/vr/ - Retro Games

I like original hardware because the boot screen is the coolest

Doesn't matter what year it is, it'll always be original hardware with a CRT

>>6306567
this

>>6306567
I give most CRTs 10 more years before most need serious repair that will render them useless.
>>6306570
the only way to play burned disks or english patches like ace combat 3 on PS2 is via a difficult 20 wire modchip.

>>6306574
>I give most CRTs 10 more years
I have a trinitron from the mid 80s that has thousands of hours on it, still going strong. My JVC made in 2000 will probably last my lifetime.

>>6306547
Emulating on a PC with hi-res, supersampling, shaders, etc.

>>6306574
Will you be old enough to post here by then?

>>6306547
Mi reset button doesn't work anymore :(

Fat PS2 39001 model with component on a CRT

>>6306550
What a homo

>>6306547
On a PS1

>>6306610
>I don’t have autism
>It's 2020, what's the best way to play PS1 games?

>>6306547
Either on a consumer CRT with real hardware (extremely soul and hides most texture warping) or in an emulator with texture warping removed at a high resolution. This is my policy for all 3D /vr/ systems.

>>6306561
This. The boot screen is literally 50% of the console experience.

>>6306547
>It's 2020, what's the best way to play PS1 games

the same way it's always been, on a couch with your bros

>>6308340
This man speaks the simple truth

>>6306547
PSP/Vita
You do not need dedicated retrogaming crt and small screen makes em look not shit.

What's the best way to backup games on original hardware (PS1)?

>>6309527
Mayumi mod chip and burned CD-Rs

>>6309531
>burned CD-Rs
No way to play games through an SD card or USB? CDs aren't that expensive so I suppose it isn't that bad.
Thanks Anon

>>6309547
If you have the original fat model with the serial port in the back, you can buy a PSIO, but it requires an extremely difficult internal mod (compared to the mayumi) from what I've seen. Definitely not suitable for beginners. You can always pay someone to do it for you, but that's no fun.

>>6309554
>You can always pay someone to do it for you
Is this still a thing? I want to chip my PS2 for backups so I can get PS1 over component for modern TVs but that 20 wire mod is just beyond my abilities.
I was able to install a mayumi with relatively no problem but that shit's easy as fuck compared to soldering directly on chip legs for the PS2.

I settled for just using RGB SCART on my chipped PS1 and pic related until I get an OSSC.

I really wish there was a PS2 chip that's only for PS1 backups. It would be much simpler to install probably.
There's no reason to chip a PS2 for PS2 backups, OPL works with a good 90% of games and the rest that don't like Sly1 work with ESR. Chipping is literally relevant for PS1 mode.

I don't trust emulation past the fourth gen. The complexity of hardware after that point demands a lot of attention to detail that amateur programmers just aren't willing to invest, so we often end up with half-measured solutions that produce many jarring inaccuracies or rely on external plugins for all GPU functions. But assuming someone did manage to produce an accurate PS1 emulator, the system requirements would certainly be too outrageous to be practical.

Used PS1 hardware should range between USD$5 - $20 a pop, depending on your country. They'll cost more online due to shipping, but local pawn shops that still stock retro hardware should have plenty of units to unload. As for video connections, the best you can achieve is S-video or SCART. S-video isn't too bad, assuming you aren't attempting to play on a 70" HDTV that's going to impose a ton of input latency in the process of upscaling the signal. Do you have an old CRT television set stuffed in a closet somewhere, or a smaller LCD TV? Either would be fine. My PSOne is currently connected to a small LCD via S-video, and I can at least vouch that input latency is not an issue with this setup.

>>6309751
>Is this still a thing?
Yeah, I assume its mostly an online thing now. I see quite a few youtubers advertising their modding services.

Honestly, I'm not gonna bother with hardware mods for the PS2. Once they get PS1 isos working on OPL, I'll migrate. Until then, I'm fine with using burned CDs.

>>6309829
>Once they get PS1 isos working on OPL, I'll migrate. Until then, I'm fine with using burned CDs.
It'll never happen. The PS1 CPU is used as a storage controller. PS1 mode will only ever work using CD's.

How are you playing backups? Swapping?

>>6309832
Chipped psone

My ps1 is a fat boy, no disk swap for me

>>6309836
*my ps2 I mean

>>6309837
You can get a swap tool and swap with the fats actually.
but I'm using the same setup. Chipped PS1 because it's just impossible to have a decent physical ps1 collection nowadays. Everything is too expensive and disks tend to be scratched to shit more often than not.

I would pay like 100 bucks for an easier way to use backups on the fat PS2 that didn't involve advanced solder surgery or wrecking my drive (and that still needs an original disk)
popstarter doesn't count by the way, shit compatibility and accuracy.

>>6309819
A working Nintendo 64 where I live costs the same as a PS4 or more. Not everyone lives in the USA anon.

>>6309842
>A working Nintendo 64 where I live costs the same as a PS4 or more.

Ditto here in the U.S. But we aren't talking about N64 hardware.

If all else fails, you can import NTSC consoles from other countries. It should be possible to rig them to modern digital TV sets since they don't care about signal source, provided you can plug the console into a mains somehow. I assume there are converters for this purpose.

>>6309841
I was pretty pissed when I realized popstarter wasnt a true replacement for a PS1. Its whatever, I got a Dreamcast I burn games for, so I'm used to it. Its kinda nostalgic too, but I'm gonna defo drop it once when get backup loading without sacrificing the drive.

>>6306547
I know PS3 plays PS1 discs just find too. Don't know about PS4, though.
All of that is a moot point though, because >>6306561

>>6306547
Not the best way, but for me it's adroid smartphone

>>6309819
Here's the ultimate PS1 redpill for our dark modern times:
>RGB scart cable $5
>RGB to hdmi box $15-$20 >>6309751
>mayumi v4 $5
Eliminates almost all problems modern shit TVs have with 240p over digital, while also having minimal (but still not 0) lag. Lower than the PS3 emulator and MUCH lower than plugging composite into your TV while also looking much better.
PS1 doesn't rely on analog output fuckery for some effects like the SNES and megadrive.
Since it's all 480i you won't get sync drops with silent hill either.
A solution like the OSSC has 0 lag but at the same time most modern tvs get fucked by 240p over a digital output, so you end up with a setup that doesn't work or you'll still get lag from your TV's shitty upscaler.
480i is a standard tv resolution so you won't run into that and there's not as many lag issues on the TV side, especially when you output it digitally with an upscaler vs using component or composite directly.

I keep bitching about it but if the fucking PS2 didn't have such stringing copy protection it would be a fantastic option as well because of that native 240p over component support that looks great even with $5 cables. But you'll still run into lag issues that come with analog -> digital conversion on TVs.
Using pic related you can reduce that to a known 2-3 frames vs unknown lag your TV or monitor adds.
>>6309876
Get a GDEMU

>>6309956
>Get a GDEMU
I wanna keep my drive tho. I'm fine with waiting for something better.

>>6308340
Why not an extremely accurate emulator like Mednafen on a CRT at native res?

>>6308340
pretty much this here

Not the PS5 it seems.

>>6309956
While I personally have a positive experience with pic related and it works great for me, be warned I have heard lots of people complain about theirs dying after a few weeks or theirs not outputting RGB for some reason.

a few tips to anyone who might consider getting one:
- it has no off switch and does get hot, so unplug it when not in use
- 1080p mode has quite a lot of input lag, 720p mode has way less lag and is actually useable depending how sensitive you are to lag (for me I don’t notice it much)
- it has PC resolution modes like 800x800 so you can use it with PC monitors if you have a hdmi to vga adaptor
- again you could end up with a defective model that only outputs composite signal (mine works fine but be warned)

considering it’s only $25 it’s a decent little thing and the picture quality is very nice, it’s no xrgb mini mind you but the picture is still a very noticeable upgrade

>>6310059
man I am super bummed out the PS5 won’t have PS1&2 compatibility, that was the only thing that made me want one, but hearing goths rumors were bogus killed it for me, I would’ve bought one only so I could play PS1&2 games

>>6309751
you can install ps1-modchips in a ps2 too, there was a thread on assemblergames (rip) for that.
just needed four wires, but you'd have to deal without having their stealth-feature.

plus i'm 99% sure that scart2hdmi-converter is just converting composhit

>>6310110
>goth
*the

what the hell auto correct?

>>6309751
you can install ps1-modchips in a ps2 too, there was a thread on assemblergames (rip) for that.
just needed three (or four) wires, and I don't know if it supports games with antimod that way.

plus i'm 99% sure that scart2hdmi-converter is just converting composhit

>>6310123
It takes RGB input.
>>6309751
does the 3.5mm jack buzz? I like using headphones

>>6309882
PS4 does not read CDs unfortunately. PS3 I have mixed feelings on due to some weird scaling it does.

>>6306547
Original PS1 or PS2 o with RGB/Component on a CRT.
For popular games getting expensive, just download the ISOs and either get a PSIO (for PS1), Free McBoot (for PS2) or install a modchip and burn the disc on a CD-R.

>>6306547
Beetle PSX (the Libretro Port of Mednafen) if your computer can run it.
>High levels of accuracy where it matters.
>Support for higher resolutions, supersampling, CRT filters, and PGXP (a feature set that, in compatible games, gets rid of the wobbly polygons and textures).
>Supports OpenGL and Vulkan renderers (choose the latter if you can).
>Supports Dynarec, allowing slower systems to run the emulator that couldn't do it before (it's still WIP though so it won't be compatible with everything).