/vr/ - Retro Games

As a series? Classic.
Standalone, X1 is one of the best games ever and best Rockman game.

>>6269793
As a series? Easily Classic, the mainline games aren't all great, but have a more consistent quality.
X6 and X7 are awful, X5 isn't as bad, but has some very serious issues and X3 is average.

>>6269830
>>6269801
What would you say are the most worthwhile of both? I've only played Megaman X, Megaman 8, and Megaman & Bass on GBA.

>>6269841
That's a rough menagrie. Start with MM1 (it will take some time to get good, but it's fun getting there), then skip to 6, then 7, then Mega Man & Bass (Rockman & Forte) (SNES), then try 9-10 (the GB games are good, too, but most of them very hard, I'm on 4 right now). X3 restores many elements that X2 dropped from X1, but X1-3 (SNES) are all must plays. X4 is good, X5 is shit, X6 is shit but would be good if it were finished, X7 is worse than shit, and I've heard X8 was just decent.

>Playing the anime latter Megamans

>>6269793
>>6269801
As a series? Classic
Standalone, X1 isn't even the best 16-bit Mega Man game
4 and 2 are series peak. The entire X series is comparatively shit

>>6269841
go mad and play all of them starting from MM1, they dont take much time.

>>6269952
>Start with MM1
Yes
>then skip to 6, then 7
What an absolute retard

>>6269952
>skipping 2 and 3
>bothering with Cockman & Shite

>>6269841
I'd say play 1-2,4-6, then 9.

>>6269952
>skip to 6
No
>then Mega Man & Bass
No
>X1-3 (SNES) are all must plays
No
>X4 is good
No
>X8 is decent
No
Play 1-7 (1, 2 and 4 are best, but they're all worth playing). If you want more, play 9 and 10. If you're in the mood for something different, play X1. If you're interested in seeing how the Game Boy handles Mega Man, play IV and V

Mega Man & Bass is such a piece of shit, seriously. You can feel the shoestring budget oozing from its pores and there is no fucking excuse for burner man holy shit

>>6269975
>he never told Colonel to stop the coupe now

>>6269793
Classic obviously since X series only got 4 great games which were the first four in the series.

The order you play in basically makes no difference but release order is as good as any, unless you find MM1 too difficult

>>6269793
Classic games are consistently good even considering 7 and 8 as low points.
X is consistently shit after 4, and even 1-4 is arguable as a lot of people don't even like anything past 1 or 2.

>>6270030
t.filtered

>>6270030
I managed with Burner Man, King Fortress stage 2 on the other hand...

>>6269793
Classic has much more consistent quality (that being consistently good)
But when X is good, it's REALLY good.

>>6269952
Start with mm1, and if you like it play in order. If you want to skip straight to where the games start getting good then jump to 3 or 4.
As for x, same reason but if you only want the good games stop after you finish X5.

>>6270621
Fuck that was intended for >>6269841

>>6270618
>But when X is good, it's REALLY good.
When does it get really good?

>>6269793
Mega Man X cuz it’s SUPER GRITTY and NOT CUTESY and you can DASH and ZERO AND VILE ARE TEH BADASS and the music ROCKS.

There, I just saved anyone who enters the thread the trouble of reading any further.

>>6270640
X2 and X4 mainly

>>6270646
I genuinely prefer X1-5 just based on the movement. wall jumping and dashing feels more fluid to me. I still love MM1-8, although my least favorites would probably be 5 and 6.

>>6270661
also repping Xtreme 2, it was a classic

>>6270648
X4 is pure garbage

>>6269793
I just really hate the name Megaman, I'm glad there are patches for the Famicom games to fix up the names in the English version. Too bad there is nothing like that for Rockman DASH for example.

>>6270709
Rockman is more stupid since the game doesn't even have anything to do with music or rocks.

At least "Mega" is just a generic adjective so it works better.

Mega Man X5 becomes 10x better without Alia's hints.

>>6270716
>Rockman is more stupid since the game doesn't even have anything to do with music or rocks.
Like all of the robots besides the bosses have music-related names. Rock, Roll, Blues, Forte, Beat, Tango, Gospel, you name it. Also, changing his name made it not match up with Roll, and it becomes even more stupid in Rockman DASH where Barrel Caskett names him after his favourite video game character instead of making the name up to match with Roll.

Only played classic, so classic. I do own X1 on 3DS, but never came around to beating it.

>>6270009
>skipping 2 and 3
Indeed, that guy has pretty shit taste...
>Cockman & Shite
,,,as do you.

X5 Improvements
X6 Tweaks

Too broad of a question, different games in the series have wildly varying quality.
For me the best X games > best megaman games > worst megaman games > worst X games

the number one thing I've learned from this thread is that Megaman fans can't agree on almost anything beyond a handful of games being awful. This is usually a good sign that most of the games are worth playing

Both series are good, but as many anons have said, Classic is more consistently good. If you want to play an easier series with a heavier emphasis on story and faster-paced gameplay that's packed full of secrets to discover, play the X games. If you want to play a no-frills platformer with a bit more challenge to it, play the Classic games.

Always thought the MegaMan sprite in the X series was slightly too big. Triggers my autism.

>>6269841
>classic
Play megaman 2,3,4,8 and 9
>x
Play the first four

>>6272396
this fucking filter is what triggers my autism

>>6272430
> no 1 and 10
> 8
Fuck you.

>>6269841
Every game in Classic series must be played. There is no other way.

Don't listen to anybody who tells you to skip games - they are lying specifically to rob you of your enjoyment and experience. Or just plain retarded.

Now download Mega Man 1 and complete it. Afterwards beat it buster only. Only then can you proceed. Remember: don't use the platform weapon found in Elec Man stage - that is for pussies.

>>6269982
>>6270009
>>6270025
It seems my superiority has led to some controversy. Sorry, onionsguzzlers. I forgot: Wily Wars is good, and 8 is pretty fun at times with some cool new ideas, but is mostly a little mediocre.

>>6270009
>>6270825
3 is good, 2 is garbage but still better than the utter shit that is 5.

MM 1-5 plus 9 and Megaman X 1-4 are the must play.
MM6-8 and Megaman X 5-7 depends of your taste.

>>6273383
> Wily Wars is good
> 2 is garbage
At this point this is definitely a bait. 2 is not what people make it out to be, but it it's DEFINITELY not garbage. It's in in top 4 for sure.

>>6273776
Why no one mentions MM 10? Also is it even allowed on this board? I'm not a pedant, just curious.

I've never been able to finish a non-classic Mega Man personally speaking. But that's mostly due to a lack of trying. I guess I don't like the Dragonball to Dragonball Z style tonal and aesthetic change the series went through enough to want to keep going with X. Just give me cute Robots blowing each other up and a silly Albert Einstein look-alike and i'm good.

>>6269801
fpbp
I love MM3-6 but X1 is a truly flawless game.

>>6273872
I still haven't finished it.
Feels like 9-2, but what I played, it wasn't bad( is a megaman game), it's just worse than 9.

>>6273872
I've beaten 2 probably more than any of the others. It's slightly worse than decent, at least when compared to most of the others.

>>6273876
You're not missing much. All of the sub-series were created for plebs and newfriends, so you've already hit the peak if Classic is what you like the best.

>>6269841
Not that anon but honestly I would also recommend some of the high-end fan games. Megaman Unlimited, Megaman Rockforce, Make a Good Megaman Level 1 & 2, etc. Some of these fan games really outshine the originals at certain points. I'm playing Make a Good Megaman Level 2 right now and I'm blown away by the amount of content and creativity.

>>6270701
Do you have a mental disorder?

>>6269841
Like I think all the suggestions in this thread are mostly good but a bit overwhelming. I would suggest just one game from each. From classic, I would suggest Megaman 2, from the X series I would suggest X4. If you enjoy those games then play all the others EXCEPT for X6 and X7. X6 and X7 are not to be played. Pretend that they do not exist. I enjoyed all the other games to varying degrees except for Megaman 1 and X5 but I can see people finding some fun in those games even though I don't.

Also check out some quality of life rom hacks. Zero Project for Megaman X3 is god tier and turns a game I don't like into one that I do like.

>>6274572
> From classic, I would suggest Megaman 2
Fuck you. It should be Mega Man 1, it's the only possible choice in this scenario.
> from the X series I would suggest X4
Nope, wrong again. Try some more.
> I enjoyed all the other games to varying degrees except for Megaman 1
Oh, I see. You're a fucking moron. k goodby

Legends is unironically the best megaman series. Even X1 falls flat by comparison.

>>6274865
>Legends is unironically the best megaman series
OK zoomer
>Even X1 falls flat by comparison.
Implying X is peak 2D Mega Man? What a shrivelsack

Classic Mega Man has like only 1 bad game.

>>6274793
Megaman 1 is painful to play. There is a reason why that game has gimmicks which have practically never returned in any other game. It's an awful way to be introduced into the the series when the sequel is so much better. X4 is the second best after X1 and is also a much better introductory into the X series than any other.

>>6274865
Legends in god-tier and the Battle Network games are good too but those games are different genres and OP seems more interested in the more traditional games.

>>6274963
>X4 is the second best after X1
If I played X4 first and thought it was representative of Mega Man in general I'd never play another one and I'd be thinking that MM fans were even more retarded than Sonic fans

>>6274963
>Legends in god-tier and the Battle Network
I hope for your sake you're 12

>>6274994
Tell me then, what do you think is second best to X1? What? X2? Meh. X3 with that terrible Zero implementation(although again, that Zero Project mod, wonderful).

>>6274996
I'm 29. Legends is one of the most if not the most beautiful games I've ever played.

>>6274935
That's not an argument you stinky boomer

>>6269793
I don't know why you'd pit them against each other. Someone who likes one has every reasonable chance of liking the other.

That said,
Classic: 3 > 9 > 2 > 4 > 10 > 11 > 5 > 8 > 7 > 6 > 1

X: 1 > 4 > 2 > 5 > 3 >>>>>>> who the hell cares

>>6273902
Cut the act. Layer?

>>6270025
>4 is the best
Based.

>>6269793
It was probably just because I was a dumb kid, but by and large, I always felt like the special abilities were generally worthless in classic Megaman--I basically just played through them with the Mega Buster, especially when charge shots became a thing. The special weapons always felt much clunkier and annoying to use. I actually just started playing through the Megaman X series for the first time recently, and I was fucking blown away by how X1 levels felt like they were actually designed around the Robot Master abilities. Not only that, but using an ability felt like it was pretty much ALWAYS preferable to using the Mega Buster. X2 and X3 felt like a regression in this regard, but at least X3 had some fun abilities.

Granted, I really should replay the classic Megaman games, because it's been many years. Obviously, the games had some weapons that were flat out superior, like the Metal Blade in MM2, but even then I was generally too autistic to use them. It's frustrating how I could do the old MM games flawlessly as a retard babby, and now I struggle with them. I actually still have all my old passwords colored in with crayon.

>>6276002
>I was fucking blown away by how X1 levels felt like they were actually designed around the Robot Master abilities
Too bad the platforming turned to shit and the music took a nosedive post classic series. It was all downhill after MM4. The talent probably moved on to something else and left behind a bunch of corny motherfuckers

>>6274963
>Mega Man 1 is an awful way to be introducex into the series
Speak for yourself, faggot. 1 was the way I was introduced into the series 24 years ago, and to this day, it's one of two of the NES ones that I continuously go back to and still enjoy and feel the magic that I did all the way back then. When I first played 2 a few years later, I couldn't figure out why this turd was considered by so many to be the greatest of all time. Metal Blade is fun, the new powers are creative and useful, sure, but the music (besides the intro) is almost universally bad and the level design is very bad, and the new items are all worse than based Magnet Beam. EVERY game after 2 is an improvement.

>>6275943
This is cope.

>>6276002
This was a good read.

>>6276009
>the music took a nosedive post classic series.
I dunno, X1 still had some of that MM classic music feel to it. The stage music felt distinct and iconic. With X2 and X3, I still had fun with the music, especially with X3, but it was admittedly all very samey. In fact, X3 was a very "samey" game in general, which was unfortunate. Many stage enemies were reused, and most of the bosses relied too heavily on the same tactics (wall jumping). Still, I liked the game more than X2. I can only imagine how hard kids shit their pants when X gets taken away in the first stage, and you see that Zero health bar appear a few seconds later. Fucking hell, that was a cool moment.

>>6276015
>MM2's music is almost universally bad
Fucking retard, all Megaman games are good. Stop basing your opinions on fanboy hype.

>>6269793
Mega Man X, objectively.

>>6269793
for me it's X2 and X5.

>>6276015
I really can't wrap my brain around the contrarianism

1 and 2 are fine, honestly 3 is better mechanically for introducing the slide. I don't think classic MM tanked until 5 and 6. 7 is redeemable for bringing back some difficulty. I need to replay 9/10 since I haven't touched them since they first released, but also not retro.

>>6275943
>>6274550
I think X4 is overrated, although Zero's gameplay is refreshing. The X series basically can be ranked in release order with X5 being the worst, but still worth playing.

>>6276385
>"contrarian"

>>6276390
Not him, but that is the least "soi" soiboy I've ever seen. Looks like a normal dude. Only problem is the abomination on the left. Just stick to your wojaks next time.

>>6276385
You're very right about X5 and 5, but why the fuck do you faggots have a hateboner for 6? It objectively has the best "Rush items", for one, and great music, for two. Is it just because it's too different from 2 and 3 for your comfort zone?

>>6276391
You're right. Getting fucked by trannies isn't effeminate.

>>6276393
The rush items are cool, my biggest issue was how easy 6 felt compared to the earlier games. Honestly I guess the same criticism could be applied to MM2, no real challenge until the Wily levels. Only 1 and 3 feel difficult enough, to me at least.

>>6276405
Also wanted to add on that 6 does have good music, in general all of the classic games and X1-3 have really good soundtracks.

Damn someone beat me to it with the first reply. I like the classic series way better (they both go downhill with time but classic did less awful than X imo by the end), X1 though easily beat any of the classic games for me. I don't know, it seem like they put a lot of time and effort on level design for X1 but kinda drop the ball afterwards. More so when X start going on disks. Later X series I argue is anti-fun at some points if you want the best possible ending/outcome. Only thing I liked from later X series is the ability to change armor types (and likewise with Zero), even then it doesn't save it from the gameplay.

Megaman 4 was my favorite out of the classic but massive bias as it was also the game I grew up with.

>>6276405
>>6276410
Okay, that's very fair. I like its easiness for a chill change of pace, once in a while, personally. I love 1 and 3 and X1-3, too. Have a great day, anon.

>>6276105
>>6269793
Mega Man classic objectively

>>6276015
Grandapa, the world was a different place 24 years ago that moved at a much slower pace, there were fewer distractions, FAR fewer games and so on. Zoomers(and Moomers who act like Zoomers) don't want to play your vertical Elecman level or your unforgiving trapdoor moving platform Gutsman level. If there was one game to give to a modern, younger gamer to introduce them to Megaman, X4 would probably be the choice. It's fast, it's dynamic, it's nice to look at. If X4 sticks then maybe they would like the other games too but if the teens I know were introduced to MM1 they would probably get frustrated and drop it pretty fast.

>>6270723
Alia did nothing wrong

>>6276629
Still in my twenties, though. X4 definitely feels like a zoomer game, true, but MM1 is still a fine starting place, even if its only the music and cool(est) boss powers that inspire you to continue its hard levels.

The ones were you can play as Protoman

>>6276629
>unforgiving trapdoor moving platform
Poor baby
>X4 would probably be the choice
The perfect choice if you don't want any platforming in your platformers
>if the teens I know were introduced to MM1 they would probably get frustrated and drop it pretty fast
That's understandable; it is best to keep frustration and stress at a minimum while transitioning

>>6269793
Only the 16 bit games are decent. There are more X 16 bit games so X is better.

>>6272913
>make the game harder because the designer fucked up by making it too easy
nah, I'll play the game the way it was meant to be played, cheese and all

>>6272913
>You must play Megaman 1, and you must play it in this stupidly hardcore way

How about play it and have fun with it? Plus you need to use the platform weapon to progress through a certain part of Wily's stage.

>>6276837
The NES series makes the SNES games look like larpers--visually, aurally, and mechanically. You could see from 6 that some of the talent and vision was already gone, and when you combine that with the transition from a console that does a lot of the aesthetic heavy lifting thanks to its genius palette, audio hardware, and limitations, to a console that's much better at putting artistic failings on show, it's no surprise that the SNES games turned out worse

>>6270648
X2 pisses me off with the backtracking

if you really know what you're doing in X1, you backtrack like twice and that's it.

>>6277219
>splitting hairs because you're offended that a game might offend someone

>>6277571
When did I ever mention anything about the game offending anyone? Stop projecting, tool.

This is going to make a lot of people salty, but the best Megaman games aren't even retro. Megaman ZX, MM9, MM11, and Zero 3 kick the shit out of any retro MM game

>>6277992
>Megaman ZX
Nice aesthetic, but too flaggy.
>Zero 3
Great game, although the plot is a disaster. That was the start of Inti's descent into making their games into drama CD bait since that's where the real money is. Now half their lineup is pantsu shooters and the other half is a lesser platformer full of pandering loli waifus.

>>6277992
Gross

>>6277992
>>6278003
The only good game Inti Creates has ever made was Curse of the Moon. They probably had a lot of outside direction for that one

>>6276634
Providing moral support to X as he goes around kicking doors in and shooting innocent reploids? yes I'd say Alia has done a lot wrong in her life. Megaman X5 is literally just X and Zero going around robbing people at gunpoint and then murdering them when they don't hand their shit over. This is indefensible, X his colleagues are -not- the good guys in this game.

>X: Axle, give me the Orbiter Engine! I don't want to fight you!
>Axle: Let's see a warrant, piggy
>X: Welp, I guess we're doing this the hard way!

Half the bosses in this game don't even want to fight X, they just want to be left alone. X just straight-up bursts in, kills some reploids, claims they were "resisting" and comes home a hero like in every other game he's in... But don't think for a second that Alia's hands are clean just because she's in a support role, ACAB includes Alia too.

>>6278013
Forgot Mega Man 9 and 10. They're not close to top tier MM, but they're pretty good

>>6278036
oh god are you still doing the whole, "maverick hunter are cops and therefore bad" thing?

>>6269793
Never played them, but Mega Man is a cute Shota and X is not. So Mega Man is better.

>>6278064
Put on your trip again.

>>6278067
Why would I use a trip? That's gay and lame. The point of the site is to be anonymous.

>>6278064
based
>>6278071
He's a schizo, ignore him

>>6278013
>The only good game Inti Creates has ever made was Curse of the Moon

Inti Creates wouldn't be able to make a bad game if they tried.

>>6278120
and more people need to play this

https://store.steampowered.com/app/774651/MIGHTY_GUNVOLT_BURST/

>>6273902
>flawless
No dash at the start automatically drops it a point.

>>6269793
They're both overrated. Technically amazing, but shallow games.

>>6277260
But X2 has little to no backtracking. It's the same as X1's.

>>6278064
>Never played them
No wonder you're a faggot/pedo.

>>6270646
Doesn't all Mega Man music rocks?

OP here just want to say I've beaten Mega Man X2 and am near completion of Mega Man X3. After reading this thread I think I will continue with Mega Max X4, then give up the X, and begin trying to conquer at least Mega Man 1-4, though apparently some feel 1 is donkey nuts so I may skip it if I play and don't like.

Best series: classic

Best game: MM9, pre 2000: MM4

Honorable mention: Battle & Chase, seriously unbalanced game but very underated

>>6278268
You should play MM1. Best music and powers in the entire series. Sadly, you're burning yourself on easier titles, so you probably won't get the full glorious experience. Try 4 or 6, at least, because they're easy and have lots of hidden unlockables like the X series does (smart thinking stopping that on X4, by the way).

>>6278013
Didn't like, Blaster Master Zero, huh?

>>6278256
Only the classic series. X series is mediocre guitar wank, and Zero is just terrible. Music quality coincides with game quality in this case

>>6278168
worthless post

>>6277992
>Megaman ZX
10 minutes in and it's been 90% terrible cutscenes with a spattering of non-platforming followed by a typical boring boss fight. Good start. Looking forward to meandering through bland characterless environments with generic music playing in the background and hearing this shitty voice with every charge shot. No wonder only retards and kids maintained interest in Mega Man games. At this point you're basically Sonic fans. Your favourite games are bad

>>6278790
cringe

>>6277992
>Megaman ZX
I want to like it but how anybody can play this mess and not get lost with or without a guide is beyond me. I don't mind their being a hub or town with NPCs but when it comes to choosing stages they should have just done that the old fashioned way.

>>6277992
>Zero 3
Jesus Christ, this is even worse than ZX. Why they think anyone without a brain tumor would want to read 15 minutes worth of this fanfic ever, let alone right at the beginning of the game, is embarrassing. Capcom needed a Miyamoto type of guy to go around telling Inti etc. that they can't write and to stop trying.

Also, X/Zero wall jumping has never been fun, so the fact that it's a major centerpiece of the "platforming" is a terrible decision. Batman on NES is an example of a game that does this right. And now that I'm comparing Batman and Zero 3 in my head, Z3's failure as an action game is even more glaring. What a nosedive this series took from the Classic Mega Man games. If there weren't so many great games in the series to go back to this would almost be tragic

The battle network series

X1 > power gap > X2 > X3 > Legends 1&2 > Rockman & Forte (only play Bass) > power gap > whatever is left in any order

>>6279210
>(only play Bass)
Good luck getting 100% that way. Bosses are typically much harder with Bass than MM, also.

>>6278790
>At this point you're basically Sonic fans. Your favourite games are bad
This has long been objectively true, sadly. Just that no one has been bold enough to admit it.

>>6279640
>>6278790
>muh fanbase
>>>tumblr

>>6278790
don't drag us all down just because ZX is shitty.

>>6278198
I've played and enjoyed Battle Network if that counts for something.

>>6279916
That's even worse

>>6279635
>Bosses are typically much harder with Bass than MM, also.
I think that's the point.

>>6269793
Megaman.EXE

>>6279635
>Good luck getting 100% that way.

Missing out on the fun of digging up CDs? Woe is me!

>>6278064
>megaMAN
>shota
X's armor makes his midriff stand out more, looks so soft

>>6269793
Mega man classic
specifically Mega man 2
https://youtu.be/FzSR_TFMirs

>>6278064
>>6278085
>>6280731
Sitting in a trash compactor in a Reploid junk heap would be appropriate for you lot.

>>6280780
>>6280731
He's canonically a kid who only fights because he knows it's the right thing to do. He'd rather be a lab assistant. Meaning he's a shota.

>>6281961
You're canonically a kiddie-fetishist, meaning being crushed alive in Morph Moth's or Junk Man's trash compactor is the right thing for you.

>>6280745
Okay redditaur.

>>6279635
>>6280508
To this day I'm still missing 3 discs and i've looked EVERYWHERE

also
>that one disc you have to dig for at the end of ground man stage

REEEEEEeeeeeee

The art pieces that come with the discs are based though

>>6269793
All of them are worth a play
One of my favorite things about Mega Man games is they tend to have great soundtracks.

Megaman gameboy games.

>>6269793
X1 is great. X2 is okay. The rest are junk.

The entire MM series is fantastic outside of MM8 which is just a bit meh.

>>6283737
Agreed. I firmly believe that without their amazing soundtracks, they wouldn't be half as beloved.

Battle network is best megaman

>>6284484
You must have been chemically castrated

>>6278056
It's literally a game about a viral outbreak, and the government that uses it as a pretext to suspend basic freedoms and grant unlimited power to a militarized law enforcement agency, and if you're in Washington or NY that probably hits very close to home.

Like everyone said, classic is more consistent, i played 1-6 and 9 and never found any of the games to be bad, i liked some more than others. The x series has some pretty good games (x1 and x4, never played x2 and x3) but there's also some abominations in there (x6 and x7)

>>6270709
t. Gamemaster3000

>>6276009
5 and 6 have the best RM themes in the series

>>6269793
X2 is such a massive improvement over X1 that it makes the latter obsolete to me

>>6285656
>t. retarded nostalgiamutt

>>6285751
What's next, are you gonna call Spike from Ape Escape Kakeru? Maybe you'll tell me your favorite Pokemon is Lizardon? Stop being a pretentious weeb and use the English names.

>>6286050
I don't play any of those games, but I use the Japanese names for all the characters in games I do play. It would be a pain in the ass for Pocket Monsters if you're already familiar with their English names since there's so many of them.

>>6278036
Here's your pity (you), schizo tranny.

>>6286107
The point is using the Japanese names for no reason when you're speaking English comes off really cringy and pretentious and it will confuse most people you talk to. Sure it's a quick Google search for them to figure out what the fuck you're talking about but if it's that simple, why would you change the names in the first place?
It's like with people who say "tate" and "yoko" shooters, like why? The fact those games came from Japan isn't relevant. Japanese people didn't invent the concept of "up and down" or "side to side". Could shmup fags really not be bothered to say vertical and horizontal?

>>6286183
Everyone knows the name Rockman and saying Megaman comes off as cringe and nostalgiafagging.
>It's like with people who say "tate" and "yoko" shooters, like why?
I've never heard of that, but I don't think it's comparable since those aren't names of characters and whatnot.

>>6279139
what a terrible opinion. z2/3 are the best mm games across the franchise

>>6286269
they're absolutely awful.

>>6286304
t. e rank pleb

>>6286190
>Dude, Magne Hyakulegger is such a pushover
>Who?
>Oh, Magna Centipede, my bad
This is how you look
Also
>saying Megaman comes off as cringe and nostalgiafagging.
pic related

>>6286107
So you're telling me you like to play as Butz in FF5?
Everyone, point and laugh

>>6286330
>>6286338
pic related (you) to the right

I bought the re-release of the 25th Anniversary artbook. Been re-reading it at night.

Sometimes the small description can say so much about the development of the games.

Like the double page about MM5, which in short tells you why it sucks.

>>6286348
Who's that?

>>6286403
Some fatso who most likely insists on calling him Megaman because muh nostalgia. He's the kind I guy I imagine you being.

>>6286435
Well this is the guy I imagine (you) being.

>>6285656
*Gamechamp3000
oops

Get back on topic

>MM5 was made by new comers who had no idea what they were doing

>>6287573

>we were out of idea and completely uninspired for this game

>>6287574
>>6287573

>others had to come help finish the game due to struggling with the game

I still like MM5, because the base MM mechanics alone make it fun; in fact I've spent the most time in 5 and I know its code inside out, but its the weakest classic entry, and these few quotes can say so much about why MM5 ended up being what it was.

>>6286190
Shut up, obese fart huffer.

Based Honey Woman

>>6287589
Sting Man is probably the best version out of them all for Hornet Man.

Hornet Woman thickness wouldn't have worked for NES, and the final Hornet Man' design ended up looking quite boring.

Sting Man looks slick however, and you can guess fast paced attacks from its design.

>>6287595
The only issue being that Bees spawning from his back wouldn't have worked for a NES style. You just don't do characters turning their backs at the player, and otherwise you wouldn't see where they come from either.

I think they should have went for Sting Man, get rid of the whole bee spawning, and replace it by Sting shots.

Considering they started by having the weapon concepts first, and bosses second, that wouldn't have worked however; and Bees are cooler than a generic Sting weapon.

>>6287579
You're the obese fart huffer here.

>>6287625
Nice comeback. Well done.

>>6287573
5 had the best RM music and Dark Man is one of the best tracks in the series

Legends 3 when?

>>6269793
Standalone i guess i could go for X1.
As a series i would ditch both for Legends and Zero / ZX, but the latter isn't retro.

>>6287926
>Legends
>Zero
>ZX
So you like all of the bad ones

>>6288673
At least better than most of the X games.

>>6276385
t. nintenfag

>>6269793
Classic by far.

>>6269801
I can't stand X1. The level designs feel poorly designed. I've made it far but get bored before finishing.

>>6289547
>The level designs feel poorly designed
That's because they are. They decided to de-emphasize platforming and emphasize boss fights. They must have thought that playing the Street Fighter II singleplayer campaign was more fun than some of the best action platformers ever made. And it gets a lot worse than X1; try X4 or a Zero game

>>6276385
X5 is significantly better than X3.

>>6289560
> And it gets a lot worse than X1; try X4 or a Zero game

That trend went on with the Azure Striker series, were pretty much only the bosses are an actual threat; but at least they made up for it with the scoring system which matters, where you're not allowed to take many hits (or any) if you wanna do it well, so in turns into endurance runs.

In fact, Zero series was already kinda like that to begin with.

I like Zero a lot but I hate how the system prevents you from getting all upgrades; or rather, if you wanna get all moves, you're not allowed to use half of the game mechanics. That sucks so much ass I can't believe it went on for 3 games, and it's the reason why Zero 4 is actually my favourite, because there it is allowed.

>>6289949
>if you wanna get all moves, you're not allowed to use half of the game mechanics

???
Using too many cyber elves results in a penalty but they're a crutch anyway, hardly "half the game mechanics"

>>6289984
You're literally not allowed to use a single one, including the hp+ ones, meaning you die 1-2 hits from certain attacks

>>6289991
>literally not allowed
You're absolutely allowed, but there's a score penalty. if you use too many you won't get a high enough rank. you can use a couple and still get high enough rank for EX skills

>die in 1-2 hits from certain attacks
Nothing is a one hit KO in these games except spikes like usual. Having trouble thinking of 2-hit KOs as well, but just use the sub tank

>>6289997
>if you use too many you won't get a high enough rank. you can use a couple and still get high enough rank for EX skills

So yes, you're not allowed to use most of what the game provides you. 1 or 2 out of dozens and dozens. It's dumb. They realized it, though a bit late, and fixed that shit in 4.

>>6290058
>not allowed
You're absolutely allowed. I don't know why you keep saying that. You can use a bunch of cyber elves or you can go for high rank for ex skills. Either way, neither of those are required to finish the game, and they are nowhere near "half the game's mechanics". You also didn't respond about dying in 1-2 hits without more HP which is also untrue.

4 removed score penalty for cyber elves, but 3 also added an option where you can use certain ones with no penalty. Honestly you don't sound like you've spent too much time with these games

>>6290312
It's literally impossible to take full advantage of the EX skills and of Cyber Elves at the same time.

So yes, it's half. Either you use the EX Skills, or you use the Elves, but you can't do both. You're locked out of half the upgrades no matter what.

Even a single penalty makes it very hard to earn an EX Skill and we're talking about using 1 or 2 Elves out of dozens.
I'll see you try to earn all the EX Skills while using a good half of all the Elves you find, "Honestly you don't sound like you've spent too much time with these games"

Honestly it's obvious they realized that stuff was just bad game design when first they reduced the penalty, before getting rid of it altogether, before being nowhere to be found in ZX series and having the challenge come from something that doesn't make you feel like you're missing out on half the game's upgrade, in a game system heavily relying on upgrades.

>>6290361
god you are so full of shit.

>It's literally impossible to take full advantage of the EX skills and of Cyber Elves at the same time.
never said it was. we went from "literally not allowed to use a single one and you'll die in 2 hits without them" to "can't take full advantage"
>So yes, it's half. You're locked out of half the upgrades no matter what.
ultra wrong. forms (except one), elemental chips, weapon levels, and some subtanks are upgrades that aren't tied to elves or rank. you can also get every ex skill and still use a coupe permanent elves, or even use the temp ones to boost your rank for ex skill.

>about using 1 or 2 Elves out of dozens.
there's like 25 unique elves and the rest are clones. out of those 25 unique there's like 10 that are permanent if you raise them fully and the rest only last for a mission, penalties included. so you can use more than 1 or 2.
>bad game design
lol, z4 is considered the worst and easiest in the series because it fucks with formula that 3 perfected
>a game system heavily relying on upgrades
fuck off, no upgrade is necessary.

>>6290361
>EX skills
>upgrades
>Cyber Elves
Fucking disgusting

>>6278169
This is bullshit. Without exploiting physics and glitches, you're going to backtrack in X2.

>>6270739
On the other hand, he's made of metal not rocks.

>>6290501
>god you are so full of shit.

I think you are because you know very well what I mean, for instance there is no way you got EX Skills on your first playthrough and you know very well the game balance is thought with using Elves in mind, the HP bar and upgrades alone show this. But, you must be long to that 1% players who's play Zero and who's actually liked it enough to become a "fan" so you'll do anything to defend the elements of bad game design, just like classic MM fans defending the CPU boss in MM2.

Now, let me rephrase explanation in a way that is completely clear.

>playing X1
>you pick up a Life Up that was right in front of you
>you enter the capsule to get the Dash upgrade that was right on your path

>later on you find out doing that locks you out of earning the bosses weapons
>if you want the boss weapons you gotta play without all other upgrades despite the game clearly being designed and balanced around having things like the Dash or Life Ups
>You're allowed to choose and use maybe 1 or 2 of those other upgrades but then you gotta play each stage perfectly to earn the boss weapons, which only works if you already know the game inside out

Anybody can see such a game system is going to leave out 99% of players, and even for the remaining 1% the system only works on re-plays, not on the first playthrough.

Earning boss weapons upon defeating them is the basis of Mega Man, even Battle Network got that and took it to a whole other level by including enemies to the scheme, hell, even Battle & Chase got that.

The only series that fucked it up is Zero. There is a reason why the 3 main pillars of Mega Man are Classix, X and Battle Network, and Zero is the black sheep considered a spin off because it could never lift above its trusted 1% fanbase.

For Z3 the devs had realized they had fucked up and wanted to fix it but didn't want to piss off these few fans either who like you defend the abomination, because those fans are all they could hope for at this point.

For Z4 they finally said "fuck it" because they realized this was getting them nowhere and the series would be dead if they didn't do something about it, but it was already too late. Still it's the best one in the series because it finally had the guts to right the wrong and to finally make a game that is for all players and not just for hardcore Zero players.

>>6291917
Even the sequels, ZX and ZX-A, no matter how average they are, at least got the basic game system right.

The game system is for everyone and not just for hardcore players, and they found other ways to please hardcore players with a much harder Hard difficulties or things like the Medals you can earn by beating the bosses flawlessly.

There is also a reason why it's called "ZX", despite being a direct sequel to Z, they wanted to get closer to X and the kind of audiance it had, and Z's game system is one of the things they had to drop for that.

Just to be clear, I did earn every EX Skill in every Zero game, but that doesn't mean I'm going to defend bad game design just because I was good enough to be rewarded on my subsequent playthroughs, which to me, feels like it's exactly what some Zero fans do because it makes them feel "special" to know only 1% of players got the bosses skills in a game series that was DEFINED by earning boss skills when you kill them.

>>6270739
>muh music names
Who the fuck cares, autist? "Mega Man" both is better alliteration and sounds way more badass. His English canon name is still "Rock" (see MM4), meaning the "Rock n Roll" reference is still there, so calm your tits.

>>6291940
>>6291917
Good posts. I never played past Z2, because Z1 was already mediocre enough and I got all the elves in that, and this next one was the opposite of fun. Glad to hear Z3-4 are much better, and I wanna get Advent for my b-day because I already have ZX and I remember (foolishly) believing the Zero series would just be more X-series amazingness before Z1 came out.

>>6270739
Mega Man makes more sense because that's his superheri name. If his name is Rock, why would he name himself Rock Man? That would be like naming yourself Tim Man, or Bob Man. Its fucking stupid.
At the least though, Rockman is not as dumb as recent localizations changing his regular name to "Mega". Literally fuck that shit, what the fuck.

>>6291970
>At the least though, Rockman is not as dumb as recent localizations changing his regular name to "Mega". Literally fuck that shit, what the fuck.

It makes sense though. In the Jap version, in his name is Rock Man, and people in the every day life call him Rock just like you'd call a Richard "Dick".

Having his every day name be Rock and his field name be Mega Man is pretty cool, but that's purely western material. Sticking to a single name with "Mega" and "Mega Man" is the closest you can get to the Jap version while using the name "Mega Man".

I do like "Rock" better for every day life name, because at least there is a real difference between life name and hero name (because going from "rock" to "rockman" as if adding "man" at the end of your name made you a super hero is pretty dumb, it's like japs got the wrong end of "Superman", thinking "man" was the hero part); but I'm just explaning that the other point of view has some sense to it as well.

>>6292006
>as if adding "man" at the end of your name made you a super hero is pretty dumb, it's like japs got the wrong end of "Superman", thinking "man" was the hero part

Come to think of it, this makes no much sense I can't believe it didn't hit me before.

For Japs, "Superman" is hero, but the common Jap culture is so bad with the English language, for them it's the "Man" part that mattered for being a hero (while obviously, it's the "super" part).

So, adding "man" at the end of names made you surperhuman because it's reminiscent of "Superman".

This is why "Rock Man" had to be changed to "Mega Man", because in the west there is nothing superhuman about "man"; and "super" being taken, "Mega" is the closest there is while sounding cool due to the aliteration.

In short, "Rock Man" is a dumb name coming from a cultural exchange misunderstanding, and when they say "Bomb Man" or "Elec Man", what they mean is "Super Bomb" or "Super Elec";

and the guy who came up with the name "Mega Man" is a genius that fixed it all for us all

>>6292006
>>6292019
You're all a bunch of knuckle-dragging retards. Rockman is like "Rock'n'Roll-man", doesn't that sound like a superhero name?

>>6292027
> Rockman is like "Rock'n'Roll-man", doesn't that sound like a superhero name?

No it doesn't. It sounds like the name you'd guy to a guitarist buddy. Adding "man" as a suffix doesn't make you superhuman, not in the west.

>>6292029
Well, besides Superman, there's Batman, Spiderman, Aquaman, Plasticman, Antman, all superheroes from western comics.

>>6292046
A man is not a superhero, a man with aqua powers is. It's an enhanced man, a super powered man....it's super power + man = super hero, a man who is a hero is just a hero

>>6292065
What about a man with rock powers? Not necessarily literally, but his powers are rock'n'roll?

>>6269793
They're both great, my only issue is X complicating the series as a whole with a convoluted timeline rather being its own thing

>>6291914
>>6291917
>>6291940
>1%
You are vastly overstating the difficulty of the Zero games. Harder than X babbies are used to though, clearly.

Look, the Zero games are different. They were made with replaying and speedrunning in mind. Not enjoying this does not make it bad game design. The games are not so difficult that it's impossible to beat them without using the HP elves, claiming they're balanced around them is just ridiculous. Zero gets plenty of upgrades aside from EX skills and elves, as mentioned in my previous post.

>locks you out of boss weapons
>if you want the boss weapons you gotta play without all other upgrades despite the game clearly being designed and balanced around having things like the Dash or Life Ups
>You're allowed to choose and use maybe 1 or 2 of those other upgrades but then you gotta play each stage perfectly to earn the boss weapons, which only works if you already know the game inside out

I explained in my last post why this is all incorrect, you're just deliberately ignoring facts.

>>6292283
>The games are not so difficult that it's impossible to beat them without using the HP elves

I didn't say it's impossible, it's possible in the same way it's possible to beat X1 without using a single upgrade or capsule

>I explained in my last post why this is all incorrect, you're just deliberately ignoring facts.

So you say it's possible on a first playthrough to get the boss weapons? That it's possible to get them and use the other upgrades without some insane requirement that need you to know the game inside out?

I don't see how the comparison is "incorrect".

EX Skills are the equivalent of MM boss weapons, down to the weaknesses system.

Meanwhile, they're locked behind requirements which are the equivalent of not using the upgrade capsules and Life Ups in X1; or maybe being allowed to use one or two but as a result having to speedrun through the game while barely getting hit in order to earn them.

>They were made with replaying and speedrunning in mind.

Exactly what I'm saying, but it's done in such a way that locks NORMAL players out of content, which, yes, are 99% of players

>You are vastly overstating the difficulty of the Zero games. Harder than X babbies are used to though, clearly.

It's not just about the difficulty. The majority of players just got the first EX Skill, maybe, if they got lucky, and only because they haven't even found many Elves to use. Which is partly how flawed the system is, most players don't even realize they're locked out of content until it's too late.

>>6292691
That's three posts now ignoring what I've stated here >>6290501. Here it is again for you, maybe you'll read it this time.

>without using a single upgrade
Zero starts with a dash. Weapons level up by using them. Elemental chips have no rank requirement. Forms have no rank requirement. There are subtanks to find. Plenty of upgrades available outside of elves and EX Skills. AND even if you decide that you want to use every cyber elf, there are ones that raise your rank so you can get at least some of the ex skills. Do you understand why it's incorrect now, retard? You wanting to have more HP does not make the game imbalanced.

>EX Skills are the equivalent of MM boss weapons
No, not even close.
>normal players
Normal players play games in the way they were designed, for Zero that would be speedrunning and replaying. If YOU don't want to do that, fine, but shut the fuck up about your 99% that you pulled out of your ass.
>it's not about the difficulty
>insane requirements
>speedrun through the game while barely getting hit
You sure make it sound like it's about the difficulty. A rank is not that hard to achieve, especially since it's averaged across missions.


The very obvious problem you have with the series is that you want it to be X. It's not. Deal with it.

>>6269801
While X1 deserves respect for setting everything up, 80% the game is simply not designed to have the dashing ability, yet X feels slow as fuck without it.

This is why I find X2 more enjoyable.

>>6292072
Then he's... just a regular musician?

>>6289547
>The level designs feel poorly designed.
Fucking idiot.

>>6292072
>>6293470

>>6291736
There's only one necessary revisit if you have a good route, just like in X1, and even then you can skip it with an exploit

>>6269793
Not to be that guy, but I like the controls and general gameplay more in MMX, while I feel like classic MM has better levels.