switched the "I'm now murderous machine for next 30 minutes" switch? The same that was placed three times in TR'13? The same that was placed twice in Rise? Wow, such character growth! I can't wait to see nu-Lara finally getting her shit together in the 12th game of the nu-Raider continui... oh, right, there won't even be a 4th one.

>>6310574
>Try "the whole of Western civilization"
Try again

>>6310568
Yea, but Yahtzee is a fucking meme. He's autistically triggered into hating or loving a game over really menial shit. I stopped watching his videos when I turned 18.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgUFAAi7HiQ

He sums it up better than I assume Yahtzee ever will.

>>6310562
>I'm always confused how the hell she managed to get into writing. Daddy's surname
You put this together yourself.
That's literally all she needed, especially since Sir Terry was still alive and relatively well when she started. None of her games failed, so from publisher's point of view, she's bankable on this. And since she does herself a lot of fuss about doing "mature wrting" (if you are 12, then it can pass as such), it's further added bonus in the decade we just finished. After all, what's more woke than getting her and making your brand woke too?

>>6310587
Dunno, don't care about e-celebs. I'm just pointing out he predicted it all back in '13, two weeks after nu-Raider hit stores (and it wasn't even then considered a material for trilogy, just a solo game).

>>6310587
And as for talking genuine issues with TR and nu-Raider gameplay, instead of fellating some reviewer, try this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQRr3pXxsGo

>>6310582
Why, when I was right the first time?

In regards to self-cucking, Sweden, Germany, France, and Denmark are a million miles more self-flagellating than the US. For one, the US elected a President who nationally pronounces people as "losers".

>>6310594
He literally says everything they said in that video and more, so I don't see why you need to cringely try and posture as if I'm giving him some special treatment. His video was simply spot on in regards to summing up the new series and the original. Not my problem if you think I'm trying to boost him.

>>6310592
> I'm just pointing out he predicted it all back in '13
I think we all saw the direction it was heading. Especially since they were obvious about trying to make it a trilogy from the start.

>>6310601
>Here is my reviewer
>Just listen him up
>No, I'm not posturing him, cringe yikes seethe!

>>6310595
Anon, nobody said anything about self-flagellation.
Quite the contrary. It was about "you tried, you deserve a praise, because effort is more important than results". That's Anglo stuff and contrary to what you might think, not just American one. In case of Americans, it just goes to extreme.

I just want to be with Lara

>>6310614
>here is my reviewer
>my reviewer

How big of a faggot are you exactly that you expect people assume allegiance to one single source? Besides that faggy video you linked to is just identical to mine but without all the pretentious pomposity to pretend it's more than just someone's shitty youtube video.

>>6310619
>and contrary to what you might think, not just American one. In case of Americans, it just goes to extreme.
So, I can see you lack the ability to use grammar properly.

>and contrary to what you might think, not just American one.
First off, no, it wouldn't be "contrary" to what I might think because I never solely Americans. I don't know what you intended to say, but that's what you were saying. Secondly:

>In case of Americans, it just goes to extreme.
That's hilariously delusional. Once again, Sweden is the "winrar is you" of the entire world. No other first world western country lacks as many safety nets as the US. If you fail, you fail hard.

>>6310619
>and contrary to what you might think, not just American one. In case of Americans, it just goes to extreme.
So, I can see you lack the ability to use grammar properly.

>and contrary to what you might think, not just American one.
First off, no, it wouldn't be "contrary" to what I might think because I never said "solely Americans". I don't know what you intended to say, but that's what you were saying. Secondly:

>In case of Americans, it just goes to extreme.
That's hilariously delusional. Once again, Sweden is the "winrar is you" of the entire world. No other first world western country lacks as many safety nets as the US. If you fail, you fail hard.

>>6310594
>instead of fellating some reviewer
>let me fellate this glorified reviewer who is trying desperately not to look or sound like some reviewer

kek, quit shilling your shitty youtube channel Mark.

>>6310592
But he was wrong. The problem with Lara wasn't that she never changed, it was that she never changed in ways that she was supposed to, or logically driven to do so. By the second game, she was no longer afraid of killing, by the third game she actively employed predator tactics to kill tacticool jungle soldiers, and you saw her grow more and more confident.

The problem is she never grew to feel like she was in control of herself/situation. She always felt constantly overwhelmed, as if she was just barely scraping by instead of being some badass warrior/adventurer like the game was implying she would become. She kept getting knocked around, inadvertently getting lucky while climbing and escaping and running from disaster with the most convenient methods of escape rather than her own skill and wits keeping her alive.

The problem was she never became more than an underpowered Domino, who seemed to get by on nothing besides luck each time a building collapsed, or an tower fell, or whatever. In all 3 games you felt like you had next to no personal agency in the outcome of events, more like you were swept up in them. Lara never became the self-confident, always in control, acrobatic badass that she had always been.

>>6310592
But he was wrong. The problem with Lara wasn't that she never changed, it was that she never changed in ways that she was supposed to, or logically driven to do so. By the second game, she was no longer afraid of killing, by the third game she actively employed predator tactics to kill tacticool jungle soldiers, and you saw her grow more and more confident.

The problem is she never grew to feel like she was in control of herself/situation. She always felt constantly overwhelmed, as if she was just barely scraping by instead of being some badass warrior/adventurer like the game was implying she would become. She kept getting knocked around, inadvertently getting lucky while climbing and escaping and running from disaster with the most convenient methods of escape rather than her own skill and wits keeping her alive.

The problem was she never became more than an underpowered Domino, who seemed to get by on nothing besides luck each time a building collapsed, or a tower fell, or whatever. In all 3 games you felt like you had next to no personal agency in the outcome of events, more like you were swept up in them. Lara never became the self-confident, always in control, acrobatic badass that she had always been.

>>6309206
>Second was Xbone exclusive and underperformed.
Rise was on Xbox 360 too. Damn impressive feat.

Old Tomb Raider is better because not only is the character cooler and sexier, the levels felt cohesive in themselves but also the tank controls and tile-based gameplay gave you precision. It wasn't perfect and there were some bullshit jumps, and TRIII has the worst level design, but you at least felt somewhat in control.
Also, mowing down human enemies in cover-based sections just feels completely out of place.

>>6306705
>game will not apologize for you wasting ammo
That reminds me. When I finished TR1 for the first time, I used the pistols the whole time because I didn't know how to use the Uzis (I was 7 back then). Then my brother told me about the Uzis right before the fight with Natla. Must have had like 900 bullets for it.

>>6313409
>and TRIII has the worst level design

From an objective standpoint, Tomb Raider 3 has some of the better level design in the whole series, with multiple pathways you can choose from, harder-to-find secrets, and puzzles that are significantly more involved, on top of the new weather and environmental effects that all add to a better atmosphere such as colored lighting, fog, rain, and snow, and volumetric fire.

>>6313831
... it also had London, anon.

>>6310431
imagine being such a chud you feel the need to cape for virtual colonialism

>>6313894
South Pacific and India were amazing. London is also over-hyped. Only really bad level is Aldwych, mostly due to the fact that you activate switches and it doesn't tell you what it does, and the layout is a fucking mess.

Thames Wharf is good, Lud's Gate isn't anywhere near as bad as people say it is, and City is a short boss level. Lud's Gate does feel like it goes on for fucking ever though.

>>6306671
You should read the developer interviews over at Core Design. They were pressured to shit out each TR game in least than a year after the last one.

>>6314196
>You should read the developer interviews over at Core Design.
I have.

>They were pressured to shit out each TR game in least than a year after the last one.
And they became classics that sold millions and are still remembered today and created a legacy, what's your fucking point?

>>6314196
Doom 2 was "shit out" literally a year after Doom 1, and it gets praised all the time. Your forced wording in an attempt at 'poisoning the well' does nothing to devalue the original series, faggot.

>>6314221
Oh look at this big boy, remembering terms from debate class. Everyone give him a round of applause.

>>6314292
Glad to see you've abandoned what little argument you previously had.

>>6312987
This. For three games I kept being told of how she was "becoming the Tomb Raider", but she just never fucking does.

>>6314193
Thames Wharf was for me just as bad as Aldwych. And the only engaging part of whole London is the boss fight. I can't imagine how bad it would be if All Hallow's would end up being in the game.

>>6314196
>Newfag thinking he has some breaking news to share
Could you at least not expose yourself so blatantly as someone who only learned about TR with nu-Raider, because you weren't even born when Core games came out?

>>6314221
You do realise what you just said, right? Doom was made on a dedicated engine that ID software built from the ground up so of course they could "shit out" a masterpiece in way less than a year. You are comparing a 2D DOS game that has a pseudo-3D engine to ps1 games developed with ps1 dev kits with fully 3D rendered graphics

>>6297346
not enough art of lara in bondage posted

>>6316614
>2D

First off, Doom was 3D. Yea, enemies and items were sprites, but Doom's engine ran in a 3D space. Doomguy could hit his head on ceilings and you can dodge underneath projectiles. Secondly, Tomb Raider's engine was also built from the ground up.

You are a retard.

>>6316245
>I can't imagine how bad it would be if All Hallow's would end up being in the game.

It was in the game. It was a secret level you unlocked by missing almost none of the secrets in the entire game.

>>6316249
The funny thing is that he thinks a developer pushing games out yearly is anything new, especially in the 90's, lmao.

Look at Rareware's catalogue of games. They developed Donkey Kong Country 2, Killer Instinct 2, Donkey Kong Country 3, GoldenEye 007, Diddy Kong Racing, Banjo-Kazooie, Jet Force Gemini, Donkey Kong 64, and Perfect Dark all within a 5 year period, and that's leaving out some of their other less well-known titles and ports that they all individually developed and released. Game studios in the 90's commonly put out multiple games a year. I don't know what that retard is thinking when he thinks 10 months was a short dev time for a game in the 90's, it was super fucking long. In fact, during the development of Tomb Raider sequels, they also developed and released Fighting Force, Ninja: Shadow of Darkness, and Fighting Force 2. None of their other projects gained steam because Tomb Raider was consistently the best they had.

Not to mention all the other games with yearly sequels, like Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, and Mario Party. Kind of a laughably naive children's understanding of the industry if you ask me.

>>6316249
The funny thing is that he thinks a developer pushing games out yearly is anything new, especially in the 90's, lmao.

Look at Rareware's catalogue of games. They developed Donkey Kong Country 2, Killer Instinct 2, Donkey Kong Country 3, GoldenEye 007, Diddy Kong Racing, Banjo-Kazooie, Jet Force Gemini, Donkey Kong 64, and Perfect Dark all within a 5 year period, and that's leaving out some of their other less well-known titles and ports that they all individually developed and released. Game studios in the 90's commonly put out multiple games a year. I don't know what that dumb kid is thinking when he thinks 10 months was a short dev time for a game in the 90's, it was super fucking long. In fact, during the development of Tomb Raider sequels, they also developed and released Fighting Force, Ninja: Shadow of Darkness, and Fighting Force 2. None of their other projects gained steam because Tomb Raider was consistently the best they had.

Not to mention all the other games with yearly sequels, like Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, and Mario Party. Kind of a laughably naive children's understanding of the industry if you ask me.

>>6318553
My point was if it wasn't a secret level, but just regular part of London. So you would have London that's even longer than it is and with even more of terrible shit in it.
TR3 is fine. India and South Pacific are fucking great, Antarctica is hit-and-mis and Nevada is meh. But London... London is such massive detriment to the whole game it's dragging it down with its shitness
And All Hallow's as a regular level would made it even worse

wouldn't know only jerk off to powerpuff girls

>>6318605
This. If you look at iD Software, famed for computer FPS; Wolfenstein 3D came out May 1992, Doom came out December 1993, then Doom 2 in October 1994, Quake was new and complex technology which took longer, releasing in June 1996, then Quake 2 in December 1997, and Quake 3 in December 1999, and this doesn't include the expansions and levelpacks Wolfenstein 3D, Doom 2, Quake, and Quake 2 were getting (some which were quite good). iD were also releasing some Commander Keen games in 1990 and 1991.
This very busy schedule of well received games is probably a real big reason why Dai-Katana taking like 3 years and coming out quite underwhelming was considered one of the biggest goofs in the industry (how little we knew).

A developer putting out a game a year, or every other year, it really was quite common in the 90s.