/vr/ - Retro Games

Aged like milk.

Nothing 'went wrong', it's merely a product of its time and the technical limitations of that period. Yeah the gameplay is repetitive and the level design is labyrinthine, but there was no groundwork laid prior to development to indicate what worked and what didn't for the genre. Wolf 3D is still enjoyable in short bursts of play, but becomes tiresome after a while.

It's a great shooter and anyone that disagrees is a dumb dumb

>>6263840
>>6263848
I was talking about the direction the license took compared to the First games

>>6263858
What? They're fine. New Colossus confused a lot of people by being too subtle with its enormous tie-in to the whole Metal Gear conspiracy thing maybe. But I'm sure it holds up on its own merits as long as you're switched-on enough to dig into its own plot even a little.

>>6263832
Wasn’t as fun as doom

What went wrong? I'll tell you what went wrong.

B.J. Blazkowicz got captured by the Nazis and got thrown into a dark dungeon. That's what went wrong.

Luckily he managed to kill a Nazi guard and start his escape. He's a tough guy. He can make it.

I would kinda love if they went back to basics.
Bust out of a cell, steal a uniform and solid snake around the place like the original concept. Nothing but a single big castle, like the first Arkham Asylum game or whatever. But more dogfood-eating and shanking innocent german farmboys with sharpened spoons.
Maybe a crazy nazi zombie lab in the basement. But you know what? not mandatory.

>>6263858
Those games are not retro though. But I will admit Old Blood was the last good game.

>>6263958
I think he was talking about the first two games that were top down stealth games ala Metal Gear before the third game became one of the first FPS games ever and far more popular to a point where many people believe the franchise started with Wolfenstein 3D.

released a sequel with germans speaking english

>>6263858
Return to Castle Wolfenstein was a great game

>>6264581
Were we the Nazis all along?

funniest way to kill nazis.
"Meine Liebe!" still cracks me after all these years.

>>6264008
Fuck these guys

>template thread

Please just put effort into it next time.

>>6263832
Nothing went wrong. Wolf3D is amazing.

>>6263837
ur ass

>>6263837
Aged my ass
I'm playing it for the first time right now and having a blast.
It's kicking my teeth in, as I have no experience with old school shooters, but I'm having a fun time.

>>6267529
Wolfenstein 3D does have some appeal, it wouldn't be a hit if it wasn't somehow enjoyable.
Doom came out just a year later and made it look incredibly plain and barebones in comparison, but there's something about the simplistic pseudo-arcade gameplay cartoony graphics which are just very appealing.
My suggested way of playing is to do like one level a day, that way you'll not tire yourself out doing multiple of the more long winding ones.

If you're all new to oldschool shooters, and Wolfenstein 3D is amazing to you, you should check out not just Doom, Quake, Half-Life, and Duke Nukem 3D, games considered immortal classics, but you should also check out Rise Of The Triad, because it's as if Wolfenstein 3D lost its goddamn mind, and it's amazing.

>>6267538
>Doom came out just a year later and made it look incredibly plain and barebones in comparison
That makes sense, I kinda guessed that's more what he meant.
But still, barebones and simple doesn't exactly mean bad, yeah.
Something about it's simplistic but solid maze crawling and resource management really catches my interest.

>you should check out not just Doom, Quake, Half-Life, and Duke Nukem 3D
Already played Half-life, but yup, i'm planning on playing all of them too.
>but you should also check out Rise Of The Triad, because it's as if Wolfenstein 3D lost its goddamn mind, and it's amazing.
Nice, i'll give it a play as well, thanks!

>>6267557
also heretic/hexxen

AIIIIE!

It's basically Gauntlet in first person and that style of game isn't as popular as it used to be

>>6263832
>What went wrong?
Your Mom didn't abort you.

>>6263858
Wolfenstein 3D: Let's make a game set in an interesting setting that just happens to have Nazis. No cut scenes. Pure game play.
NuWolfenstein: Let's make a vehicle for leftist propaganda, using Nazis as an allegory for our deranged idea of an Orange-Man-Bad world. And anyone who doesn't like this is a real life Nazi. Sprinkle in leftist memes such as LGBTQ, "diversity", and feminism. Make sure the focus is on the story and cinematics with game play as an after thought.

>>6267529
Maybe accept that you have bad taste?

>>6267538
this. Wolfenstein feels rudimentary, but it has its strengths.
another favorite old school shooter of mine is Pathways into Darkness. it too is rudimentary, but it has amazing atmosphere, and the way it weaves in storytelling/puzzle-solving was very well done.

>>6267563
heretic and especially Hexen are must-plays.

>>6267934
Only New Colossus (and maybe Young Blood, don't know much about that one) did this at all, and probably at the behest of Zenimax thinking it would be a great idea to capitalize on the political climate.

>>6267934
This didnt happen until New Colossus. New Order was pretty good and had the Nazis as badass and terrifying villains.

>>6263837
>>6263840
this desu, it's boring as fuck

the only highlight is the Hitler boss fight, I powered through that slog just to get there and dropped the game afterwards

>>6264008
Holy shit, I just started Episode 2, what the fuck is with these guys?
They're hiding around almost every corner, shoot instantly on sight, and can 3 shot in you a second if you can't react fast enough.
They can't even be hit stunned fast enough with the pistol to not take damage.
I got a game over on floor 2, how am I supposed to deal with them?

>>6263832
I dislike when games have secrets that are impossible to find outside of brute forcing. Some secrets in Wolf3d have clues like object placement but many don't
Otherwise, I don't have any other outstanding issues with it.

Can I play the old Doom and Wolfenstein titles with vertical mouse movement too? Is such a feature included in Steam or GOG re-releases of these games or do I need to install some mods?

Lack of head-bob made it nauseating to me, even back in the day. I'd feel sick after a few levels. Never had that with Doom.

>>6269773
Wolfenstein 3D on steam has vertical mouse movement on by default actually, and swapping out DOSbox for ECWolf gives you more options to customize your controls
Can't speak for any other titles, but if Wolf3D has it, i'd imagine the rest and the Doom games have it too.

>>6269773
Chocolate Doom (a source port) has vertical mouse movement. Steam DOSBox Doom probably has it as well, I dunno.

>>6269560
get good. also, fire shots into rooms you cant fully see and you should be able to tell whos in there from sound alone. also get good

This and Blake Stone are my jam.

>>6263837
You have to go back.

>>6267940
kys doomnigger

>>6270279
Motherfucking Blake stone

>>6270217
Yeah, getting good and learning the map partially by trial and error seemed to work.
It seems only some of them shoot instantly on sight too.
I've beaten Episode 2 now, but they still really fucking hurt.

>>6270279
I cannot go back. As opposed to popular belief, I have gone black. Therefore, I am forbidden from going back.

>>6270506
Wolf3D but enemies don't get stunlocked; shit's hardcore.

>>6267934
So you mean:

jews

They gave the franchise to Swedish cucks

>>6267934

are you sure you're not just a nazi

>>6272129
Don't use that word. Use the actual word that was used, not the fake word.

And yeah, he's right, the new Wolfenstien game really is so despicably Western and prog that in many ways, I am glad it exposed people to just how fucked up and juvenile the premise of this game is when you take it seriously or try to make a serious point out of it.

>>6272139
I'll still contend that New Order had a good balance going on those points, and they fucked up everything with New Colossus.

>>6272139
>Use the actual word that was used, not the fake word.

uh oh this is already getting weird

I'm not gonna debate it with people who couldn't figure this out themselves, but the plot of New Colossus was a total trojan horse and not on the simplistic way idiots itt have characterized it.

The game is about brainwashing (you're meant to figure this out on your own) and all the woke shit was misdirection.

>>6267934
lmao this

>>6272170
Explain it for us simians.

>>6263858
The 'Wolfenstein' trademark or the engine? because that engine also got used like a cheap hooker as well.

>>6264708
Shouldn't that count as /vr/ now? It's been old enough to vote for like a year now.

>>6273119
No, because fatasses start screaming if a game which is older than half the posters on this board, and genuinely plays like a late 90s shooter, could ever be discussed here.

>>6272170
Thanks for coming to our retro board to explain your mental gymnastics about a libtard movie game being based all along. We now 100% believe you're not a total cuck for enjoying it.

>>6272170
That's nice reddit, but not /vr/. >>>/v/

compared to Doom, Wolf didn't have a solid formula that was iconic in the original going forward like Dooms moshpit-combat with the distinctive enemy types, weapons and level structure. Wolf always experimented between stealthy combat going back and forth between more action and more stealth/exploration.

Id should have ironed out RtcW more and stuck with that gameplay, while New Blood was excellent it went from that to a Farcry clone and now to idk wtf it is.

>>6273609
>Wolf always experimented between stealthy combat going back and forth between more action and more stealth/exploration
True - the detection/alert mechanics were ahead of their time and trip people up who think it's gonna be a run and gun type of game.

>>6263832
>basic bitch weapons
>ground level floors and repetitive textures make navigation a nightmare
>no dedicated strafe button
>collecting treasure for points that do nothing
I won't belittle its historical importance but man is it primitive

>>6272170
>it w-was a m-m-misdirection gaiz, believe me...
>n-no one could p-possibly be that cucky...

>>6273609
I thought RtCW was quite ironed out as it was. What do you think they should have done better?