/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6281070
The remaster was patched in November which fixed the sprites and looped audio and doesn't suffer from slowdown like the PS1 version.

Probably the latter, I guess? The PS1 version has bugged textures everywhere and the pc version is based off that and didn't fix it, plus it applied a horrible filter on the game.

>>6281070
Wait for the Saturn version

>>6281070
PS1 original or PS1 undub on a CRT

>>6281070
The Saturn version looks amazing compared to the others. It will be worth waiting for. Took me forever to finish the PS1 version because whenever I moved the camera the horrible textures literaly gave me motion sickness. Play the Dreamcast version of the sequel while you wait (DON'T play the PS2 version whatever you do) its a great game and isn't tied to the story of the first.

>>6281080
>The remaster was patched in November which fixed the sprites
Oh they got rid of the smoothing filter?

>>6281596
>The Saturn version looks amazing compared to the others
Comparison?

>>6281596
Wasn't the Saturn struggling with 3D environments? But maybe that point is moot since most of the game is made of sprites, which the PS1 can't handle well.

>>6281787
No, the fix is they added the smoothing filter to the few sprites that didn't have the filter applied.

>>6282203
The Saturn had one ace up it's sleeve with VDP2. It could provide 2 rotating infinite planes which Grandia uses extensively. The base floor layer in most maps is using one of those planes on the Saturn, and that's the part that usually took a hit on PS1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UokSL_j7Ot8

>>6282224
Damn I that 'HD remaster' really butchered the whole game.

>>6281826

>>6282280
The PS1 has some weird texture placement on the ground but it seems to handle shadows and transparency better.

>>6282363
> but it seems to handle shadows and transparency better.

All the building shadows are missing on PS1.

>>6281596
>the sequel
>its a great game
It's a terrible game. If I had played it first I probably would have never bothered with Grandia 1, which is a masterpiece

>>6282280
Damn saturn looks so much better

>>6282280
In the PS1 version the characters have shadows that mimic their shape, and change depending on the angle, but in the Saturn version the shadows are all circles

>>6282374
Oh yeah I didn't notice that, I was too focused on Sue's shadows.

>>6282396
yeah but that's basically all it has. I'll take better effects, higher resolution assets, environment shadows and not-blurry backgrounds over better character shadows.

>>6282402
Battle Background compariosn

>>6282426
I didn't remember the PS version having such low res backgrounds. I'm watching that whole port comparison video and it's pretty obvious now. What the fuck?

>>6282534

It's a case of the Saturn's VRAM being used more effectively. PS1 has 1MB of Unified VRAM. This is used for everything including the frame buffer. Saturn on the other hand has it's VRAM broken down like this:

VDP1 (Sprites/Polygons): 512KB
VDP1 Frame buffers: 2x 256KB
VDP2 (Backgorunds): 512KB

So that ends up with 1.5MB of VRAM total if we include the frame buffers.

When porting 3D PS1 games to Saturn you usually hit an issue of not enough VRAM since VDP1 is going to be doing most of the work and VDP2 goes mostly unused. However since Grandia was made for the Saturn it uses VDP1 and VDP2 extensively. So in porting that to PS1 they hit VRAM limits and something had to get downgraded. They went for the backgrounds.

>>6282217
Disgusting

>>6281070
>wait
Dude I recently finished first Disc of Grandia on original Saturn with fan translation.
I can ensure you that every dialogue in game was translated fine. One thing that isn't translated are combat menus (rotating menu, name of spells and attacks are translated) but you can get use to them.

>>6282559
This guy fucks

>>6283089
>This guy fucks
This is as cringe as "kino" or "ludo."

>>6283084
The latest versions have the battle menu translated:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHAsiNm4dts

The latest version of Disc 1 also has all the voices properly synchronized and previous cutscene bugs fixed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEvC1ZGTC38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksCMlhL9miY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLvztcooNSA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzvhxNDLPJ8

They can be found here:
https://github.com/TrekkiesUnite118/GrandiaTranslation/tree/master/Releases

I noticed in the last 24 hours there was a new patch release for Disc 1. The filename says "v0.8.0", so I guess it is very close to being finished? I wonder if the translation port is far along now to give the first disc a play through or if I should wait.

>>6283618
What remains to be done so far is this:

Disc 1:
General polish and cleaning up (Fixing alignment of certain menu items, battle text, etc.)
Add text for voice only sequences (These are few on Disc 1).
Possibly uncensor the script (Replace Coffee references with original Alcohol references.)
Add Subtitles to FMVs.

Disc 2:
Synchronize voices with Text
Same General polish as Disc 1 plus figure out how to get Guido's full name tiles to fit in the battle results screen file.
Add text to voice only sequences (There's a few more of these in disc 2 and they are rather important to the plot.)
Possibly Uncensor the script (not sure if this is as big of an issue on Disc 2)
Add Subtitles to FMVs.

The big issue is adding subtitles to the FMVs. Grandia doesn't use any of the typical Saturn FMV codecs. It's an entirely custom codec.

Ps1 version with the hard patch. It's not actually hard just adds the ability to lose sometimes.

>>6284275
>The big issue is adding subtitles to the FMVs. Grandia doesn't use any of the typical Saturn FMV codecs. It's an entirely custom codec.
Are you involved with Saturn translation? Can you overlay subtitles on the FMVs, like subtitles on a DVD (or soft subtitles in a MKV file, etc.)? Or do the subtitles have to be hard encoded into the video? Has there been any headway with figuring out the codec?

Is there a working torrent for the steam November release? All I can find is the October one and I assume that version is pre bug fixed

PS1 original on a CRT. Avoid the Saturd version and its autistic fan translation when it’s released.

>>6285089
>Avoid the Saturd version and its autistic fan translation when it’s released.
Why?

>>6282559
I see, that would also explain the differences I've noticed between the Saturn and PS1 versions of other games (mostly Capcom fightan).
Thanks for the info, anon.

>>6283152
Terribly cringe opinion there, sir. That guy fucks.

>>6284997
I'm the one doing the bulk of the work on the translation. As for just overlaying subtitles you'd need to reprogram the games FMV playback code to draw text where it originally wasn't doing it before. So that probably would be more difficult. If the codec can be figured out doing hard subs would be the easiest route most likely.

As for figuring out the codec, not much progress has been made sadly. We know the audio is ADX and the video isn't Cinepak, Truemotion, etc. It looks almost MPEG or M-JPEG like, but it's definitely not MPEG Sofdec.

>>6285089
>PS1 original
The Saturn version is the original version, the PS1 version is the port that came out 2 years later.

>autistic fan translation
It's using the same English script as the PS1 version. Does that make the PS1 translation autistic?

>>6281070
pls dont mention saturn version it prolly never coming :(

>>6285497
>pls dont mention saturn version it prolly never coming :(
Bro, are you not paying attention? There is a Saturn English version underway, there are patches out now and from what I understand, while there is more work to be done the first disc is fully playable.

>>6285497
A new patch just released the other day.

>>6285419
Maybe Is a vcd codec variants

Just play Dragon Quest 8. Much superior.

>>6286629

Video CD is MPEG-1. It does look MPEG like but it's definitely not standard MPEG by any means.

>>6282217
>No
Then they didn't fix it

Learn Japanese

>>6282559

that was very informative. thanks, you're awesome!

>>6281070
PS1. Game's way better dubbed than subbed and the HD remaster looks like trash with those filters.

>>6287178
You can remove the filter, it's not really hard to do.
Fucking stupid you have to do it in the first place though

>>6287106
Would it be easier to somehow make an audio track from the English version on the PS1 version that is synced to the Saturn video, then mux it together?

There are various video editing and mixing tools that would allow you to mux in and replace the audio track without altering the video codec or container.

>>6282280
I wonder how they fucked up the textures so badly.

>>6289323
The audio is ADX, but to properly mux it you'd need to reverse engineer the file format anyways. So you may as well figure out the video format while your at it. Plus it would be really jarring to have it swap back and forth from Japanese to English.

>>6289429
The floors aren't really textures, they're VDP2 planes. So it's not really using polygons to draw it. Think SNES Mode 7 on steroids. The whole floor is one big bitmap of the ground with roads, shadows, etc. all baked into it.

Again when going to PS1 they now had to deal with less VRAM, and they had to draw the floors with polygons. So those giant bitmaps of the floors became small repeating textures.

>>6284275
>Replace Coffee references with original Alcohol references.
huh?

>>6290737
All references to alcohol were replaced with coffee. Example: All bars/pubs/taverns were changed to coffee shops, drunk NPCs say they're excited due to caffeine or something, and Justin says something like "I wish I was old enough to drink coffee".

>>6290746
oh, I see.

>>6281070
Wait for the saturn translation.
>>6282280
That doesn't even show the battles with half the graphics missing and noticably lower resolution on the ps1 version.

>>6282387
Yeah it's really bad. Especially compared to the first. They really dropped the ball. Tried to make it all edgy and grimdark to try to immitate squaresoft. They failed so hard, the story,characters and dialogue are awful.

epsxe

>>6291883
I'll take a cynical mercenary with a talking eagle over a snot nosed brat with an annoying little sister any day.

>>6291883
Least Ryudo is fairly funny in the early game, the game drops off a cliff once he starts rambling on about the POWER OF THE HUMAN HEART in the back half of the game.
Also Tio a cute

>>6291883 >dialogue awful
>>6292447
https://youtu.be/lJYhleO4udc

>>6282280
mostly the same.

>>6282280
If anything, playstation seems to look better so what's the big fuzz?

>>6295204
The floor layer is completely wrong. On Saturn there's actual roads, paths, etc. that make sense while on PS1 it's a simple texture that's repeated. Also all the building shadows are missing on PS and there's awful texture warping going on.

>>6295293
How in the fuck do I fucking emulate Saturn of all things?

>>6295318
Download an emulator and run it?

>>6295320
Does that shit work?

>>6295348

Of course they work, why wouldn't they?

>>6295348
>>6295318
4chan is 18+, please leave.

>>6281070
The remaster is the ugliest trash I've ever seen, a complete joke that's only gotten worse with updates. I pirated it on the Switch out of curiosity and felt immediate pity for any sap out there that paid money for such half-assed shit.

>>6283084
>Dude I recently finished first Disc of Grandia on original Saturn with fan translation.
The "fan translation" simply ported the PS1 script mostly unchanged, except for system menus exclusive to the Saturn they translated. Of course it's going to be identical.
The translation does seem to be authentic alcohol references aside, there's a reason why it's pissing off Vic Ireland because of "wasted potential".

>>6285420
If you don't like low res crap you're a weeb.
Dem japanese versions are pure evil

>>6295902
> there's a reason why it's pissing off Vic Ireland because of "wasted potential".

What?

>>6295902
>there's a reason why it's pissing off Vic Ireland because of "wasted potential".
I know he desperately wanted to do Grandia back in the day, but why would he care about a fan-translation now?

>>6296332
Yeah, I'm curious if he's actually mad about the patch or if he's just mad in general that he didn't get the opportunity the localize it back in the day.