/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6246015
Not at all since it's true

>>6246015
*blocks your path*

>>6246015

5 > Gaiden > 2 > 4 > 1 > 3

>>6246824
>3
You forgot to distinguish SNES and Arcade versions.

Also pleb list, 4 and 2 are the best in the series. 3AC is also unfairly hated on.

>>6246765
No Moai, no buy.

>>6246824
SNES 3 is one of my favorite games of all time, but that's because the nostalgia goggles are strapped on so tight they might s well be a part of my head. Why is 3 on SNES so poorly received? because of the slowdown? If i'm being honest, I like it because i'm bad a vidya so it gives me a few seconds to plan a route through the BS.

>>6247002
>because of the slowdown?
yup. It runs at basically half speed the whole time.

>>6247003
you can play 3sfc with no slowdowns now, although it makes the game too hard at times, thanks to the sa-1 hack.
same goes for 3ac, on ps2 change options to "no wait" for no slowdowns.

>>6247031
Arcade 3 on the Gradius Collection is fucking tough. I can usually get to at least the third boss in SNES, but getting thought the desert in Arcade is a crapshoot.

>>6247031
SNES without slowdown is perfectly playable, Arcade is madness unless you turn down the difficulty too.

>>6247038
There's a lot of BS that the SNES port removed. The first stage is just the tip of it.

>>6246978
What do you like about 4? I thought 4 was considered a redundant piece of garbage because of bad music and poor stage design.

>>6247792
best moai level, best volcano level, best tentacle level, deepest rank system, fair checkpoints, cool jazzy soundtrack, what more could you even want?
most ppl just hate on g4 cuz they got filtered by the bubble/crystal level.

>>6247002
I recently replayed it on MiSTer with the turbo CPU option, with no slowdown the game is definitely more enjoyable.

There needs a Super Robot Wars like shmup game with some or most of the best shooters out there.

I was fall in love when i meet this game in 1997.

>>6246765
Firm agree, even though it’s not /vr/

>>6247792
It's considered so by idiots who parrot others without playing. 4 has great weapons, level design and the best balancing in the series thanks to reworked rank, some great intense levels. And it's tough without having any bullshit, unlike 3. And despite some ugly bits the game looks great especially with increased resolution, it makes everything really clean and crisp.

>>6249942
>4 has great weapons
The hell it does. There's a reason everyone who plays the game uses vertical mine and only vertical mine. Even Gradius 1 has better weapon variety since people actually equip the double and laser in that game.

>>6249970
They made armor piercing shit to balance vertical mine being so strong, ya dingas.
And there are other loadouts that are also viable, notably 2 and 6.
I miss having an Edit Mode, but I understand why they removed it.

>>6249970
No they don't the fuck lmao, people use 2 way missiles and the torpedoes instead of the vertical mine all the time not that it matters since the bombs are the most fun weapon in the series on their own

>>6249970
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJSHaqK4mc4
This guy even did it with the standard ground missile for god know what reason, granted it's using the small hitbox setting but still

>>6246765
>several lame unskippable cutscenes
>Hitoshi Sakimoto sucks at doing music
>overpowered options: freeze/directional
>can disable checkpoints, a Gradius staple
>too many insipidly grey mechanical stages
>lacks classic organic enemies, e.g. Moais
>last level is a lazy repeat of stage 2
>1x1 hitbox to appease the danmakucks
>takes 90+ minutes just to loop it
>less load-out variety than III

Gradius V was a fucking mistake.

>>6246765
>several lame unskippable cutscenes
>Hitoshi Sakimoto sucks at doing music
>overpowered options: freeze/directional
>can disable checkpoints, a Gradius staple
>too many insipidly grey mechanical stages
>lacks classic organic enemies, e.g. Moais
>last level is a lazy repeat of stage 2
>1x1 hitbox to appease the danmakucks
>takes 90+ minutes just to loop it
>less load-out variety than III

Gradius V was a mistake. Fuck Trashure.

how is gradius rebirth ?

>>6250330
>>takes 90+ minutes just to loop it
This is the biggest offense. G5, RType Final, Raiden V all pulled this shit and it completely ruins the game.

>>6250330
>Hitoshi Sakimoto sucks at doing music

i knew /vr/ was too pleb to even handle basic bitch techno

>>6250330
>>Hitoshi Sakimoto sucks at doing music
>orchestral dark electronic music stops.
Trash taste, fucking filtered. Pleb tier post.

>>6251942
techno is for gay mdma-using untermensch

>>6250330
>moai
>organic
>trashure
Ah, it's you.

>>6251942
don't lump all of /vr/ with this schizo.
he's been bitching about treasure and "no moai" for years.

>>6250330
V is my favorite Gradius but I'm with you on the cutscene thing.

>>6252269

that must be a very popular line with the ladies

>>6251263
It's ok, nothing remarkable about it at all except maybe the music remixes but it's not bad either. Worst of the 3 Rebirth games

>>6246015
That's not Border Down though

>>6252569
Border Down is an arcade game that was later released on the dreamcast, it wasn't made for home consoles. Strania was the one that was made for consoles

>>6252582
But isn't the Naomi basically just a Dreamcast anyways?

>>6252710
More or less but it's not about the hardware but the format itself, neogeo was a home system too yet all the games were made to be played in the arcades.

>>6252710
>isn't the Naomi basically just a Dreamcast
No, that's just an objectively false coping mechanism used by Sega console owners. Anyone can look up photos of the internal hardware of both platforms and see the difference. The NAOMI had more advanced hardware and the Dreamcast ports were inferior because the Dreamcast hardware couldn't accurately replicate the original versions of the games. Sega added some gimmicks to the home console releases so Segatards could cope, but it was a failure because even the fanbase could see it wasn't arcade perfect so it didn't sell well and it was Sega's last console release because it was such a failure.

>>6252146
Suckimoto's shit is uninspired, forgettable, and belongs in jarpig garbage, not Arcade action games.

>>6250330
>Hitoshi Sakimoto sucks at doing music
Wow I didn't know it was possible to have taste this bad

>>6253082
Based actually

>>6246978
I agree.
Salamander 2 is also great.

>>6246015
For me, it's Phalanx.

Parodius > Gradius

>>6246015
What about Thunder Force IV? Or Pop N Twinbee? Those are pretty strong games.

>>6252863
Pretty sure you're the only one coping here.

>>6246015
Pretty good, but it is hard to choose one to be the greatest even when restricted to console only shooting games. There's Recca and Crisis Force for the Famicom, Thunder Force 4 and Musha Aleste for the Mega Drive, Gate of Thunder and Soldier Blade for the PC-Engine, Thunder Force 5 for the Saturn, Einhander for the Playstation ... I could keep going. Gradius Gaiden and 5 are pretty great though. There are a lot of great ones for the arcade, and don't count out PC either. I have no idea if there is one that is supreme over all others, as there's so much greatness to enjoy.

>>6255651
>no Sexy Parodius
Lad...

>>6255875
It's somewhere around here. I've gone and lost it amongst all the other arcade ports. Could you help me find it.

>>6254315
nah. fuck those twinbee bells, fuck the roulette power-up bullshit and most importantly, FUCK ANIME.

>>6256424
Yeah, it's right there in front of you...

>>6256424
Saturn really was Shitty Ports: The Console, huh...

>>6257115
yea except Radiant and Soukyugurentai that run like trash on mame you better just emulate all those games

>>6257647
souky runs fine for me on mame

silvergun is best played on 360

I got to the last boss today and it got me thinking, why are these games so underrated and disliked? They're not really that bad...if you can overlook the generic music, no stories, short length, etc
They usually have really good sprite work and fast gameplay. oh well

btw why do so many shmup threads get deleted here? is there a problem?

>>6259415
Jarpigs (whom the mods side with) can't handle the shmupchad bantz.

>>6259415
>generic music
>generic music
>generic music
This shit is worse than jarpig shitposting, stop listening to DDP's crap soundtrack and look at the rest of the genre

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jztb7OlOLK8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvo4FJiKA7w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B67kzPR3Gtk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-oD6JfqSEs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s6I3hBmhWU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOLme91dh6U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDdPz_itl-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AldIERbaoE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZVOsSh7cOM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9s14DxTjM4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcSmBMQMK2g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jQgU4orrV8

fuuuuuuuck 4 is so hard bros

think i'll go back to gayden

>>6259415
I always mute shmup music and listen to my own playlists desu.

Cherry picking aside shmups don't focus on music, graphics or presentation so all have p weak OSTs. Specially if you're used to high quality stuff from Castlevania, Street Fighter or Final Fantasy.

>>6261232

>>6247038
Desert is still relaxing experience. But that fire stage with undestroyable fireballs, that horrible cube stage , that 3d stage that's just unfun tech demo, and last stage which forces you to memorize the moving ceilings and thus forcing you to play game through multiple times just to get through the stage, are probably most horrible experiences I have had with any game. Arcade Gradius 3 is easily worst game of the series, which strange considering the fact that patched snes Gradius 3 is one of the best.

>>6248395
Gameplay of 4 is great, bosses are fun, and I really like graphics too. But I don't like the fact that outside liquid metal stage, there isn't really any new kind of stages. All others are stages, that we have seen in previous Gradiuses. Previous Gradius, Gaiden added lot of new like snow stage, garbage stage, black hole stage, and first organic/alien stage that actually seemed like alive. Sure I won't skip 4, when I play all Gradiuses every few years, but I just hoped that they could have been bit more creative with it.

>>6250330
>several lame unskippable cutscenes
There's two, and they take like few seconds.

>last level is a lazy repeat of stage 2
The whole last level is Gradius V's incarnation of the easy final boss. You've beaten already the actual final level with all those bosses, and now just travel back in time to destroy half of the brain, you destroyed earlier. I thought it was quite creative solution. Would you have preferred just that same boss brain being there at end of previous level instead of the time gate? Why?

>lacks classic organic enemies, e.g. Moais
To be fair I was already getting sick of moais. There's that organic stage though.

>>6261232
>I always mute shmup music and listen to my own playlists desu.
hey that's a good idea thanks

>>6246015
i preffer gradius advance nowadays but gaiden used to be my favorite shmup of all time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CINd4mzUqoc

>>6261745
the music in advance is insultingly bad

i only like the first air battle and stage 2 because it sounds like a remix of challenger 1985

>>6261632
>There's that organic stage though.
yeah, ONE cell level, while all the others are Core-themed. fuck that shit.

>>6259874
pretty good list...

...but...

...you gotta throw in some gdarius bullshit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FEdlAL3bX0

>>6246015
the NES version of pic related is my favorite game of all time

My favorite and most played will be Katakis onC64

>>6264886
It’s an amazing game. I bought Zanac X Zanac for the PS1 because of it but the NES version is still far superior.

Is pic related actually any good? It looks phenomenal, but how does it actually play?

>>6264886
Compile was only good when the proto-Raizing team was making their games. Change my mind.

>>6250330
>literally the Highway Men* of shmups
This is bait to keep your thread going right?
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Highwaymen_(country_supergroup)

>>6250330
Also Edit mode has to be unlocked and it's the only way to use the Ripple laser.

WHAT WERE THEY THINKIIIIING

>>6267608
>Edit mode has to be unlocked and it's the only way to use the Ripple laser.
And also the traditional forward shield.

>>6261232
>>6261232
>I always mute shmup music and listen to my own playlists desu.

Suddenly I can enjoy Psikyo shmups. Weird

>>6267612
Does anyone actually use the gear shields? Force Field is so much better.

Super Cobra is underrated af.

For me, it's gotta be Recca.

>>6271596
based console-warring developers

>>6250330
Based & Moaipilled.

>>6246824
>4 > 2 > 3 Arcade > 1 > Gaiden > 3 SNES > ReBirth > 5

fixed for you lad.

>>6273419
>muh treasure hateboner

>>6257101
Fortunately there are ports of various Parodius games everywhere. Bound to stumble upon it somewhere.

>>6257115
I actually like the Sega Saturn. I think the ports are well made and play great. It is sort of like an extension of what was so great about the PC-Engine. I think I would reserve the "Shitty Ports: The Console" moniker to either a Tiger Electronics device or Atari 2600.

why does it seem like people generally prefer vertical shooters over horizontal? Do they just hate hazards?

>>6274802
Brainlets can't handle landscapes in addition to bullets.

>>6274407
Needs moar Cho Aniki.

>>6274802
all the best shmups happen to be vertical. no one really cares about vert vs hori arguments and nonsense. It's just the way it is.

>>6274802
Because all the good hori developers stopped making games, so they got outpaced by verticals that never stopped evolving. People generally prefer more modern games, so when a modern horizontal shooter comes out they play it, look at Devil Engine, Natsuki Chronicle or even Dezatopia.

>>6275789
>no one really cares about vert vs hori arguments and nonsense.
this. it's really about dadshit vs. tranmaku.

>>6275846
>virgin scorer
>virgin
>scoring

>>6275886
>scoring systems
i sleep
>reaching 10th loop
REAL SHIT?