/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6267537
>so fucking bare
It's elegantly appointed

>>6267537
I’m sorry, but it’s not very good

>>6267542
no need to apologize for your bad taste

>>6267537
>complimenting something while trying to shit on it.
Go on contrarian...

>>6267551
i can't go on when the truth has been spoken flat out already

>>6267551
This might give you an aneurysm, but it's possible to like and dislike different aspects of a game

>>6267551
>having a nuanced opinion is being contarian
I forgot that your a hipster if you don't either lavish a game with praise or endlessly whine about it

I prefer to think of it as purity. I know it's just because it was a launch title but still the fact that there is zero visual clutter, no confusing decals or weird bullshit interfering with your perception of the level design gives it a different appeal. I would be very skeptical about any assets being added if they were to do a remake. It's best as an abstract series of obstacle courses.

>>6267537
Mario went to shit after 3.

They really should have just taken the crash bandicoot approach with level design, I don't know what people see in these "Sandbox games"

>>6267585
it's fun to run around and explore

>>6267587
gets boring because the maps are so empty and uninteresting

>>6267585
You mean the Hugo approach

>>6267585
bruh

>>6267537
Being an angsty contrarian was never cool

>>6267613
I don't know what that is.

>>6267585
>It's a sandbox
>>6267604
>gets boring because the maps are so empty and uninteresting
These are some pretty hot takes.

>>6267585
>walking in a straight line timing jumps
or
>complete freedom of movement in a 3D world
Crash retards are really something.

>>6267537
Good game. Wouldn't mind a remake.

>>6267974
I'll take Crash's tighter, more focused level designs, thanks.

The only actually good parts of SM64 were the Bowser stages.

>super mario 64 is not good thread
>homm 3 is not good thread
>doom is not good thread
what the fuck is going on

If you want a collectathon with less barren environments I can recommend Rare's games, Ape Escape, the Spyro trilogy, and the 3D gex games
The controls physics aren't quite as snappy as Mario 64 so it's kind of a tradeoff.

>>6267585
is anything that's not a straight path considered a sandbox now
is super metroid a sandbox

>>6268164
School is out because of the virus.

>>6268173
sandbox games are called sandbox games if they're designed as is you were walking around in a sandbox, so no, retard, super metroid is not a sandbox game.

>>6267585
eh, the open design let's you skip through the levels in fun ways, especially when you get better at the game. I like the first crash alot but the game is too linear for how little there is to do.

>>6268164
OP didn't say mario 64 isn't good, he just said it's bare, which it is. The most active levels are the bowser stages, but that's fine

>>6268187
That's not why it's called a sandbox at all.

>>6268164
Commies trying to make you feel hopeless. All of your favorite culture is shit, goy.

>>6268201
so you really are retarded.

>>6268206
>Thinks mario 64 and literally every single hub based game is a sandbox
>Calls people retarded
Ok, retard.

>>6268206
open level design =/= sandbox

N64 is very underpowered, they did what they could with the limited tools they had. It's the fault of present day Nintendo for not remaking it.

>>6268240
the DS remake tho

>>6268248
>tho
Kill yourself.

Basically every main-series Mario game from the 90s is fucking bare. Something doesn't have to be full of content and F E A T U R E S just to be fun retard.

>>6268265
Mario 3 is stuffed with stuff

>>6268272
It's got about as much content as Super Mario 64. Some might call it bare. I think bare is kind of a edgy term,I would personally prefer to say it isn't fucking bloated.

>>6268293
God, shut the fuck up.

>>6268305
no im good

>>6268293
it has more content than mario 64.

>>6268248
Missed opportunity not porting the DS game to the 3DS with analog control and 3D gimmick. But they were in the right path with the changes they made to SM64.

>>6268262
y tho

>>6268317
>But they were in the right path with the changes they made to SM64.
No, it was a massive fuck-up in every way

>>6268320
Are you retarded?

>>6268326
Agreed. In the end I just kept it for the minigames. The main game had stupid controls and I didn't want to be Yoshi.

>>6268394
This post reads like it was sourced from a wiki article.

>>6268248
ds version is a downgrade everywhere except a few minigames

>>6268394
Well people commented non stop why they couldn't play with Yoshi at the end of the game, so now they made you play Yoshi from the start! Nintendo logic.

>>6268890
>Well people commented non stop why they couldn't play with Yoshi at the end of the game,
Yes they did (I even thought of mentioning that at the end of my post) - but I wasn't one of them.

But there's a difference between unlocking Yoshi at the end of the game to play as a sort of "treat" and being forced to play him from the start, for some time.

>>6268364
he probably is but you're autistic as fuck

>>6268849
>that image
oh no, they made literally everything look better despite obvious hardware limitations

>>6268912
DS version doesn't look even close to as good

>>6268919
in game as in framerate and resolution clearly not, literally every 'buhbuhbuh they changed it!!!1' complaint in that image is an objective upgrade though

>>6268927
I didn't look at the image. I've played them both recently--the original on a CRT. How about you, madam Z?

>>6268912
fix your eyes, nigger

>>6268942
so you didn't look at the image - the thing i was talking about - but decided to disagree with me about something i didn't say? are you ok?
the image is clearly made by someone whining that they changed the low poly simplistic models to ones that more accurately reflect the cartoonish style of the concept art, while also bitching about lower quality textures and lighting on a fucking DS launch title

>>6267585
Currently the most cancerous post on /vr/.

>>6268907
And you're a dumb normalfaggot.

>>6268849
Mario 64 has so much soul

>>6268984
There's no point in looking at a jpg that doesn't reflect how the N64 game actually looks. And I know how it looks, because I have a 15khz CRT. Do you know how it looks, is what I'm wondering, or have you based your opinion on seeing the game rendered at the wrong resolution and shat out through an emulator to a fixed pixel display?
>ones that more accurately reflect the cartoonish style of the concept art
The DS game doesn't accurately reflect anything other than a lack of artistic talent and the bad judgement or classless greed of whoever decided to port Mario 64 to a handheld with no analogue stick

>>6268265
As Mario progressed from 1 to 3 + world more and more content like abilities, enemies, and level design kept getting added enriching the world more and more. 64 stepped back to smb1 lengths of variety and it's a step down.

>>6269457
HOLY SOUL

>>6269562
>64 stepped back to smb1 lengths of variety
1. SMB1 is a masterpiece
2. You're mental

>>6269490
That's really fun, hope that's a character you play online and not real mental illness.

>>6269562
Dumb commie.

>>6268172
Can confirm, i've been a Ninten-drone all my life and finally started playing outside my little bubble of familiarity and i've had a lot more fun with the offerings i've found on the PS1 than I did with Mario 64.

I like collect-a-thons but I really feel like Mario does not do them very well at all. Pains me to see them going back to that format, all they needed to do was stick to their guns with the Galaxy/3D World route and give him all the speed and athleticism of SM64 and it would have been the perfect 3D Mario.

>>6268248
The D-pad kills it.

Also, I'm not fond of locking power-ups to specific characters either, and the baby-shit green they used for the grass.

>>6269590
Dumb commie.

>>6267613
Based and Trollpilled

>>6269490
it was literally the first game i ever played so yes I know how it looks
again, you’re mentally unwell if you honestly think the original models looked better because MUH SOUL

>>6267585
Of course, all level design should be a straight line.
Exploration?
Interconnectivity?
Secrets?
Non-linear progression?
No, no no no no NO

>>6268202
Commies really should be destroyed.

>>6268248
There's some things I like about it, others I don't. The lack of an analog stick for movement is such a colossal downgrade, I could cope with it for a while, but eventually it wore my thumb raw worse than the N64's analog stick.

>>6268172
>snappy
super mario 64's controls are anything but, mario constantly moves like he's on ice but everyone loves it because of the momentum

>>6269767
crash really fucking sucks, given the opportunity to make a groundbreaking 3D action game they somehow made a game with less movement/exploration potential than a 2D sidescroller

>>6269756
>it was literally the first game i ever played so yes I know how it looks
*knew how it looked at some point

Every level was fascinating and had new surprises around every corner, we used to sit around the TV passing the controller for hours as kids. In replay, the only area suffering from insufficient content density is the castle overworld section. I would’ve preferred some NPCs or something to make it feel less barren. But seeing that camera guy in the mirror, and it wasn’t just a gimmick at the opening but he’s still there faithful as always, holy hot bags of dick.

mario64 is a 3d pioneer, and was under time constraints. they did very well under the circumstances. also, it's not that bare, except for later levels like wet/dry world where they obviously had to rush. the early levels, especially bob omb battlefield are nice n fleshed out.

>>6269924
i had an n64 hooked to a crt in my bedroom a couple years ago and definitely played sm64 at some point. stop reaching so hard

>>6269568
I never said it wasn't. As a start of the franchise in the mid 80's its excusable having so few of what it had. I expect more out of a mid 90's 3D game though.

>>6267537
Amazing core mechanics
could have done with some better levels
and more levels

>>6268907
And you're a dumb normalfaggot.

>>6268849
>OH NO THEY CHANGED MINOR THINGS FROM MY CHILDHOOD KINORINO!
kys

>>6268849
the original is much better, with the exception that I like what the DS did with the dino.

>>6270083
This. I never felt like there was a single moment that really required me to explore the mechanics, it all happened out of boredom/dissatisfaction with the low level mechanics.

>>6270130
>KINORINO
You first, reddit nigger.

>>6269927
For Wet Dry World it honestly works in its favor, it's an uncanny and empty place.
I personally don't think SM64 is that bare either.

>>6268197
>It's bare because it is.
Thanks for explaining nothing.

>>6267537
play romhacks that make the level design more interesting then, like Star Road

>>6271483
romhacks suck. What nintendo did with the game is best. Take a look at Snoman's Land and see just how dense it is with little unique crevices and slopes. There is actually a lot to interact with in that very small space. It's quite expertly designed to exhaust the capabilities of the movement engine and how Mario interacts with sleeps of varying steepness, not to mention ice surfaces and the wind. Even the falling snow is disorienting so as to up the challenge. I recommend playing in such a way where you manipulate the camera minimally, as little as you can get away with. This will help you appreciate the design point I'm trying to illuminate.

>>6267537
Attention to detail at your fucking job isn't "autistic," you brainswamped internet cretin.

>>6272618
you sound autistic

>>6272657
You probably think salad tastes autistic, you retard.

>>6272658
that's exactly how an autistic person would respond

>>6267537
I honestly think the controls are shit too. But that's just me, I guess.

It's definitely one the worst "best" games that gets its ass sucked all the time by hyper fanboys who never played anything that wasn't "cool".

The same kinds of morons, basically, who in the same breath claim Mario 64 as a masterpiece and then slam the PS1 for not having any good games at all. Or worse, claim Mario 64 is better than Mario 3 or World...

>>6272683
you sound autistic as fuck

>>6272752
>no u

>>6272760
>literal autism
ps i'm not that anon so it's actually not a "no u"
i'm just telling you that you're projecting your autism because you're insecure
autist

>>6272771
>no you're the one projecting!

>>6272845
>this autistic

>>6267604
Maybe from a modern perspective, but even then most modern games are completely bare. Its basically a themed obstacle course and its treated as such

>>6272657
Ironically a very autistic post.

>>6267604
How are they empty? They're full of shit to do.

>>6267551
What's so contrarian about having mixed opinions on a game? I don't even know what a contrarian opinion on Mario 64 would be, maybe that it was forgettable? I feel like the ratio of people calling it a masterpiece or massively overrated respectively is about even.

>>6268206
What typically defines a sandbox game to my knowledge is that the game encourages you to stray from the main objective, or lacks a main objective all together. To me this means something along the lines of GTA, Minecraft or (arguably) Animal Crossing.

>NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LOVE THE SAME GAMES EVERYONE ELSE DOESSSS

>>6269790
I used to say the same thing, then I sat down with the game for around 10 hours. Still not my favorite Mario game overall but now that I'm used to it I think it's got some of the best controls of any 3D platformer.

>>6270083
I would have LOVED to see some levels that didn't make the cut. Had they had at least five more it would've felt like an absolutely gargantuan game

>>6269490
Look at the picture you absolute moron. Or am I being baited this hard?

>>6269926
There are a few toads, but it's supposed to feel barren. They've all been trapped in the paintings, remember? I do wish the ending would've shown more of the castle being back to normal, although the cartridge space was probably limited enough already.

>>6267673
What? I just dislike parts of a video game you happen to like. Calm down.

>>6267537
>autistically fantastic control

The number 1 reason people complain about Mario is because of his fucking movement, specifically with the joystick and certain actions depending on his level of momentum.

>>6273034
>makes angsty contrarian shitpost
>tells others to calm down
wew lad

>>6273420
What? I just said I disliked an electronic toy. Calm down.

>>6273052
look at speedrunners they eat that shit up

>>6273452
>Gets excited because people laugh at his angsty contrarian shitpost
>tells others to calm down
wew lad

>>6273541
What about my post is angsty or contrarian? This should be good.
>uh uh you didn't like a game I like

soul

>>6273569
>aside from the autistically fantastic control this thing is just so fucking bare holy shit

>>6267551
you're incapable of nuanced thought, you're literally made for controlling by others

>>6273759
>nuanced thought

>>6273868
i dunno about this one chief

>>6273656
not him but you should look up what the word "angsty" actually means. he's not being contrarian either

>>6271465
why are you in a thread about a game you didn't play?

>>6274047
>not him but i'll white knight for him by implying you don't know the meaning of a word i don't know the meaning of
Sounds legit and totally not retarded

>>6274169
why post if you have absolutely nothing to say? have you looked up what angsty means yet? it describes you more than anyone else itt

>>6273612

>>6268849
Damn, why did they do this? Worst of all is that the creatures are less creepy and spooky. I hate that. The eel and loch ness monster guy gave me such spooks as a kid, the new ones would not so much. Sad.

>>6269457
That's beautiful.

>>6275724
I think you answered your own question.

I don't totally hate the redesigns of the creatures personally, the biggest loss in my eyes is the freaky colors on Bowser in the final battle, and the terrible shade of green they used for grass. Speaking purely about the visuals anyway.

>>6275724
>muh spooky low poly abominations! le based!
retarded. they changed it because it’s what they would have looked like originally if the developers had enough experience with 3D modelling/if the hardware would accommodate it.
‘waaah they changed my nostalgic game to greater reflect the artwork’ just play the original then

>>6276303
any proof to back that claim up?

>>6275724
I don't get what's "spooky" about a plesiosaur, outside of the semi-realistic style that clashed with the game.

>>6276550
Actually, looking back at it, he's kinda dopey and silly looking. How were kids "spooked" by this?

>>6276528
what proof do you need, midwit? it’s common sense

>>6276303
>they changed it because it’s what they would have looked like...
If the original team were talentless hacks

>>6276554
so you're just making shit up then

>>6276553
I think a lot of younger kids who were too young to read/didn’t bother reading star names encountered it unexpectedly and assumed it was an enemy that could eat you

>>6276560
nah I’m describing reality, it’s hilarious that you retards actually think they sat around and went ‘ok we need to make these models SPOOKY so they have SOUL and scare little kids haha it will be epic’ and weren’t just doing the best they could with relatively new tech

>>6276558
case in point

>>6276570
It's hilarious that you think intention is relevant

>>6276576
it’s exceptionally relevant when someone asks ‘why did they change this’ you fucking nincompoop

>>6276581
*It's hilarious that you think intention dictates merit

>>6276550
>>6276553
Big creature in the water that you might not even notice at first that moves slowly and is designed in such a way where you're not even sure if it's an enemy or not.

>>6276585
where did I say that? i’m saying if you prefer the low poly original go play it and stop asking reddit ‘UGH, what were they thinking? they ruined MUH SOUL!’ questions

>>6276570
>I have no facts to back my claim up so I'll just start strawmanning
go back to /v/, please

>>6276642
again, my ‘claim’ as you put it is just common sense. i’m trying to get you to use your critical thinking skills but it appears you are devoid. no wonder then that you are so attached to the crude aesthetics of a video game from your childhood, which with any luck should end any time now.

>>6276684
still no evidence

>>6276596
They butchered the remake in almost every way possible. Sorry if any mention of that fact hurts your feelings

>>6276687
>no evidence that sm64 was an early 3D platformer, the first n64 game, had limited options for polygon modelling, used tech that was new to everyone who worked on it, etc etc etc
okay retardo

>>6268849
what the fuck lmao, I didn't read what I was looking at and thought I was looking at a comparison to beta

whoever took the cool shades off of Bubba is an absolute nigger

>>6276693
again, I never said I like the remake better. my feelings aren’t the ones at stake here.

>>6276694
>moving the goal posts
you were arguing that the artstyle for the ds remake would have been the artstyle of the orignal game if they had the tech to do it
you're words, exactly, were
>they changed it because it’s what they would have looked like originally if the developers had enough experience with 3D modelling/if the hardware would accommodate it.
you haven't proven this. instead you've just been repeating "common sense!" and "critical thinking!" (which aren't the same thing, btw) in between insults.

>>6276698
>I never said
You didn't have to

>>6276705
because it is common sense, and you would reach the answer using critical thinking if you were capable. the post you are replying to doesn’t attempt to move goalposts at all, it simply reiterated what has already been said.
if the question is ‘why did they change the models?’ the answer is obviously ‘because they wanted them to look more like mario characters’. if the question is ‘why didn’t they look like mario characters before?’ the answer is obviously ‘hardware limitations’
i’d hope you’ll one day stop being so retarded, but midwittery is eternal.

>>6276709
retard

>>6276726
>the fish wore sunglasses in the original game because of hardware limitations
proof?

>>6276731
>the fish wore sunglasses in the original game because it was BASED and had SOUL
proof?

>>6276736
you're so angrily obsessed with memes that you're ignoring how they changed a chunk of the game's aesthetic. It isn't a graphical update, it's a reskin. Just because it's clearly your favorite version doesn't mean other people have to like it. cope

>>6276740
>uses muh strawman muh goalpost deflection words
>argues against something i didn't say for some reason
i've utterly done you in

another thread i've conquered

>>6276743
you've been deflecting this whole thread. prove that the redesigns were what the games developers always intended the game to look. until you do that all you're doing is bumping the thread and handing out (you)s
also, no one gets this desperate and angry about people criticizing something unless they're really fond of that thing. you clearly have an emotional connection to the remake, and I'm not the first itt to notice.

>>6276752
>desperate and angry about people criticizing something
proof? i'm just calling out reddit faggots who cry over things getting revamped because MUH NOSTALGIO NOOOOO when they can literally just play the original game
the DS version fucking blows but the characters and enemies undeniably look better

>>6276759
>the characters and enemies undeniably look better
Nah, much worse. Terribly done

>>6276763
do you have any proof to back up your claim?

>>6276764
Yep, the games

>>6276759
you're still ignoring the point, and getting this shrill about people not liking the redesigns (which you argued were just graphical updates until a few posts ago) undermines you're whole "I don't like the remake but..." schtick

>>6276771
do you have any proof to back up your claim?

>>6276779
yeah, this thread
reread it
once again, you said that bubba, the fish with the sunglasses in the original game, was always intended to look like a regular cheep-cheep, like he does in the remake, but didn't originally because of technical limitations.
you're claim, not mine.
If you prove this, then you will have "utterly done me in". It's an easily provable claim to, you just need a quote or a piece of concept art. easy peasy

>>6276743

i've won the thread

>>6276795
>>6276791
>>6276789
>>6276779
>>6276771
>>6276763
>>6276759
>>6276752
>>6276743
>>6276740
>>6276736
>>6276731
>>6276727
these are all by the same guy

>>6276806
wow you're a perceptive genius

I don't get it, last time I played the game it had a lot of levels.

>>6276817
I think he means that there's a lot of empty space in those levels.
Relative to what I don't know

>>6275724
I agree with your point but I fucking despise the spooky meme

>>6273052
If they suck and have carpal tunnel maybe.

>>6276806