/vr/ - Retro Games

Well it's the fucking ocean

>>6290616
Fpbp, kek

>>6290615
To be fair it was one of the first games where they didn't play the hero totally straight. Ecco does a lot of messed up stuff to the point that they actually retcon a lot of it in the second game.

>>6290879
You're retarded lol

how is a game about a psychic dolphin that fights aliens faux deep?

What's with all the Ecco threads recently? I have a feeling it's some autist resorting to false flagging to talk about his favorite game over and over.

At least talk about Junior or Defender of the Future, nobody ever brings them up.

>>6290890
no u

>>6290879
my guy he’s a fucking dolphin

>>6290990
Yes, I agree. He's just doing what he does, as opposed to the vast majority of games which at the time featured a monolithic good guy even if the good guy was a bad guy archetype(ninja, for example)

>>6290615

>>6291012
i reiterate, he is a FUCKING. DOLPHIN.


THERE IS NO GOOD AND EVIL SOCIETAL STATEMENT BULLSHIT. It’s just a dolphin bro don’t read into it.

>>6290904

Defender of the Future continued looking graphically astonishing for like a decade after release. Thanks mostly I suspect to the use of underwater fog meaning draw distance didn't have to be huge so the nearby environmental poly count could be decent, along with the well animated high poly animals and projection based surface light effects.

It's a cast study in how to exceed the limitations of hardware with clever game design that I would compare closely to the mini-planets level design in Mario Galaxy which permitted individual planetoids to be high poly since you're only ever close up to one at a time, and the ones in the distance LOD all the way down to sprites

>>6291057
that's exactly what i'm saying, though. they didn't bother to make the main character of the game a good guy for once and i appreciated it... he's just a dolphin...

>>6290879
>this shit again
ecco does literally nothing wrong outside of your headcanon

>>6291057
>>6291136
Weak bait

>>6291146
>this shit again
i just came here from reddit, do people talk about that here?

>we're still talking about this

>>6291213
>we

>>6291146
>>6291196
>>6291213
what the fuck is going on? this is just a game about a dolphin

>>6291269
Trolling by religiontards

>>6290879
I haven't played the game in like twenty years, what does he do? I remember something about aliens and time travel.

>>6291307
Nobody in the history of Ecco debates has ever brought up religion, you phenomenal fedora.
>>6291347
He doesn't consider the consequences of his actions, dooming timeline beta and dramatically altering timeline gamma, resulting in the human species not evolving in either. At the end of the second game he says "fuck the police" to the literal guardian of the sea who's helped him get his pod back together because he wants to just troll the oceans of time. He's basically a really brave little shithead. Like if Bart Simpson saved his family at great personal risk. Sure, yeah, he did, that's admirable, but he's still a little cunt.

>>6291347
He literally dooms all of mankind twice to save like 5 dolphins

>>6291356
>Nobody in the history of Ecco debates has ever brought up religion, you phenomenal fedora.

His line of thinking is that because he's a dolphin he's incapable of good or evil, that's straight up religious style retardation.

You're also completely wrong on the timeline stuff and don't understand the plot as was exhaustively explained in the last thread. This is preschool level trolling. I doubt you've actually even played either of them.

>>6291361
Lol you're dumb.

>>6291380
>His line of thinking
There's more than one person here, and nobody in the last thread with all the argument said dolphins are incapable of good or evil. I read the entire thing. Seems like you're the retard that just got mad, and you're talking bullshit about facts that happen in the game. Therefore
>I doubt you've actually even played either of them.
>This is preschool level trolling.

>>6291380
Without agency there can be no morality. The concept that Ecco is morally grey is predicated on him having agency, as opposed to "dolphins are automatically good or bad." This is the power of an enlightened atheist, can't even understand fundamental philosophical concepts.

>>6291380
>You're also completely wrong on the timeline stuff and don't understand the plot as was exhaustively explained in the last thread.
Ironic, because anyone that thinks ecco is morally pure didn't play the games because the very last thing he does is disobey his god for his own personal benefit or amusement

>>6291394
>>6291404
No.

>>6291407
Also, no.

>>6292008
go look at the ending to 2 you phenomenal retard who hasn't played the games

>>6293267
I've played 2 many times and know what you're referring to. You're either an idiot or a troll but either way not worth my time.

>>6293303
You said "no" to a factual statement and then said you "knew what I was talking about." This is peak talking out of your ass.
>of course i know the password. YOU tell ME so I know YOU know it
>no dude tell me the password
>you're not worth my time

What the fuck is wrong with you people

>>6290879
Dolphins are evil rapists so its no surprise

>>6291404
>Without agency there can be no morality. The concept that Ecco is morally grey is predicated on him having agency
>>6292008
>No.
So you don't understand, or you're just pretending to be retarded?

>>6293380
This

are there any other games that give a similar feeling of isolation in a non-human perspective?

>>6293337
Lol

>>6293394
Ecco has agency. You're a moron.

>I'm 12 and I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing why am I not just playing Sonic again

>>6294287
>>6291404
>The concept that Ecco is morally grey is predicated on him having agency
So you didn't understand. Sweet.

>>6293940
Not retro, but Jaws Unleashed.

>>6291356
>>6291361
Why would he care about humans tho?

>>6294419
What he did to timeline beta basically killed everyone including his descendants. In timeline gamma they survived. Timeline delta is a fully complete loop in which the descendants of the vortex race out-compete what otherwise would've become arthropods, evolving into their niche.

>>6290904
Ecco has always been a mildly popular game and captured the imagine with how unique it is.

I've only played the first but does the 2nd game even have that substantial of a storyline? The first game didn't at all.
>dolphin pod gets kidnapped
>gotta look for them
>discover aliens
>oh there they are
>defeat aliens
>the end
It's got a psuedo-philosophical question or two at the beginning (if we breathe air why do we live under the sea?) but otherwise it's straightforward and ironically shallow

>>6294480
Anon, I think a fair bit of the story went over your head. You need to look deeper.

>>6294424
What you call timeline delta is the real one, in which Ecco saves all life on earth. The vortex future is a splinter.

>>6294348
0/10 lol

>>6294503
All 4 are real. Alpha is original. Delta is final.

>>6294517
Nope.

The Tides of Time is one of the most underappreciated games ever made.

>>6294480
Why do they breathe air if they live under the sea? Wouldn't they drown if they went to sleep?

Final boss still scares the shit out of me. I never got past the first few areas or so, but I can only imagine the horror of coming across that for the first time pre-internet.

>>6295379
She's really hard, though beatable. And a lot more fun than The Machine which is the auto scrolling level you play to get to her. That one freaked me out when I stumbled upon the password for it while still early in the game.

Am I the only one who, while still able to appreciate the original music, prefer the Spencer soundtrack? It's just.. perfect.

>>6293380
You don't pass the turing test.

>>6299034
>Am I the only one who, while still able to appreciate the original music, prefer the Spencer soundtrack? It's just.. perfect.
Brainlet. You probably think ocean documentaries have good soundtracks, too.

>>6299693
Not him as I far prefer the Genesis soundtrack, but I still dig the new age CD soundtrack.
Some people like slow ethereal music.

>>6290615
>I look back at 6th grade and cringe
>I'm definitely not a projecting 22 year old who, in this order, 1. Just discovered it 2. Thought it was cool 3. Got really pissed at that octopus 4. Never mind it sucks

https://vimeo.com/41365326/description

https://youtu.be/unN7QvSWSTo

https://www.sabatobox.com/ecco-the-dolphin-ride-the-cataclysm

>>6301548
>Existential dolphins
????
I have nothing against these gifs or the guy's goal but his writing is stupid and cringy

>>6301528
eccojams is fucking superb

>>6299693
>You probably think ocean documentaries have good soundtracks, too.
Some of them do actually, yes.
Listen to Vangelis' Apocalypse des animaux.
You're the brainlet for not liking Spencer's great soundtrack.

>>6299401 You don't pass the Voight-Kampff test.

>>6293380
yep

>>6304291
Shitty weak trolling what a surprise.

I miss that feeling of pseudo-profoundness that you get as a pre-teen.
The first time I remember feeling it was when I saw The Breakfast Club, and it gave me a really weird feeling, kinda like sadness, and I remember feeling that the movie meant something important.
So I would make really lame Google searches like "whats the meaning of the breakfast club" to try and scratch the itch, but obviously it wasn't that deep, so I was ultimately unfulfilled.
Now I'm jaded and cynical and media doesn't affect me, and I want to go back.

anyway, fuck you for shitting on people for liking things.

>>6304291
go away coronavirgin

>>6304428
My nigga you got the rona too

>>6304428
*cough*

>>6304417
It's called imagination, and it never has to go away.

>>6304410
Hey, I gotta find an in so I can post in every thread y'know.

What's the best version of the game?

>>6304438
Hey, cover your mouth, faggot

>>6291136
He's a good dolphin.

>>6293371
Autism and too much free time

>>6304461
Your imagination sucks

>>6290615
You probably are actually 12 if you're using that horrible filter

>>6304535
Sega CD has more levels, and levels have check points.
The only argument in favor of the Genesis original version is the music, but you can create your own custom soundtrack due to the Sega CD version using CD audio for music, so you can add the original Genesis music if you want (the Sega CD soundtrack is amazing as well, anyway)

>>6306312
The levels really don't need checkpoints.

Personally the 3D classics version is king for me because of how good a job M2 did making things pop and I seem to be one of the only people who likes the 3DS 3d effect.

>>6307172
>The levels really don't need checkpoints.
Depends, many of them require memorization since the game is mostly underwater mazes with puzzles, backtracking and to top it off, limited oxygen. I'd say check points are a welcome addition. Not the main reason to play the Sega CD (that'd be the extra levels), but another nice extra.

>>6290616
Good reply.

>>6307210
Yeah but the way they're designed there are always air pockets and once you do know where you're going you can usually get there pretty fast if you did die. To me though Ecoo is a game all about having that patience under pressure. Singing sonar to make a starfish cluster move and having to be precise each time and be swift because you're running out of air but also careful... That's the sweet spot of that game's fun to me. And when I played the normal version I never thought it needed checkpoints aside from maybe before the Asterite but that's just my griping about that boss.

>>6291028
Kek

>>6306312
is the 8bit version worth a play?

>>6291067
I can't believe that's a DC game, it still looks good.

>>6306312
>levels have check points.
wow this ruins the game wtf

>>6293380
T. Vortex

>>6309542
>inb4 it's actually the PS2 version

>>6309553
To say it ruins it is extreme. They're just not really needed.

>>6310718
They look basically identical. Ecco Dreamcast was actually the first game I played that made me think 3D graphics could finally compete with 2D in aesthetics and it still looks amazing.

>>6309542
Visually it's incredible. It seems like they wanted to push it even further for the sequel.

>>6312058
It's not a walking simulator. Removing significant challenge ruins the game for anyone who's looking for a game that respects them

>>6313726
Lol

>>6313726
It's literally a dolphin sim, but I agree that checkpoints are gay

>>6314106
>dolphin sim
>simulating dolphin gameplay
>implying dolphins save the world

>>6314592
Not him but it is a game about a dolphin saving the world.

>>6314693
not him but he's saying it can't be a dolphin sim because they don't save the world

>>6314720
Well yeah but calling it a dolphin sim is about as correct as calling Mario a plumber sim.

>>6314592
They do.
>>6314725
Except dolphins really do this shit every single day

>>6314914
What do they do every day? Time travel and fight aliens?

>>6314934
It's not usually aliens, but sometimes it is.

>>6316381
I guess that makes sense. They are slippery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIkzOSEykaE
it hits different

>>6316698
Like the rest of his it's okay but more generic and nowhere near the level of the real soundtrack.

>>6316698
Man that track in particular really drives home how shit the CD music is.
https://youtu.be/UO7Fvd48By8

>>6290904
i bring up jr in every thread i see

>>6294480
>why do the marks on your head match the stars in the sky

>>6316713
>>6316730
I didn't mean it like that, I mean it like I think it's actually really good, even if different from the original, that makes it even more interesting.
I thought I wasn't gonna like the CD OST because of what I've read people say, but I'm impressed.

>>6316802
That's cool we all have opinions

>>6316805
We sure do

the fuck is all that futuristic time travel alien robotic neo sci-fi shit you all talking about
i thought this game was about a fucking dolphin who jumps. little mermaid but for toddlers

>>6317009
You would think that, fruitcake.

>>6317009
yeah well welcome to the machine i guess

>>6317009
That's because you're a lazy flaming retard.

>>6290615
rent free

>>6317009
You should watch the documentary behind this game.

>>6321265
Got a link?

honestly, at least they made an animal character that didn't look like some furfag fetish

>>6323291
This too. It's way too uncommon.

>>6291356
If he altered the timeline to the point that humanity never existed then his pod would never have existed either, giving him nothing to go back to at the end. But he does, and they all remember him, and all remember him saying them, so your theory is bullshit. Ecco time travel is based on predetermination (ie. when Ecco inadvertantly lured the first cetacian back into the sea, or the Atlanteans knowing of his coming before he ever sets the stage for it) so if humans ever existed in Eccos time, they still exist.

>>6323380
>If he altered the timeline to the point that humanity never existed then his pod would never have existed either
It's literally canon, dumbass, it's not some fan theory. It's explicit in Tides of Time which takes place in the gamma timeline.

>>6323380
>if humans ever existed
and there are wrecked human vessels in the game lmao

Implying CD soundtrack has shit on this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEDi94loytU

>>6304461
This. A dead imagination is one of the surest signs of an NPC/normalfag.

>>6323498
>Timeline ß epsilon
No. If the timeline has changed to the point that humanity never existed, then Ecco and his pod would never have existed either. It's common sense.

>>6323498
The first level of Tides is literally a sunken Spanish galleon. Wtf are you smoking?

>>6325707
The first level is in timeline beta you retard.

>>6325705
>assertion
This is stupidity in action.
>>6325707
The first level of Tides of Time is indeed a different timeline than the rest of the game. Trellia explicitly tells Ecco so when she pulls him out of it. It is explicitly said that Ecco doomed the future of Earth, and in the timeline Trellia comes from the Atlanteans are explicitly stated not to exist despite their time machine remaining due to extratemporal persistence.

>>6325705
>It's common sense.
It's really not. Otherwise dinosaurs(broadly, not just the minority of species which evolved into birds) would still be walking around. If something could make most of them go extinct, dolphins and humans wouldn't exist. Checkmate right?

>>6317009
>mfw i read a summary about the atlanteans war with an insectoid alien race that culls as much life as they can every now and again that theyre loosing so they decided to travel back into the past

>>6325705
I go back in time and shoot your mom to death before you're ever born. Do I cease existing?

>>6325750
Effectively, yes. In the same way, if you remove mankind from the equation, you also remove all causal links between man and dolphin over hundreds of thousands of years. The end result is that Ecco and his pod would never have even existed.

>>6326085
>Effectively, yes
No, as I persist extratemporally. Much like Ecco "escaping" what you see as a "loop" at the end of Tides.

>>6290616
this

>>6326104
that dolphin's alignment is true garlic

>>6323498
>It's explicit in Tides of Time which takes place in the gamma timeline.

No it isn't.

>>6326092
>I
Incorrect. On returning to the future you would find that your furfag dolphin fuckpod never existed, yet there they are, sucking and fucking and eating ass. The only possibility is that, as the game very clearly shows, Ecco's actions were preordained from the very start. In fact, by luring the land cetacians back to the sea he spawned the very world he came from and the exact causal circumstances which led to his existence and choice of actions. Atoms in an endless dance. Nothing means anything. We perceive only our boundless slavery. Thank you Ecco, you have shown me that there is no truth. The stars on your forehead are like the stars in the sky.

>>6317009
Just a game about dolphins

>>6326159
Religious faith in your argument, but it just doesn't make sense.

>>6326159
You're describing timeline delta, which is the exact loop you describe. Alpha, beta, and gamma timelines all had to exist "prior" to delta's loop.

>>6326159
Trellia literally pulls you out of a dead timeline dude there can't be a loop because there's a fucking dead timeline

>>6326219
Nope. Not him but there's only one real timeline with the vortex future being a splinter. You also sound like the guy who was calling Ecco morally grey because you thought he wiped out humans or some dumb shit.

>>6326229
That's not a dead timeline. That's her timeline, she's his descendant. But there was a second timeline that got started by the vortex which is why Trellia goes back to get Ecco so he can end it and return to one timeline again.

>>6326232
>not him but there's a splinter
So there's a dead timeline. Amazing. Thank you for admitting this. The "splinter" timeline you refer to is known in the Ecco community as "timeline beta"

>>6326253
She's his descendant from timeline gamma, and she pulls him out of beta, because if she doesn't then gamma and delta won't exist. Delta is a looping timeline created from gamma. Ecco The Dolphin takes place in alpha, and because some events only took place in particular timelines there is no possibility that the game *starts* from a closed causal loop. It is the start of a closed causal loop, like you might imagine a piece of string would be before it's tied into a loop.

>>6291057
>It’s just a dolphin bro don’t read into it.
>t. vortex

>>6290615
You do know that this game is based off 1 guys series of Ketamine trips.

>>6290615
>I'm 12
MOOOOOOOOOOOOODS

>>6291206
candle-sniffing fuck fence, go climb a wall of dicks.

>>6326278
Yeah there is but that's not the one Ecco is in at the start if ToT.

>>6326284
>She's his descendant from timeline gamma, and she pulls him out of beta

Wrong

>>6301548
wtf is all this glitched out looking shit

WTF is thread and where can I learn more about Ecco?

>this entire thread

>>6291407
Who is his god and how does Ecco disobey him?

>>6326389
The second one is fact and the first one makes a lot more sense than "it's a time loop that has isn't a loop until the end and every time between the beginning and end" because that's not a LOOP

>>6327745
The Asterite, Guardian of the Seas, helps him travel through time to find his pod. It orders Ecco to destroy the time machine now that Ecco has formed a causal loop in timeline delta so that time can't be disrupted again.
So he says fuck that and takes the time machine far beyond The Asterite's reach, just to do whatever he wants with no oversight and the brain of a dolphin throughout all eternity.

>>6328335
Lol the Asterite isn't his god and your take on that is bonkers. Ecco goes into the time stream at the end because he's finally fully completed his mission.

>>6328332
It's a closed loop that has a splinter of another timeline as part of it. I don't know why that seems confusing.

>>6328634
The Asterite is absolutely God of The Sea.
>but ekko is an atheist!
God get the fuck out of my face dude

>>6328751
I'm not saying Ecco is atheist but calling the Asterite a god is ridiculous.

>>6328960
primitive cultures worship shit like really big animals as gods

>>6328751
Of all the things to be autistic about, this nigga chose echo head cannon

>>6328983
You're a total dipshit. Asterite is always referred to as old and powerful, saying that makes it Ecco's god is like saying he's morally grey because he's a dolphin.

>>6329010
>morally grey BECAUSE he's a dolphin
Doesn't understand the argument, doesn't understand that old powerful supernatural entities are worshipped by primitive cultures as gods especially when they, oh, have direct benevolent contact with them

>>6329071
I understand your argument just fine, I simply think it's utterly wrong. There's no evidence in the game that any of the oceanic characters saw the Asterite as a god or that the Atlanteans did either, it's just your opinion on what a dolphin's take on the world would be. The way you describe the ending of ToT as him "defying his god for his own personal benefit or amusement" is completely ridiculous.

>the thread actually made it until autosage-age
huh.

>>6329452
>I understand your argument just fine
NOONE here or in the last thread argued that
>>6329010
>he's morally grey because he's a dolphin

>>6329684
>NOONE here or in the last thread argued that
>Doesn't understand the argument,

Lol yeah you are full on idiotic.