/vr/ - Retro Games

Fuck Plutonia's map11, what a boring map.

=== NEWS ===

[3-19] Anon finishes Boom mapset:
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/112468-devils-grip-a-boom-compatible-episode-rc1-released/
https://www.dropbox.com/s/h4pyz6wu8xg1vu2/devilsgriprc1.wad?dl=0

[3-19] Another Colourful Hell beta build for the brown tier is out:
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=47980&p=1142633#p1142633

[3-19] SiN: Gold update is now available
https://store.steampowered.com/newshub/app/1313/view/1805320783852701260

[3-14] Part 3 of the Eviction episode for Blood released
https://www.moddb.com/mods/eviction-addon-for-blood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCqVc2wdfUw

[3-13] New episode of expansive Duke 3D mod Alien Armageddon released
https://www.moddb.com/mods/duke-nukem-alien-armageddon/downloads/alien-armageddon-31-space-gladiators

[3-13] Doom 4 Vanilla 2.5.9 has been released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/108725-doom-4-vanilla-v259-new-version/?page=24&tab=comments#comment-2093390

[3-13] DoomFrag has been released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZUm00JDxoo

[3-10] Doom 64's port will include a new episode
https://www.usgamer.net/articles/exclusive-doom-64-devs-reveal-the-port-will-include-a-brand-new-chapter?

[3-10] MetaDoom v666 "Titan" released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=1141138#p1141138

[3-8] StickGuy In DooM updated
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=66877

[3-8] Doom 2 map "Ground Zero" updated
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=67175

[3-4] Quake 2 singleplayer map "Outer outer base" released
https://twitter.com/Colonthreee/status/1234615435779301382

[3-4] New trailer for Blood mod Eviction: The Hive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0qcmqzSnQo

[3-4] Colourful hell brown beta #4 released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=47980&p=1140216#p1140216

[3-1] Wolfenstein 3D Retold First Preview
https://youtu.be/EvH_2fMTTFI

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Does anyone know how to make Quake 2's aim less "off"? It is a little annoying to have to aim slightly to the left to deliver a full hit with a shotgun.

huh

Man, I never really noticed just how slow I go through levels on Doom. It's so easy to get lost even with the map, and I can't fight back the urge to find secrets. It kind of makes me feel bad and ruins the experience for me a bit because the gameplay tells me to zoom through killing everything at mach speed. This is from someone who is playing Doom 1 all through for the first time.

>>6280184

First way through Doom 2. Is it normal that i'm finding this way harder than the original?
There are hordes of enemies fucking everywhere.
It's getting really tiring and annoying.
Maybe i shouldn't play on Ultra Violence?

>>6280215
Maybe you shouldn't, if you have vagina between your legs.

>>6280215
Just use the super shotgun.

plutonia is for shit eating retards

>>6280249
You is for shit eating retards.

shoot at nuid until it dies

>>6280154
I just finished a Boom compatible map I've been working on sporadically since last year. It's a fairly linear ordeal. I'd like to know what YOU, the public, thinks of this map.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/legf17lch6ac67x/aansans.wad

Here is your every few thread reminder to play Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II

did the Knee deep in COVID-19 thread on Doomworld get deleted?

>>6280316
It's still there.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/112750-release-knee-deep-in-covid-19/

Any good rpg mods?

>>6278037
Started a new map while I put another on the backburner for a bit.
wish i could make those gears turn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNDFfNfatug

>>6280348
pretty funny but im surprised it didnt end with the archvile killing the zombieman only to immediately resurrect him

Can't wait to see the first mad man that does a wad with Eternal's Marauder. Probably would be more balanced than the actual marauder since it would have an actual recognizable frame to shoot it.
If I had skill with decorate I would but the most I can do is a pinky with Archvile abilities.

>>6280190
I wouldn't feel bad about it, part of the fun of playing Doom is exploring these bizarre, abstract locations and getting a feel for the level as you progress through it. Doom is actually a really relaxing game and its reputation as KILL SHOOT DEATH nonstop action is something of a misconception.

>>6280306
I had such a crush on Sariss when I was 12. Great game.

>>6280289
I recorded a demo that has a voice recording inside of it with my live thoughts and reactions, which you can listen to while it plays in this fork of PRBoom: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/96894-my-prboom-build-with-in-demo-voice-recording-support-and-something-extra/ (the demo will work in normal PRBoom too)

https://anonfile.com/DdQeL1i8o7/AANSANSFDA_lmp

This was not a particularly interesting map. No fights really stood out as memorable or tricky or involving more thought beyond "keep shooting until they die," and there are multiple points where all I had to do was just stand at a doorway and keep shooting and occasionally twitch around a projectile. Even the double-cybie fight at the end is basically just an extended exercise in circlestrafing. The map is not particularly detailed visually (though the leaking nukage tank was pretty cool), so combined with the very bog-standard shooting and the sheer size of the map, it was a pretty boring affair. The map flowed well enough that I don't think I was truly lost, but there's a blue door by a flight of stairs full of specters and hell knights that doesn't open, meaning that those monsters are useless because they won't attack unless you actively hit them.

This was a perfectly serviceable map, though it could probably have been cut down in size a good amount and still kept most of what it was trying to do. Your fundamentals are alright, but I think you could afford to think about cool setpieces or more complicated fight setups to make your maps more than just walking down one hallway to the next.

Thanks for making it.

How can all WADs be canon, including HDoom and pic related, if Doomguy was confirmed to be a virgin by John Carmack?

>Plutonia II map03
>accidentaly pickups blue skull by bumping
That feels like cheating desu.

>>6280394
You're still a virgin unless you have sex with another human.

>>6280215
DOOM2 is definitely denser than DOOM1. I wouldn't call it that much harder necessarily but it's a different experience and if you're not used to it then I can see it being tricky. Personally I prefer my DOOM maps to have dense encounters; if you think DOOM2 has hordes of enemies just wait until Final DOOM.
I think there's nothing wrong with playing on HRP but I wouldn't switch over just yet; I think it's possible you just haven't gotten used to DOOM2's mapping trends and haven't learned how to handle the new enemies yet, since some of them really change up how combat is played. What map are you on, by the way?

>>6280403
I'd argue that imps are at least humanoid and count towards Doomguy's fuck list.

>>6280332
>wish i could make those gears turn
Looks like someone picked the wrong retro engine

>>6280306
I was planning on playing through the whole series but got filtered by Dark Forces I, that snowy base level where you gotta break in, the ceiling turrets are utter fucking BULLSHIT.

Trying to make this room look better. Not so sure about cobblestone supports, but can't think of what I should replace them with.

Also got a weird thing on the lower textures where a few sidedefs are drawn with the wrong offset.

Trying to liven up the room (This time proper screenshot) - hell is surprisingly harder to work with than techbase.

Got a weird thing with several side textures who seem to think they start 16 units below the floor.

>>6280429
Just look up at them. It makes shooting at them a lot easier.

I don't know how it took me so long to realize that doomguy getting brought in by a medieval culture and becoming their warrior king through his brutish, unconventional methods is basically one giant nod to army of darkness.

>>6280387
Thank you for playing my map, anon! I'm truly sorry it wasn't really all that interesting, but I appreciate the time you spent.

It wasn't really intended to play stop and pop, I was hoping you'd run around more a little recklessly, but if it's the only way that works then it's the only way that works. I'll keep your feedback in mind for the next map I make, I promise it'll be at least not boring. I think I'm too focused on visual things, even though the visuals here aren't particularly mind meltingly amazing; I did a whole bunch of minor tricks to try to sell the 3D environment. I am glad you seemed to like the nukage room, I just threw that in for shits and giggles because I needed to have a room there. The hell knight spectre hallway was the blue door in the SSG room, though it's easy to miss because it doesn't flow there. There was an walk over action line there that was blocking use on the other side of the door, so that sucks.

Again, thanks for playing my level, and thanks for your honest feedback, and thanks for actually playing 30 minutes of my map.

How long do you think it'll take before people port the new 64 levels to 64 EX or classic doom?

>>6280459
Happy to do it. I really like recording demos for people's new maps.

My taste is certainly not objective, but when I think about some of my favorite maps like E4M2 or MAP04 of Plutonia, the reason to play aggressively or even somewhat "recklessly" is because you're forced into high pressure situations: in M2 you are immediately under fire from enemies and almost any movement you do will just wake up more enemies, meaning you have to act decisively and play skillfully because there's nowhere to hide, and Plut MAP04 starts you out getting descended right into a fuckfest, so your only choice is to sprint to the area of least resistance and carve out a safe space to start pushing back from. Because I'm coming from that sort of background (and because I generally play with no saves), if there's any safe way I can handle something then I'll take that so I can be better prepared for a hot deep dicking later. If you want to make the player play dangerously, force them into danger.

>>6280145
are there any wads/mods that let me play as a cute little girl, fellas?

>>6280170

Judging by Eternal here is how next game is going to be.
>Bethesda Softworks proudly presents Doom Infinity Endgame®©™

>in addition to old arsenal you have 5 more exciting new totally not forced gimmick secondary weapons:
>Hell Mighty Slayer Boot (Doom Slayer© brutally kicks demons sending them to other map,downside it has 1 hour cooldown)
>Hell Gore Codpiece (Doom Slayer's© crotch is weapon on its own showing you in brutal PG13 detail how he sexually punishes demons),
>Hell Brutal Slayer Head (The Doom Slayer's© head launches like guiding rocket from forcing player to control both head and Doom Slayer© at the same time)
>Hell Parrot (identical to Brutal Slayer Head its specifically important to take down shielded enemies, now 95% are shielded, you have to control both Parrot, Head and Slayer at the same time)
>Hell Soul Cube (dramatic return of long awaited weapon from Doom 3:BFG Edition© now it has ability to slow down time, now its more useful than ever because every enemy moves like burning squirrel on crack)
>Remember to bind all 10 keys for secondary weapons properly you will need it all to survive Hell's onslaught!

>You have 5 ammo by default on every weapon, upgrades add 1 ammo each to your count
>glorykills have 1minute cooldown because fuck you casuul

>In the end you fight HellBowser and rescue mushroom princess

#Raze Hell 2024 Slayers!

>>6280332
You can by making a fuckload of sector for each gear then raising/loweringh them instantly.

The floor texture can't rotate tho - that's an engine limitation.

>>6280587

>>6280604
Show me on the caco where Eternal hurt you

eternal and doom16 play nothing like retro dooms

Hey fellas have their been any good duke mapsets lately, not talking about Alien Armageddon or any shit like that, just good ol fashioned duking. Last one I played was Duke Hard which was a while ago so I'm sure there's some good stuff I haven't seen.

>>6280604
you really thought this was funny enough to post it off-topic in a /vr/ thread? Go play in traffic you defective mongrel

>>6280587
Demonsteele if you dont mind korean mini dante

Yeah, I don't think this ceiling design is working well for me. Or anything, really.

Should I align textures as I go or after the map's done? It feels like half my time spent on a map is texture alignment.

>>6280713
You'll probably forget after all is done. I know I do. And even if you retexture, alignment will still persist.

Dumb brainlet question, but if anyone has played AMC tc, how the fuck do I exit the loadout? I clicked on what seemed to be chemistry desk because the game just dumped me in the middle of a mansion and now I'm stuck in this menu. Nothing closes it.
The help screen helpfully gives no info on this.

Continuation on the green marble arean progress. I don't know if anyone actually cares but posting my progress here helps me.

Take a wild guess what would happen once you press the switch behind your back.

Heya, I need help on finding some hidden console commands from Doom'16
There were some unlisted commands that looked something like r_skipworld or vid_skipenvironment or something like that - a lot of commands that allowed to skip the rendering part of the scene.
I want to spriterip weapons from DE and those commands would really help me.
Unfortunately neither tab-autocompletion nor listing cmds/cvars bring them up in any of the games. I know they exist since I used them quite a bit. I found them on some forum that I presume is now defunct since I can;t find it.
I can't those cmds on the internet - any search only shows stupid cheats and stuff that can be listcmd-ed.

>>6280778
Uuuhhh the pillars lower and some monsters are on them?

>>6280604
imagine being this mad at videogames

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1m6lPEPI86IYoLQJYJErD2nDlxaxJ57hJ

Updated my mod, again now it has proper font, menu and some audio fix ups for those who couldn't hear very well the songs, i've made them louder so that you can hear em better!

Is there a doom repository that allows you to filter by map theme in addition to rating?

>>6280858
Made a small update (Link is the same) fixed the keys being on the wrong offset in the doomguy hud.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oe5wShCxcI

>>6280858
>Zandro
No player classes
>GZ
Attempt to override non-existant function

>>6280881
What version of Gzdoom you are using?
i am currently using The latest stable

That fixed it

Doom can run Doom
I assume its just the unity build inside.

Every .wad is technically canon

>>6280892
It would be cool if it supported dehacked, so you could play rekkr and shit

>>6280145
>SHOOT AT ID UNTIL IT DIES
>quake 1 where you literally don't shoot at it
should have been Quake 2

What are the differences between the new PC release of Doom 64 vs Doom 64 EX? Is it worth getting the new official port? I don’t care about the money, just the quality.

Also, I have a memory of my childhood playing Dark Forces at a theme park in VR. I can’t find anything online about it. Did I make this up?

>>6280902
>What are the differences between the new PC release of Doom 64 vs Doom 64 EX?
New release removes jumping and freelook (they weren't in the original game) and adds a brand new episode. Everything else is the same I think?

not a /vr/ shooter but I got wrath aeon of ruin yesterday and was pretty disappointed. sure it's still really early in development but the game is all style and no substance. it''s nice to see what the quake 1 engine can do but the AI is dumb as fuck, there are very little enemies, most weapons feel like shit
still I trust 3d realms and will probably try it again once it's completed

Anyone else thinks the Quake community is bad? They take months to release a single level, and when it's done, it's completely linear and takes 10 minutes to complete. It's a shame because Quake is my favorite game but no project has yet topped the original episodes.

>>6280778
That looks pretty cool, anon. Keep us updated

>>6280910
kinda feel the same
dusk>ion>aeon

where do i get Hexen 2

>>6280910
I think it has the potential to be GOTY 2020, but so far it isn't that impressive.
There's some issues with there being too many powerups/saves, the cyst gun and some alt-fires practically being useless and the music being dull, but I wouldn't say it doesn't have a direction.
Currently the main issue with its style is that the music is forgettable and dull. The tracks only last 3 minutes each and I don't think they play for the whole level.
I also hope the upcoming enemies are more creative with their attacks, the big frog is the only one with an unorthodox pattern so far.
Devs did say the EA is basically "demo-fied" so I hope those issues get fixed. The next hubs will be more "alien" too.

>>6280910
(reposting)
What do you mean by "substance" exactly?

I think it has the potential to be GOTY 2020, and it's very impressive so far, but lacking too much in some areas.
There's some issues with there being too many powerups/saves, the cyst gun and some alt-fires practically being useless and the music being dull, but I wouldn't say it doesn't have a direction.
Currently the main issue with its style is that the music is forgettable and dull, and the crypts/dungeons in the levels can be too samey.
The tracks only last 3 minutes each and I don't think they play for the whole level.

I also hope the upcoming enemies are more creative with their attacks, the big frog is the only one with an unorthodox pattern so far. Next update will add a new level and two new enemies so let's see how creative they are.

Devs did say the EA is basically "demo-fied" and everything is subject to change, so I hope those issues get fixed. The next hubs will be more "alien" in their theme according to them too.

I already got 40 hours of game out of just these three levels so they must be doing something right.

Also it's /vr/ considering it's the Quake 1 engine.

shillie and shill man lives

Windows Defender says the latest Crispy Doom executables have trojans in them. That's obviously horseshit, but is anyone else getting this? Virus Total is also saying the exe files are infected.

Did they fix the glitch on Hectic in the new Doom 64 port?

>>6281010
Happened to me too. You can't trust Windows Defender half of the time.

>>6280920
What about the official expansions and Prydon Gate?

I am working on a Doom 64 themed Heretic project right now but I have one concern. Should I keep it in UDMF so there can be colored lighting and not have to worry about episode transitions or make it Boom compatible so people can easily co-op it?

Are there any quakeworld source ports that utilize software rendering and can join MVDSV servers? A few years ago I checked up on this, but there was none.

>>6281061
There's no such thing as "boom compatible" with Heretic.
The only other source ports that support it are Chocolate/Crispy, Legacy-based and Doomsday, none of which are fully Boom-compatible. (later two only support certain linedefs but not the other functions)

So if you want advanced editing features UDMF is pretty much your only option.

>>6280880
They are really lame with the speed nerfed like that.

>>6280145
I downloaded the newest version of GZDoom and there's now a Vulkan option in the launcher. Is it better than Open GL? I have a GTX1060 6gb.

Sorry for asking to be spoonfed, but what do you guys think of Doom Eternal so far?

Doom Eternal is not /vr/ and Eternal posts are being deleted.

>>6281134
a game loosely based on the old doom games, with painkiller like gameplay, my opinion

>>6281164
like a mix of serious sam/painkiller arena divisions in levels, brutal doom fast paced and "brutal" gore and fatalityes, and old doom sprites for inspiration for some of the monsters minus the hitscan style enemies. So... the worst things for everything in my opinion

>>6280892
It's a cool feature, but wouldn't it consume too much energy just to play classic Doom?

>>6280145
>>6274197
WRONG PREVIOUS THREAD!!!!

>>6281134
game is good for one romp
However I regret purchasing it. Sadly, can't refund bc.>2hr

The devs and "critics" compared it to "combat chess"
This only holds true if you replace all the pieces with pawns

The enemies have some basic rock-paper-scissors vulnerabilities that equates to "Use gun X against enemy Y if you can, if you can't - no biggie"

The worst part is what they did to ammo economy
You have very small starting ammo pool. Your Shotgun holds 12 ammo and the rifle maybe 60 or something like that, 9 rockets tops at the start
But there are upgrade systems! That up the counter to maximum of 23 shells, 180 bullets and whooping 13 rockets. Don't remember how many cellls you start with but you end up with 225

I guess the intention was to prevent player from running around with same gun whole game
HOWEVER that intent goes completely down the drain with the next part:
To justify the low ammo travesty you are given infinite chainsaw. If you spend all charges, you regenerate one automatically in 20-30 seconds. And the trash monsters to use it on repsawn constantly whenever there's a fight going on (there are 2 or 3 fights where they don't do this, but all major fights and bosses do it)

So what you have is infinite ammo and a cooldown you have to press every 30 seconds to stay topped

Armor is the same. You get it by igniting monsters with Flamebelch and it regens faster than you need it, with a perk that makes it regen even faster

Wow such skill, so strategic. Pushing 2 buttons every time they cooldown

And the forums are full of brainless corporate addicts that dismiss any criticism with "It requires strategiuc thinkhen!", "You juhst don't undersund! U haf to git gud!" and "You just angery cus its not 1 to 1 recreation of '93 game!"
I wish I was joking but I'm not

The "deepest lore" is generic "heaven is using hell to instill faith and fear of god into plebs", that towards end "evolves" into "hell gathers souls for aliens to run their alien machinery"

>>6281205
Thanks for the reply, anon. Would you say this is better or worse than Doom 2016 was? because to be fair, once you get the super shotgun and gauss rifle, that game is over, you literally need nothing else and it's almost hard to run out of ammo.

>>6281096
Sorry habit forced me to type out Boom compatible instead of non-UDMF I am trying to figure out if people would necessarily care if a Doom 64 inspired project was missing some of the games scripted features. This is mostly for Zandronum compatibility.

>>6280756
Because you got a stepladder in Zelda 1

Using a zscripted chat system for shits and giggles now. The typing in the vid shows what it looks like and what it can do.

>>6281209
Levels are better if you don't mind Golden Souls 2 platforming.
Combat is better if you don't mind watching a chainsaw cutscene every 30 seconds

I say pirate it, play it. See for yourself. Beth released DRM-free version by mistake

>>6281217
there's no reason to go non-udmf

>>6280881
As basic as his mod is it uses newer Zscript stuff, so you HAVE to use a newer build of GZdoom.

>>6281229
Now make it show UT-like box with portrait and text wrapping-within-box's constraights

Oh uh, bottom bar on the the chat webm will conceal the chat input if you mouse over it

>>6281229
How many filters are you gonna put out there i might ask?

>>6281229
> the last one
space book say this is good

the console-in-chat is also really cool an useful for not pausing the game in sp and not blocking the top half of your screen

>>6281239
I think I prefer free floating text over a box. There's a lot of boxes already lol
>>6281242
Just a very small number as easter eggs/humor.
>>6281251
It was mostly an exercise to teach myself string handling, but yeah it could have some uses. Could use the same concept to ping the position under your crosshair in a netgame or something. Spawning was just the most obvious thing to try.

So anyone take a look at the WAD for Doom 64? Anyway to make it work in the source ports?

>>6280920
I mean, was the level design in Quake any different then that? I don't remember any sort of maze-like level design, it was very straight forward.
If you're talking about map size and time to beat certain maps, then yeah, it is quite different, but I would argue that is the exact same case with Doom WADs.

Play testing my marble room ambush revealed that hiding in the corner and trying to plasma a group of monsters to death before Archvile reaches me isn't this fun.

Perhaps a way to return to elevated areas from the cave that opens alongside with monster columns will add some much needed tactics to it.

>>6281231
I will keep it UDMF but not use zscript. Turns out the D46 for Doom 2 project provides a few examples of what I can do.

>>6280932

bump

need quake engine and hexen 2

>>6281264
It opens up normally in SLADE. I'm sure you could do something with that information.

>>6281264
Have you tested if it runs in Doom64EX?

>>6280932
>>6281290
You can find it in the MEGA links in the OP.

>>6281314

I found hexen 2 but am i supposed to download Quake itself or is there a runner somewhere?

>>6281318
Hexen 2 is its own game

>>6281310
It doesn't. Not unmodified, at least.

>>6280920
>it's completely linear and takes 10 minutes to complete
Maybe sometimes, but there's a lot of maps with cool non-linear design.
>It's a shame because Quake is my favorite game but no project has yet topped the original episodes.
Uh youve played Arcane Dimensions, right?

What obstacles do block Arch-Vile? Only full wall?

>>6281348
Only solid walls and pillars.

>>6281348
I think it works like a hitscan directed to your midsection

>>6281354
So if there's any opening, even over our head it will cast?

>>6281358
It won't cast if it's above your hitbox, but if there's something infront of you, say a box, you'll get hit with the attack, but the box will absorb the splash damage, and you'll only take like, 20hp of damage

>>6281358
Alternatively, refer to this classic

https://youtu.be/HJcf0aOwmiA

>>6280910
Yeah I didn't like it either. Level design and enemy placement are quite bad and as you said, the weapons leave something to be desired.

>>6281348
>>6281358
decino has a pretty good video covering how Archviles work in detail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsVWdMVYJgk

I was going through idgames and found this Hokuto No Ken mod. The author made some odd decisions such as replacing multiple textures and only adding material from the first 22 chapters.
Might learn how to make gameplay mods and make my own at some point that adapts all of HnK 1.

Give me the best Heretic mods please

>>6281389
The Wayfarer / Wayfarer's Tome

>>6281389
Wayfarer Tome
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/105714-the-wayfarers-tome-a-standalone-gameplay-mod-for-heretic-update-beta-4-with-bugfixes/

>>6280145
>big boys
Shub Niggurath is a gril though

>>6281389
https://mikestoybox.net/2017/06/29/karnak/

>>6281229
I want to drink that healthbar.

>>6280587
I've had an idea for a Halloween one, where you have to save a sibling that was lost or kidnapped. Just haven't put the time or effort into starting it yet.

>>6281389
You know, guys, two threads ago I was talking about how I am sitting on two unfinished gameplay mods. So I decided to upload one now. It's Heretic-only, and it is fully playable, though I have planned to add one more gun to it (you can see an unfinished version by giving or summoning "elephantgun" through console".
http://www.mediafire.com/file/w0u970iqfgt156r

>>6281534
What's that supposed to be? Nazi occultism?

>>6281538
The working name was "Alabama Smith and the Heretical Kingdom". Basically, elf got lost somewhere and now you have to save everything as an adventurer archeologist. Nazis, of course, do their usual thing and try to capture magical artifacts. I originally planned to add random traps to every artifact item, but so far I only added Nazi ambushes on top of every artifact. Also I was dumb and recolored Wolfenstein SS sprites from Doom instead of getting sprites from one of the thousand Wolfenstein-inspired mods lying around, forgetting that they have no rotations for attack animation.

Is there anything like quakeinjector that isn't portadoom? I'm considering developing one, maybe tied to idgames instead. Is there any interest for such thing?
fuck java tho

>>6281340
Arcane Dimensions. So? It's a jam with no actual consistent episode, so the levels might as well be their own single releases. And the levels aren't nearly as replayable as Quake's originals. Even then, it's just a single project. Doom had tons of projects that surpassed the original levels by the year 2000.

>>6280613
Visplane overflows everywhere.
>>6280417
Well. For this one thing, sure.

>>6281267
Most of Quake's levels are non-linear and offer a variety of ways to tackle the progression. Levels don't exactly need to be 'mazes' have this. Rocket jumping adds to this even more.

It's certainly not the same case with Doom wads. By 1999 there was already Memento Mori 1/2, Requiem, HR, Eternal, STRAIN, Batman Doom, Plutonia, and several other quality projects with multiple maps.
Obviously Doom modding kicked off faster for it was far easier than mapping for a fully-3D game. But now it's been 21 years since Quake's source code release and how many notable fan-made episodes are there for Quake? It's mostly single levels that don't offer nearly as much as Quake's original set.

>>6280901
You can kill shub nigguroth by shooting or axing. It's just a collosal waste of time.

>>6281671
Doom engine (Does it have a name) is a pinnacle of a now extinct genre. And Build engine I guess.

Anyone who wants to mod Quake is better off modding Half-Life, Unreal or what else there is with good editors.

Lads, I was messing with the settings on gzdoom and now idk what the fuck was doom supposed to look like

is this alright ?

Any Quake maps that feature more dangerous underwater creatures?

>>6281645
>And the levels aren't nearly as replayable as Quake's originals.
Subjective.

>>6281441
I don't want to kill the monster girl enemies...

So I was snooping as usual in the DRLA monster pack to read the bestiary stuff since it doesn't save across playthroughs and I noticed the armageddon former captain. He's intrigued me ever since. How does he work? Is it a coop only thing?

>>6281402
I think you're not understanding who are the big boys here.

>>6281742
Looks alright. Try out brightmaps some time, see how you like them.

>>6281682
>Doom engine (Does it have a name)
idtech

>playing Sigil
>reach E5M6 "Unspeakable Persecution"
>wtf that sounds like an autogenerated Oblige name
>mfw I found out why it's named that way

Name three (3) things that Quake Fortress and Team Fortress Classic did better than TF2

>>6281806
I've never played Quake fortress but TFC is far better than tf2 because you can bhop, you can conc jump, you can get launched from a sniper and you can poison people

>>6281782
Care to share your findings with us?

>>6281682
>Doom engine (Does it have a name)
id Tech 1, then there's id Tech 2(the engines used for Quake 1 and Quake 2, the GoldSrc, Source, and Source 2 engines are all descended from this one as well), id Tech 3(Quake 3, the IW engine the CoD games use is descended from this one as well), id Tech 4(Doom 3), id Tech 5(Rage), id Tech 6(Doom 2016), and id Tech 7(Doom Eternal)

>>6281820
Cyberdemon labyrinth

It would be more appropriate to name all post-Rage engines as yid tech

>>6281806
airburst EMP grenades
conc
hunted

Which is the best way to play doom 64 now? The eternal version or the fan PC.port?

>>6281671
>Most of Quake's levels are non-linear
no, no they aren't

>>6281645
Goalposts be shiftin!

>>6281842
Eternal version

>>6281842
The eternal version is an update to the free fan port. It adds a new episode, but also removes some "inaccurate" options like vertical mouselook.

I never played the original Doom 64 on console, just EX. Are you supposed to lose your demon keys on pistol start? You do in the new port.

>>6281806
Fixed class look instead of a hat show.
Rock2 and more game types with additional mechanics.
Destructible terrain in rock2 and warpath.
Grenades making classes unique in how they can approach situations instead of just shooting.
Much much faster so classes like sniper have to be played by a good player not any scrub.
Medics have to think about healing not just holding m1
Demo can lay packs that explode later.
The game isn't full of meme shit where everyone's playing snowflake classes wanking off unicorns instead of having a balanced team v team game.
Heavy can move faster than scout if you have the skill.

>>6281856
>>6281857
Ty. I had horrid flash backs to Duke world tour and figured j should ask.

>>6281229
GOOD

>>6281876
Marisa, what are you working in right now?

Interesting how Pinkies go from inefficient fucks to absolute terrors when switching to fast monsters.

>>6281857
>>6281906
Does Doom 64 have an option for Fast Monsters?

ZOOM ETERNAL

>>6281806
nothing

>>6281915
Refute:
>>6281815
>>6281839
>>6281872

>>6281917
nostalgia

>>6281913
It has nightmare.

>>6281927
Might as well have posted a wojack too, with that kind of argument.

>>6281806
Grenades.
That neat half-serious aesthetic, the cartoon style TF2 does is charming, but it's also not as good.
No fucking hats.

>>6281937
old good new bad

>>6281969
Honestly, I wouldn't mind the hats if only Vulva had some restrain with them. Like, no neon colors, no ridiculous shit outside of Halloween/full moon.

fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck this thing with something hard and sandpapery.

>>6281806
I can't because it isn't
grenades are fucking horrible

i wonder if add ons like double impact being added means people will consider some wads as "canon"

>>6281982
based

>>6281983
Spending even 1 second thinking about doom "canon" is gay as fuck.

>>6281806
can't really think of anything it truly does better than TF2 does, indeed for the niche TF2 fills I'd say it's basically the best in it's class;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuqImZKygvw

Is there a weapon skin somewhere that replaces Q1's double shotty with Q3's?

>>6280145
Where would you rather get Quake1 Quake 2, Q3A, and Build Engine mods:
>Nexusmods
>Googledrive
>GUNnetwork
>Moddb.com
>Tor Network hidden sites
>Freenet storage sites

>>6282059
>Quake 1
Quaddicted
>Quake 2
Colon Three's blog
>Q3A
Not sure, haven't played it in a while
>Build
No particular place of preference

OH SHIT

>>6281534
Come on, guys, no one wants to shit on my hard work?

It was in relation to D'Sparil, silly.

>>6281645
>It's a jam with no actual consistent episode,
And? Most of the maps are practically the length of an original episode.

>so the levels might as well be their own single releases
But they aren't, and there's new things which are shared between.

>And the levels aren't nearly as replayable as Quake's originals.
I'd argue they're at least as replayable.

>>6281872
>meme shit where everyone's playing snowflake classes wanking off unicorns

What exactly are you trying to convey, Anon? Can't read your mind y'know

Just wanted to say thanks to a fellow in the /v/ Quake thread last night for namedropping Quake 1.5. The guns feel sooooo fucking good. Everything about this is really right. It may be a little too close to Brutal Doom for most, but I've played Quake enough that this is a really nice coat of paint to play through Quake again with. The only knocks I have are that the super shotgun really needs a hand model underneath it, and the sounds pilfered from Half-Life are a bit uncanny.

And then he mentioned Arcane Dimensions is actually better? Sheeet going on a Quake binge for this corona shit.

>>6281645
Quake isn't like Doom where you're trekking through techbases and Hell all within the same universe. You're a dimensional hopper, the places you visit aren't meant to be consistent in tone.

Going Down map 12 is kicking my ass god damn

>>6282149
Going Down will do that to you a lot.

>>6282149
Yeah you coulda just said "Going Down is kicking my ass god damn" and it'd still apply.
What a great wad.

>>6282062
q3a has .:lvl

>>6280920
>community is bad because they don't make 60 minute long levels
Feel free to start mapping for Quake yourself and see how long it take to make a level that is on par with something like AD.

Reminder that Eviternity did it first and better.

>>6282207
Didn't ask for 60 minute long levels. Asked for a consistent episode of 5 minute levels that are as creative as the originals and not just shit that looks good and plays dull like most jams.
This is why Quake's community is dead compared to Doom's. No one tries to make anything actually good, they just follow what's popular for the 20 people that still play Quake usermaps, such as AD, because it's the only project that ever had more than a few dozen downloads.
>>6281843
Prove it.
>E1M2, E1M3, E1M5, E1M8, E2M1, E2M2, E2M3, E2M5, E2M6, E2M7, E3M1, E3M2, E3M6, and the entirety of E4 are technically non-linear.

>>6282225
did what?

>>6282237
>technically non-linear
misc_goalpost fell out of world at (628,223,7)

>>6282241
better

>>6282251
is this about heaven?

>>6282272
look its just better, ok?

>>6282237
AFAIK it's because Quake 1 never went open source.

>>6282281
https://github.com/id-Software/Quake
You know shit. Even Doom 3 went open-source.

>>6282273
i don't think eviternity was the first wad to do heaven but i do agree heaven should look like actual heaven (and be named like that), while at least maintaining some weirder additional elements, similar to hell
urdak feels like they didn't wanted to copy diablo, bayonetta or shin megami tensei, so they created the least heavenlike heaven in a videogame
you know it barely suits doom when a mobile game had the "holy water pistol", quake games had portraits of jesus and wolfenstein 3d had a prequel about the holy lance
i hope the reason for urdak isn't because of developers not being allowed to show more blatant religious references or being afraid of it, for a series like fucking doom

>>6282285
Well fug me shows what I know.

>>6281976
Valve used to be like that, until they realized releasing all restraint printed them more money and they stopped caring about anything else.

>>6282293
As someone mentioned, Quake modding never took off because it was a first game of its kind. By the time an infrastructure was created, more and more fully 3D games were released, and Quake modders moved onto them - like how TF and CS migrated from Quake to HL. Meanwhile, Doom was last of its kind, an 2.5D game, so Doom modders had nowhere to go - well, there was also Build, but it was closed source, and by the time Duke source ports started coming out, Doom source ports were able to do anything Build could, and even more.

>>6282307
Ah true. Half-Life did reign supreme for mods for a long while. Why would anyone go back to Quake, I see.

>>6282307
>Meanwhile, Doom was last of its kind, an 2.5D game, so Doom modders had nowhere to go - well, there was also Build, but it was closed source, and by the time Duke source ports started coming out, Doom source ports were able to do anything Build could, and even more.
Imagine an alternate reality where the Build source code had been released early.

>first time doing E3M4 UV 100% No Saves
This is fucking torture

>>6282319
Wait until M7.

>>6282313
I think skeletal animation was its biggest draw.

>>6282315
Interesting though. On one hand, Carmack said that the Build engine was "held
together with bubble gum", on the other hand, mapping community would've evolved differently if it had its mittens on stuff like portals and slopes early on. Or maybe not - one of the main draws of Doom mapping is its learning curve (easy to learn, hard to master), and ZDoom-oriented maps are pretty rare even today, while vanilla-compatible maps made a resurgence recently.

So, what are you playing during this fine quarantine night, /doom/?

>>6282410
Going Down and Doom Eternal

>>6282410
Started Hexen and finished the first hub. Not a fan of the level design so far.

>>6282410
Still away from my PC so been running Doom Retro+BlackOps+Smoothed+Hi-res SFX and been playing Inferno with Pistol Starts No Saves+UV+100% for the first time

>>6282410
Nothing because I still have to work and ever since other, similar businesses in my area started limiting their hours I have been absolutely swamped by customers, too tired to do anything but shitpost and probably already infected with the virus. I was playing Requiem before the entire world went to hell, and if I survive long enough for my workplace to similarly get shut down (which may happen or we may get deemed "essential" considering every greedy CEO is trying to call their place essential even if they're fucking Gamestop) I'll probably finish that.

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/90900-post-your-doom-textures/?page=45&tab=comments#comment-2098801

>>6282410
i thought about playing eternal's master levels then doom 64 or giving blood fresh supply a go with custom difficulty settings but i just feel kinda burned out on games today.

After so long I came back playing Unreal Tournament and man it's superior to Quake 3 in almost every way.
The OST is God-Like, the weapons and their designs are great, so are the maps.
Have to admit there are things in Quake 3 movement that I like better but overall I feel Unreal Tournament is better.

>>6282410
Eh, been too busy mapping & playtesting to play anyone else's maps.

metadoom predictions
> ballista blades for gauss
> shotgun grenades turned into sticky bombs
> shoulder flamer
> super death sword / wrist blade gauntlet

>>6282493
Tournament was way more fun with very creative multiplayer maps. Some of Quake III weopons were great. The jump tiles and speed of the game were cool. I just think Unreal Tournament had everything going for it. Unreal Tournament 2004 was badass also.

>>6282507
I think the lightning gun's sun bomb could be replaced with the microwave beam and a new inventory item would be the ice bomb.
A weakness to the beam is that the player's view is "focused" on the targeted enemy, so you can't look away and this is because the mod decided that the chaingun turret mod blocks movement.
Carcass' sprites are a mix of Arachnotron, Mancubi and Chaingunner and he's an Arachnotron replacement.
New level only item: Buff Totem and maybe other stuff in 2016/Eternal level design.
Mappers can also create and edit codex entries.
The IOS is a mix of the traditional classic Icon, VIOS and his fight in Eternal.
Also, more easter egg items for the codex, like FreeDoom and the 2005 movie with the Rock and Karl Urban.
Maybe some real life merchandise like the Reaper mini figures too.

>>6282471
Wait, you aren't doing virtual work? Damn, my condolences, anon. Hang in there, you'll get through this.

>>6282143
Playing Quake 1.5 while listening to Dr. William Luther Pierce is bliss. It sounds like a Fallout radio station playing Old World reruns that are even more true now than they were in the past. Just listen to what Dr. Pierce sounds like with the Quake OST in the background:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/WNybORbRxHos/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gVOZnNRcJM

>>6282493
>no Hunter
Quake remains supreme.

>>6282562

>>6282452
Started playing not too long ago, I found it refreshing from heretic's long levels at first.
The puzzles make the levels longer than they need to be and if you aren't careful you can get really stuck on some shit.
The expansion isn't that great imo, really annoying with enemy placement and slaughtaur spam at parts, though it does improve. Levels are also pretty long, I just gave up trying and started saving in levels which I try to avoid.

I just had the most intense run I've ever had playing Doom! Pic related, it's me with no heath or ammo at the end of E2M7.

I've been playing almost all day for several days recording demos to make walk-through videos of the original Doom episodes on Nightmare difficulty. Episode 1 is by far the hardest on Nightmare because of the turbo pinkies and spectres that come out of monster closets on E1M6 that block you most of the time, so after recording my E1 demos I thought the hard part was over, but then this happened:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyCJPTKvGsk
Skip to 13:45 if you want to skip straight to E2M6, where everything goes downhill from getting blocked by the two Barons of Hell and I run out of ammo

>>6280628
pls respon

>>6282507
i just need the fucking unmaykr

>>6282639
In general I'm very much looking forward to seeing what people make of the Doom Eternal elements in some of the surely soon to come mods.

Not sure exactly how everything will be done up though, will they include Makyr Drones as semi common enemies?

>>6282532

>>6282651
> playable marauder
I AM THE INVINCIBLE CUNTBAG NOW

>>6282661
Well transformation runes arent an eternal mechanic (though I'm not opposed to grandfathering some of the 2016 elements into later mods)

>>6282639
i thought it already had the unmaker?

>>6282515
> lightning gun lockon
cool and fitting

>>6282410
Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows Of Amn.
I had invested in the Shield Of Balduran earlier in the game, as it reflects Beholder rays, and I knew I would face off with lots of them much later in the game. They're cunts and I want to be prepared.

It turns out this shield makes these dipshits COMPLETELY helpless because they'll eat their own zaps and stunrays and shit, they can do NOTHING to you as they keep shooting themselves and as you hack away at them. It's a ridiculously overpowered item, the -1 Strength penalty is straight up insignificant considering how you're unstoppable anyway. It's like that scene in the Star Wars prequels where Anakin murders children (for there were many Beholder children too, among the elder ones).
I underestimated the shield and I feel cheap for using it, but at the same time, fuck Beholders, it's my turn to be the monster.
I'll get back to my Doom project soon enough.

>>6282664
hnd already uses ripped models from the 2016 multiplayer (basilissa uses recolored baron arms)

>>6282667
I always cheesed those fucks from far away with cloudkill, web and fireballs.

>>6282664
I'll say this, I liked some of the 16 designs better, the mancubus variants both have more character to me, the machine gun and gauss canon both look better to me, and I dont know why they gave the hellknights visible eyes, also the zombies were all much more menacing, compared to the slavish classic homages.

>>6282671
Hnd? I'm kinda lapsed so I've missed stuff.

>>6282410
Tried Sigil with fast monsters enabled. Got my ass handed to me.

In Arcane Dimensions are these arcane keys used in the level you find them in?

>>6282679
high noon root toot drifter

Is it wrong that I like the name Tyrant better then Cyberdemon?

So has anyone played the new episode for Doom 64? What did you think of it? I just beat it earlier and it's pretty fucking great. Only 6 levels + 1 warp level; short but sweet.

>>6282710
its more of a name than just a full description
also shorter and easier to say

>>6282715
Have they been ripped yet and would it be possible to play them.in Doom 64EX?

>>6282724
Cyberdemon just turns a bit generic when the mastermind, the arachnotrons, revenant and the mancubus are all also cyber and thata not even counting the later additions

>>6280628
https://forums.duke4.net/topic/11067-releasefm4x-the-uprising/
Havent seen many, it seems most of the community's effort is going towards large-scale mods like Alien Armageddon and AMC TC. Which is cool and all, but they feel a bit far from the classic Duke experience (especially AMC).

>>6282715
imps got ass

Random SiN Gold wallpaper.

Random Thief wallpaper.

Another random Thief wallpaper.

>>6280628
Have you tried Dracula's Castle? It's a short but sweet Halloween map.

Is there anything like Doom 4 Vanilla only for Doom 3? I know the gameplay is totally different so a lot of liberties would need to be made, but some kind of Doom 3 The Way Id Did TC project would be really neat.

>>6282410
doom eternal mostly along with star trek online.

i also tried half life's maps in dusk today and while it was pretty cool to go around HL in dusk it still has a way to go. i'd love to play CAGED, residual life or anti-climax in dusk one day.

i'm probably gonna try quake's maps tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/Dragonfly_Doom/status/1241730537665986560


Nuts.wad vibe check

>>6280145
Whats the difference the multitude of sourceports for the Doom games?

Random Deus Ex wallpaper dump.

>>6282826
Chocolate: Exact recreation of original .exe behavior, without having to do any shit with a dosbox or whatever, and having modern OS compat.

Crispy Doom: Mostly Vanilla but with options for some nice quality of life upgrades for resolutions, blood colors, normalized mouse turning, etc.

PrBoom+: Runs more advanced maps in Boom and MBF format, also has a lot of quality of life options for resolution and mouse and what not, has something called .bex which almost nobody uses, because if you want do a lot of changes to gameplay you're probably just going to move to GzDoom instead.

GzDoom: Advanced mods and advanced maps, anything from small gameplay tweaks to gameplay overhauls, even a couple of examples of what's basically all new games, also lots of graphics and control options, compatible with Boom and MBF maps as well. Has a lot of compat options to make gameplay mostly proper vanilla, but there's a few parts which aren't 100% authentic (but the approximation is fine IMO). Make sure to turn off the Bilinear blur filter.

Zandronum: GzDoom fork which supports client side multiplayer, because GzDoom's own multiplayer is ridiculously clunky, unreliable, and user unfriendly, it's however quite behind GzDoom's codebase, so it supports advanced stuff like Decorate and ACS, but it doesn't have any support at all for the REALLY advanced stuff GzDoom can do such as ZScript.
This port replaced SkullTag, which was doing the same thing.

>>6282852
w-what about doomsday

>>6282826
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Doom_source_ports

>>6282854
Some graphics options. Its big deal back in the day was that it supports ridiculously hideous looking 3D models for replacing sprites.
These days, you can put those ugly-ass 3D models in GzDoom instead, if you really want to.

>>6282854
Insanely bad UI

>>6282410
The master levels. Arc Complex is so fucking good.

>>6282852
it's more accurate to say that zandronum is the name skulltag goes by now
as I remember it: the guy who originally made skulltag fell more and more out of touch with it, a new dev took lead over that time, the original guy both failed to do proper upkeep of the servers and refused to let anyone else do it, retarded internet drama ensued, and the port got rebranded zandronum to get away from all of that

>>6282518
Thanks anon. I've been taking precautions and the local area hasn't had any confirmed cases yet so I might be fine.
Requiem is pretty impressive so far to stay on topic. I love all the fake 3D bridges where you can hear the sectors move each time you get near one, it's cute while still being really cool for vanilla. It's kind of weird how several levels in the megawad are based on earlier, previously released levels (that I recognize because I've been playing through the 2003 Top 100 WADs in order) with slight changes. That one level with the caves and elevators is a lot better in this wad than it was in Dystopia 3, though, really shows how the mapper improved on a technical level since the original was clunky as hell while the remade version is fucking smooth.

>>6282675
That Ben 10 looking piece of shit they tried to pass for a mancubus design was a complete travesty and just looking at it is enough to disgust and anger me simultaneously. No other design in the game does this except for the hell guards and the Cyberdemon to an extent.

I didn't care for the other designs save for the revenant and baron. Every other design iteration in Eternal is way more memorable. The way you can eye the fear and anger on their faces each time is great.

If dbthanatos is still part of the community, it would be cool to see him do an Eternal mod, call it E4T or something. Then that way someone can just make a Lite version of it that only adds in the new arsenal.
I really want to like Eternal, the new weapons look cool and I feel they did the classic enemies justice for the most part, but playing it feels so weird. The game feels at odds with itself, and it feels taped together.

Can anyone join my shitty zandronum server real quick?

192.168.2.249:10668

>>6282675
>zombies were all much more menacing,
This can't be a real opinion. 2016s zombies were absolutely the worst designs in the series

>>6282665
It has the UnmakEr, not the UnmakYr
Think MetaDoom will combine them into a Hell and Heaven combination weapon? I think that would be pretty damn cool

Bumping my question from earlier. Was there ever a VR version/demo of Dark Forces in the 90s, or did I hallucinate that? Has there ever been a sourceport of Dark Forces or a way for me to play it in VR now?

Something about playing these old 2.5D games in VR is really comfy.

>>6282978
>If dbthanatos is still part of the community
Why are you saying it like that? Has he expressed dissatisfaction with the community or something?

>>6281983
Doom Canon is a bigger mess now than ever. Doom 2 no longer has the icon of sin dying. Doom guy just shoots him a few times and then leaves. Which some how kills it but doesn't. And now icon is only as tall as a sky scraper instead of miles long. It's bizarre.

They also heavily imply Doom guy is the Marine in doom 3. How does that even work? He's specifically called Doom Marine in one set of dialog, but then he's also implied to be God in several places.

Eternal reminded me of duke forever. It tried so hard to be badass whole functionally shit. It's like hey remember my good games I'm so badass for them and now I can't punch a zombie to death and I better run away to find something weaker to kill because this big thing kills me. Eternal will go down as doom 76 unless they patch the shit out of it.

>>6283000
I haven’t really seen him anywhere since he decided to quit D4D and start the T version. He might have just taken a big break after taking on a project of that size, but you never know. People in communities like this could just decide to vanish one day.

>>6283006
>he gives this much of a shit about doom's canon

it's a video game dude lmao just shoot the demons

>>6283006
>your entire post
The difference between DNF and Eternal is while Eternal's story is stupid and should be ignored, it's still a damn fun game. Also stop talking about Eternal on /vr/ you dongus

>>6283012
>>6283013
Spooky.

Whenever I'm feeling kinda aimless or empty I find myself hopping into E4M2 on UV. Are there maps you guys like to go back to for comfort?

>>6282675
Completely agree. Some of the updated designs looked great and really fit the art style. The new original mancubus looks shit. He's just a fat ugly fuck who walks way too fast for his weight now. He has no personality and no charm. Why this fat fuck can rocket jump I have no idea. The 16 one looked great, he has a huge smile on his face like he's having a great time killing people. Tubby feels like he's just there to make the damage system more visible on a larger target.

Any one claiming ben10 designs has to be jokingm look at the new Baron. Half the new enemies look like a 12 year old took an old enemy and said what if I put knives on its hands. What if I made a skeleton with a big axe or a mace? They're terrible and look goofy. Doom 16 kept the horror element. 16 looks like gears of war and a pinball machine fucked.

>>6283013
If you hadn't noticed were discussing dooms story in the classic games and comparing it to the newer one which continued it.

>I enjoy being forced to watch cut scenes because my super shotgun has less ammo at full upgrades than you get from one pack of shells in the original games.
Nice reaction image.

Doomrpg is the true canon doom timeline now

>>6282990
un-may-kr
also that's what it functionally is, literally would be a reskin

>>6283026
What I'm noticing is you caring way too much about the inner workings of a story probably thought up on the fly while taking a shit during a lunch break for a series outside of one game where story barely if not at all mattered.

>>6283027
The UnmakEr fires lasers, the UnmakYr fires projectiles in a spread. You could totally have both as different firing modes.

The unmayker fucking sucks compared to the bfg

>>6283029
I notice that you have nothing of value to say so shouldn't waste s perfectly good post on your bullshit. No one cares about the doom story but it's interesting when it becomes such a train wreck you want to look at it. Like the room and troll 2. When you fuck up so bad people want to know why.

How can doom 1 2 3 and 64 all be the same doom guy? How does 3 look if a raging maniac turns up on day one?

>>6283031
Thunderbolt > BFG and Unmaker and Unmakyr

>>6283038
Swap BFG with Unmaker on that list and you got it. Unmaker with 3 keys is stupidly ammo efficient for how much damage it does.

>>6283039
I was placing the Doom guns in the same level. Which is below the Thunderbolt.

>>6283041
Oh my bad, I didn't notice that. I haven't slept in days.

>>6283043
I'm glad that Revenant is still wearing his red pants!

>>6283054
He even has a boner.

>>6283075
And that's why you don't wear yoga pants as a man.

>>6280145
Bethid shot at Doom until it dies
and it died
what do

>>6281806
Aesthetic mostly. The Grenades are OP as shit but the Engineer's EMP is really satisfying and there is no TF2 equivalent

Is Sin Gold worth picking up?

>>6281887
still same mod as usual, I'm adding mouse support to the menus because someone kept asking

>>6283095
no

>>6282932
Something like that. Didn't they ditch a lot of the Skulltag assets like the maps, and new weapons and items?

>>6283143
I had SiN in my gog library and it got upgraded to Gold. Bretty gewd.

>>6283006
I solve the whole canon issue by separating it into three:
>Classic Dooms, 1, 2, either of the Finals and then any possible PWad fitting somewhere in here or afterwards, Sigil and No Rest For The Living is in there too somewhere
>Doom 3, Resurrection Of Evil
>Doom 64, Doom 4, Doom Eternal

>>6283016
TNT desu

>>6280154
SiN remake in the works by 3DRealms and Nightdive
https://twitter.com/Freschism/status/1241812573848244224?s=19

So whats the deal with all this SiN love? I guess this is one of the unnanounced 3DR games

>>6283221

>>6283224
"proper remake" as in a HD texture pack over old models and levels
or a complete remake like Resident Evils?

playing Doom Eternal just makes me wish Golden Souls 3 was out

>>6283228
Since they just did Gold and 3DR are involved, I assume full on remake on the KEX engine

https://twitter.com/Mengo923/status/1242067336112345088

Janky af source port

>>6283230
Isnt kex just 2.5 D?

>>6283232
Sasuga Bethesda

>>6283232
Someone confused the open and close sounds for the super shotgun and the fast doors.

>>6283238
This would be iD themselves.

>>6283235
Nah. Turok 2 runs on Kex engine.

>>6283235
No. The Turok and Forsaken remasters are all Kex.

>>6283024
I'm going to go cards on the table, I like the 16 revenants with their glazed haunting eyes better then the eternal ones, zombies are a mixed bag, the 16 ones are more visually disturbing to look at but the eternal ones are more expressive, definently prefer the tyrant to 16s cyberdemon, but I didnt dislike the Cyberdemon. I legit like both versions of the mancubus in 16 better, I just really dig the look of the all organic one and the UAV cyber, the distinction is kinda lost in eternal in the shuffle of making it look more like its classic self, the eternal caco is a strait upgrade over 16.

I wish they had reimagined some D3 enemies like the Vagary the vulgar, the wraith and the maladict.

I dont actively dislike any of the designs in either game, I just think some are better and wouldn't mind them just, adding them all as visually distinct designs per certain levels.

Well first version of the new video is done.

https://youtu.be/kCV0dkm7JFo

This is the first time I share a WIP of a Tex video here actually, but since I'm prone to fuckups the more feedback the better.

I was stuck for a couple of days, so yesterday I finally powered though it, I certainly feel like the quality suffers as it goes along I'd like to think its mostly because of me editing till 1:30 AM.
As usual, I'm open to suggestions, theres always room to do some reworking.

I need to find a better workflow, it always starts with things going smoothly at firsts, only to get stuck, do nothing for the next couple of days and then going all-in in a mad race to the finish line.

>>6283232
I know the in-game Doom ports are an Easter egg, but its so botched that it makes me sad. Blurry entity movement, no automap and the enemy behaviour seems off. I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't a source port at all. Oh, and if you want your ears to bleed, try manually tapping the chainsaw.

>>6283016
maps 1-7 of doom 2
inferno in general
deus vult 2 with a pillowblaster mod

>>6280145
SiN Remake confirmed. Busy year for 3DRealms and Nightdive...

https://twitter.com/Freschism/status/1241812573848244224?s=20

>>6282562
You lose some,you gain some.
>Quake doesn't have the Robo Chad like Xan Kriegor

I see you're a man of culture though,Hunter is the top material in Quake 3,if you picked Crash then you're a coward.

>>6282512
I can see why people would like Quake 3 more,it has a more basic set of weapons and its aesthetic is cool as hell. The movement is still really good but the OST is meh.
I still feel UT is superior,too bad Epic fucked over the fans to focus on Fortnite.

>>6283393
2020 sure seems a good year for classic shooter fans.
First Doom Eternal proves that the franchise still got it and now Sin is getting a remake.
Now if only Greasy Bastard and bitch ass Atari could leave the Duke and Caleb to someone else.

I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA

>>6283214
All of it, or any particular maps? What do you like about them?

>>6283363
What makes you go back to Inferno?

>>6282786
>Is there anything like Doom 4 Vanilla only for Doom 3? I know the gameplay is totally different so a lot of liberties would need to be made, but some kind of Doom 3 The Way Id Did TC project would be really neat.
D3mod?

>>6283358
You misspelt melee several times, I also noticed you must have autoaim enabled because the spread for Doomslayer's Thunderbuss is all fucked, same thing with the whiplash shotgun's altfire in Combined_Arms. Oh and you CAN upgrade your missiles in Space Hunter, the rocket launcher tier pickup makes them blow up extra hard if the fly for a bit. Other than that I think this is excellent.

If you need any footage of what I've been working on for this Combined_Arms update, lemme know.
You tell Tex I said thank you for doing that intro bit

>>6282978
from what i remember hearing, he may take a while because he wasn't a fan of the arcade presentation

>>6282990
>Think MetaDoom will combine them into a Hell and Heaven combination weapon? I think that would be pretty damn cool
God, that reminds me of how weird Urdak is in Doom, when we've had shit like the holy water pistol
If id's games were really connected, it would contradict when BJ took the Holy Lance and the portraits of Jesus Christ in Quake

>>6283006
i think it's safe to say doom as a series is imcompatible with "lore" and the fact that a "multiverse" of timelines and universes is how you justify slayer and dg being the same shows this
you're already "expanding" doom by adding to the gameplay, art direction or even story moments like in cutscenes and events but "deep lore" doesn't work for a series like this

>>6283440

>What makes you go back to Inferno?
I really like the midi versions of mouth for war (untitled) and behind the crooked cross (deep into the code). e3m1 is so fun to me, and warrens. it's just a really fun episode to me, even with the annoying parts.

>>6282827
>>6282830
>>6282831
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>>6282837
>>6282839
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>>6283221
>>6283393
I'm still trying to fucking get the goddamn updated version of Sin Gold from GOG. I found an upload on a site that will go nameless, but it was just literally a reupload of the older version with none of the "updates".

>>6283456
I take a broad strokes approche, if you want to have both normal heaven and Urdak, just say the makyrs are pretenders to the true heaven. This holds up well with how they dont look angelic at all under their armor. If you want to keep focused to urdak maybe the Seraphim wasnt the only rogue agent helping humanity.

>>6283452
>You misspelt melee several times
noted

>I also noticed you must have autoaim enabled because the spread for Doomslayer's Thunderbuss is all fucked, same thing with the whiplash shotgun's altfire in Combined_Arms.
aw fuck, I sometimes forget to change that when I switch GZDoom versions

>Oh and you CAN upgrade your missiles in Space Hunter, the rocket launcher tier pickup makes them blow up extra hard if the fly for a bit.
yeah not sure why I forgot about that, you think I should mention the other weapon or leave it ambiguous as it is?

If you can record some clear footage I would love to include it, not sure if you have shadowplay but in my experience GZDoom doesn't play nice with OBS unless you tweak the settings a bit.
I'll be sure to tell him.

>>6283485
Leaving it ambiguous for the other weapon upgrades is fine, and yeah I can record some video easily, you've seen all the footage I record for my twitter shit, just gimme the resolution size you record Doom at for your videos and I'll record some footage of the Tech Monk and some Past-Linked stuff.

>>6283490
I'm mostly worried about the bitrate, but sure
1920x1080

hopefully we will get this out today or tomorrow

>>6283460
Inferno's just so weird that "love it or hate it" is a pretty apt descriptor: if you're down for weirdness, there's nothing else like it in stock Doom or Doom 2. Warrens in particular is a really fun map, though - I really like core idea of it being a "variation on a theme," and it gets exciting by the end. I think I'm gonna go play it now, as a matter of fact.

Here's a question: do you guys leave autoaim on or turn it off? I understand some might for the sake of staying true to vanilla Doom, but I personally turn it off cus it'd make it a little easy for my taste.

>>6283535
>it'd make it a little easy
"It" being autoaim and leaving it on, that is.

>>6283535
Off since I'm using mouselook. If not, I would obviously have it on to be able to shoot monsters above me.

>>6283440
>All of it, or any particular maps? What do you like about them?
I like most of it, there's a couple of weak and even pretty bad maps, but its mostly solid.
Mill is one I like a lot, because it has a great atmosphere.

>>6283454
>>6283459
What got deleted?

>>6283535
>freelook on
>auto-aim off
>crosshair on

>>6283535
Autoaim is how the game is designed. It's easier to play it without if you're using freelook because you can always put your shot exactly where you want it to go at any distance, and you can also choose which targets you want to prioritize. Autoaim requires a minimum distance to lock on, and it only prioritizes the closest target, meaning that you can not only be shot at by enemies that you can't shoot back, but your shots may not go where you want them to because of autoaim taking over.
A lot of Plutonia has examples of the first part (which is why you have jokes like pic related), and an example of the second is when you're heading over to the side cave after getting the first key in E4M2. There are spectres and a Baron that are below a small cliff you have to jump down, but if you try to shoot them with the rocket launcher, the autoaim will just blow your foot off because that's the shortest path to them.
Thus, part of the challenge is wrangling with the autoaim, forcing yourself to get dangerously close to an enemy so it can lock on and switching to safer weapons to not face unforeseen consequences. Freelook trivializes both.

>>6283567

>>6283554
This, but keep center view key.

>>6283550
maybe use desuarchive to see it

>>6283589
Mildly annoying I cant talk about the latest release more as a source of inspiration for later mods

>>6283614
Give it a few weeks or so, they're on high alert at the moment. It was like this when Doom 4 came out too because the threads got fucking clogged up with modern game discussion.

>>6283614
It'll cool down in a month or so.

>>6283616
Fair enough, always a bit tricky with an ongoing

>/vr/ hates Brutal Doom
>/v/ loves Quake 1.5

What am i missing?

>>6283658
an r

>>6283658
I like this gif

>>6283658
quake 1.5 is actually pretty damn impressive
it runs like shit for the though

What are the best options for relatively vanilla Doom in 1080p? I hate fiddling around with GZDoom to get the settings right and PrBoom+ is good but it feels too bright and the mouse sensitivity doesn't feel right, any other options? Almost like Crispy Doom but 1080p kinda thing

>>6283671
prboom is too bright by default for some reason, you can change it pretty easily, i forget how though lol

>>6283658
I don't like 1.5. Too many sticky grenades.

>>6283671
Chocolate Doom?

>>6283690

1080p, as in internal res, not output res, also 60fps and such

>>6283671
Try Doom Retro.

>>6283671
Play around with the brightness and contrast settings in PrBoom+

>>6283701

oh crispy and doom retro have widescreen modes, weird, I did not know this

I tried GZ DoomVR and I felt great at first but eventually it made me feel very fucking sick and I cant look at cacos anymore

>>6283716

>>6283658
Quake 1.5 and Brutal Doom aren't comparable, Quake 1.5 is just the flashiest Quake 1 mod.
It's like comparing Cinematic Mod to MMod for HL2

>>6283535
I'm weird in that I leave it on with freelook enabled.

>>6283721
Quake 1.5 at least is just an overhaul to the original and it does some things better.
While it is unbalanced at times,at least it was never considered as the way to play Quake.

BD added way too much shit and most of those things were unpolished.

Doom 64 leveldesign is garbage. Just randomly generated rooms without any craftsmanship or sense of place.

>>6283671
>mouse sensitivity doesn't feel right
Open Control Panel, change mouse settings, de-select "Enhance Pointer Precision"
> https://www.doomworld.com/vb/doom-speed-demos/52742-concerning-mouse-acceleration-in-vista-7/

>>6283675
>prboom is too bright by default
Open prboom-plus.cfg, press "Ctrl F" to open find, type "gamma," change "usegamma" to 0 (the default is 3 for some reason)

>>6283715
>crispy and doom retro have widescreen modes
Yes, I would recommend Crispy Doom because it has a lot of options no other source port has, like a red dot laser crosshair ("projected crosshair"), weapon recoil pitch (screen shakes when you shoot, shakes a LOT when shooting rockets, it looks lit). GZDoom and Crispy Doom are the only source ports I know of that come with a brightmaps option (certain items/textures emit light). Crispy Doom is made from Chocolate Doom so if you turn all the options off it looks identical to Chocolate Doom. The only advantages PrBoom+ has is it can play Boom-compatible maps (Crispy Doom is a limit-removing port, not a Boom-compatible port; Chocolate is vanilla only) and it has true 1080 resolution. So if you want to play Boom-compatible maps, use either PrBoom+ or GZDoom; I would recommend GZDoom because of how good brightmaps look, especially the Brightmaps Plus mod.

Here are some mods for you to use in Crispy Doom to make it look even better:
Vanilla Doom Smooth Weapons - https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/102462-vanilla-doom-smooth-weapons/
Per Kristian's Hi-Res Doom Sound Effects - https://www.perkristian.net/game_doom-sfx.shtml
Doom Minor Sprite Fixing Project - https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/62403-doom-2-minor-sprite-fixing-project-v19-release-updated-12718/

>>6283756

You need to use command lines to use mods in Crispy Doom. Move all the files directly into your Crispy Doom folder and create a new text document called "Doom 1993" or whatever, change the extension to a .bat file, and edit it, and copy-paste this inside, without the >
>crispy-doom -iwad doom.wad -file d1spfx19.wad vsmooth.wad pk_doom_sfx_20120224.wad -deh D1DEHFIX.DEH

Also, unzip this file into your Crispy Doom music-packs folder for the best Doom music there is
Roland SC-55 Music Pack - http://sc55.duke4.net/games.php#doom
To find the music packs folder, type %appdata% in your start menu and open the Crispy Doom folder. Put the music files directly into that folder. To use the music pack with GZDoom, simply open the .zip file with GZDoom by including it in your mod load order

>>6283036
Seems to me you're just angrily brushing off the fact you got proven wrong on something that was awfully evident since day fucking 1. The fact you have D3 in that list kinda lets out you don't know what you're on about either.

Final Doomer has some of the most creative weapons I've seen in a mod in years.

The Back to Saturn X weaponset is easily my favorite scifi weaponset for doom, if not one of my favorite doom weaponsets period. (A big part of that is the reflect shotgun and the chaingun replacement though ngl)

>>6283754
Call me autistic, but I can just sense that this is the same poster that always complains about neon colored Doom wads and thinks Sigil is the greatest wad ever. Same nonsensical ESL typing style.

>>6283775
It's probably the same idiot that bitches about Golden Souls 2, only one little sperglet keeps commenting about "leveldesign" specifically, as one word.

https://youtu.be/KHWKGFeuawA

Hey guys, remember Odyssey of Noises and how cool it was? Me too, lol.

>>6283756
>>6283758

I have a better idea

Crispy for official/vanilla stuff, Doom Retro with vanilla mode for Boom stuff, this is how I used to do it but only difference is I'm actually going to use the widescreen modes and 60fps in both

>>6283771
Are the weaponsets OP?

>>6283793
Doom Retro is boom compatible?
can you turn off infinite height?

>>6283797
They are stronger than vanilla, but I wouldn't call them OP because Colourful Hell kicked my ass with them.

>>6283798
yes and I believe so

>>6283016
>Whenever I'm feeling kinda aimless or empty I find myself hopping into E4M2 on UV. Are there maps you guys like to go back to for comfort?
I like attempting deathless runs of the original 3 episodes on Nightmare difficulty, or doing deathless runs of douk episode 1 on Damn I'm Good, though I admit it's mainly because I have the routes memorized. I am branching out and working on memorizing more runs so I have more comfy runs to go back to - I hate the feeling of wandering around in a new map feeling lost; it's so much more fun to blast through routes you have memorized while dealing with respawning monsters. I don't speedrun, but now I can appreciate how speedrunners can grind the same things for hours - doing long perfect runs gives you a high that first play-throughs can't match.

I recorded some walkthrough demos and posted them on youtube (see >>6282634), so I can finally say I am done with the original three episodes; I originally secured my first deathless runs 2 months ago, and recently I played almost all day for several days recording these demos, so I can finally say I am burned out on the original 3 Doom episodes. I can't record episode-long douk demos, so I have to record live playing which will eat up a lot more hard-drive space, but that's the next video I need to record. I already have an episode 1 route, I was working on memorizing E2 but I wanted to create these walkthrough vids first

>>6283797
the guy you are replying to, but it depends on the mapset desu.
The pistols having infinite ammo is the closest I'd say but they're only SLIGHTLY better than most of the vanilla sets.
The back to saturn X set gets a non-hitscan pistol with a chargeup that can 1 shot an imp if fully charged.
This is balanced though by the SSG replacement being basically a glorified forcepush with zero range.

Playing Doomed in space on a harder difficulty as the earlier levels were a bit easy with the infinite ammo pistol, at least until cacodemons show up.

They are slightly better than vanilla but I wouldn't say they're completely OP.

The closest they come to OP is the Back to Saturn X rocket launcher doesn't have self-damage, but I swear it does slightly less damage than stock.

>>6283535
> I personally turn it off cus it'd make it a little easy for my taste.
Doom's autoaim does not lock on horizontally. It only adjusts your aim vertically so you can hit monsters above or below you. The only exception is projectile weapons, but this doesn't actually help because you can't lead moving targets, or you end up shooting the wall because it locks on to the wrong monster.

>>6283793
how do you enable vanilla mode?

>>6283835
Fair point, actually. I know it only works vertically but I just always assumed Doom would be easier with autoaim on cus of autoaim as a concept in games (in Doom's case though I know that it was implemented cus mouselook wasn't a thing yet). That, and using freelook to look up and down and all around has more of a "flow" to it when I play doom as opposed to looking left and right, not that Doom isn't fun to me with the latter.

Now that I think about it, maybe it's cus I dont usually play Doom without it enabled, but when I do it doesn't really feel that hard to play cus I can usually tell right away if an enemy is right in front of my line of fire. That, and freelook in general just feels more natural to me cus I basically treat Doom like a twitch shooter to a degree.