/vr/ - Retro Games

On SWITCH? Fucking Nintendo!
Just kidding.
I wonder if it's a good remake. What about Panzer Dragoon II?

I'm not particularly fond of the whole soul vs soulless meme but the original is so much more visually appealing it hurts so what's the point of this desu

>>6290101
It's getting released on Steam and XBone as well

Can't wait for the PC release so I can mod some color back in

Hope it does well enough to get the sequels greenlit

>>6290101
>>6290112
SEGA announced both remakes of 1 and Zwei at the same time. So hopefully if they sell more than ten copies we can finally have a remake of Saga. Please, SEGA, just fucking do it. Get that game off the Saturn.

>>6290114
If its a remake then the game is still on the Saturn retard.

So is it good or is it bad?

>>6290146
Even if it is a port, the game would still be on the Saturn, tard.

https://limitedrungames.com/collections/neo-frontpage/products/switch-limited-run-67-panzer-dragoon-classic-edition

LRG doing preorders tomorrow.

>>6290146
Holy shit, you're fucking stupid.

I'm watching it right now and its the very definition of soulless

>>6290085
Somehow they've taken one of the most artistically interesting titles ever made and made it look like every other goddamn game these days

>>6290085
One of the most soulless remakes yet.

wow they drastically reduced the difficulty

>>6290249
It looks like a fault of using UE4. Almost every single game using it looks the same somehow, it's baffling even when they use different art styles.

>>6290262
What, why? The difficulty was what kept you coming back.

>>6290280
>What, why? The difficulty was what kept you coming back.
unless there's an original saturn difficulty then you can pretty much get hit by everything, including all boss attacks, and survive

>>6290280
>>6290284
The three difficulties are there. Normal and Hard feel the same to me. Easy is retarded easy- way easier than the original's easy mode and Zwei. Don't play that one.

>>6290297
well the dude was playing normal mode and getting hit by literally everything and beat the game very easily.

>>6290248
petedorr is a cool guy

>>6290461
yep

>>6290085
>>6290248
Something about this remake looked very unimpressive. I don't wanna say the remake is too saturated in fruity looking colors but compared to the original, it's lacking a certain feel.

>>6290603
Unfiltered, unstable 3D has grit.

>>6290085
Any screens of stage 5? I imagine that would be a hard translation for Switch hardware.

I was tempted to purchase it, but I already have the original game and sequel (Zwei) on the Saturn. But if you don't have a Saturn nor the original game itself then I recommend it because it's fuckin Panzer Dragoon, the epitome of rail shooters imo.

>>6290085
Beautiful.

>>6290104
>so what's the point of this
It's good for people with bad taste

How well does the original emulate? Was thinking of getting the remake since I never played it but this thread is definitely making me reconsider.

>>6290656
Faggot

>imagine being excited over a remake
Big yikes

>>6290706
>imagine being a fan of a franchise thats been dead for 18 years
yeah

>>6290697
Don’t know if it’s any good, but it’s available for PC as well.

>>6290085
>>6290104
This was one of the early in development games of the Saturn an the proof that it was made for rendering polygons.

It's also one of its "hardware pushers" so remaking this is like remaking the first Shantae: insulting.

>>6290707
Why would that make anyone excited over remake? Name one worthwhile remake besides REmake.

>>6290724
Metroid Samus Returns
RE2R
Shadow of the Colossus
Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes

>>6290731
None better than the originals or necessary.

>>6290754
Wrong, mainly cause Samus Returns is so different it's basically a completely new game

>>6290706
>Switch
There's the reason. It's not like it gets any new games

>>6290828
Right? Fucking nintendrones!

>>6290754
I prefer them all over the originals, minus RE2R. I think it's about equal to OG RE2 in different ways.

Just got it, the graphics are ugly and it has some of the most comically delayed controls I've seen in a modern game. Don't buy.

>>6290838
It's been a while since I played the original but wasn't the turning camera mechanic also delayed in the original? Not that that excuses anything here.

>>6290838
Your joycon are fucked or something. The trigger turning is supposed to be that way, it's even slower on the Saturn version. But my analog stick doesn't lag like that. I just did it several times for comparison with your webm.

>>6290867
probably a pirated version

>>6290874
It's not a pirated version and even if it was what difference would that make for a game that just released with no updates?

>>6290867
It is noticeably more delayed in the bossfight, and I noticed the cutscene introducing it tanked the FPS hard. Typical Sega third-party handled garbage.

I beat the game twice already, once on Normal and once on Hard.
>>6290838
>>6290886
I seriously don't know what's wrong with your game, it doesn't have that reticle input lag for me. The turning is supposed to have a delay though. There is a patch though so maybe that fixed it? I only played with the patch.

Honestly, it's pretty great.

>>6290897
>The turning is supposed to have a delay though
This is bullshit. Have you ever played the original Panzer Dragoon games? The turning takes a second but the response time is immediate.

>>6290886
>It's not a pirated version and even if it was what difference would that make for a game that just released with no updates?
because the game is v1.1 right now. a pirated version is probably unpatched. and your menu wasn't in english so it's a safe bet that it's pirated.

>>6290912
I see what you mean now. Yeah.. the only thing that feels good is the L+R full turn around, left/right is stiff.

>>6290920
I set it to Spanish because I'm learning it, not because it's pirated, but whatever. This is such a trivial thing to argue about.

Is the game still in Panzerese?

>>6290603
Doesn't help they changed the way the levels are set up. There's a reason the first stage is an endless ocean as opposed to a lake with a rocky outcrop.

>>6290610
It's....busy.

>>6290941
Yes.

hit and miss for me. it's neat seeing something familiar modernized, but there's a lot missing or changed. Stage 5 for example, the boss doesn't tumble forward when you beat it in a high speed chase, it just flops and blows up. the music loops are also way too slow. Stuff like that is kind of lame.
eh. I like Zwei much better anyway, so I still look forward to seeing what they do with that.

>>6290085
Looks decent enough, but lost that Moebius/Nausicaa touch.

>>6290085
is the emulation on retroarch good for the panzer dragoon games?

I want to get into this series but the idea that I could never own Panzer Dragoon Saga makes me sad.

so we can talk about the current gen Resident Evil remasters now too?

Why does it look so much worse than Orta, a game from 2002?

Does the remake come bundled with the original game? I remember Orta did.

People are mad that this mediocre low budget remake is getting destroyed by GameXplain.
https://youtu.be/sLTIMZOa8NY

>>6290085
That's great and all but I really want to know is whether we'll ever see a re-release of Panzer Dragoon Saga. I don't wanna shell out for a japanese saturn and a copy of the game but I've been interested in them for a while. After all, another game that was considered lost forever called Blade Runner is now being worked on for a remake so who's to say the same won't happen with PDS?

>>6290706
>imagine being excited over a remake
A remake that's worse than the original in every way that matters

>>6290731
>Metroid Samus Returns
Worse
>RE2R
Worse
>Shadow of the Colossus
Much worse
>Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes
Horrifically worse

>>6290085
>implying some typical quickbux remake is going to do anything good for the franchise

>>6291780
The remake is clearly terrible, but I'd like to see GameXplain bleed subscribers. It's run by genetic nightmares and restera faggots with speech impediments

This is sad to hear but I still want to buy it. I guess I'll wait till it's on sale or Steam had weird titty anime girl mods.

>>6290085
This remake makes me sick.

>>6290724
Oath in Felghana.

I am tempted to get this. I’ve wanted to play the series for a while but I am not sure on how to emulate Saturn games.

>>6291920
Have you considered not buying the remake and not emulating? Jesus fucking Christ

>>6291921
Maybe because I don’t want to spend 500 dollars on Saga.

>>6291791
>I really want to know is whether we'll ever see a re-release of Panzer Dragoon Saga
They found the source code recently, maybe they'll do a remake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8ShyYDHzCI

>>6291921
Yeah, and it's not worth buying the originals and hardware

>>6291924
>>6291959
Then buy a Saturn and burn the games, dummy. Or buy the Jap versions of PD and Zwei, and burn Saga

>>6291964
> It's not worth buying the hardware
> Then buy the hardware

Damn you stupid bro

>>6290181
He said remake not port.

You guys seem to really be struggling with this.

A remake is creating a new game from nothing. This is a brand new game created from scratch in a brand new engine. It is not the Saturn game. That is what a remake is, a brand new game.

A remaster is taking a classic game and enhancing it for modern hardware. Moving it from one console to another. A port is also a transfer, but with only minor alterations to get it running smooth.

>>6291926
They dont need source code to make a brand new game in a brand new engine and frankly I don't need to see some retards "interpretation" of Saga. I would love a remaster or port of the Saturn game though.

>>6291841
Abysmal taste.

>>6291974
Ok zoomer

>>6291968
>It's not worth buying the originals and hardware
>Then just buy the hardware
>It's not worth buying the hardware. Damn you stupid bro
>t. the kind of sloppy retard that unironically calls people bro

>>6291780
And the fans hate him. Defending the game, saying it's done by a small studio. But there is an indie game coming that just looks way cooler.
https://youtu.be/y8bcIzVtLhQ

>>6290085
>This is retro
No it's not. Either discuss the original or fuck off back to /v/eddit with your remake meme.

>>6291994
>We could have had a panzer dragoon remake that looks like the Moebius artwork
Damn it

>>6291920
>Download SST
>Put CD in/Mount ISO
>Play game
Ain't that hard. Although maybe yaba is better for some games. Just toy around with the different emulators a bit and google shit. It's not like Panzer Dragoon is so obscure that there won't be any advice on how to run it.

>>6292007
Might as well play the garbage remake if you're going to butcher the original like that

>>6292016
Lol at your life, original hardware autist. How do you feel knowing you own worthless plastic?

>>6291973
Then play Orta on the One X?

>>6290886
I don’t know what’s wrong with your fame anon but it shouldn’t be like that

>>6292024
I was referring to Saga, but yes, you can play the entirety of Panzer Dragoon 1 on Xbox One X in 4k and it's great. Just play 5 hours of Orta (which is also on Gamepass) to unlock.

>>6292030
My bad, my reading comprehension took a dump there. I’d love that too. Hopefully they can find the source code to do that at some point

>>6291870
Typical tastless nufalcolm pleb

I might get it later when it is on sale . There will probably be patches later too. I would be fine spending 15 dollars on a game this length, but 25 is too high.

Fucking tryhards ITT, there's nothing wrong with the graphics and art style of either version. As long as it plays the same, who the fuck cares?

>>6292842
>who cares about visuality in VIDEO games

>>6292842
This remake brought back the piss filter meme lol

Its looks like shit retard

>>6291413
True panzerchads don't give a shit about Saga. Zwei is the real masterpiece in the series.
Saga is just an RPG spinoff. It's the SOTN of Panzer Dragoon.

>>6292076
How badly do you have to damage your brain to start liking the shitpile original Ys 3 releases over the vastly superior remake? It's hard to even imagine the extent

>>6292907
Based except Orta is the PD magnum opus.

>>6292942
Nah it's still Zwei.

this game is JANKY AS FUCK holy shit

>>6292942
Orta goes on for way too long, it's like a 2 hour game if you watch the cutscenes and play in one sitting.

>>6292942
>cutscenes
dropped, shit kills the flow

>>6292907
>It's the SOTN of Panzer Dragoon
So it's the best game in the series then

>>6291780
It's a really shitty remake, unfortunately this idiot spent most of the video complaining about bottom level shit instead of things that affect gameplay like your adhd dragon bouncing around
>>6292842
>As long as it plays the same, who the fuck cares?
it doesn't

>>6293061
A glimpse into the mind of a delusional jarpig

>>6293064
>it doesn't
Then that's what people should be complaining about, not the remade graphics

>>6292942
>Orta
Nope

>>6293085
PD's at least as much about its presentation as its basic mechanics

The remake is pretty ugly but it's not like the original game was much of a looker itself.

>>6293227
1995, on a console? It was fantastic.

>>6293042
kids already bitching that the game is too short and not worth the money.

Just like their jobs, they measure the value of something in how many hours it can take of your life

>>6293227
The original's beautiful
>scaled emulation no CRT.webm
That's the not the original

What's the verdict on the version that comes with Orta?

>>6293313
Xbox can't output 240p

>>6293308
That is literally the original captured in S-video. It is by no meaning of the word "beautiful".

I'm actually playing it now and it's good. The first level looks really nice and does have reflections. I don't know why niggers come on here and literally lie

>>6293227
Were you trying to prove that the game looks amazing or something? That's straight out of a Moebius comic, shit is gorgeous.

Never played any of these games. Is it basically just star fox with a different theme?

>>6293504
They are both 3D shooters, if you like star fox but wanted more substance on the story side of things, more difficulty on the game play side of things, and one of the best soundtracks of all time Panzer Dragoon is your fix.

plus dragons > furries.

>>6293494
Seriously. The game is pretty good. Loving it.

>>6293494
It's really not. Play past the first level.
No one's lying. The framerate is rough and the models are very floaty - and that's an odd negative to have about a flying shooter. The presentation is just very poor. During the cutscene before the final stage, there's no music. During the credits, the song plays twice and just suddenly cuts out halfway through the second loop because the credits are over. If you try to rapidfire, the gun quickly stops shooting, like the game has run out of memory. Sometimes it takes multiple scans to paint a target.
I want my slavbros to succeed but this is a very unpolished game.

>>6293542
I hear there's been a patch already, maybe some issues have been addressed. I'm pretty disappointed with what I'm seeing.

So what's the fun of Panzer Dragoon supposed to be? No scoring, supposedly easy to clear without dying, where's the hook besides muh grafix?

>>6293551
great music that's paced well with the game play, cool scenarios, nice feeling dragon with a good sense of weight, really unique theme.

>>6293514
>it's the "star fox is furry" poster
I'll remind you yet again that dragon dildo fags also exist.
>>6293504
It's different from Star Fox. Less maneuverability (don't have too much control over the dragon other than directions, no U-turns or anything like that), but you can rotate your character (which acts as the turret) in 360 degrees.
It's a really good game, play it if you like 3D shooting games.

>>6293554
>I'll remind you yet again that dragon dildo fags also exist.
That's just another form of furry, dragons are different

>>6293551
PD1 is mostly great for the visual presentation and art merits. Level design and gameplay are OK but it doesn't really excells.
PDII Zwei is where they actually fleshed out the PD concept and polished it, with way more engaging levels, enemies and boss fights.

>>6293542
I'm on stage 3 now and have had none of the issues your reporting, playing undocked.

I for one hope they cancel zwei.
Lets treasure one of the best games of all time rather than stain it.

>>6293751
The original will continue to exist if they remake it. Personally I want to see it remade just to hear a reimagined version of the soundtrack. Give it the Falcom treatment and go nuts with different versions of those tunes

First Commandos 2 and now this.
In a way I guess its a good thing everyone agrees they suck, its less painfully than seeing something like the new links awakening abortion being praised and essentially overwriting the original in normies' minds.

>>6293768
I get that theoretically the original remains untouched but in practice the remake binds itself to it, to an extent it creates an unbreakable mental link between the two that's manifested in many ways - from that point on when pdz becomes a topic the discussion is likely to degrade into making comparisons and arguing which version is better, newcomers wanting to check out the game having the option between the two are more likely to just play the remake and think they got the authentic experience, misguided people will even think of it as the one true definitive version that makes the og obsolete, if you google pdz you will mostly get trailers and screenshots of the remake...

And then there are issues with artistic integrity, to have a labor of love that was envisioned and crafted in a specific way, often built around the constraints of its time, be, as explained above, somewhat buried under a bootleg made by entirely different people who ripped out the core of your work, smeared it with a new paint job and pass it of as an objective improvement, is disrespectful if not insulting. Even in cases it is deemed as faithful, there will be nuances that inevitably get lost no matter what.

ORTA > 2 > Saga > 1

All good games.

2 >>> saga > 1 >>> orta

All good games.

>>6293890
>>6293898
Both wrong.

Crimson Dragon > shit > any Panzer Dragoon

>>6293227
Why are you willingly proving yourself wrong by posting that webm?

>>6293898
What's wrong with Orta?

>>6293898
correct

>>6293883
Perfect Dark XBLA still exists and people prefer the n64 game.

>>6293883
Agree with everything you said

>>6293890
>>6293898
2>1>Saga>>>>>>>>Orta

All good games.

>>6293883
I somehow agree with this, even though ultimately I don't give a shit about what other people think, really.
PDZ will continue to be a masterpiece on the Saturn.
However, I wonder if the remake will include a port of the original. I believe so far, Zwei was never released anywhere.

>>6293883
I wish they would just port the original zwei, but since games are considered a product by their owners and not a work of art they will never do anything for the sake of preservation or appreciation, only profit, so a remake is realistically the only way we will get the game preserved for the future to experience. Sega obviously sees no value or market for the original versions and will never bother with them, emulation is still shit and resellers make the games a huge investment to even try.

>>6294428
>a remake is realistically the only way we will get the game preserved for the future to experience
That doesn't preserve it. Real Saturns exist and will exist until long after you're dead, and eventually a good FPGA Saturn will exist

>>6290731
All of those are significantly worse than the original.
I'll say Ys Oath.

>>6294428
>a different game is the only way to preserve it

>>6293883
So much this. Fuck remakes, use the available resources to make something fresh rather than defiling the past

>>6293542

Why is everything tinted yellow? It's like they intentionally sought to make this game as unsightly as possible.

How do these games emulate? They're basically the only thing I want to play on the Saturn.

>>6291841
>>Metroid Samus Returns
>Worse
Come now.

>>6295773
It was tho.

>>6291841
>Shadow of the Colossus
At least the PS3 port just ups resolution and stabilizes the framerate

>>6295787
No way

>>6295814
way
>>6295798
It also changes the climbing mechanics, possibly to match the Euro version. Been a long time since I looked into it. But yeah, it's just a port, so it's a lot better than the PS4 game

Sometimes the remake looks nice. It has a photo mode.

>>6295862
>possibly to match the Euro version
It's actually a bug from mismatched game logic and framerate. The HD port is based on the PAL version but is made to run at 30fps, while the PAL version updates at 25hz. It's a weird issue which causes odd behavior, mostly in the climbing.

>>6295871
>>6295862
Well that's a bummer, I was thinking of bying the PS3 version at some point because the PS2 runs at an unplayable Super FX framerate. If its broken, that's no good.

>>6295862
I'm sorry man, SR obliterates the original. It's basically a new game with way more stuff and better bosses.

>>6295873
It's not broken but it's an unfortunate oversight. It's also very cheap, and at the very least, ICO is solid - that's probably why they used the PAL code, later version, less bugs, but unfortunately they introduced some new ones.

I know there are other issues too on the presentation side of things, some sounds being off/weirdly behaving, but it's not a garbage version. If you really can't tolerate the PS2 original, play the PS3 one.

>>6290085
It's not particularly strong outside the lore which is why Saga worked so well.

>>6296229
Being an JRPG that didnt require 80 hours helped.

>>6296229
>>6296372
Saga is the one that's not very strong outside of the lore/atmosphere.
Zwei is a fucking ludo masterpiece, and the atmosphere and lore was just the cherry on the top.

>>6293227
Here's the thing; the original was a technical showcase, it was the "next-gen" system seller kind of title to get people on-board with 3D. By today's standards, no, it's not super pretty, and it wouldn't be even if we could bump up emulation resolution (which would literally render the PC/PS2/Orta ports moot). But the simpler graphics and fantasy grandeur fit the game way more than the color-graded, super-saturated and honestly amateurish-looking remake. Just go watch the cutscenes, it looks like one of those fan projects in UE3. And it's being sold for $25 and no Pandora's Box despite being like a 45-minute game if you don't die, on top of problems like sluggish lock-on and turning controls that they promise to patch. That's just not good.

>>6296453
and then i find out you can up the res in yaba sanshiro, it's just some games warp a lot so its usefulness is limited

>>6291556
Wait what? I have pal orta, I had no idea. This sounds like bullshit.

>>6296554
Damn that looks pretty nice. Might have to try this yaba

WHY
IS
EVERYTHING
YELLOW
?

>>6296453
>By today's standards, no, it's not super pretty
It's even prettier by today's standards, especially through RGB on a quality CRT

>>6296554
That looks bad. Zwei doesn't look like that at all

Did Zwei have more weapons? Or is it like the first one, done after an hour
Also is Episode 0 still in the remake? Is there anything you get from 100% every episode?

>>6297653
Zwei had it so that the game graded you on each episode and how you performed, which would change routes in following episodes as well as the abilities of the evolving dragon via different forms. It's still an arcade shooter with a straight shot through stages that aren't that long, but that plus the Pandora's Box as a huge cheat menu (or, Pandra, as they localized it then) added a lot of replayability compared to PD1 being a one-shot kind of game emphasizing enemy down count. Hell, having a save from Saga on the Saturn's internal RAM instantly unlocked the menu.

Not sure if the remake retained Episode 0 though.

>>6291994
This is going to be the very definition of style over substance.

>>6290085
>Switch
Not retro

Why the weird series name? It's about armored dragons I suppose, why do they call them dragoons and panzer not tank?
Tank Dragon. There, I fixed it.

>>6296882
>by today's standards
you shouldn't compare it to a different time at all

>>6299185
stupid american

>>6290085
>remake
>switch

>>6299336
>you shouldn't compare it to a different time at all
You should compare it to whatever you feel like comparing it to