/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6255870
it’s pretty good

>>6255870
hella good

it is fantastic, one has to read though, so if youre american better play street fighter

>>6255958
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>>6256039
I'm downloading it, what are some essential mods to play it? Just to fix errors or make it widescreen, etc.

>>6255870
It's a pseudo-walking sim. If you're going into it expecting something like Baldur's Gate, or Fallout, or Icewind Dale, or Arcanum, you'll be disappointed. If you go into it exclusively for the story, you'll probably enjoy it.
>>6256058
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=planescape+torment+pcgw

>>6255870
For a video game, it has above average writing. The characters are fairly fleshed out and in many instances aren't disjointed from the overarching storyline, so imagine a polar opposite of a setpiece shooter like Icewind Dale 2.

That said, having a hilarious side-kick as a character and an amnesia isn't particularly high-brow. A bunch of verbose lore dump doesn't outweigh that by much, and the gameplay sure is godawful for an IE game.

>>6256058
Use a trainer like Tome of Cheats so you don't have to waste time on low level combat shit.

>>6256172
>for an IE game
Not a high bar to set anyhow

>>6256039
what are you going on about? The game was made in America for Americans. Quit trying to act special.

>>6256039
The game sucks and Americans don’t play SF you moron

>>6256058
The EE version fixes that stuff, adds fast forward or at least faster movement, adds highlightable objects, etc. And there's no shitty add-on characters or anything like with BG:EE

>>6256253
The combat's not bad at all. It's a little boring, but there's not too much of it and it's serviceable, just too east. All the high level spells are fun to use. It's not as good as Baldur's Gate, sure, but it's better than 99% of the jrpg's these faggots play anyway.

>>6256738
>for Americans.
Oh wow. The arrogance. Classic cowboy.

>>6256862
This. The fighting serves it's purpose and infinitely better than all the fucking faggot gookpg that's posted here

>>6256997
Pot, meet kettle.

>>6256039
O B S E S S E D

>>6256997
>say dumb shit
>get corrected
>WHY ARE YOU ACTING ARROGANT

You’re pretty stupid.

>>6258016
You corrected nothing. It's a game made for American audiences with mind, and only distributed and localized as an afterthought to maximize profits. Scraps thrown for dumb yuropoors, except since it happened in the software world, you are lucky enough to enjoy an untouched product.

>>6255870
If you approach it as a VN, it's great.
If you treat it as anything else, it's a borefest.
And it's not even about the amount of reading (have any of you played any game that have been released in past 15 years?), but the fact how boring the game by itself is.

>>6256058
Just get the enhanced edition.

Might as well ask here instead of making a new thread.

I'd like to play classic rpgs, the ones I'm at least initially interested in are fallout 1 and 2, baldur gates 1 and 2 and planescape torment. I have not really played western rpgs, have never played a fallout game and the closest to dungeons and dragons I have played was one session of the 5th edition of the game.

What I'd like to ask is what would be a good order to play the games, especifically which one should I play first to get "initiated" and enjoy the most of it.
I was thinking of playing planescape torment first, is that a good choice or should I play something else first?

>>6258718
Who gives a shit, go with what appeals to you the most
There is no good orderz you can play them all, you can drop some of them after 10 minutes and come back to it months or years later and find then great, you can start the list and get stuck playing one of them several times and modding it because you find it amazing
Playing games, or getting into any piece of art or entertainment only to check them off a list is pretty dumb. Just play them and enjoy them or not for what they are

>>6258718
Fallout 1 would be the best place to start for a balanced first impression of the genre.

>>6255870
Not my favorite RPG, but a high ranking one.

>>6256172
>For a video game, it has above average writing.

This is like saying that for an animal, blue whales are above average size.

>>6259429
That is correct, yes.

>>6255870
A great story, If you liked Disco Elysium you would love it
I would say another contender would be Nwn2 expansion Mask of the Betrayer. Imho an underrated game, it has a very interesting story and companions.
Funny how Obsidian had some failings while developing nwn2 so the main campaign is meh tier, but they more leeway and ''meh do whatever you wish'' attitude from the funders so they went wild and made the best rpg game of 2000s (yeah fite me).

What about this? This any good?
I got it in a Humble Bundle awhile ago, and I didn't realize it was a digital book at the time, and put it down.
Now I'm kinda wanting to play a book, and wondering if I should pick this back up or just play Planescape.

>>6259341
Not really tho
Infinity engine games are my favourite games ever, I find Fallout boring as fuck and I had a hard time forcing myself to slog through it and its shitty combat.
Point is, there is no good answer, just play whatever you want.

>>6260039
You were most assuredly playing it wrong.

>>6259653
its okay
its not as bad but not great either
Imho if you want planescapeesque game to play before planescape, Play Disco Elysium.

>>6259429
It's D&D based fiction where you find out you're actually a special snowflake, and therefore should go agape from amazement. Best it can be described is above average. Plenty of adventure games with better stories/writing, The Longest Journey or Siberia being notable examples.

>>6259429
Planescapefags are so cringe. Read an actual book once in your life you pseuds.

>>6260501
Go back to /lit/, elitistard.

>>6256039
Are you trying to insult America by claiming it's a burger thing to play games that require quick reflexes and have a high skill ceiling?
2/10, sad attempt dude

>>6260501
Planescape is better than most published books of the last 50 years. Probably better than 99% of it.
Most authors go through collegiate programs, like the MFA, and become stale hacks who turn their noses up at genre fiction and limit their talent. It also indoctrinates them into a very stale, subjectivist, and postmodern worldview in regards to morals and human nature, whereas the greats like Homer, John Milton, or Dante had a very transcendentally deep view of things.
Some genuinely talented writers have filtered out of this and gone elsewhere, like video games.

>>6259602
>Comparing meme elyseum to PST
Other than being heavy on text walking simulators with skill checks, they are miles appart

>>6260501
I've read hundreds of books and Planescape: Torment has good writing compared to most of them. It has some of the best writing ever for video games.

>>6260261
>Plenty of adventure games with better stories/writing, The Longest Journey or Siberia being notable examples.

Thanks for giving examples, I wish more people on /v/ and /vr/ would give examples of games they consider better when bashing great games so I can immediately disregard their opinion.

>>6256172
>the gameplay sure is godawful for an IE game.
Huh? You mean 'because it's an IE game', yeah? Because the gameplay isn't any different.

>>6261606
It's different in a way that prevents you from using any hotkeys for spells and other things, and instead you have to use that abysmal UI with the mouse. You are also vastly limited with classes to choose from, and the spells are underwhelming.

>>6261173
This guy gets it

>>6261602
I wish they could also explain their shit instead of name dropping a couple examples and fucking off like angry children
Barely any better than just the retarded opinion

>>6261606
Yeah it is.

>>6261602
By all means, do. Just don't forget you're part of a stale meme a bunch of dumbfucks clung to that PST is some kind of literary masterpiece when the pacing is all over the place, due to, you know, it being a fucking western RPG, and the whole nature is man thing is thoroughly without substance because it's all based on some retarded D&D power fantasy.

>>6260261
This

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>>6261596
>I read my mom's Harlequins and played bunch of SNES platformers
ftfy

It filters /v/tards.

>>6256039
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>>6256997
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>>6260501
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>>6262147

Go step in the The Lady's shadow.

>>6262050
Congratulations, you are illiterate.

I haven't really finished this game so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I didn't found the game to be THAT interesting or good, it's not bad, but the gameplay in general was really boring.
The "roleplaying" also felt pretty forced, it's like they really didn't want to have it in their game, but had to because it's a wrpg, they should have just made a VN.

It's not a bad game at all, specially if you play it on it's own terms, but it's really not the masterpiece a lot of people say it is.

>>6259653
If you are gonna play Planetscape anyway, don't make same mistake as me and don't go into STR build, particulary max STR build. It may make few fights at the beginning bit easier, but the whole game is actually reading/clicking thru a story and low INT and CHA has rly few and shit options.

>>6262627
Did you mean to reply to someone else?

>>6256115
why are you lying.

>>6256172
Just say it has amazing writing it's okay to circle jerk if it's right.

>>6262628
nope, you said, you may play Planetscape Torment in the future, so I said my advice. Why do you think this isn't for you?

>>6262642
There's nothing amazing about it. It's not philosophy, just a slightly more interesting interactive story packaged as a game.

>>6256039
So many angry American replies

You'll know if you like this game within the first hour of playing, so download it and make your own opinion.

Also, don't hype up cult classics like this. Most people aren't going to like this game, people looking for a specific type of game are going to love it.

>>6263949
so much this

>>6263949
>>6264420
samefag

>>6264443
You wish, but that's how dumb you come off when you cream yourself over how supposedly good this game is. You step into actual philosophy territory, authors like Sartre, Kant, and so on, and you start looking like a clown.

It's a game with a decent story, but nothing else. Shit-tier gameplay makes it less fun than the other Inf Engine games that have less tryhard writing, but more engaging gameplay.

Now this is a game that could stand to be remade.

It looks ugly, it badly needs editing, its battle system needs improving, and its battle animations need replacing (with shorter ones). But it's pretty good at heart. If it weren't coated in several thick layers of crap it might be excellent.

Oh and it needs to either drop its use of the Sigil setting or let you actually go through more than a couple of all those alleged doors the city is allegedly full of. Giving the player freedom would disrupt the Extremely Important Story of course so it'd probably be better just to drop it. It's not like accurately representing Planescape canon really matters. But having a million doors to other worlds in a video game and then never letting the player choose a few to step through is aesthetically criminal.